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lastexit78 wrote:

Being a Giants fan is starting to feel a lot like being a PJ fan. I see similarities in both groups. Giants get no respect from the media. The fan base has always been huge but never got any press. Were easily the most knowledgeable fan base of any team on the west coast. The fan base also travels extremely well. I myself have seen them play in 5 different ballparks and there's always a huge group at each venue. I was in DC in 2009 when Randy Johnson won #300 and the place felt like a Giants home game. I'm watching them beat up on Latos tonight in Peoria which is San Diego's home and it's probably 75% Giants fans. The future looks extremely bright as well. Lots of quality prospects on the way, a premier venue, lots of revenue coming in and the ballpark is nearly paid off. We own the Northern California sports scene and that's not going to change. Kings are leaving Sacramento, Warriors continue to be a 35 win team and the Niners and Raiders have stunk for a decade. I think were going to be competitive for the next 5 or 6 years minimum. Possibly longer if they can sustain a $125 million a year payroll, which shouldn't be a problem with the revenue coming in.

It really is a great time to be a fan. You're spot on about the fanbase never getting its due diligence.

Wobbie

lastexit78 wrote:

The future looks extremely bright as well. Lots of quality prospects on the way, a premier venue, lots of revenue coming in and the ballpark is nearly paid off. We own the Northern California sports scene and that's not going to change. Kings are leaving Sacramento, Warriors continue to be a 35 win team and the Niners and Raiders have stunk for a decade. I think were going to be competitive for the next 5 or 6 years minimum. Possibly longer if they can sustain a $125 million a year payroll, which shouldn't be a problem with the revenue coming in.

I love your enthusiasm but.....these are the Giants. I fully intend for them to break my heart many, many more times. The rest of the Bay Area does suck and the Gs may be able to maintain a payroll, but that doesn't guarantee anything. They won last year on heart, chemistry and karma. Maybe a little pitching, too

I'm behind them all the way...just wouldn't be surprised if it's another 56 years until they win it all again

Enkidu

imalive wrote:

lastexit78 wrote:

The future looks extremely bright as well. Lots of quality prospects on the way, a premier venue, lots of revenue coming in and the ballpark is nearly paid off. We own the Northern California sports scene and that's not going to change. Kings are leaving Sacramento, Warriors continue to be a 35 win team and the Niners and Raiders have stunk for a decade. I think were going to be competitive for the next 5 or 6 years minimum. Possibly longer if they can sustain a $125 million a year payroll, which shouldn't be a problem with the revenue coming in.

I love your enthusiasm but.....these are the Giants. I fully intend for them to break my heart many, many more times. The rest of the Bay Area does suck and the Gs may be able to maintain a payroll, but that doesn't guarantee anything. They won last year on heart, chemistry and karma. Maybe a little pitching, too

I'm behind them all the way...just wouldn't be surprised if it's another 56 years until they win it all again

Yes. Never forget. They are the Giants.

lastexit78

imalive wrote:

lastexit78 wrote:

The future looks extremely bright as well. Lots of quality prospects on the way, a premier venue, lots of revenue coming in and the ballpark is nearly paid off. We own the Northern California sports scene and that's not going to change. Kings are leaving Sacramento, Warriors continue to be a 35 win team and the Niners and Raiders have stunk for a decade. I think were going to be competitive for the next 5 or 6 years minimum. Possibly longer if they can sustain a $125 million a year payroll, which shouldn't be a problem with the revenue coming in.

I love your enthusiasm but.....these are the Giants. I fully intend for them to break my heart many, many more times. The rest of the Bay Area does suck and the Gs may be able to maintain a payroll, but that doesn't guarantee anything. They won last year on heart, chemistry and karma. Maybe a little pitching, too

I'm behind them all the way...just wouldn't be surprised if it's another 56 years until they win it all again

I really think we turned the corner last October/November. I'm sure many Red Sox fans had the same pessimistic attitude after 2004. Yet they were on top again in '07. Or Patriots fans after their fluke run of '01. Or even Niners fans after the '81 season. Sometimes a franchise just comes of age. I'm sure they'll be more heartbreaks, that's a given. But if this current group stays healthy and Sabean spends wisely I think we'll see at least one more World Series appearance in the next five years. Who's going to stop us? The Phillies will be a threat for another season or two but they're not getting any younger. Our division is good but has no big time threats and the Central is mediocre, especially if Pujols bolts for big money in the A.L. following this season.

