Domestic terrorism refers to activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any state; appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. [18 U.S.C. § 2331(5)]
He was trying to "influence the policy of a government by mass destruction". In his note he says "Nothing changes unless there is a body count " and says he's "dying for the freedom of his country". To me this shows it wasn't simple revenge but that he hoped to draw attention to the issue with the intent of putting the spotlight and pressure on them in order to influence their future actions. I think it's definitely terrorism. If I were an IRS agent, I'd be nervous!
that is the point i was trying to make, thank you!
yeah this guy was quite delusional..why did he not just blow his head off in a hotel room somewhere? because he had to take some people with him to draw attention to his way of thinking...classic example of making a statement. he would not be on world news right now if he had shot himself in the hotel room, but by trying to take out others, he seems much more important and that his death was for a cause...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Domestic terrorism refers to activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any state; appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. [18 U.S.C. § 2331(5)]
He was trying to "influence the policy of a government by mass destruction". In his note he says "Nothing changes unless there is a body count " and says he's "dying for the freedom of his country". To me this shows it wasn't simple revenge but that he hoped to draw attention to the issue with the intent of putting the spotlight and pressure on them in order to influence their future actions. I think it's definitely terrorism. If I were an IRS agent, I'd be nervous!
that is the point i was trying to make, thank you!
yeah this guy was quite delusional..why did he not just blow his head off in a hotel room somewhere? because he had to take some people with him to draw attention to his way of thinking...classic example of making a statement. he would not be on world news right now if he had shot himself in the hotel room, but by trying to take out others, he seems much more important and that his death was for a cause...
Would you classify the professor who shot up the faculty meeting because she didn't get tenure a terrorist? Just wondering.
Would you classify the professor who shot up the faculty meeting because she didn't get tenure a terrorist? Just wondering.
yes i would. she attacked government workers on government property to voice her displeasure with not getting tenure. action against the state funded institution qualifies as terrorism in my way of thinking...she took out innocent people in making her statement, the same way suicide bombers take out innocents to make their statement...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Would you classify the professor who shot up the faculty meeting because she didn't get tenure a terrorist? Just wondering.
Hmmmm...I personally don't think I would. That seemed like direct revenge on the people who had harmed her. I doubt she had any expectation that she her actions would influence them to give her the job when it was all over and while I'm not really familiar with what happened, I haven't seen anything about her making an overall statement of the tenure process at universities.
BUT..she may have had that affect whether she intended to or not. I bet it'll be on people's minds as they're voting on tenure for other borderline-personality types.
So, there's the issue of outcome vs. intent. If this guy today is not successful in affecting change, does it mean he's not a terrorist? IMHO, no.. I think the intent of the actions is more important than their success.
I mean, the US has a policy of not negotiating with terrorists. If they adhere to it, all terrorism fails and therefore terrorism would not even exist - by that definition. So, yeah, even if he was totally unsuccessful, he's a terrorist just by the fact that influencing the government was his intent.
And she wasn't, because even though professors across the US may be going to bed this week terrorized, that wasn't her intent.
I deal with IRAs every day at work and what this asshole says here is bullshit:
To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn't have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed.
IRAs are tax-deferred. The government is doing you a favor by allowing you to collect interest or market value on a larger sum of money. That's why people get them. That's why this asshole got one. So when you take money out of your IRA, you then have to pay the taxes on that income. There's nothing fucking sleazy about it.
How many Tea Party psychos will want to follow in his footsteps now? It sucks that he was shit out of luck and apparently had nowhere viable to turn to... I feel at least that amount of empathy for him. What scares me is how many more are directly feeling his pain, and sympathizing with his actions.
A Texas man may have deliberately crashed a small plane into a building containing a US federal tax office after setting his own house on fire.
Two fighter jets were scrambled out of a nearby airport in response to the incident, which an official said does not appear to be linked to terrorism.
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So let me get this straight.. it does not appear to be linked to terrorism because a white American committed it. I guess the new definition of terrorism is "an act of terror committed by a muslim".
