The official $92.05 is Too much Thread

JonnyPistachio

drsluggo wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

And personally I think it is ludicrous to imagine complaining about paying each guy in the band $5 and hour to play the best music I have ever heard! Especially when we pay $40 to fill our tanks, $80 to talk on a phone, $50 to wander the silly internets, etc... It just seems silly when people justify that it's too expensive becasue Ed didnt like big corporations 12 years ago or he has evolved into an annoying rockstar. I say it's time to live in the Present, not the past.

OK... this one I have to disagree with. I have no problem paying each member in the band $15 for a ticket (including boom I suppose w/ service fees). But... you're paying $15 * 15-20,000 people. So that analogy its really between $225K and 300K per member.

I realize that does NOT include crew, equipment, promotion, etc, etc, etc. I get that - but that analogy is not a great one to try and show ticket prices are not inflated.

Also - their merch prices are kind of insane these days are they not - and they make that on top of tickets? I actually have more a problem with that than I do the ticket prices - especially considering the quality of some of the shirts lately.

Ok, I just think it is a different way of looking at it that justifys it very easliy. And like you said, that is not even considering ALL other expenses. It's just another perspective from the individual consumer, and it seems CHEAP that way (to me at least).

I will agree with you on the merch. I never buy any of it though. I just dont need it. I'm a simpleton though... I dont need posters, t-shirts or reminders tha tI saw an incredible concert...just the bootleg maybe

EasyE

This thread is great.

One byproduct of high ticket prices is high audience expectations. If this thread is any indication, the crowds for this tour may be a bit more demanding. It's also possible that the band elevates its game because they are charging more and (I hope) making more.

This East Coast Backspacer tour seems to have generated more interest among casual fans. The prices are higher and longtime fans are expecting more. It's on.

hopethatuchoke

satansbed wrote:

its completely pearl jams fault price have gone up

How???? It's their tickets! They have always fought to have control over everything. If they had the power to have cheap tickets in the 90's, why would they sudden;y not have that power when they are free of a record company? They are setting the prices. Geeze would some of you just accept the fact that they are money hungry?? It's so ridiculous.

stranger34

CantKeepmedown wrote:

stranger34 wrote:

Green Day with AFI $20 cheap seats. amazing...

Absolutely.

It's amazing that people would pay $20 to see Green Day and AFI

came out to $36 after charges

in their own unique way AFI's live show is up there with PJ's. two completely different animals though

Blockhead

Lets all take a look at what Tim Robbins said in Lance Mercers 5x1 book. I am sure when everybody read that they all nodded their heads in agreement and thought "thats why I like this band".
For those of you who don't have the book, this is what he said -

Things I like about Pearl Jam:
They are consistently excellent live.
They don't gouge their fans at the box office.
Great poster art and T-shirts.
We weon't be hearing Evenflow in advertisements for cars.,
Hair conditioner, or feminine hygiene products.
They support indie bands.
They don't do cheese.
Nof of them golfs regularly.
They play through injuries.
When you play their albums backwards you hear Howard
Zinn reading Peaples history of the United States.
When i tried to get them to drink after-hours on tour, they cared enough
about their audience the next night to
go to their rooms and sleep.
No flash pots.

hopethatuchoke

HeidiJam wrote:

Lets all take a look at what Tim Robbins said in Lance Mercers 5x1 book. I am sure when everybody read that they all nodded their heads in agreement and thought "thats why I like this band".
For those of you who don't have the book, this is what he said -

Things I like about Pearl Jam:
They are consistently excellent live.
They don't gouge their fans at the box office.
Great poster art and T-shirts.
We weon't be hearing Evenflow in advertisements for cars.,
Hair conditioner, or feminine hygiene products.
They support indie bands.
They don't do cheese.
Nof of them golfs regularly.
They play through injuries.
When you play their albums backwards you hear Howard
Zinn reading Peaples history of the United States.
When i tried to get them to drink after-hours on tour, they cared enough
about their audience the next night to
go to their rooms and sleep.
No flash pots.

So within 2-3 years they started gouging their fans and selling to commercials. At least we still have howard zinn backwards

cincybearcat

hopethatuchoke wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Lets all take a look at what Tim Robbins said in Lance Mercers 5x1 book. I am sure when everybody read that they all nodded their heads in agreement and thought "thats why I like this band".
For those of you who don't have the book, this is what he said -

Things I like about Pearl Jam:
They are consistently excellent live.
They don't gouge their fans at the box office.
Great poster art and T-shirts.
We weon't be hearing Evenflow in advertisements for cars.,
Hair conditioner, or feminine hygiene products.
They support indie bands.
They don't do cheese.
Nof of them golfs regularly.
They play through injuries.
When you play their albums backwards you hear Howard
Zinn reading Peaples history of the United States.
When i tried to get them to drink after-hours on tour, they cared enough
about their audience the next night to
go to their rooms and sleep.
No flash pots.