Wobbie

lastexit78 wrote:

I really think we turned the corner last October/November. I'm sure many Red Sox fans had the same pessimistic attitude after 2004. Yet they were on top again in '07. Or Patriots fans after their fluke run of '01. Or even Niners fans after the '81 season. Sometimes a franchise just comes of age. I'm sure they'll be more heartbreaks, that's a given. But if this current group stays healthy and Sabean spends wisely I think we'll see at least one more World Series appearance in the next five years. Who's going to stop us? The Phillies will be a threat for another season or two but they're not getting any younger. Our division is good but has no big time threats and the Central is mediocre, especially if Pujols bolts for big money in the A.L. following this season.

I hope you're right

damn, the giants just keep winning in AZ. I'm almost hoping they'll lose a few and save some of these wins for the regular season :shock:

Jearlpam0925

imalive wrote:

lastexit78 wrote:

I really think we turned the corner last October/November. I'm sure many Red Sox fans had the same pessimistic attitude after 2004. Yet they were on top again in '07. Or Patriots fans after their fluke run of '01. Or even Niners fans after the '81 season. Sometimes a franchise just comes of age. I'm sure they'll be more heartbreaks, that's a given. But if this current group stays healthy and Sabean spends wisely I think we'll see at least one more World Series appearance in the next five years. Who's going to stop us? The Phillies will be a threat for another season or two but they're not getting any younger. Our division is good but has no big time threats and the Central is mediocre, especially if Pujols bolts for big money in the A.L. following this season.

I hope you're right

damn, the giants just keep winning in AZ. I'm almost hoping they'll lose a few and save some of these wins for the regular season :shock:

First off, spring training means absolutely nothing unless someone's hurt.

It's good to be jaded by your team and all, but fluke run of the '01 Pats - umm, what? That was the start of a dynasty. Red Sox are a brand. They have money to play with. I wouldn't say SF is either of these.

Who's going to stop you? Colorado will damn sure give you a run for your money(I think they win the division), San Diego is making wise moves, LA - if they can get their shit together financially - will always have a chance to be a player, and Arizona & Towers are making identical moves to SF. It's funny how one championship makes people get ginormous heads - ala Philly in '08(but we're like this in everything though - because in all reality, we just are that fucking awesome), Boston in '04, New York in...all the time.

For some reason your organization doesn't think it has the wherewithall to expand its payroll exponentially - even though SF is a damn big metro area.

Phillies will only be in it a couple more years? ....Rrrrright.

Wobbie

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Who's going to stop you? Colorado will damn sure give you a run for your money(I think they win the division), San Diego is making wise moves, LA - if they can get their shit together financially - will always have a chance to be a player, and Arizona & Towers are making identical moves to SF. It's funny how one championship makes people get ginormous heads - ala Philly in '08(but we're like this in everything though - because in all reality, we just are that fucking awesome), Boston in '04, New York in...all the time.

colorado is the only other legit team in our division. the rest suck.

The Fixer

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Who's going to stop you? Colorado will damn sure give you a run for your money(I think they win the division), San Diego is making wise moves, LA - if they can get their shit together financially - will always have a chance to be a player, and Arizona & Towers are making identical moves to SF. It's funny how one championship makes people get ginormous heads - ala Philly in '08(but we're like this in everything though - because in all reality, we just are that fucking awesome), Boston in '04, New York in...all the time.

colorado is the only other legit team in our division. the rest suck.

you could argue that the dodgers lineup is better than the giants. the giants rotation is better, but the dodgers isn't too far behind. don't sleep on LA this year.

I'm curious...how many games do you guys think the giants win this year? you guys seem awfully confident. for the record I think the phils win 95 games with utley for even half the season. without him for the year I'll say 90 (meaning they're in deep shit)

FearTheBeard

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Who's going to stop you? Colorado will damn sure give you a run for your money(I think they win the division), San Diego is making wise moves, LA - if they can get their shit together financially - will always have a chance to be a player, and Arizona & Towers are making identical moves to SF. It's funny how one championship makes people get ginormous heads - ala Philly in '08(but we're like this in everything though - because in all reality, we just are that fucking awesome), Boston in '04, New York in...all the time.

colorado is the only other legit team in our division. the rest suck.

