Time change. Again.

PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

I can't recall a single time that the spring time change has had a negative effect on me.
The thought of living my life by a schedule strict enough that deviating by a single hour causes distress is almost enough to make me sick lol
The biggest negative effect the time change has on my life is the people I hear bitching about it hahaha.

For me it's all about sleep. I've got chronic insomnia, so yeah, 1 hour difference really matters to people like me who have sleep disorders. Otherwise, I can't see why it would bug anyone... but studies to indicate that it makes a difference. It is true that car accidents increase noticeably on the Monday following the time change. Interestingly, this is true in both spring and fall.

Does the clock really have that much impact on your insomnia?

It's not that it makes the insomnia itself worse. It's that a person with insomnia is already on the brink of insanity because they can't fall asleep in a timely manner and therefore cannot get anywhere near enough sleep. With the spring forward, that just makes it that much more impossible to fall asleep early enough to get a human amount of sleep before having to wake up for work (or just for your own broken inner clock) ... When I'm only getting 3 - 5 hours of sleep a night because I can't fall asleep before 2 or 3am, uh, yeah, turning the clock ahead an hour has a horrible impact. It means I'm likely to only get 2 - 4 hours of sleep now, and for the next few days at least until I can adjust ... And when you're in that cycle you're already stretched as far as you can be, so 1 hour is massive.

PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

rgambs said:

I can't recall a single time that the spring time change has had a negative effect on me.
The thought of living my life by a schedule strict enough that deviating by a single hour causes distress is almost enough to make me sick lol
The biggest negative effect the time change has on my life is the people I hear bitching about it hahaha.

For me it's all about sleep. I've got chronic insomnia, so yeah, 1 hour difference really matters to people like me who have sleep disorders. Otherwise, I can't see why it would bug anyone... but studies to indicate that it makes a difference. It is true that car accidents increase noticeably on the Monday following the time change. Interestingly, this is true in both spring and fall.

Does the clock really have that much impact on your insomnia?

What i mean is that I had always heard that it was best for insomniacs not to pay much attention to clocks and bedtimes, but maybe that was bad info all along.
I'm a terrible sleeper, all sorts of issues, but I figured out how to beat them...work very hard on 5 hours of sleep and repeat forever lol
I used to be up to 3 or 4 trying to get to sleep, it turns out I just wasn't tired lol 
Now I get up and go to the gym at 4am and work out for a few hours before the world gets moving and come 10:30-11 I have no trouble getting right to sleep.

I think that is bad info just because it's impossible for almost everyone. I would love to not pay much attention to clocks and bedtimes, but I work. If you have to set your alarm and go to work in the morning, but your natural rhythm won't adjust to those kinds of hours like mine won't, then there is no option but to try and fall asleep as early as possible so that you can try and rest before 6:30 am rolls around. If I could quit my job and just sleep when it worked for me, I'm sure my insomnia would be greatly helped, because then I could sleep from 4am to noon, which is what my body really wants to do (and nothing will change that. Not hormone therapy, not a schedule, not drugs, not breathing exercises, nothing... I guess that's why it's called a disorder, lol).

Malroth

I lived in the part of indiana that didn't do daylight savings, but tv did, so every program was an hour off of when it used to be.

PJ_Soul

rgambs said:

F Me In The Brain said:

rgambs said:

F Me In The Brain said:

rgambs said:

I can't recall a single time that the spring time change has had a negative effect on me.
The thought of living my life by a schedule strict enough that deviating by a single hour causes distress is almost enough to make me sick lol
The biggest negative effect the time change has on my life is the people I hear bitching about it hahaha.

As you know when you have small kids that don't sleep it certainly makes zero difference what time it is when it comes to looking at sleep patterns.

I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not lol
My son is a terrible sleeper who's transitioning very slowly out of his daily nap.  

I just recall you sharing that you also have a 3 year old who....lives with a sleep schedule uniquely his own. 
(This was is response to me bitching about our 3 year old waking us up most nights & mornings.)

Yeah he's a pain in the ass lol

A big part of it though is my fault, I don't do the whole "bedtime routine" on a schedule thing.  I don't agree with some commonly held beliefs, like that kids need schedule and structure and discipline and all that.  I think it's parents who need that stuff, and my weirdo conspiracy theorist side thinks that those things originate in a system that was designed to create a population of factory workers that punch clocks, keep their heads down, and keep in line.
It's not a total hippy nightmare situation at my house lol but it's closer to that than the military style regimen that I see some people keeping.

I think it's just for the schedule that all kids have to keep in order to attend school....

tempo_n_groove

bootlegger10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

Changing the clocks is just non-sense anymore.

Truth!

It's so dumb now.  Please make it stop!!!

Don’t you want it to stay light out later in the Summer?

I want it to be light out in December at 430 PM.  The way it is right now is fine.  No more "fall back".

tempo_n_groove

HesCalledDyer said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think it's dumb for some places in the same country to not do it while others do. Everyone just needs to stick to the same plan. I don't really care if we do it or not, but it's got to be all or nothing. These little pockets that seem to drop it just out of spite really complicate things.