So within 2-3 years they started gouging their fans and selling to commercials. At least we still have howard zinn backwards

But he did die.

stranger34

hopethatuchoke wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Lets all take a look at what Tim Robbins said in Lance Mercers 5x1 book. I am sure when everybody read that they all nodded their heads in agreement and thought "thats why I like this band".
For those of you who don't have the book, this is what he said -

Things I like about Pearl Jam:
They are consistently excellent live.
They don't gouge their fans at the box office.
Great poster art and T-shirts.
We weon't be hearing Evenflow in advertisements for cars.,
Hair conditioner, or feminine hygiene products.
They support indie bands.
They don't do cheese.
Nof of them golfs regularly.
They play through injuries.
When you play their albums backwards you hear Howard
Zinn reading Peaples history of the United States.
When i tried to get them to drink after-hours on tour, they cared enough
about their audience the next night to
go to their rooms and sleep.
No flash pots.

So within 2-3 years they started gouging their fans and selling to commercials. At least we still have howard zinn backwards

Ed also openly admits til drinking really late nights before shows, not that there's anything wrong with that - it did produce unthought known

DewieCox

stranger34 wrote:

hopethatuchoke wrote:

HeidiJam wrote:

Lets all take a look at what Tim Robbins said in Lance Mercers 5x1 book. I am sure when everybody read that they all nodded their heads in agreement and thought "thats why I like this band".
For those of you who don't have the book, this is what he said -

Things I like about Pearl Jam:
They are consistently excellent live.
They don't gouge their fans at the box office.
Great poster art and T-shirts.
We weon't be hearing Evenflow in advertisements for cars.,
Hair conditioner, or feminine hygiene products.
They support indie bands.
They don't do cheese.
Nof of them golfs regularly.
They play through injuries.
When you play their albums backwards you hear Howard
Zinn reading Peaples history of the United States.
When i tried to get them to drink after-hours on tour, they cared enough
about their audience the next night to
go to their rooms and sleep.
No flash pots.

So within 2-3 years they started gouging their fans and selling to commercials. At least we still have howard zinn backwards

Ed also openly admits til drinking really late nights before shows, not that there's anything wrong with that - it did produce unthought known

What song did PJ give to a commercial?

And writing UK was a good thing? Ed should go to bed on time if he write crap like that when he's up late.

stranger34

There are tolerable shouts from the crowd, to which Ed says maybe later they’ll have “a little question and answer”. Someone asks “What are you drinking?” and he tells a story about drinking a lot the night before and coming up with a new song at 5AM that day. He uses a few analogies – “fruit that’s not yet ripe and “pants that need to be hemmed” – and plays a new song listed as “Unthought Known” on the setlist (three verses, three choruses) with one chorus repeating “Nothing left…”

satansbed

hopethatuchoke wrote:

satansbed wrote:

its completely pearl jams fault price have gone up

How???? It's their tickets! They have always fought to have control over everything. If they had the power to have cheap tickets in the 90's, why would they sudden;y not have that power when they are free of a record company? They are setting the prices. Geeze would some of you just accept the fact that they are money hungry?? It's so ridiculous.

youll need a bit more proof than your opinion to go calling things like that a fact

cincybearcat

satansbed wrote:

hopethatuchoke wrote:

satansbed wrote:

its completely pearl jams fault price have gone up

How???? It's their tickets! They have always fought to have control over everything. If they had the power to have cheap tickets in the 90's, why would they sudden;y not have that power when they are free of a record company? They are setting the prices. Geeze would some of you just accept the fact that they are money hungry?? It's so ridiculous.

youll need a bit more proof than your opinion to go calling things like that a fact

Proof?

Well...let's look back to history for our answer:

2003:
Tickets for indoor shows were $77-$80...for 2 tickets ; so let's use $40/ticket
Tickets to outdoor shows were about $98....again for 2 tix ; so let's use $50/ticket

Those were terrific prices for 2003. Using this conversion http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

$40 in 2003 has the same buying power as $47 today
$50 in 2003 has the same buying power as $59 today

2005:
Tix about $117/pair or $59/ticket (approx. 20% increase in 2 years)

$59 in 2005 has the same buying power as about $65.50 today

2006:
Tix cost about $118/pair so still $59/ticket (still 20% increase over 3 years)

$59 in 2006 has the same buying power as about $63.42 today

2009:
Tix cost about $148/pair or $74/ticket (48% increase over 6 years ; 25% increase over 3 years)

$74 in 2009 has the same buying power as about $74.74 today

2010:
Tix cost $150-173/pair...or $75-86 ticket, roughly equal to 2009. (still 48% increase over 7 years ; 25% over 4 years for lowest ticket price)

I think in order to keep the mantra of low ticket prices and access for many, PJ should look to set ticket prices at the 2010 buying power equivalent of the 2003 tickets. $50-$60 depending on the venue. That would show their commitment to low ticket prices for sure. All those prices are after all fees. I don't know what portion of each is fees so I can't separate that out and it might show a bit of a different picture.

