PLEDGE CONTROVERSY in School

g under p

aerial wrote:

it's inappropriate for the teacher to berate the student in front of the class and some in the class joining in. The student hasn't returned to class as yet.

Kids used to be taught how to show respect. Seems that is not happening anymore. I would bet her parents have taught her not to respect her flag..... It would not surprise me if they don’t try and make money on this by suing......
If she wants to make that bold of a statement she needs to take the shit that comes with it, like being berated or being called names.........I mean I take the shit that comes to me on the MT....just because I do respect my country....

Again you are making quite a few assumptions there. How do you know her parents taught her not to respect the flag? There could be other reasons why she refused to stand we just don't know as yet. In our local news today they reported the parents do not intend to seek legal action however are seeking an apology from the teacher. I think the teacher should apologize.

Lastly it's the LAW that she can refuse to stand or recite the pledge. I thought you were for Personal Responsibility and following the rule of law. Oh I gather only when you want that law to apply right.

g under p wrote:

Something like when I had to put a woman in her place when she questioned me as to why I didn't take my hat off during the national anthem. I told her I have had the oppurtunity to be in the military to protect that flag and protect you so you can watch this ballgame. When you've done the same holla back until then my Red Sox hat will stay where I want it. She never said another word neither did anybody else.

Did you have a problem when I refused to remove my hat and place my hand over my heart? Well did you think I was being disrespectful?

Peace

unsung

You were. I'm sure your former military buddies would tell you the same.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

When she is 18 she can do what she wants, until then she is a minor and her parents hold her rights.

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Exactly... her PARENTS. Not her teacher or principal.
The teacher has the authority over her education... not her opinions.

Cosmo

Bottom line... if the teacher didn't make such a big deal out of it... it never would have reached us.
It's not that big of a deal... really... it isn't.

unsung

I guess it really doesn't matter. This person is probably just crying for attention and doesn't really understand what she is doing. Maybe it is all a planned attempt at getting some cash out of a lawsuit. Either way it sounds as if her peers and taking care of the situation. No details were given of the student to possibly come up with a motive.

g under p

unsung wrote:

g under p wrote:

unsung wrote:

If you don't like this country please just leave. I'm sure somewhere like Somalia would be better for these people.

You've said some things on here but that has to be THE most idiotic thing you've said. Man you are so pro America and red, white and blue. However, THIS is America and that student has the right to refuse to stand if she chooses, we are free to do so. One of the lovely features of this country remember *that's why they hate us because of our FREEDOM.*

The teacher does not have the right to mistreat her student in front of the class or at all. Something like when I had to put a woman in her place when she questioned me as to why I didn't take my hat off during the national anthem. I told her I have had the oppurtunity to be in the military to protect that flag and protect you so you can watch this ballgame. When you've done the same holla back until then my Red Sox hat will stay where I want it. She never said another word neither did anybody else.

Peace

So because you chose to serve that now gives you the right to disrespect the country?

Yeah I'm pro-America because I know this is the best country on the planet. A country that gives more opportunities at a good life than probably any other. It sickens me to see what it has become over the last 10 years.

Yes I was in the military and if I choose to NOT take off my hat or place my hand over my chest I will do so. You give the appearance you're so pro American but I doubt very much if you were at that game you would've said a word to me about my so called disrespectful act.

peace

g under p

unsung wrote:

You were. I'm sure your former military buddies would tell you the same.

You are a joke most of my buddies don't give a shit either they know it's my choice not a command.

peace

unsung

It hasn't stopped me in the past.

But I find a generally don't have to because most people aren't jerk-offs wearing their hat while the anthem plays.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

I guess it really doesn't matter. This person is probably just crying for attention and doesn't really understand what she is doing. Maybe it is all a planned attempt at getting some cash out of a lawsuit. Either way it sounds as if her peers and taking care of the situation. No details were given of the student to possibly come up with a motive.