Incase you did not know there is a group of radical Muslims that hate Americans and want us all dead....there is even a war going on against them....I am sure that is the terrorist the media is referring to.......common sense is not being racist.
This man is also a terrorist.
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Actually, terorist acts have happened by muslims and they still have a hard time calling them terorists. After all, we can't even call AlQaida terorists anymore, they are enemy combatants. If we label them or give them a profile we might hurt there feelings and that would be politicaly incorrect.
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According to who? There is no fucking law that tell you what to call them.
I call Al Qaeda, 'Fucking assholes that need to die' all the time... I can't help it if you are a follower of political fucking correctness.
Whoa dude !!!! :shock: You sound like a door flying off the hinges of a double wide from being kicked in by a DEA agent during a Meth bust.
Okay, I just read the letter and it kind of reinforces my idea that this wasn't meant to be a terrorist act. I don't think he meant to "intimidate or coerce". I think he meant to get people's attention and open their eyes to the injustices he felt are going on in this country. Obviously, this was the wrong way to do it though. :(
I haven't read the whole letter yet. And this is a very sad act for the victims and the man's family. But this is the kind of thing many people are going to .... understand. At least understand his points. And I'm sure the media will try to turn this man into a coo coo monster, and he may partly be that. But the whole anger about a corporate controled government selling out this county and the politicians working for big businesses.... thats all obviously true and many people will understand that anger. The only hope our government has of really preventing more and more revolutionary acts is to find a way to really keep the people content. Most people are nowhere close to this radical behavior... yet.
that is like saying oklahoma city was not terrorism, and its like saying bombing abortion clinics is not terrorism...any time any douchebag has an agenda, religious, political, whatever and he attempts to make his feelings known by taking out a public building it is an act of terror.
PETA is a terrorist organization.
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film director Kevin Smith was his co-pilot... that was as high as the plane would go.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Okay, I just read the letter and it kind of reinforces my idea that this wasn't meant to be a terrorist act. I don't think he meant to "intimidate or coerce". I think he meant to get people's attention and open their eyes to the injustices he felt are going on in this country. Obviously, this was the wrong way to do it though. :(
For what its worth, I agree with you. This sort of act does not really fit the current use of the term (and I am not refering to the persecution complex of people like NoK, who apparently thinks everyone loathes Muslims and loves "white men") ... This unstable individual probably wanted to call attention to his plight, but its not clear to me that he had a specific political goal to terrorize or coerse in mind. This is in contrast to someone like the Oklahoma bomber, who commited an act that IS widely referred to as terrorism. This guy was lashing out, but its not clear to me that he had coersion via fear in mind. The sorts of people who shoot up post offices are commiting horrible crimes, but its not accurate to call all forms of mass murder terrorism.
A Texas man may have deliberately crashed a small plane into a building containing a US federal tax office after setting his own house on fire.
Two fighter jets were scrambled out of a nearby airport in response to the incident, which an official said does not appear to be linked to terrorism.
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So let me get this straight.. it does not appear to be linked to terrorism because a white American committed it. I guess the new definition of terrorism is "an act of terror committed by a muslim".
Interesting thought. Is it "terrorism" if it just 1 guy and 1 guy's opinion? Or does it have to be part of a bigger group/movement? A suicide bomber is 1 person committing the act, but there is always a larger movement behind them.
this kind of thing may happen a lot more, sometimes intelligent people are pushed to their extreme edge
and IRS and federal government are good at doing this to people.
I'm not saying that it's OK to act out this way but everybody is different and some can't handle the pressures
justly or justly put on them and they crack, this guy ain't the only one to loose it a few years back a guy killed
him self when the IRS unjustly pressured him to pay a million dollars in back tax's come to find he did not owe.
Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
--FBI Definition
did this guy meet any of the above criteria? of course he did...he even had a "manifesto"...the guy was a fucking right wing, anti establishment, anti government, extremist, and with his actions he became a terrorist today.