Like I said, I'll keep buying tickets and the market could certainly bear a higher price, but you can "brag" about Pearl Jam's low ticket prices and how they take care of the fans (in that way anyhow). Getting the best seats in the house is a huge advantage though that makes swallowing the ticket price increases that much easier.

hopethatuchoke

DewieCox wrote:

What song did PJ give to a commercial?

I saw a thread that people heard an Into the Wild song on a commercial a few weeks ago. And back in 2006 Severed Hand was in a Honda commercial. Plus although not exactly the same...the Fixer was in a Target commercial.

EDIT: Deadliest Catch. I could swear there was a product commercial as well but I could be wrong.

hopethatuchoke

satansbed wrote:

hopethatuchoke wrote:

satansbed wrote:

its completely pearl jams fault price have gone up

How???? It's their tickets! They have always fought to have control over everything. If they had the power to have cheap tickets in the 90's, why would they sudden;y not have that power when they are free of a record company? They are setting the prices. Geeze would some of you just accept the fact that they are money hungry?? It's so ridiculous.

youll need a bit more proof than your opinion to go calling things like that a fact

it's not proof, it's common sense. Bands that play absolutely have control over ticket prices. You are delusional if you think otherwise. I remember reading on Metallica's site before their tour last year..."WE decided to keep tickets at the same price they were in 2004". So you think a band like Pearl Jam, who fought to control their master tapes, is just allowing someone else to set prices for them and NO other bands do that? Please.

hopethatuchoke

cincybearcat wrote:

Proof?

Well...let's look back to history for our answer:

2003:
Tickets for indoor shows were $77-$80...for 2 tickets ; so let's use $40/ticket
Tickets to outdoor shows were about $98....again for 2 tix ; so let's use $50/ticket

Those were terrific prices for 2003. Using this conversion http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

$40 in 2003 has the same buying power as $47 today
$50 in 2003 has the same buying power as $59 today

2005:
Tix about $117/pair or $59/ticket (approx. 20% increase in 2 years)

$59 in 2005 has the same buying power as about $65.50 today

2006:
Tix cost about $118/pair so still $59/ticket (still 20% increase over 3 years)

$59 in 2006 has the same buying power as about $63.42 today

2009:
Tix cost about $148/pair or $74/ticket (48% increase over 6 years ; 25% increase over 3 years)

$74 in 2009 has the same buying power as about $74.74 today

2010:
Tix cost $150-173/pair...or $75-86 ticket, roughly equal to 2009. (still 48% increase over 7 years ; 25% over 4 years for lowest ticket price)

I think in order to keep the mantra of low ticket prices and access for many, PJ should look to set ticket prices at the 2010 buying power equivalent of the 2003 tickets. $50-$60 depending on the venue. That would show their commitment to low ticket prices for sure. All those prices are after all fees. I don't know what portion of each is fees so I can't separate that out and it might show a bit of a different picture.

Like I said, I'll keep buying tickets and the market could certainly bear a higher price, but you can "brag" about Pearl Jam's low ticket prices and how they take care of the fans (in that way anyhow). Getting the best seats in the house is a huge advantage though that makes swallowing the ticket price increases that much easier.

FANTASTIC stats and "proof" but unfortunately some people around here refuse to acknowledge truth and reality.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i wonder if they even realize it.

slightofjeff

cincybearcat wrote:

I think in order to keep the mantra of low ticket prices and access for many, PJ should look to set ticket prices at the 2010 buying power equivalent of the 2003 tickets. $50-$60 depending on the venue. That would show their commitment to low ticket prices for sure. All those prices are after all fees. I don't know what portion of each is fees so I can't separate that out and it might show a bit of a different picture.

Like I said, I'll keep buying tickets and the market could certainly bear a higher price, but you can "brag" about Pearl Jam's low ticket prices and how they take care of the fans (in that way anyhow). Getting the best seats in the house is a huge advantage though that makes swallowing the ticket price increases that much easier.

