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edited February 2010 in A Moving Train
A small aircraft has crashed in to a building that houses the IRS in Austin Texas.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    And supposedly the pilot set his own house on fire before taking off.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    and right around TAX time......imagine that.

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  • Stupid Tim McVeigh wannabe. I'm only surprised it hasn't happened sooner. With Obama as prez, the right-wing yahoos are climbing outta the woodwork.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    arthurdent wrote:
    Stupid Tim McVeigh wannabe. I'm only surprised it hasn't happened sooner. With Obama as prez, the right-wing yahoos are climbing outta the woodwork.


    I didn't read the whole message he left. Which quote makes him a right-wing yahoo?
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    If this is note is real, this guy was a bit on the coo coo for coco puffs side of things...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/1 ... tml?page=2
  • inmytree wrote:
    If this is note is real, this guy was a bit on the coo coo for coco puffs side of things...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/1 ... tml?page=2

    well yeah... anyone who kills themself and/or intends to kill others is insane.

    "there are many reasons to live, a few reasons to die, and no reason to kill"

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  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/101429 ... s-building

    A Texas man may have deliberately crashed a small plane into a building containing a US federal tax office after setting his own house on fire.

    Two fighter jets were scrambled out of a nearby airport in response to the incident, which an official said does not appear to be linked to terrorism.

    ----

    So let me get this straight.. it does not appear to be linked to terrorism because a white American committed it. I guess the new definition of terrorism is "an act of terror committed by a muslim".
  • fuckfuck Posts: 4,069
    NoK wrote:
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1014295/man-crashes-plane-into-us-building

    A Texas man may have deliberately crashed a small plane into a building containing a US federal tax office after setting his own house on fire.

    Two fighter jets were scrambled out of a nearby airport in response to the incident, which an official said does not appear to be linked to terrorism.

    ----

    So let me get this straight.. it does not appear to be linked to terrorism because a white American committed it. I guess the new definition of terrorism is "an act of terror committed by a muslim".
    new? welcome to 1990. they were even reluctant to label mcveigh's bombing in 1995 as terrorism - although of course that was after they initially blamed Muslims for it when they actually had no proof.
  • Yeah, we have an amazing tolerance for Americans killing Americans :roll: Anyone wanna bet the Republicans would be screaming for impeachment right now if the same thing had been done by a Muslim? Ditto for all the workplace and college shootings, train accidents due to texting, etc. etc...
  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    inmytree wrote:
    If this is note is real, this guy was a bit on the coo coo for coco puffs side of things...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/1 ... tml?page=2

    This note has a lot of interesting points. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. He's been unhappy for a very long time. He was obviously very deranged. But he had a lot of complaints that I think many should agree with.
  • I've got no sympathy for those who decide to take others with them when they commit suicide.

    And he certainly has a long list of people to blame for his problems, mistakes and decision to gamble with the tax law. Everyone but himself, it seems. Total victim mentality.

    I've been a self-employed contractor for years. It takes discipline to put the money aside for taxes each time you get a check. I have a separate account and every time someone pays me I put 75% in checking and 25% in a separate savings account and then NEVER touch it because once you fall behind on taxes it's super-difficult to get caught up.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    This a-hole would not have been in the boat he was in if he had just paid his goddamn taxes and quit trying to 'interpret' tax laws on his own. Report the money you make and pay the taxes that are due. We all have to pay... quit being a goddamn liar and a cheat on your income taxes today and you won't have to pay your share (plus interest and penalties) tomorrow. And... he was a fucking attempted mass murderer.
    ...
    Asshole.
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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    NoK wrote:
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1014295/man-crashes-plane-into-us-building

    A Texas man may have deliberately crashed a small plane into a building containing a US federal tax office after setting his own house on fire.

    Two fighter jets were scrambled out of a nearby airport in response to the incident, which an official said does not appear to be linked to terrorism.

    ----

    So let me get this straight.. it does not appear to be linked to terrorism because a white American committed it. I guess the new definition of terrorism is "an act of terror committed by a muslim".
    Incase you did not know there is a group of radical Muslims that hate Americans and want us all dead....there is even a war going on against them....I am sure that is the terrorist the media is referring to.......common sense is not being racist.
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  • aerial wrote:
    NoK wrote:
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1014295/man-crashes-plane-into-us-building

    A Texas man may have deliberately crashed a small plane into a building containing a US federal tax office after setting his own house on fire.

    Two fighter jets were scrambled out of a nearby airport in response to the incident, which an official said does not appear to be linked to terrorism.

    ----

    So let me get this straight.. it does not appear to be linked to terrorism because a white American committed it. I guess the new definition of terrorism is "an act of terror committed by a muslim".
    Incase you did not know there is a group of radical Muslims that hate Americans and want us all dead....there is even a war going on against them....I am sure that is the terrorist the media is referring to.......common sense is not being racist.

    what is common sense to some people is ignorance or delusion to others...
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  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    _outlaw wrote:
    NoK wrote:
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/1014295/man-crashes-plane-into-us-building

    A Texas man may have deliberately crashed a small plane into a building containing a US federal tax office after setting his own house on fire.