You are exactly right!

FearTheBeard

The Fixer wrote:

imalive wrote:

colorado is the only other legit team in our division. the rest suck.

you could argue that the dodgers lineup is better than the giants. the giants rotation is better, but the dodgers isn't too far behind. don't sleep on LA this year.

I'm curious...how many games do you guys think the giants win this year? you guys seem awfully confident. for the record I think the phils win 95 games with utley for even half the season. without him for the year I'll say 90 (meaning they're in deep shit)

The Dodgers have had a better lineup than the Giants ever since Bonds left. Too bad they can't do shit with it. Their pitching is the same as last year and Kershaw and Billingsley need to carry the load. Might be a lot to ask from them. LA will be out of it by June!

I think the Giants are winning 90 this year. Colorado can make it difficult though. Last year we owned them down the stretch and that's what made the difference. Beating our division teams and watching San Diego piss it's season away helped big time.

I remember posting something on here a while ago about how teams go on runs/streaks/get hot to win titles, see Giants 2010, Red Sox 2004, White Sox 2005, yada yada. Someone countered and said that streaks usually do not get you a World Series win. It seems to me now that teams have to have the right "thing" going in order to win now whether it be chemistry, a bad ass pitching staff, etc.

Wobbie

The Fixer wrote:

you could argue that the dodgers lineup is better than the giants. the giants rotation is better, but the dodgers isn't too far behind. don't sleep on LA this year.

I'm curious...how many games do you guys think the giants win this year? you guys seem awfully confident. for the record I think the phils win 95 games with utley for even half the season. without him for the year I'll say 90 (meaning they're in deep shit)

a true giants fan can never even acknowledge the d**gers, much less their relavency.

I'll hope for another year like last - 92 wins, with most of them coming when it matters most.

FearTheBeard

imalive wrote:

the d**gers

lastexit78

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

imalive wrote:

lastexit78 wrote:

I really think we turned the corner last October/November. I'm sure many Red Sox fans had the same pessimistic attitude after 2004. Yet they were on top again in '07. Or Patriots fans after their fluke run of '01. Or even Niners fans after the '81 season. Sometimes a franchise just comes of age. I'm sure they'll be more heartbreaks, that's a given. But if this current group stays healthy and Sabean spends wisely I think we'll see at least one more World Series appearance in the next five years. Who's going to stop us? The Phillies will be a threat for another season or two but they're not getting any younger. Our division is good but has no big time threats and the Central is mediocre, especially if Pujols bolts for big money in the A.L. following this season.

I hope you're right

damn, the giants just keep winning in AZ. I'm almost hoping they'll lose a few and save some of these wins for the regular season :shock:

First off, spring training means absolutely nothing unless someone's hurt.

It's good to be jaded by your team and all, but fluke run of the '01 Pats - umm, what? That was the start of a dynasty. Red Sox are a brand. They have money to play with. I wouldn't say SF is either of these.

Who's going to stop you? Colorado will damn sure give you a run for your money(I think they win the division), San Diego is making wise moves, LA - if they can get their shit together financially - will always have a chance to be a player, and Arizona & Towers are making identical moves to SF. It's funny how one championship makes people get ginormous heads - ala Philly in '08(but we're like this in everything though - because in all reality, we just are that fucking awesome), Boston in '04, New York in...all the time.

For some reason your organization doesn't think it has the wherewithall to expand its payroll exponentially - even though SF is a damn big metro area.

Phillies will only be in it a couple more years? ....Rrrrright.

First off the '01 Pats were a fluke. I rooted for them the whole way but Oakland essentially beat them minus a ridiculous rule and the Rams completely took the Super Bowl for granted. Find me a football fan or even a Pats fan that saw a dynasty coming? They didn't even make the playoffs the following season in '02.