Here's the thing people don't seem to be getting: Pearl Jam is not the "low-ticket prices" band anymore. They don't claim to be. I can't remember the last time I've heard any member of the band talking about a commitment to keeping prices low.

So I don't know why we should expect them to.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

slightofjeff wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I think in order to keep the mantra of low ticket prices and access for many, PJ should look to set ticket prices at the 2010 buying power equivalent of the 2003 tickets. $50-$60 depending on the venue. That would show their commitment to low ticket prices for sure. All those prices are after all fees. I don't know what portion of each is fees so I can't separate that out and it might show a bit of a different picture.

Like I said, I'll keep buying tickets and the market could certainly bear a higher price, but you can "brag" about Pearl Jam's low ticket prices and how they take care of the fans (in that way anyhow). Getting the best seats in the house is a huge advantage though that makes swallowing the ticket price increases that much easier.

Here's the thing people don't seem to be getting: Pearl Jam is not the "low-ticket prices" band anymore. They don't claim to be. I can't remember the last time I've heard any member of the band talking about a commitment to keeping prices low.

So I don't know why we should expect them to.

thats true. i dont think they should be forced to have the same opinions after 20 years. changing one's mind is not hypocracy.

JonnyPistachio

hopethatuchoke wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Proof?

Well...let's look back to history for our answer:

2003:
Tickets for indoor shows were $77-$80...for 2 tickets ; so let's use $40/ticket
Tickets to outdoor shows were about $98....again for 2 tix ; so let's use $50/ticket

Those were terrific prices for 2003. Using this conversion http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

$40 in 2003 has the same buying power as $47 today
$50 in 2003 has the same buying power as $59 today

2005:
Tix about $117/pair or $59/ticket (approx. 20% increase in 2 years)

$59 in 2005 has the same buying power as about $65.50 today

2006:
Tix cost about $118/pair so still $59/ticket (still 20% increase over 3 years)

$59 in 2006 has the same buying power as about $63.42 today

2009:
Tix cost about $148/pair or $74/ticket (48% increase over 6 years ; 25% increase over 3 years)

$74 in 2009 has the same buying power as about $74.74 today

2010:
Tix cost $150-173/pair...or $75-86 ticket, roughly equal to 2009. (still 48% increase over 7 years ; 25% over 4 years for lowest ticket price)

I think in order to keep the mantra of low ticket prices and access for many, PJ should look to set ticket prices at the 2010 buying power equivalent of the 2003 tickets. $50-$60 depending on the venue. That would show their commitment to low ticket prices for sure. All those prices are after all fees. I don't know what portion of each is fees so I can't separate that out and it might show a bit of a different picture.

Like I said, I'll keep buying tickets and the market could certainly bear a higher price, but you can "brag" about Pearl Jam's low ticket prices and how they take care of the fans (in that way anyhow). Getting the best seats in the house is a huge advantage though that makes swallowing the ticket price increases that much easier.

FANTASTIC stats and "proof" but unfortunately some people around here refuse to acknowledge truth and reality.

I thought it was obvious that nobody was denying that prices have risen. I think you might have taken satensbeds comments out of context. When I first read it, I thought he was responding to the statement that you said PJ was MONEY HUNGRY, and that they had control over setting their prices. I think what satansbed and I have been saying all along is that we simply dont know all the facts as to why ticket prices have risen. And we dont, so THAT is not fact.

I have said all along that I hope they keep rising becasue the people that continuously bitch might take the high road, then I have a better chance at better seats. It's like some people around here cannot be pleased and just like to come back with complete negativity.

Bottom line, if it's not worth it to you, don't go. I'm not trying to be a dick, but if you continously come down on something, it really must not be worth it, so why waste your time and live such a negative existence? :roll:

cincybearcat

slightofjeff wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

I think in order to keep the mantra of low ticket prices and access for many, PJ should look to set ticket prices at the 2010 buying power equivalent of the 2003 tickets. $50-$60 depending on the venue. That would show their commitment to low ticket prices for sure. All those prices are after all fees. I don't know what portion of each is fees so I can't separate that out and it might show a bit of a different picture.

Like I said, I'll keep buying tickets and the market could certainly bear a higher price, but you can "brag" about Pearl Jam's low ticket prices and how they take care of the fans (in that way anyhow). Getting the best seats in the house is a huge advantage though that makes swallowing the ticket price increases that much easier.

Here's the thing people don't seem to be getting: Pearl Jam is not the "low-ticket prices" band anymore. They don't claim to be. I can't remember the last time I've heard any member of the band talking about a commitment to keeping prices low.

So I don't know why we should expect them to.

I think so people are getting confused. Some fans are keeping this mantra alive...pretending it's the truth. I'm just saying it isn't the truth.