The reason part of Indiana didn't is because it splits two time zones, so they opted out to keep the entire state on the same time.  A bunch of counties in the western part of the state were moved from central to eastern time zone a few years back and when that occurred, the whole state opted in.

Same with Florida. Since it spans two time zones, they can opt in or out.  Why they'd want to opt in year round is beyond me. It's location pretty much guarantees uniform sunrises and sunsets year round already.  Hawai'i opts out for that exact reason.

As for Arizona, I think they just don't want the sun to still be out and have it be 100 degrees at 10pm.

It was 90' at midnight so it doesn't matter there in AZ...

PJ_Soul

tempo_n_groove said:

bootlegger10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

Changing the clocks is just non-sense anymore.

Truth!

It's so dumb now.  Please make it stop!!!

Don’t you want it to stay light out later in the Summer?

I want it to be light out in December at 430 PM.  The way it is right now is fine.  No more "fall back".

Same here. Yes, it's nice when there is still light at 5:00 in the evening. But I have no interest it in being light out at fucking 8 or 9 or 10pm. I hate that. I am a night person, and I am always really happy when the long days get shorter again. Plus, longer days = hotter days for longer. And to me, anything over about 20C is my idea of a living hell. Uuuggghhhhhh, summer is coming. It's the most horrible time of the year.

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

bootlegger10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

Changing the clocks is just non-sense anymore.

Truth!

It's so dumb now.  Please make it stop!!!

Don’t you want it to stay light out later in the Summer?

I want it to be light out in December at 430 PM.  The way it is right now is fine.  No more "fall back".

Same here. Yes, it's nice when there is still light at 5:00 in the evening. But I have no interest it in being light out at fucking 8 or 9 or 10pm. I hate that. I am a night person, and I am always really happy when the long days get shorter again. Plus, longer days = hotter days for longer. And to me, anything over about 20C is my idea of a living hell. Uuuggghhhhhh, summer is coming. It's the most horrible time of the year.

9 or 10?

Sunset in middle of the summer is like 8:30pm...

rgambs

On the flipside though, do you want it to be full daylight by 5-30am?  

PJ_Soul

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

bootlegger10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

Changing the clocks is just non-sense anymore.

Truth!

It's so dumb now.  Please make it stop!!!

Don’t you want it to stay light out later in the Summer?

I want it to be light out in December at 430 PM.  The way it is right now is fine.  No more "fall back".

Same here. Yes, it's nice when there is still light at 5:00 in the evening. But I have no interest it in being light out at fucking 8 or 9 or 10pm. I hate that. I am a night person, and I am always really happy when the long days get shorter again. Plus, longer days = hotter days for longer. And to me, anything over about 20C is my idea of a living hell. Uuuggghhhhhh, summer is coming. It's the most horrible time of the year.

9 or 10?

Sunset in middle of the summer is like 8:30pm...

I don't know where you live, but during the longer days where I am the sun sets well after 9pm, and it stays light long after that. Remember, the farther north you go the longer the days are in the summer.

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

bootlegger10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

Changing the clocks is just non-sense anymore.

Truth!

It's so dumb now.  Please make it stop!!!

Don’t you want it to stay light out later in the Summer?

I want it to be light out in December at 430 PM.  The way it is right now is fine.  No more "fall back".

Same here. Yes, it's nice when there is still light at 5:00 in the evening. But I have no interest it in being light out at fucking 8 or 9 or 10pm. I hate that. I am a night person, and I am always really happy when the long days get shorter again. Plus, longer days = hotter days for longer. And to me, anything over about 20C is my idea of a living hell. Uuuggghhhhhh, summer is coming. It's the most horrible time of the year.

9 or 10?

Sunset in middle of the summer is like 8:30pm...

I don't know where you live, but when the days are longest where I am are well after 9pm, and it stays light long after that. Remember, the farther north you go the longer the days are in the summer.

East coast. Maybe you should move?

PJ_Soul

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

bootlegger10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

Changing the clocks is just non-sense anymore.

Truth!

It's so dumb now.  Please make it stop!!!

Don’t you want it to stay light out later in the Summer?

I want it to be light out in December at 430 PM.  The way it is right now is fine.  No more "fall back".

Same here. Yes, it's nice when there is still light at 5:00 in the evening. But I have no interest it in being light out at fucking 8 or 9 or 10pm. I hate that. I am a night person, and I am always really happy when the long days get shorter again. Plus, longer days = hotter days for longer. And to me, anything over about 20C is my idea of a living hell. Uuuggghhhhhh, summer is coming. It's the most horrible time of the year.

9 or 10?

Sunset in middle of the summer is like 8:30pm...

I don't know where you live, but when the days are longest where I am are well after 9pm, and it stays light long after that. Remember, the farther north you go the longer the days are in the summer.

East coast. Maybe you should move?

I don't think this is about longitude!

rgambs

:rofl:

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

bootlegger10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

Changing the clocks is just non-sense anymore.

Truth!

It's so dumb now.  Please make it stop!!!

Don’t you want it to stay light out later in the Summer?

I want it to be light out in December at 430 PM.  The way it is right now is fine.  No more "fall back".

