I want to do what Chris Mccandless did...sort of

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  • Ms. Wes C.addle
    Ms. Wes C.addle Posts: 2,559
    Your opinion of what other people want doesn't make it fact - that isn't open mindedness. As IwasBit10 says above, there is no right or wrong way to live life - if you don't like what other people think that is fine, but it doesn't make you any righter than they are.

    I guess I don't understand the first sentence... My opinion really doesn't mean shit- I am aware. That doesn't mean that I can't see both sides of this topic or the wants and needs of life-fulfillment. Most people take to the role of dating, marriage, house, kids. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, IF they are happy. This is life. You only get one. If you feel that that road is not for you or think that you may have to veer off of that well-traveled path to better experience life, so be it. Few have the balls to act upon those feelings. Many people have bad feelings about their relationships and just choose to ignore it rather than to try to find a happier, more content realm of life.

    Life is what you make of it. We shouldn't live selfishly, but isn't fulfilling ANY of our wants/needs selfish behavior?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    dunkman wrote:
    I think Hunter S Thomson was an amazing person who lived a beautiful life... he still died by selfishly committing suicide...

    my point is that I believe he was a selfish person for disregarding the thoughts of others who cared and loved for him... i also think he was a moron for dying needlessly.

    its my opinion, why try and change it?

    it's not a matter of changing it - for the same reasons why you responded to my post - it's a discussion ... i so happen to not think he's a seflish arrogant moron ...

    again - are we supposed to live in accordance to those that love and care for us? ... shouldn't that love be a two-way street? ... if i lived by what my parents wanted - i'd be at home with them with a bunch of kids - am i selfish for wanting something different?

    everyone will die - but not everyone will live ... if not for some bad information from a field guide - chris would probably be with us today ...
  • Ms. Wes C.addle
    Ms. Wes C.addle Posts: 2,559
    the wolf wrote:
    ms. wes c.addle wrote:
    Why can't people understand that not everyone wants the boring, monotonous, inadequate life that so many others have chosen? A bit ignorant?

    Some people get off on routine, security, safety, unfulfilling relationships... Damn those that long for better, right?

    Is it not a bit ignorant to assume that what others have chosen is not boring, monotonous, or inadequate to those that have chosen it?

    I think assuming that is just as "ignorant" as me saying, that anyone who does what the op is speaking of is dumb for doing that. which btw , I never said.

    routine just means responsible for the most part. who don't want some sort of security ?
    Unfulfilling relationships ??? really ? Yeah, my relationship with my mother and sis and her husband and my nephews was/is soooooooooo unfulfiling. :roll:
    and that's my point, had I taken off to ... fucking where the fuck ever in my early 20's , i would not have what i have now in these VERY fulfilling relationships. So i would have missed things for having done that.

    to each their own, it's just not for me. But that does not make me any less "fulfilled" as a person then someone who backpacks across the country.
    yeah, cause that's what I said, huh?
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    ms. wes c.addle wrote:
    Your opinion of what other people want doesn't make it fact - that isn't open mindedness. As IwasBit10 says above, there is no right or wrong way to live life - if you don't like what other people think that is fine, but it doesn't make you any righter than they are.

    I guess I don't understand the first sentence... My opinion really doesn't mean shit- I am aware. That doesn't mean that I can't see both sides of this topic or the wants and needs of life-fulfillment. Most people take to the role of dating, marriage, house, kids. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, IF they are happy. This is life. You only get one. If you feel that that road is not for you or think that you may have to veer off of that well-traveled path to better experience life, so be it. Few have the balls to act upon those feelings. Many people have bad feelings about their relationships and just choose to ignore it rather than to try to find a happier, more content realm of life.

    Life is what you make of it. We shouldn't live selfishly, but isn't fulfilling ANY of our wants/needs selfish behavior?
    And that's fine. I'm just saying you can't call other people ignorant for their outlook on a way of life and then proceed to categorize their way of life (as perceived by you) as boring, monotonous, etc. That is how such a way of life would be to you, and that's you, which again is ok, but it's not the same perception for everyone.


    Anywho, carry on.
  • Ms. Wes C.addle
    Ms. Wes C.addle Posts: 2,559
    polaris_x wrote:
    again - are we supposed to live in accordance to those that love and care for us? ... shouldn't that love be a two-way street? ... if i lived by what my parents wanted - i'd be at home with them with a bunch of kids - am i selfish for wanting something different?
    everyone will die - but not everyone will live ...