    Two fighter jets were scrambled out of a nearby airport in response to the incident, which an official said does not appear to be linked to terrorism.

    ----

    So let me get this straight.. it does not appear to be linked to terrorism because a white American committed it. I guess the new definition of terrorism is "an act of terror committed by a muslim".
    new? welcome to 1990. they were even reluctant to label mcveigh's bombing in 1995 as terrorism - although of course that was after they initially blamed Muslims for it when they actually had no proof.

    Actually, terorist acts have happened by muslims and they still have a hard time calling them terorists. After all, we can't even call AlQaida terorists anymore, they are enemy combatants. If we label them or give them a profile we might hurt there feelings and that would be politicaly incorrect.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    aerial wrote:
    common sense is not being racist.

    And being racist is not common sense.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    mb262200 wrote:
    Actually, terorist acts have happened by muslims and they still have a hard time calling them terorists. After all, we can't even call AlQaida terorists anymore, they are enemy combatants. If we label them or give them a profile we might hurt there feelings and that would be politicaly incorrect.
    ...
    According to who? There is no fucking law that tell you what to call them.
    I call Al Qaeda, 'Fucking assholes that need to die' all the time... I can't help it if you are a follower of political fucking correctness.
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  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Cosmo wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    Actually, terorist acts have happened by muslims and they still have a hard time calling them terorists. After all, we can't even call AlQaida terorists anymore, they are enemy combatants. If we label them or give them a profile we might hurt there feelings and that would be politicaly incorrect.
    ...
    According to who? There is no fucking law that tell you what to call them.
    I call Al Qaeda, 'Fucking assholes that need to die' all the time... I can't help it if you are a follower of political fucking correctness.

    According to our current administration. What the fuck are you getting all mad at me for. I agree with you all the way. I said that with sarcasm, I thought that would have been obvious.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Cosmo wrote:
    Report the money you make and pay the taxes that are due. We all have to pay...


    Except for Obama's treasury secretary. :D


    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/alexs ... _evasion_/

    Tim Geithner's tax evasion

    THE US senate finance committee has voted for a tax evader to become Treasury secretary. He is likely to be confirmed by a vote on the senate floor soon.

    Be in no doubt that is what Tim Geithner is. I’m not sure what is more amazing about this case: the virtually free pass he has been given by the media, the toothless opposition of the Republicans or the magnitude of Obama’s first betrayal of his ideals.

    In 2006 the Internal Revenue Service discovered that Geithner had not paid he had failed to pay taxes in 2003 and 2004 because he had incorrectly believed they were deducted at source by the IMF, where he had moved after serving the treasury in the Clinton administration. He duly paid about $17,230 in back taxes and interest.

    After he was selected to lead the treasury in November, it was discovered as part of his vetting that he owed a further $25,970 for 2001 and 2002 as well. That was the point Obama should have dropped Geithner, instead he has championed him as the only man fit for this major job in dire times.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    mb262200 wrote:
    According to our current administration. What the fuck are you getting all mad at me for. I agree with you all the way. I said that with sarcasm, I thought that would have been obvious.
    ...
    I'm saying... so fucking what? Is there a LAW now that I'm unaware of?
    No one is making us call them 'Enemy combatants'. If they want to call them that... fine. Let them. To me... Al Qaeda are still 'Fucking assholes that need to die'. And you will never hear me whining about, "After all, we can't even call AlQaida terorists anymore, they are enemy combatants.", like those pussies, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. Fuck those spineless assholes.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Report the money you make and pay the taxes that are due. We all have to pay...


    Except for Obama's treasury secretary. :D


    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/alexs ... _evasion_/

    Tim Geithner's tax evasion

    THE US senate finance committee has voted for a tax evader to become Treasury secretary. He is likely to be confirmed by a vote on the senate floor soon.

    Be in no doubt that is what Tim Geithner is. I’m not sure what is more amazing about this case: the virtually free pass he has been given by the media, the toothless opposition of the Republicans or the magnitude of Obama’s first betrayal of his ideals.

    In 2006 the Internal Revenue Service discovered that Geithner had not paid he had failed to pay taxes in 2003 and 2004 because he had incorrectly believed they were deducted at source by the IMF, where he had moved after serving the treasury in the Clinton administration. He duly paid about $17,230 in back taxes and interest.