Same here. Yes, it's nice when there is still light at 5:00 in the evening. But I have no interest it in being light out at fucking 8 or 9 or 10pm. I hate that. I am a night person, and I am always really happy when the long days get shorter again. Plus, longer days = hotter days for longer. And to me, anything over about 20C is my idea of a living hell. Uuuggghhhhhh, summer is coming. It's the most horrible time of the year.

9 or 10?

Sunset in middle of the summer is like 8:30pm...

I don't know where you live, but when the days are longest where I am are well after 9pm, and it stays light long after that. Remember, the farther north you go the longer the days are in the summer.

East coast. Maybe you should move?

I don't think this is about longitude!

Ha....Philadelphia. Move to Philadelphia.

PJ_Soul

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

bootlegger10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

Changing the clocks is just non-sense anymore.

Truth!

It's so dumb now.  Please make it stop!!!

Don’t you want it to stay light out later in the Summer?

I want it to be light out in December at 430 PM.  The way it is right now is fine.  No more "fall back".

Same here. Yes, it's nice when there is still light at 5:00 in the evening. But I have no interest it in being light out at fucking 8 or 9 or 10pm. I hate that. I am a night person, and I am always really happy when the long days get shorter again. Plus, longer days = hotter days for longer. And to me, anything over about 20C is my idea of a living hell. Uuuggghhhhhh, summer is coming. It's the most horrible time of the year.

9 or 10?

Sunset in middle of the summer is like 8:30pm...

I don't know where you live, but when the days are longest where I am are well after 9pm, and it stays light long after that. Remember, the farther north you go the longer the days are in the summer.

East coast. Maybe you should move?

I don't think this is about longitude!

Ha....Philadelphia. Move to Philadelphia.

I actually had to check a map to see exactly how much further south Philly is than Vancouver.... Wow. A lot further south than I thought actually. You're well into California south shit there, haha. Of course, the problem with further south is that it's even hotter, longer days or no longer days, lol.

WhatYouTaughtMe

tempo_n_groove said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PJ_Soul said:

I think it's dumb for some places in the same country to not do it while others do. Everyone just needs to stick to the same plan. I don't really care if we do it or not, but it's got to be all or nothing. These little pockets that seem to drop it just out of spite really complicate things.

The reason part of Indiana didn't is because it splits two time zones, so they opted out to keep the entire state on the same time.  A bunch of counties in the western part of the state were moved from central to eastern time zone a few years back and when that occurred, the whole state opted in.

Same with Florida. Since it spans two time zones, they can opt in or out.  Why they'd want to opt in year round is beyond me. It's location pretty much guarantees uniform sunrises and sunsets year round already.  Hawai'i opts out for that exact reason.

As for Arizona, I think they just don't want the sun to still be out and have it be 100 degrees at 10pm.

It was 90' at midnight so it doesn't matter there in AZ...

Ain't that the fucking truth. 

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

tempo_n_groove said:

bootlegger10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

Changing the clocks is just non-sense anymore.

Truth!

It's so dumb now.  Please make it stop!!!

Don’t you want it to stay light out later in the Summer?

I want it to be light out in December at 430 PM.  The way it is right now is fine.  No more "fall back".

Same here. Yes, it's nice when there is still light at 5:00 in the evening. But I have no interest it in being light out at fucking 8 or 9 or 10pm. I hate that. I am a night person, and I am always really happy when the long days get shorter again. Plus, longer days = hotter days for longer. And to me, anything over about 20C is my idea of a living hell. Uuuggghhhhhh, summer is coming. It's the most horrible time of the year.

9 or 10?

Sunset in middle of the summer is like 8:30pm...

I don't know where you live, but when the days are longest where I am are well after 9pm, and it stays light long after that. Remember, the farther north you go the longer the days are in the summer.

East coast. Maybe you should move?

I don't think this is about longitude!

Ha....Philadelphia. Move to Philadelphia.

I actually had to check a map to see exactly how much further south Philly is than Vancouver.... Wow. A lot further south than I thought actually. You're well into California south shit there, haha. Of course, the problem with further south is that it's even hotter, longer days or no longer days, lol.

I mean, it gets hot for a month or two but nothing unbearable for a long stretch. Cali gets a lot hotter than it does around here. We probably average in the upper 80's in July. You should move here!

edit---just checked Vancouver weather. Didn't realize it stayed that cool in the summer there. Wow

brianlux

The Juggler said:

brianlux said:

The Juggler said:

Extra hour of sleep last night. Feeling refreshed!

How did you do that?  I'm impressed!  I got one hour less sleep.

When I got up this morning my wife (who is always up before I am) said, "Somebody stole an hour from my iPhone last night." 

What do you mean? I set my clocks back an hour like everyone else. 

Ah ha!  A true rebel.  I like it!  Everyone else springs forward, The Juggler says, "Screw that, I'm setting my clock back an hour." 

Now that is cool!

brianlux

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

  I hate springing forward.

You fall back in the Spring and spring forward in the Fall. It's easy to remember.

Easy for you young un's! Me?  I'm confused!

Shyner

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