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this kind of thing may happen a lot more, sometimes intelligent people are pushed to their extreme edge
and IRS and federal government are good at doing this to people.
I'm not saying that it's OK to act out this way but everybody is different and some can't handle the pressures
justly or justly put on them and they crack, this guy ain't the only one to loose it a few years back a guy killed
him self when the IRS unjustly pressured him to pay a million dollars in back tax's come to find he did not owe.
Godfather.
There's an excuse for everything. Would you then say Palestinian suicide bombings in the same categories of some people not being able to handle it?
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this kind of thing may happen a lot more, sometimes intelligent people are pushed to their extreme edge
and IRS and federal government are good at doing this to people.
I'm not saying that it's OK to act out this way but everybody is different and some can't handle the pressures
justly or justly put on them and they crack, this guy ain't the only one to loose it a few years back a guy killed
him self when the IRS unjustly pressured him to pay a million dollars in back tax's come to find he did not owe.
Godfather.
if this guy was so intelligent he would of handled his frustration appropriately...as it stands, he's a dead pussy who couldn't handle his shit...
Why do we constantly try to redefine terrorist acts committed by Americans on American soil as anything but a 'terrorist act'.
Stack's deliberately planned, targeted, and carried out an action to destroy a U.S. government facility, by using his airplane as a weapon to cause the maximum destruction of the target and its people. Stack's intentional suicidal action makes him no less equal to the intentional suicidal actions committed on 9/11. The number of people who die in a terrorist act does not diminish the fact that it is a terrorist act.
Many people claim they understand WHY he was driven to this action. Really, did people have to die because Stack's failed to pay his taxes and let his life snowball out of control? Was it just about the IRS? If so, why try to burn your house down with your family still in it!!!
Stack's didn't write the statement to help himself heal.
--The reading offer his excuses as a businessman who didn't pay his taxes and didn't believe he should have to pay taxes.
--The reading shows that he wanted to be martyred for political persecution (taxation without representation) -in TX - give me a break.
Stack's, just like any other terrorist, picked an issue and selected a target that people could sympathize with. An issue and target that would rally more followers because that's what terrorists do, that's how they gather support and get recruits.
What was has been the political rallying point for the last six months -TAXES, taxation without representation events.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
this kind of thing may happen a lot more, sometimes intelligent people are pushed to their extreme edge
and IRS and federal government are good at doing this to people.
I'm not saying that it's OK to act out this way but everybody is different and some can't handle the pressures
justly or justly put on them and they crack, this guy ain't the only one to loose it a few years back a guy killed
him self when the IRS unjustly pressured him to pay a million dollars in back tax's come to find he did not owe.
Godfather.
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This guy wasn't 'pushed' by the IRS... he was a fucking Tax Cheat. He was a fucking CRIMINAL that was pissed off that he got caught and had to pay the penalty. Furthermore, he is a fucking terrorist and a MURDERER.
The IRS isn't going to come after me... because I PAY MY TAXES and am not a liar and a cheater.
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this kind of thing may happen a lot more, sometimes intelligent people are pushed to their extreme edge
and IRS and federal government are good at doing this to people.
I'm not saying that it's OK to act out this way but everybody is different and some can't handle the pressures
justly or justly put on them and they crack, this guy ain't the only one to loose it a few years back a guy killed
him self when the IRS unjustly pressured him to pay a million dollars in back tax's come to find he did not owe.
Godfather.
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This guy wasn't 'pushed' by the IRS... he was a fucking Tax Cheat. He was a fucking CRIMINAL that was pissed off that he got caught and had to pay the penalty. Furthermore, he is a fucking terrorist and a MURDERER.
The IRS isn't going to come after me... because I PAY MY TAXES and am not a liar and a cheater.
completely agreed....and as far as we know, you are not a murderer either lol..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Why do we constantly try to redefine terrorist acts committed by Americans on American soil as anything but a 'terrorist act'.
I think people see homegrown, individual anti-government wackos separate from a larger international conspiracy to try to drive fear into all of the United States.
