Where did I ever say that? People are giving him crap because he doesn't want to lose his plan. They are labeling him as selfish.
Laziness was never brought up until now. Who is making the generalities?
Apologies if I took it the wrong way and while the word "lazy" may not have been used I think it has been claimed numerous times throughout this thread that all this bill would do is support those with no interest in working.
You wacky libs always find a way to make someone feel guilty because they have a good plan and don't want it to change. It isn't being selfish to want to keep the money and benefits you have earned. I'm thinking it is more along the lines of jealousy on your parts. Leave the guy alone.
i don't think its jealousy. i see it as some people have genuine compassion for the 46 million people who don't have access to acceptable, affordable health care, and think that there has to be a better way to provide this for everyone, compared to what we have now.
when people are sick, the last thing they are is jealous. they don't care how big your house is, how much money you have in the bank, how many pairs of shoes you own, or what the latest gadget is you have purchased. they just want to be well, and be in a position to have access to care that will help them remain well.
i love how people are only concerned about themselves. fuck the less fortunate, right? :roll: i am sure this person would be the first one to call you when they are having chest pain. i am waiting for the day when the insurance companies fuck things up so badly that they decide not to cover emergency services so if an uninsured or underinsured person get a bill for $10 grand for the valliant effort of the emts restarting their heart and transportiung them to the hospital for more advanced medical care and they have no way of repaying it, they will have wished they would have been left to die. fuck these insuracnce companies and their bottom line and their profit over people stance!
hmmmn, guess you can only be concerned about yourself if you are a liberal talk show host with future plans for running for Senate and keeping the big bucks to do so.
You wacky libs always find a way to make someone feel guilty because they have a good plan and don't want it to change. It isn't being selfish to want to keep the money and benefits you have earned. I'm thinking it is more along the lines of jealousy on your parts. Leave the guy alone.
i don't think its jealousy. i see it as some people have genuine compassion for the 46 million people who don't have access to acceptable, affordable health care, and think that there has to be a better way to provide this for everyone, compared to what we have now.
when people are sick, the last thing they are is jealous. they don't care how big your house is, how much money you have in the bank, how many pairs of shoes you own, or what the latest gadget is you have purchased. they just want to be well, and be in a position to have access to care that will help them remain well.
funnily enough.
Funnily enough, not everyone gives that impression.
A few quotes...
***i am so tired of selfish people who only think about themselves.
***i love how people are only concerned about themselves. fuck the less fortunate, right?
***yeah, I guess the world revolves around you so there is no need for any changes...you know, since you're happy...
***anyway, good for you...you're super special and do more than others...
***oh, well...you're covered...
***my heart is breaking...oh the pain, the pain....
No I'm wrong those are sincere caring messages posted to the guy who didn't want anything to change with his current plan.
You wacky libs always find a way to make someone feel guilty because they have a good plan and don't want it to change. It isn't being selfish to want to keep the money and benefits you have earned. I'm thinking it is more along the lines of jealousy on your parts. Leave the guy alone.
i don't think its jealousy. i see it as some people have genuine compassion for the 46 million people who don't have access to acceptable, affordable health care, and think that there has to be a better way to provide this for everyone, compared to what we have now.
when people are sick, the last thing they are is jealous. they don't care how big your house is, how much money you have in the bank, how many pairs of shoes you own, or what the latest gadget is you have purchased. they just want to be well, and be in a position to have access to care that will help them remain well.
funnily enough.
Funnily enough, not everyone gives that impression.
A few quotes...
***i am so tired of selfish people who only think about themselves.
***i love how people are only concerned about themselves. fuck the less fortunate, right?
***yeah, I guess the world revolves around you so there is no need for any changes...you know, since you're happy...
***anyway, good for you...you're super special and do more than others...
***oh, well...you're covered...
***my heart is breaking...oh the pain, the pain....
No I'm wrong those are sincere caring messages posted to the guy who didn't want anything to change with his current plan.
mine was the first quote. and i stand by that. just because i might have a super duper wuper amazingly awesome plan that protects me, does not mean that i would be unprepared to pay more if that meant that people less fortunate than me could have better access to health care.
that's the bit you seem to find difficult to grasp.
Maybe it was an assumption but there were plenty of statements that I sited that lead me to believe that.
It just seems that there are many people who like to spend others money and if someone has something that they don't then he is the bad guy and is being selfish.
I have worked my balls off for the last however many years to get where I am. Currently working 70+ hours a week as VP of Product Technology for a software company (Yes, I post wayyyy to much on here so maybe 60 hours, haha)
I am more than happy to give up a few bucks of my salary to help insure the 46 million uninsured. I know for a fact it will not hurt my quality of life but it will help many others.
It is a fucking disgrace that the US does not have universal health care.
If you don't agree with me, I don't give a fuck. I probably think you are a racist and an idiot.
So people that don't want UHC are now racists too?