You think San Diego is making wise moves? Dealing your best player isn't a wise move. It's a move by a franchise that has no fan base and no money. They are a complete non factor in my book. Colorado looks nice on paper but they've proven to be an inconsistent team over the years. They get hot one or two months a season. Their ballpark will always play mental games with their pitchers. The Dodgers are the real threat. If Kemp, Loney & Eithier perform they could be legit. Although their bullpen stinks, for some reason when comparing our staff to theirs that gets overlooked. Bullpen performance is huge, just ask the Phillies of '09. As for those Phillies what makes you think they are going to be good for more than a few seasons? Halladay and Oswalt will be 34 this season and Lee 33. Hamels is inconsistent from season to season and the bullpen is depending on a 34 year old Lidge who's also inconsistent. I love Rollins but he'll never be the player he was at 28 or 29 again. Utley is a stud and Howard while a great slugger is worth nowhere near $25 million per season. Plus him and Utley are always hurt. Bottom line, add three years to all the guys I just mentioned and imagine what that team will look like opening day 2014. Also if you think ownership is going to sustain a $140 million dollar payroll your kidding yourself. This is the same ownership group who last winter was too cheap to keep Lee to go with Halladay. As soon as that team slips they'll start dealing guys faster than you can imagine.

As for the Giants I see us between 90-95 wins. The team is young and will with good health be a force for a while. We've got a load of guys under 28 who are impact players and plenty more on the way. Our San Jose Single A team has dominated it's league the past 3 seasons and as baseball fans know that's a big deal. As for ownership not wanting expand payroll, they paid for an entire ballpark themselves! Which includes a $20 million a year loan payment. Rather than stiffing the city like most other teams have done they were creative and actually did it without public financing. Yet another reason this franchise deserves respect.

The Fixer

imalive wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

you could argue that the dodgers lineup is better than the giants. the giants rotation is better, but the dodgers isn't too far behind. don't sleep on LA this year.

I'm curious...how many games do you guys think the giants win this year? you guys seem awfully confident. for the record I think the phils win 95 games with utley for even half the season. without him for the year I'll say 90 (meaning they're in deep shit)

a true giants fan can never even acknowledge the d**gers, much less their relavency.

I'll hope for another year like last - 92 wins, with most of them coming when it matters most.

I understand the giant/dodger rivalry...I just think you guys are taking the dodgers for granted (not that it really means anything since none of us are playing these games).

to whoever said the LA rotation is the same as last year...well, it's not. They have lilly for the entire year this year. kuroda is a pretty damn good #4 starter.

the giants got hot at the right time last year and rode that momentum to a WS win. I just think they will have a tough time sustaining that success into 2011. Their pitching will keep them in it, but I think they're gonna struggle to get into the playoffs again.

should be a fun year...can't wait for the season to start

The Fixer

lastexit78 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

imalive wrote:

I hope you're right

damn, the giants just keep winning in AZ. I'm almost hoping they'll lose a few and save some of these wins for the regular season :shock:

First off, spring training means absolutely nothing unless someone's hurt.

It's good to be jaded by your team and all, but fluke run of the '01 Pats - umm, what? That was the start of a dynasty. Red Sox are a brand. They have money to play with. I wouldn't say SF is either of these.

Who's going to stop you? Colorado will damn sure give you a run for your money(I think they win the division), San Diego is making wise moves, LA - if they can get their shit together financially - will always have a chance to be a player, and Arizona & Towers are making identical moves to SF. It's funny how one championship makes people get ginormous heads - ala Philly in '08(but we're like this in everything though - because in all reality, we just are that fucking awesome), Boston in '04, New York in...all the time.

For some reason your organization doesn't think it has the wherewithall to expand its payroll exponentially - even though SF is a damn big metro area.

Phillies will only be in it a couple more years? ....Rrrrright.

First off the '01 Pats were a fluke. I rooted for them the whole way but Oakland essentially beat them minus a ridiculous rule and the Rams completely took the Super Bowl for granted. Find me a football fan or even a Pats fan that saw a dynasty coming? They didn't even make the playoffs the following season in '02.

You think San Diego is making wise moves? Dealing your best player isn't a wise move. It's a move by a franchise that has no fan base and no money. They are a complete non factor in my book. Colorado looks nice on paper but they've proven to be an inconsistent team over the years. They get hot one or two months a season. Their ballpark will always play mental games with their pitchers. The Dodgers are the real threat. If Kemp, Loney & Eithier perform they could be legit. Although their bullpen stinks, for some reason when comparing our staff to theirs that gets overlooked. Bullpen performance is huge, just ask the Phillies of '09. As for those Phillies what makes you think they are going to be good for more than a few seasons? Halladay and Oswalt will be 34 this season and Lee 33. Hamels is inconsistent from season to season and the bullpen is depending on a 34 year old Lidge who's also inconsistent. I love Rollins but he'll never be the player he was at 28 or 29 again. Utley is a stud and Howard while a great slugger is worth nowhere near $25 million per season. Plus him and Utley are always hurt. Bottom line, add three years to all the guys I just mentioned and imagine what that team will look like opening day 2014. Also if you think ownership is going to sustain a $140 million dollar payroll your kidding yourself. This is the same ownership group who last winter was too cheap to keep Lee to go with Halladay. As soon as that team slips they'll start dealing guys faster than you can imagine.