I think they should specify what kind of terrorist act whenever this is on the news.
E.g.
WTC '93 - International Islamic Terrorist Group
Oklahoma City Bombing - Homegrown Terrorist Individuals
Atlanta Olympics Bombing - Homegrown Terrorist Individual
Unibomber - Homegrown Terrorist Individual
USS Cole - International Islamic Terrorist Group
9/11 - International Islamic Terrorist Group
Shoe-bomber - International Islamic Terrorist Group
Underwear-bomber - International Islamic Terrorist Group
IRS building attack - Homegrown Terrorist Individual
(and I'm calling anything less than 3 people "individuals" and 3 or more a "group")
...and I anticipate one of a couple of people on AMT to say how can something be an "International Islamic Terrorist Group" if it was the US government who created the attack. My answer, it's easy. They didn't.
...and then I anticipate one of a couple of people on AMT to say why we don't consider the US government a terrorist group for (insert international military action here). I'll leave that for another thread.
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Ok all you sandal wearing raisin eating hippies clear the incense from the room and think...
what is your breaking point ? and who are you judge ANYBODY.
you all have proved that you have the potential to act out just like the pilot.
anger is a funny thing ain't it.
Ok all you sandal wearing raisin eating hippies clear the incense from the room and think...
what is your breaking point ? and who are you judge ANYBODY.
you all have proved that you have the potential to act out just like the pilot.
anger is a funny thing ain't it.
Okay, I just read the letter and it kind of reinforces my idea that this wasn't meant to be a terrorist act. I don't think he meant to "intimidate or coerce". I think he meant to get people's attention and open their eyes to the injustices he felt are going on in this country. Obviously, this was the wrong way to do it though. :(
For what its worth, I agree with you. This sort of act does not really fit the current use of the term (and I am not refering to the persecution complex of people like NoK, who apparently thinks everyone loathes Muslims and loves "white men") ... This unstable individual probably wanted to call attention to his plight, but its not clear to me that he had a specific political goal to terrorize or coerse in mind. This is in contrast to someone like the Oklahoma bomber, who commited an act that IS widely referred to as terrorism. This guy was lashing out, but its not clear to me that he had coersion via fear in mind. The sorts of people who shoot up post offices are commiting horrible crimes, but its not accurate to call all forms of mass murder terrorism.
I think his note - and especially the fact that he posted it on the internet - make it clear that his intention was to get his message out and open people's eyes. And I think it worked. He got our attention by flying his plane into the IRS building and, consequently, we all read his suicide note on the internet. Now his message has a worldwide audience. Had he committed suicide in a more ordinary way or not posted his note on the internet, his message wouldn't have gotten out to the world.
Anyway, I'm just saying I think his intent was clear, I don't think it fits the definitions of terrorism provided in this thread, and it worked. Again, I'm not defending his actions in any way or saying they weren't as bad as the actions of terrorists.
Ok all you sandal wearing raisin eating hippies clear the incense from the room and think...
what is your breaking point ? and who are you judge ANYBODY.
you all have proved that you have the potential to act out just like the pilot.
anger is a funny thing ain't it.
Godfather.
I'm pretty sure I fall into the "sandal wearing raisin eating hippie" category (though I would never burn incense because it creates smoke ). But I do believe that everyone has a breaking point. EVERYONE.
Ok all you sandal wearing raisin eating hippies clear the incense from the room and think...
what is your breaking point ? and who are you judge ANYBODY.
you all have proved that you have the potential to act out just like the pilot.
anger is a funny thing ain't it.
Godfather.
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Wait a second... who is the psycho in this equation? You are the one showing compassion towards this guy... who commited crimes... got caught... had to pay the penalties... got pissed off... took the law into his own hands... commited another crime... that murdered an innocent office worker.
Hell YES I am angry. The guy was a criminal who commited a heinous criminal act that resulted in murder and tried to hold it up as a noble sacrifice for freedom.
And apparently... you are buying into it.