    I think this is perfectly stated
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    ms. wes c.addle wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    again - are we supposed to live in accordance to those that love and care for us? ... shouldn't that love be a two-way street? ... if i lived by what my parents wanted - i'd be at home with them with a bunch of kids - am i selfish for wanting something different?
    everyone will die - but not everyone will live ...

    I think this is perfectly stated
    And there's nothing wrong with it, but what if that life is what someone wants, and that is living to them? Then that is living, despite what other people think of it.
  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    just take a map and call your family once a month.

    (that's the only thing i fault chris for)

    he could've took a map and ignored it, until that dire moment.
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  • the wolf
    the wolf Posts: 7,027
    ms. wes c.addle wrote:
    the wolf wrote:
    ms. wes c.addle wrote:
    Why can't people understand that not everyone wants the boring, monotonous, inadequate life that so many others have chosen? A bit ignorant?

    Some people get off on routine, security, safety, unfulfilling relationships... Damn those that long for better, right?

    Is it not a bit ignorant to assume that what others have chosen is not boring, monotonous, or inadequate to those that have chosen it?

    I think assuming that is just as "ignorant" as me saying, that anyone who does what the op is speaking of is dumb for doing that. which btw , I never said.

    routine just means responsible for the most part. who don't want some sort of security ?
    Unfulfilling relationships ??? really ? Yeah, my relationship with my mother and sis and her husband and my nephews was/is soooooooooo unfulfiling. :roll:
    and that's my point, had I taken off to ... fucking where the fuck ever in my early 20's , i would not have what i have now in these VERY fulfilling relationships. So i would have missed things for having done that.

    to each their own, it's just not for me. But that does not make me any less "fulfilled" as a person then someone who backpacks across the country.
    yeah, cause that's what I said, huh?

    well yeah, I quoted you. you did in fact say that.

    I find it funny that you use those words for someone who chooses not to go on some wild adventure, but yet
    others are wrong for calling Chris M. reckless and.... gasp, a bit moronic.

    lets face it, at least 75% of the people here would not have even cared about Chirs M. or seen the movie if EV had not done the soundtrack. So there is a connection between the two that cannot be denied.

    Yet EV wont go on tour for longer than 3 fucking weeks at a time anymore because he don't want to be away from his family.
    Hmmmm, I wonder how unfulfilled EV must be feeling right now... :roll:
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  • Ms. Wes C.addle
    Ms. Wes C.addle Posts: 2,559
    Rygar wrote:
    ms. wes c.addle wrote:
    Your opinion of what other people want doesn't make it fact - that isn't open mindedness. As IwasBit10 says above, there is no right or wrong way to live life - if you don't like what other people think that is fine, but it doesn't make you any righter than they are.

    I guess I don't understand the first sentence... My opinion really doesn't mean shit- I am aware. That doesn't mean that I can't see both sides of this topic or the wants and needs of life-fulfillment. Most people take to the role of dating, marriage, house, kids. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, IF they are happy. This is life. You only get one. If you feel that that road is not for you or think that you may have to veer off of that well-traveled path to better experience life, so be it. Few have the balls to act upon those feelings. Many people have bad feelings about their relationships and just choose to ignore it rather than to try to find a happier, more content realm of life.

    Life is what you make of it. We shouldn't live selfishly, but isn't fulfilling ANY of our wants/needs selfish behavior?
    And that's fine. I'm just saying you can't call other people ignorant for their outlook on a way of life and then proceed to categorize their way of life (as perceived by you) as boring, monotonous, etc. That is how such a way of life would be to you, and that's you, which again is ok, but it's not the same perception for everyone.


    Anywho, carry on.
    Yes. Its the absolute same. I was only making a point. I completely understood the words I had chose.
    As my actions are being called reckless or irresponsible... in the eyes of the beholder perhaps...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    I have read Into The Wild three times because I have wanted to respect this kid and I can't. He was a horrible person for putting his family through that anguish. A simple phone call would have helped them a whole fucking lot. Fulfill whatever needs you feel necessary but not at the expense of the ones that love you. His family life was not all that bad either so don't give me that shit. There are millions of kids living in much much much worse situations.