As for the Giants I see us between 90-95 wins. The team is young and will with good health be a force for a while. We've got a load of guys under 28 who are impact players and plenty more on the way. Our San Jose Single A team has dominated it's league the past 3 seasons and as baseball fans know that's a big deal. As for ownership not wanting expand payroll, they paid for an entire ballpark themselves! Which includes a $20 million a year loan payment. Rather than stiffing the city like most other teams have done they were creative and actually did it without public financing. Yet another reason this franchise deserves respect.

funny that you tout the giants farm system and fail to include that the phils farm system is genearlly ranked in the top 5 in baseball, which makes it superior to the giants, who are generally ranked in the bottom half of MLB (keith law has them 23rd, even with belt in the minors). Fact is that the giants minor leagues have two, maybe three legit prospects right now (brandon belt and zach wheeler...maybe gary brown).

Hamels is inconsistent? OK. Not sure where you got that from.

the phils can sustain a payroll of $140 million per year. Philly is one of the 5 largest media markets in the country and the phils sell out every game. They practically print their own money. The phils have an aging roster, but they have the prospects and the financial resources to be good for a long time.

who gives a shit how the stadium was funded? as a fan I want my team to spend money.

anyway, I'm not trying to turn this into a giants vs phils thread (as a phils fan I could care less about the giants...I just like talking baseball). I just think the giant fanbase is a little too confident going into 2011...especially with their current lineup

Jearlpam0925

The Fixer wrote:

anyway, I'm not trying to turn this into a giants vs phils thread (as a phils fan I could care less about the giants...I just like talking baseball). I just think the giant fanbase is a little too confident going into 2011...especially with their current lineup

Exactly. Nothing wrong with boasting, but - and I thought we were bad after '08 and Boston in '04 - SF I think takes the cake. I'm on the east coast and any comment I EVER seen made from a SF fan on anything is if their team is Superman. It's hilarious - mostly because I know what it was like to be in that situation - but it's funny how SF fans twist things to make sense to themselves. Not like they ever used this same mindset with Bonds or anything....

Like above, I could really care less about the Giants - we play them 6 times this season.(which is all they will see of us in the regular or post-season - what, with you guys not going to be making playoffs and all. :thumbup: )

Johnny Abruzzo

The Phillies' A team Lakewood won the South Atlantic league the last 2 years and was loaded with talent, which will be playing in Clearwater this year. That's your 2014 Phillies. Personally I can't wait to see them!

lastexit78

How is predicting 90-95 wins boasting? The team is clearly capable of winning that many games. They have the best young rotation in baseball. It's not like anybody here is saying they're a lock to win the World Series.

As for the Phillies aging it's just a fact. The Giants have PROVEN young players. Yes our minor league system is not top 10 but that's because Posey, Madison etc are already in the majors. To think the Phillies minor league system can replace the current group and keep winning at the same clip is a fantasy. Especially without Kyle Drabek in the mix. Your window to win it all is likely the next two seasons.

Cole Hamels is not inconsistent? Were you sleeping for the 2009 season when his poor performance pretty much cost you guys another World Series? The guy was terrible, especially in the playoffs.

I'm not even sure how this thread turned into a Giants vs Phillies debate. Perhaps because Phillies fans can't let the NLCS go? I've never once even browsed the Phillies thread, don't even know if there is one. I actually like the current Phillies. Was bummed when you guys lost to the Yankees in '09. I like having a truly elite team in the NL for a change. Makes it a lot sweeter if you can knock that team out like we did last season. Wouldn't have felt nearly as good had we beaten Cincy or some other mediocre team.

beachdweller

Giants young and talented w/good veterans to lead them, Phillies old getting older, Giants will beat the Red Sox in the 2011 World Series, and part of this years run will have them beating Philly again.

Wobbie

shit, I'm heading out the door. I'll have to read all this philly crap ^^^^ later

I'll get back to you guys on that.