I seriously can´t stand them. Way too bombastic arrangements and the songs are hardly there.
Also cannot listen to more than one song at a time because of that voice....
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Their lyrics seem very basic, uncomplicated and bland, particularly when comparing them to Radiohead or PJ.
have you listened to Backspacer?
I'm not saying that the words "gems and rhinestones" are a little cheesy, but the lyrics of The End, lyrics and lyrical timing and originality of Johnny Guitar, and a few other songs are amazing! ...though The Fixer, yeah, pretty-pop. But their pop-stuff seems not intended to fool anyone into thinking they are very deep. Muse's does to me. Like they want to say something, but they have nothing to say.
disagree....the black holes album is their best in my opinion
powerful stuff on there....
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Your opinion. Until I have seen Muse live I'm not in the position to agree or disagree with you. I like Muse's music, and have 3 of their cds. Fascinated to see how they reproduce what they come up with on record live on stage. Surely they use other musicians as well as themselves? I've heard mixed reports about them live, but would like to see them in the future. Prefer PJs music though.
me as well....but for three little guys they produce a wall of sound
I would say that they use sequencers & backing tracks.
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The correct answer is Wilco , but I saw Muse open for U2 and they were awesome. The only questionable vibe I get from them is whether they mix up their setlist during the tour that much. I hope I'm wrong but with the kind of show they put on it seems like it might not change much from night to night.
Anyone seen them on back-to-back nights or familar enough with their setlists to shed some light on this?
The correct answer is Wilco , but I saw Muse open for U2 and they were awesome. The only questionable vibe I get from them is whether they mix up their setlist during the tour that much. I hope I'm wrong but with the kind of show they put on it seems like it might not change much from night to night.
Anyone seen them on back-to-back nights or familar enough with their setlists to shed some light on this?
I would guess that they are like U2 and have a very firm setlist....
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I saw Muse open for U2, it was basically just an incredibly loud , not clear wall of undesirable noise!!
As good as PJ live, you have got to be kidding me.
I agree with you (saw them open up for U2 at Giant Stadium) -- ok, but nothing special. Decent for a warm-up band, but i wouldnt pay to see them as a headliner.
Muse can be a fun band to see but they arent in the same league as pearl jam. Any band that uses as many prercorded elements and is synced to a click track like muse cant be compared to PJ. I have to agree about wilco though, those guys really are an incredibly talented band
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I saw Muse on the Absolution tour in 03 and it was an incredible show second to none as far as sound quality and visuals go but as that side of the band continues to get better on each tour the two albums since have been utter shite! REM, Tom Waits, Sonic Youth were all much better live than Muse and I'm sure PJ in June will join them in that bracket. Muse pretty much stick to the same setlist for the entire leg of a tour with only one or two songs getting rotated and no big jams either which is lame for three guys with so much talent. :?
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Wait, I dont come around these boards much anymore, but when did the "Backspacer has simple lyrics" discussion come into play? Am I missing something, cause I just dont see it. What makes that album the poster child of this opinion?
None of their albums have ever really had complicated lyrics. Or is it because the album is a tad bit poppier, that this is the excuse all the "cool" fans are using to reinforce that they dont like the new album.
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I have trouble believing anyone who saw Muse live really believes they suck. They are just a phenomenal live act! I was converted after seeing them at Penn's Landing for the Black Holes tour. The FU Center show last week was just fantastic.
As far as being as good as PJ live... Well, they definitely put on more of an overall show, especially with lights, effects, lasers, etc., whereas PJ is a more stripped down concert experience. But I think it would get pretty repetitive to see Muse, say, 4x in a row, like you do with PJ. You're gonna know what's coming up in the setlist in all likelihood. And while Muse has some really great songs, they don't have anything to pull out along the likes of Black, Immortality, Corduroy...
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this was the same thought i had when i saw Arcade Fire and White Stripes.
Both of these are better than PJ live...
That's not me slagging PJ off, I just find the other 2 were more fantastic as a live entities
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I have trouble believing anyone who saw Muse live really believes they suck. They are just a phenomenal live act! I was converted after seeing them at Penn's Landing for the Black Holes tour. The FU Center show last week was just fantastic.
As far as being as good as PJ live... Well, they definitely put on more of an overall show, especially with lights, effects, lasers, etc., whereas PJ is a more stripped down concert experience. But I think it would get pretty repetitive to see Muse, say, 4x in a row, like you do with PJ. You're gonna know what's coming up in the setlist in all likelihood. And while Muse has some really great songs, they don't have anything to pull out along the likes of Black, Immortality, Corduroy...
yep
two different bands....I like Muse but they don't really compare to PJ....there is no comparison to PJ in my opinion
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I have trouble believing anyone who saw Muse live really believes they suck. They are just a phenomenal live act! I was converted after seeing them at Penn's Landing for the Black Holes tour. The FU Center show last week was just fantastic.