    He died because he was an arrorgant idiot and didn't listen to people. Simple as that. He was unprepared and he paid the price. And don't give me this shit about the field guide. He made mistake after mistake. It was only a matter of time.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    If you are serious, before jumping off the deep end I recommend spending several (like over 15) weekends roughing it and doing some week-long trips. Traveling seems simple but experience trumps everything. You need to learn basic survival skills because nature rarely gives you a second chance.

    not sure if this was directed at me ...

    but i am an experienced outdoors person ... i have my WFR and have been leading outdoor adventure trips for 10 years ...

    anyways - the guy survived an entire winter in alaska ... he had more than the basic survival skills - he just simply got bad information from a field guide - a mistake any seasoned survivalist could make ...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    ms. wes c.addle wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    again - are we supposed to live in accordance to those that love and care for us? ... shouldn't that love be a two-way street? ... if i lived by what my parents wanted - i'd be at home with them with a bunch of kids - am i selfish for wanting something different?
    everyone will die - but not everyone will live ...

    I think this is perfectly stated

    Does living mean putting the people that love you through fucking hell?
  • Rygar
    Rygar Posts: 8,711
    edited March 2010
    ms. wes c.addle wrote:
    Yes. Its the absolute same. I was only making a point. I completely understood the words I had chose.
    As my actions are being called reckless or irresponsible... in the eyes of the beholder perhaps...
    Sorry, missed the point the first time round.
    Post edited by Rygar on
  • eyedclaar
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    ms. wes c.addle wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    again - are we supposed to live in accordance to those that love and care for us? ... shouldn't that love be a two-way street? ... if i lived by what my parents wanted - i'd be at home with them with a bunch of kids - am i selfish for wanting something different?
    everyone will die - but not everyone will live ...

    I think this is perfectly stated

    Agreed. Also, this selfish talk really gets to me. My whole life has been spent doing reckless things, survival trips, whitewater, mountain climbing, etc., and I could have been killed a million times. Now, was my mom ever nervous about my lifestyle? Yeah, she was. Am I selfish for putting her through that? Not in my mind. Some people want to become astronauts, some people want to be soldiers, and all along the way family members wring their hands over the decisions of loved one, but like I already said, you have to live for yourself and do what makes you happy, not what makes your mom and dad or your siblings happy.
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  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    Does living mean putting the people that love you through fucking hell?

    do you forget what chris's parents did to him?

    sometimes people have crappy families, so yeah fuck em.
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  • Cliffy6745
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    blondieblue227 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    Does living mean putting the people that love you through fucking hell?

    do you forget what chris's parents did to him?

    sometimes people have crappy families, so yeah fuck em.

    Like I said in my other comment, his family life was not all that bad. There are millions of kids that are living in much much much worse situations.
  • eyedclaar
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    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Does living mean putting the people that love you through fucking hell?

    Sometimes. Absolutely yes.
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  • polaris_x
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    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I have read Into The Wild three times because I have wanted to respect this kid and I can't. He was a horrible person for putting his family through that anguish. A simple phone call would have helped them a whole fucking lot. Fulfill whatever needs you feel necessary but not at the expense of the ones that love you. His family life was not all that bad either so don't give me that shit. There are millions of kids living in much much much worse situations.

    He died because he was an arrorgant idiot and didn't listen to people. Simple as that. He was unprepared and he paid the price. And don't give me this shit about the field guide. He made mistake after mistake. It was only a matter of time.

    it's clear his sister doesn't see him as a horrible person and i think she would know him better than most people on here ...

    it's easy for us to judge the man but at the end of the day - we don't really know what was in his head ... people make mistakes every single day ... at least he was able to live the life he wanted - not many of us can truly say that ...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,036
    eyedclaar wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Does living mean putting the people that love you through fucking hell?

    Sometimes. Absolutely yes.

    Well that is awful then. I have too much respect for my loved ones to put them through hell.
  • the wolf
    the wolf Posts: 7,027
    eyedclaar wrote:

    Agreed. Also, this selfish talk really gets to me. My whole life has been spent doing reckless things, survival trips, whitewater, mountain climbing, etc., and I could have been killed a million times. Now, was my mom ever nervous about my lifestyle? Yeah, she was. Am I selfish for putting her through that? Not in my mind. Some people want to become astronauts, some people want to be soldiers, and all along the way family members wring their hands over the decisions of loved one, but like I already said, you have to live for yourself and do what makes you happy, not what makes your mom and dad or your siblings happy.

    I think what you have done is waaaaaay differrent then what others are talking about here.
    I don't think you are or were being selfish at all, and to be honest, I don't really get the shlfish talk either.

    It's the assuming that if you don't do these things, and go along with what the "norm" is that you are not living life.

    I think you said it best earlier when you said everyone has to do what makes them happy.
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