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If that teacher didn't react that way... no attention... no lawsuit... no news story... and this thread would not exist.

unsung

g under p wrote:

unsung wrote:

You were. I'm sure your former military buddies would tell you the same.

You are a joke most of my buddies don't give a shit either they know it's my choice not a command.

peace

Easy internet tough guy. Don't get all upset because I stated a fact that you disrespected the flag and country.

unsung

Cosmo wrote:

unsung wrote:

I guess it really doesn't matter. This person is probably just crying for attention and doesn't really understand what she is doing. Maybe it is all a planned attempt at getting some cash out of a lawsuit. Either way it sounds as if her peers and taking care of the situation. No details were given of the student to possibly come up with a motive.

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If that teacher didn't react that way... no lawsuit. No news story... and this thread would not exist.

Maybe she was removed from the class because her actions were disruptive and a distraction to the rest of the students. We weren't there I'm guessing there is more to the story.

Cosmo

Question to anyone it concerns: Do you 'Pledge Your Alligence' when you want to? Or do you 'Pledge Your Alligence' only when you are told to pledge your alligence?

g under p

unsung wrote:

g under p wrote:

unsung wrote:

You were. I'm sure your former military buddies would tell you the same.

You are a joke most of my buddies don't give a shit either they know it's my choice not a command.

peace

Easy internet tough guy. Don't get all upset because I stated a fact that you disrespected the flag and country.

Again whatever, call it what you want it's still my choice and from what I see at games around the country many other Americans do the same if they want to. That's the beauty of this country, we are NOT commanded to do so, WE have a choice to remove our hats, place our hand over our chest if we wish. Thank you.

Peace

brandon10

unsung wrote:

g under p wrote:

unsung wrote:

You were. I'm sure your former military buddies would tell you the same.

You are a joke most of my buddies don't give a shit either they know it's my choice not a command.

peace

Easy internet tough guy. Don't get all upset because I stated a fact that you disrespected the flag and country.

You have disrespected the country by being illogical and not learning the laws of the land. I thought you teabagger types were all for the govt staying out of your affairs? Such a joke.

unsung

Cosmo wrote:

Question to anyone it concerns: Do you 'Pledge Your Alligence' when you want to? Or do you 'Pledge Your Alligence' only when you are told to pledge your alligence?

I do it because I want to, not that I find myself doing it very much in my adult life. I mean I don't have a huge flag hanging in the living room so I can say the pledge every morning. However I will never not remove my hat, nor will I ever sit for the anthem or pledge. I respect this country.

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism was said by someone many here admire. I don't show dissent for my country, I show it for my government. There is a big difference.

unsung

brandon10 wrote:

You have disrespected the country by being illogical and not learning the laws of the land. I thought you teabagger types were all for the govt staying out of your affairs? Such a joke.

The government has nothing to do with my stance. Try and keep up.

brandon10

unsung wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Question to anyone it concerns: Do you 'Pledge Your Alligence' when you want to? Or do you 'Pledge Your Alligence' only when you are told to pledge your alligence?

I do it because I want to, not that I find myself doing it very much in my adult life. I mean I don't have a huge flag hanging in the living room so I can say the pledge every morning. However I will never not remove my hat, nor will I ever sit for the anthem or pledge. I respect this country.

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism was said by someone many here admire. I don't show dissent for my country, I show it for my government. There is a big difference.

The fact that you think you have to remove your hat to be patriotic is the most retarded thing I have read here in a long while.

unsung

brandon10 wrote:

The fact that you think you have to remove your hat to be patriotic is the most retarded thing I have read here in a long while.

The fact that you use the word "retarded" to try to make your point speaks for itself.

brandon10

What exactly is the point of removing the hat??? So your small mind can be closer to god or that you want to show off your awful hat hair. Who decided that was patriotic and why?

Smellyman

"Pledging allegiance" always seemed creepy to me.

Why do schools have to indoctrinate our students.....:)