As far as being as good as PJ live... Well, they definitely put on more of an overall show, especially with lights, effects, lasers, etc., whereas PJ is a more stripped down concert experience. But I think it would get pretty repetitive to see Muse, say, 4x in a row, like you do with PJ. You're gonna know what's coming up in the setlist in all likelihood. And while Muse has some really great songs, they don't have anything to pull out along the likes of Black, Immortality, Corduroy...
ive seen them live and i wouldnt say they suck, but they definitely arent what i'd call a "live band". A heavy reliance on backing tracks (guitars, sequenced parts, loops ....i cant say vocals b/c that im not sure about, but i have read they use pre-recorded back up vocals) really makes their performance sound lifeless. yes they sound tight as hell, but thats what happens when you're locked to a click track. Now im not a muse hater by any stretch, but I find it a bit annoying when people claim their live show to be amazing. Its absolutely a great SHOW, but its not a great live performance.
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They are my #2 band. I'm going to see them in vegas next month and could not be more excited!! They are fantastic live. Very different experience than seeing PJ for sure but i love love love them both!
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matt bellamy owns the guitar. eddie.... doesn't
just to watch matt play is reason enough to say muse is an awesome live act. everyone on here who's questioning this thread saying that muse isn't 20 years into their career, muse' lyrics aren't as deep as eddie's... blah blah blah.. if you actually read the title to this thread, he's comparing them by their live performances.
trust me, it's not that hard to believe that another band is as good as pearl jam on stage.
My problem with Muse is i can't stand their music. Fake dramatic to me. I just can't buy into their thing
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how the fuck do you dare compare the two ive seen muse and they are in no way the same league .
ive also got the chance to see them again at Glastonbury in June BUT i shall be else where. :P
im just a little gutted that pj are playing either side of the festi and am hoping they or Eddie may pop in on Saturday to do a little something
the only explanation i can think of for your view is you must be a philistine old son :twisted:
matt bellamy owns the guitar. eddie.... doesn't
just to watch matt play is reason enough to say muse is an awesome live act. everyone on here who's questioning this thread saying that muse isn't 20 years into their career, muse' lyrics aren't as deep as eddie's... blah blah blah.. if you actually read the title to this thread, he's comparing them by their live performances.
trust me, it's not that hard to believe that another band is as good as pearl jam on stage.
Saw them as an opener for the Chilli Peppers back in 2000, thought they were pretty boring live.
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Also cannot listen to more than one song at a time because of that voice....
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disagree....the black holes album is their best in my opinion
powerful stuff on there....
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As good as PJ live, you have got to be kidding me.
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Anyone seen them on back-to-back nights or familar enough with their setlists to shed some light on this?
I would guess that they are like U2 and have a very firm setlist....
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I agree with you (saw them open up for U2 at Giant Stadium) -- ok, but nothing special. Decent for a warm-up band, but i wouldnt pay to see them as a headliner.
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yeah Sawyer.....that's A-Muse-ing!!......there is only one problem...MUSE FUCKING SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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None of their albums have ever really had complicated lyrics. Or is it because the album is a tad bit poppier, that this is the excuse all the "cool" fans are using to reinforce that they dont like the new album.
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The only truth I know is you.
As far as being as good as PJ live... Well, they definitely put on more of an overall show, especially with lights, effects, lasers, etc., whereas PJ is a more stripped down concert experience. But I think it would get pretty repetitive to see Muse, say, 4x in a row, like you do with PJ. You're gonna know what's coming up in the setlist in all likelihood. And while Muse has some really great songs, they don't have anything to pull out along the likes of Black, Immortality, Corduroy...
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Both of these are better than PJ live...
That's not me slagging PJ off, I just find the other 2 were more fantastic as a live entities
yep
two different bands....I like Muse but they don't really compare to PJ....there is no comparison to PJ in my opinion
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ive seen them live and i wouldnt say they suck, but they definitely arent what i'd call a "live band". A heavy reliance on backing tracks (guitars, sequenced parts, loops ....i cant say vocals b/c that im not sure about, but i have read they use pre-recorded back up vocals) really makes their performance sound lifeless. yes they sound tight as hell, but thats what happens when you're locked to a click track. Now im not a muse hater by any stretch, but I find it a bit annoying when people claim their live show to be amazing. Its absolutely a great SHOW, but its not a great live performance.
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Black Crowes
David Gilmour
Velvet Revolver
Rush
All of them were as good as PJ when I seen them
just to watch matt play is reason enough to say muse is an awesome live act. everyone on here who's questioning this thread saying that muse isn't 20 years into their career, muse' lyrics aren't as deep as eddie's... blah blah blah.. if you actually read the title to this thread, he's comparing them by their live performances.
trust me, it's not that hard to believe that another band is as good as pearl jam on stage.
My problem with Muse is i can't stand their music. Fake dramatic to me. I just can't buy into their thing
ive also got the chance to see them again at Glastonbury in June BUT i shall be else where. :P
im just a little gutted that pj are playing either side of the festi and am hoping they or Eddie may pop in on Saturday to do a little something
the only explanation i can think of for your view is you must be a philistine old son :twisted:
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