    After he was selected to lead the treasury in November, it was discovered as part of his vetting that he owed a further $25,970 for 2001 and 2002 as well. That was the point Obama should have dropped Geithner, instead he has championed him as the only man fit for this major job in dire times.
    ...
    Wait... didn't he end up paying the back taxes?
    I'm saying, pay what is due.. don't lie... don't cheat... and the IRS won't come knocking. Stack (and Geithner) should have know that eventually, the system will catch up with them. They shouldn't be angry because they tried to cheat the system... and got caught.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
    --FBI Definition

    http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/Security/Terrordef.html

    did this guy meet any of the above criteria? of course he did...he even had a "manifesto"...the guy was a fucking right wing, anti establishment, anti government, extremist, and with his actions he became a terrorist today.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
    --FBI Definition

    http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/Security/Terrordef.html

    did this guy meet any of the above criteria? of course he did...he even had a "manifesto"...the guy was a fucking right wing, anti establishment, anti government, extremist, and with his actions he became a terrorist today.
    ...
    Damn straight, he was. Fuckin' Aye. Terrorist fucking asshole.
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  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    _outlaw wrote:
    new? welcome to 1990. they were even reluctant to label mcveigh's bombing in 1995 as terrorism - although of course that was after they initially blamed Muslims for it when they actually had no proof.

    Definitely not new but worth pointing out the hypocrisy.
    mb262200 wrote:
    Actually, terorist acts have happened by muslims and they still have a hard time calling them terorists. After all, we can't even call AlQaida terorists anymore, they are enemy combatants. If we label them or give them a profile we might hurt there feelings and that would be politicaly incorrect.

    Not sure what its like where you live but terror act/terrorist seems to be every second word in mainstream media articles about Iraq or Afghanistan.
  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    aerial wrote:
    Incase you did not know there is a group of radical Muslims that hate Americans and want us all dead....there is even a war going on against them....I am sure that is the terrorist the media is referring to.......common sense is not being racist.

    Actually, common sense disappeared with your post.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
    --FBI Definition

    http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/Security/Terrordef.html

    did this guy meet any of the above criteria? of course he did...he even had a "manifesto"...the guy was a fucking right wing, anti establishment, anti government, extremist, and with his actions he became a terrorist today.

    Not to be nit-picky and I generally agree with you, but I don't think this guy fits your definition above. I don't think his act of violence - though horrible and uncalled for and obviously meant for a specific governement target - was meant to (or has the power to) "intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives". I think his objective was revenge, which is not the same as coercion. Now that he's dead and we know he's no longer a threat, we're not intimidated and cannot be coerced, ya know? Just sayin'.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    scb wrote:
    Terrorism is the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
    --FBI Definition

    http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/Security/Terrordef.html

    did this guy meet any of the above criteria? of course he did...he even had a "manifesto"...the guy was a fucking right wing, anti establishment, anti government, extremist, and with his actions he became a terrorist today.

    Not to be nit-picky and I generally agree with you, but I don't think this guy fits your definition above. I don't think his act of violence - though horrible and uncalled for and obviously meant for a specific governement target - was meant to (or has the power to) "intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives". I think his objective was revenge, which is not the same as coercion. Now that he's dead and we know he's no longer a threat, we're not intimidated and cannot be coerced, ya know? Just sayin'.


    that is like saying oklahoma city was not terrorism, and its like saying bombing abortion clinics is not terrorism...any time any douchebag has an agenda, religious, political, whatever and he attempts to make his feelings known by taking out a public building it is an act of terror.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    edited February 2010
    that is like saying oklahoma city was not terrorism, and its like saying bombing abortion clinics is not terrorism...any time any douchebag has an agenda, religious, political, whatever and he attempts to make his feelings known by taking out a public building it is an act of terror.

    Well I think the differnce with abortion clinics is that because the individual acts are part of a larger movement, they do have the power to coerce and intimidate. I don't think acts that have no chance of being repeated have that power.

    Edit to add: Acts that are commited by individuals who aren't part of a larger movement but also who don't die in the act also have the chance of being repeated, and could therefore create intimidation or coercion and fit your definition.
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  • Domestic terrorism
    refers to activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any state; appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. [18 U.S.C. § 2331(5)]


    He was trying to "influence the policy of a government by mass destruction". In his note he says "Nothing changes unless there is a body count " and says he's "dying for the freedom of his country". To me this shows it wasn't simple revenge but that he hoped to draw attention to the issue with the intent of putting the spotlight and pressure on them in order to influence their future actions. I think it's definitely terrorism. If I were an IRS agent, I'd be nervous!
  • __ Posts: 6,651

    Domestic terrorism
    refers to activities that involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any state; appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; to influence the policy of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States. [18 U.S.C. § 2331(5)]


    He was trying to "influence the policy of a government by mass destruction". In his note he says "Nothing changes unless there is a body count " and says he's "dying for the freedom of his country". To me this shows it wasn't simple revenge but that he hoped to draw attention to the issue with the intent of putting the spotlight and pressure on them in order to influence their future actions. I think it's definitely terrorism. If I were an IRS agent, I'd be nervous!

    I didn't read his note and I see your point. But I still think that just because a crazy man thought he had the power to affect change doesn't mean he actually has that power. I'd be nervous if I were an IRS agent too. Of course, someone was stabbed at my school this week and that made me nervous - but it wasn't an act of terrorism. It's a fine line, I guess.
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