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As for a breaking point... i don't know. But, I DO KNOW... I don't cheat on my taxes so I do not fear the IRS.
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Wait a second... who is the psycho in this equation? You are the one showing compassion towards this guy... who commited crimes... got caught... had to pay the penalties... got pissed off... took the law into his own hands... commited another crime... that murdered an innocent office worker.
Hell YES I am angry. The guy was a criminal who commited a heinous criminal act that resulted in murder and tried to hold it up as a noble sacrifice for freedom.
And apparently... you are buying into it.
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As for a breaking point... i don't know. But, I DO KNOW... I don't cheat on my taxes so I do not fear the IRS.
Count me among those who see NO good reason for this pilot's deplorable behavior.
Ok all you sandal wearing raisin eating hippies clear the incense from the room and think...
what is your breaking point ? and who are you judge ANYBODY.
you all have proved that you have the potential to act out just like the pilot.
anger is a funny thing ain't it.
Godfather.
...
Wait a second... who is the psycho in this equation? You are the one showing compassion towards this guy... who commited crimes... got caught... had to pay the penalties... got pissed off... took the law into his own hands... commited another crime... that murdered an innocent office worker.
Hell YES I am angry. The guy was a criminal who commited a heinous criminal act that resulted in murder and tried to hold it up as a noble sacrifice for freedom.
And apparently... you are buying into it.
...
As for a breaking point... i don't know. But, I DO KNOW... I don't cheat on my taxes so I do not fear the IRS.
do you beleieve every thing you read on the internet ? how do you know the guy is a cheet.
the goverment will tell us what they want us to hear,do you really think their going to tell
you that the IRS was screwing him to death and he cracked....ooop's our bad :?
if you don't know the whole truth don't be so quick to judge.
Why do we constantly try to redefine terrorist acts committed by Americans on American soil as anything but a 'terrorist act'.
I think people see homegrown, individual anti-government wackos separate from a larger international conspiracy to try to drive fear into all of the United States.
I think they should specify what kind of terrorist act whenever this is on the news.
E.g.
WTC '93 - International Islamic Terrorist Group
Oklahoma City Bombing - Homegrown Terrorist Individuals
Atlanta Olympics Bombing - Homegrown Terrorist Individual
Unibomber - Homegrown Terrorist Individual
USS Cole - International Islamic Terrorist Group
9/11 - International Islamic Terrorist Group
Shoe-bomber - International Islamic Terrorist Group
Underwear-bomber - International Islamic Terrorist Group
IRS building attack - Homegrown Terrorist Individual
(and I'm calling anything less than 3 people "individuals" and 3 or more a "group")
...and I anticipate one of a couple of people on AMT to say how can something be an "International Islamic Terrorist Group" if it was the US government who created the attack. My answer, it's easy. They didn't.
...and then I anticipate one of a couple of people on AMT to say why we don't consider the US government a terrorist group for (insert international military action here). I'll leave that for another thread.
What makes the difference if a terrorist is homegrown or not when results are the same. Too kill, too cause fear and panic, too alter peoples' prospective of others, and, too be remembered as an instrument of death and destruction on a massive scale for a CAUSE.
A man in TX who gets in a plane and deliberately uses it as a weapon to commit death and destruction on a massive scale against what he sees as a symbol of his problems -- is no different from a man in Afghanistan who straps on backpack full of explosives, walks to village marketplace to kill two soldiers at the cost of 50 of his own people. Don't forget, we scrambled F-16s in TX to ensure there were no other planes in area.
Either an act is a terrorist act or it is not. If the act is going to be defined by the person/country that commits the act, then there is no 'war against terror', it simply a war against muslims.
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
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yeah this guy was quite delusional..why did he not just blow his head off in a hotel room somewhere? because he had to take some people with him to draw attention to his way of thinking...classic example of making a statement. he would not be on world news right now if he had shot himself in the hotel room, but by trying to take out others, he seems much more important and that his death was for a cause...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Would you classify the professor who shot up the faculty meeting because she didn't get tenure a terrorist? Just wondering.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Hmmmm...I personally don't think I would. That seemed like direct revenge on the people who had harmed her. I doubt she had any expectation that she her actions would influence them to give her the job when it was all over and while I'm not really familiar with what happened, I haven't seen anything about her making an overall statement of the tenure process at universities.
BUT..she may have had that affect whether she intended to or not. I bet it'll be on people's minds as they're voting on tenure for other borderline-personality types.
So, there's the issue of outcome vs. intent. If this guy today is not successful in affecting change, does it mean he's not a terrorist? IMHO, no.. I think the intent of the actions is more important than their success.
I mean, the US has a policy of not negotiating with terrorists. If they adhere to it, all terrorism fails and therefore terrorism would not even exist - by that definition. So, yeah, even if he was totally unsuccessful, he's a terrorist just by the fact that influencing the government was his intent.
And she wasn't, because even though professors across the US may be going to bed this week terrorized, that wasn't her intent.
IRAs are tax-deferred. The government is doing you a favor by allowing you to collect interest or market value on a larger sum of money. That's why people get them. That's why this asshole got one. So when you take money out of your IRA, you then have to pay the taxes on that income. There's nothing fucking sleazy about it.
How many Tea Party psychos will want to follow in his footsteps now? It sucks that he was shit out of luck and apparently had nowhere viable to turn to... I feel at least that amount of empathy for him. What scares me is how many more are directly feeling his pain, and sympathizing with his actions.
Direct hit???????? :x
This man is also a terrorist.
Whoa dude !!!! :shock: You sound like a door flying off the hinges of a double wide from being kicked in by a DEA agent during a Meth bust.
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PETA is a terrorist organization.
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For what its worth, I agree with you. This sort of act does not really fit the current use of the term (and I am not refering to the persecution complex of people like NoK, who apparently thinks everyone loathes Muslims and loves "white men") ... This unstable individual probably wanted to call attention to his plight, but its not clear to me that he had a specific political goal to terrorize or coerse in mind. This is in contrast to someone like the Oklahoma bomber, who commited an act that IS widely referred to as terrorism. This guy was lashing out, but its not clear to me that he had coersion via fear in mind. The sorts of people who shoot up post offices are commiting horrible crimes, but its not accurate to call all forms of mass murder terrorism.
Horrible.
Interesting thought. Is it "terrorism" if it just 1 guy and 1 guy's opinion? Or does it have to be part of a bigger group/movement? A suicide bomber is 1 person committing the act, but there is always a larger movement behind them.
and IRS and federal government are good at doing this to people.
I'm not saying that it's OK to act out this way but everybody is different and some can't handle the pressures
justly or justly put on them and they crack, this guy ain't the only one to loose it a few years back a guy killed
him self when the IRS unjustly pressured him to pay a million dollars in back tax's come to find he did not owe.
Godfather.
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if this guy was so intelligent he would of handled his frustration appropriately...as it stands, he's a dead pussy who couldn't handle his shit...
fuck him...
Stack's deliberately planned, targeted, and carried out an action to destroy a U.S. government facility, by using his airplane as a weapon to cause the maximum destruction of the target and its people. Stack's intentional suicidal action makes him no less equal to the intentional suicidal actions committed on 9/11. The number of people who die in a terrorist act does not diminish the fact that it is a terrorist act.
Many people claim they understand WHY he was driven to this action. Really, did people have to die because Stack's failed to pay his taxes and let his life snowball out of control? Was it just about the IRS? If so, why try to burn your house down with your family still in it!!!
Stack's didn't write the statement to help himself heal.
--The reading offer his excuses as a businessman who didn't pay his taxes and didn't believe he should have to pay taxes.
--The reading shows that he wanted to be martyred for political persecution (taxation without representation) -in TX - give me a break.
Stack's, just like any other terrorist, picked an issue and selected a target that people could sympathize with. An issue and target that would rally more followers because that's what terrorists do, that's how they gather support and get recruits.
What was has been the political rallying point for the last six months -TAXES, taxation without representation events.
This guy wasn't 'pushed' by the IRS... he was a fucking Tax Cheat. He was a fucking CRIMINAL that was pissed off that he got caught and had to pay the penalty. Furthermore, he is a fucking terrorist and a MURDERER.
The IRS isn't going to come after me... because I PAY MY TAXES and am not a liar and a cheater.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I think people see homegrown, individual anti-government wackos separate from a larger international conspiracy to try to drive fear into all of the United States.
I think they should specify what kind of terrorist act whenever this is on the news.
E.g.
WTC '93 - International Islamic Terrorist Group
Oklahoma City Bombing - Homegrown Terrorist Individuals
Atlanta Olympics Bombing - Homegrown Terrorist Individual
Unibomber - Homegrown Terrorist Individual
USS Cole - International Islamic Terrorist Group
9/11 - International Islamic Terrorist Group
Shoe-bomber - International Islamic Terrorist Group
Underwear-bomber - International Islamic Terrorist Group
IRS building attack - Homegrown Terrorist Individual
(and I'm calling anything less than 3 people "individuals" and 3 or more a "group")
...and I anticipate one of a couple of people on AMT to say how can something be an "International Islamic Terrorist Group" if it was the US government who created the attack. My answer, it's easy. They didn't.
...and then I anticipate one of a couple of people on AMT to say why we don't consider the US government a terrorist group for (insert international military action here). I'll leave that for another thread.
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what is your breaking point ? and who are you judge ANYBODY.
you all have proved that you have the potential to act out just like the pilot.
anger is a funny thing ain't it.
Godfather.
um...a...
what...?
I think his note - and especially the fact that he posted it on the internet - make it clear that his intention was to get his message out and open people's eyes. And I think it worked. He got our attention by flying his plane into the IRS building and, consequently, we all read his suicide note on the internet. Now his message has a worldwide audience. Had he committed suicide in a more ordinary way or not posted his note on the internet, his message wouldn't have gotten out to the world.
Anyway, I'm just saying I think his intent was clear, I don't think it fits the definitions of terrorism provided in this thread, and it worked. Again, I'm not defending his actions in any way or saying they weren't as bad as the actions of terrorists.
I'm pretty sure I fall into the "sandal wearing raisin eating hippie" category (though I would never burn incense because it creates smoke
Wait a second... who is the psycho in this equation? You are the one showing compassion towards this guy... who commited crimes... got caught... had to pay the penalties... got pissed off... took the law into his own hands... commited another crime... that murdered an innocent office worker.
Hell YES I am angry. The guy was a criminal who commited a heinous criminal act that resulted in murder and tried to hold it up as a noble sacrifice for freedom.
And apparently... you are buying into it.
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As for a breaking point... i don't know. But, I DO KNOW... I don't cheat on my taxes so I do not fear the IRS.
Hail, Hail!!!
Count me among those who see NO good reason for this pilot's deplorable behavior.
do you beleieve every thing you read on the internet ? how do you know the guy is a cheet.
the goverment will tell us what they want us to hear,do you really think their going to tell
you that the IRS was screwing him to death and he cracked....ooop's our bad :?
if you don't know the whole truth don't be so quick to judge.
Godfather.
What makes the difference if a terrorist is homegrown or not when results are the same. Too kill, too cause fear and panic, too alter peoples' prospective of others, and, too be remembered as an instrument of death and destruction on a massive scale for a CAUSE.
A man in TX who gets in a plane and deliberately uses it as a weapon to commit death and destruction on a massive scale against what he sees as a symbol of his problems -- is no different from a man in Afghanistan who straps on backpack full of explosives, walks to village marketplace to kill two soldiers at the cost of 50 of his own people. Don't forget, we scrambled F-16s in TX to ensure there were no other planes in area.
Either an act is a terrorist act or it is not. If the act is going to be defined by the person/country that commits the act, then there is no 'war against terror', it simply a war against muslims.