Hence the word probably, but from the stance I have seen from the right (RNC/FNC), yes ,I would venture to guess that the majority is racist. No accusations to anyone on this board.
i love how people are only concerned about themselves. fuck the less fortunate, right? :roll: i am sure this person would be the first one to call you when they are having chest pain. i am waiting for the day when the insurance companies fuck things up so badly that they decide not to cover emergency services so if an uninsured or underinsured person get a bill for $10 grand for the valliant effort of the emts restarting their heart and transportiung them to the hospital for more advanced medical care and they have no way of repaying it, they will have wished they would have been left to die. fuck these insuracnce companies and their bottom line and their profit over people stance!
hmmmn, guess you can only be concerned about yourself if you are a liberal talk show host with future plans for running for Senate and keeping the big bucks to do so.
you did not answer my original question. would you be a team player and re-negotiate your contract??? i doubt it seriously because given your post history you would argue that you "deserve" that contract or that you "have earned it"...based on your post history, you can not take the high ground in this debate...because you would do the same thing franken did.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
So people that don't want UHC are now racists too?
i would say yes, the majority of them are. if they are not racist, they are at least anti poor. look at the posters on here that complain about UHC, they make up shit like death panels, they believe that the african americans are not going to work, yet steal their "hard earned" health insurance, they are anti immigrant, anti democrat, they are anti obama, and i would bet that given the chance many of them would want to repeal the civil rights legislation...again, i am only assuming by the post history of those that are vehemently anti universal health care that i have seen on here the last year or so....you yourself have gone on and on railing against illegal immigrants, so if you are not racist, you are at the very least xenophobic...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I believe we need uhc, but the present plan is a disaster. Congress needs to continue to work at a compromise. This will sound weird but when both sides feel they have given up too much, and are equally unhappy, that's when you know they have the right plan.
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So people that don't want UHC are now racists too?
i would say yes, the majority of them are. if they are not racist, they are at least anti poor. look at the posters on here that complain about UHC, they make up shit like death panels, they believe that the african americans are not going to work, yet steal their "hard earned" health insurance, they are anti immigrant, anti democrat, they are anti obama, and i would bet that given the chance many of them would want to repeal the civil rights legislation...again, i am only assuming by the post history of those that are vehemently anti universal health care that i have seen on here the last year or so....you yourself have gone on and on railing against illegal immigrants, so if you are not racist, you are at the very least xenophobic...
Yes I am anti-illegal alien, but I've also always said I'm for controlled legal immigration. You do understand the difference, don't you? Legal vs. illegal? I personally have never used the term 'death panel', well until now that is. I all for a health care bill that would stop insurance companied from dropping people who get really sick and for forcing them to take on someone with pre-existing conditions. However this Congress can't seem to do just that, instead they load a bill full of pork, again, and wonder why people get pissed off.
i love how people are only concerned about themselves. fuck the less fortunate, right? :roll: i am sure this person would be the first one to call you when they are having chest pain. i am waiting for the day when the insurance companies fuck things up so badly that they decide not to cover emergency services so if an uninsured or underinsured person get a bill for $10 grand for the valliant effort of the emts restarting their heart and transportiung them to the hospital for more advanced medical care and they have no way of repaying it, they will have wished they would have been left to die. fuck these insuracnce companies and their bottom line and their profit over people stance!
hmmmn, guess you can only be concerned about yourself if you are a liberal talk show host with future plans for running for Senate and keeping the big bucks to do so.
you did not answer my original question. would you be a team player and re-negotiate your contract??? i doubt it seriously because given your post history you would argue that you "deserve" that contract or that you "have earned it"...based on your post history, you can not take the high ground in this debate...because you would do the same thing franken did.
I like how you try to turn this back on me even though you still haven't answered the original question. I'm not the one on the fence. I'd restructure my contract to get deferred payments so that the company could continue to be on the air, and possibly pull through the bad spot. Everyone wins.
All these people that are so gung-ho about health care reform, have you ever really sat back and imagined paying a 40% tax for socialized health care? How do you all suppose insuring everyone in the country isn't going to cost us money? What do other countries pay? 30 or 40 % right? Let's see, if make 20$ an hour at 40 hors you make 800$, minus 40% leaves you with 480$, minus state tax, minus social security, and medicare, what are you left with? Probably three hundred and something dollars.....FUCK THAT! I'm not selling my house so the guy down the street can have health ins.....sorry. The day I pay 40% tax on a 40 hour work week is the day i'll be standing in line collecting well-fare like everybody else. If i'm paying that much tax they can take over my home owners insurance and auto insurance also. You all must make a whole lotta fucking money if you don't mind paying that much tax.
All these people that are so gung-ho about health care reform, have you ever really sat back and imagined paying a 40% tax for socialized health care? How do you all suppose insuring everyone in the country isn't going to cost us money? What do other countries pay? 30 or 40 % right? Let's see, if make 20$ an hour at 40 hors you make 800$, minus 40% leaves you with 480$, minus state tax, minus social security, and medicare, what are you left with? Probably three hundred and something dollars.....FUCK THAT! I'm not selling my house so the guy down the street can have health ins.....sorry. The day I pay 40% tax on a 40 hour work week is the day i'll be standing in line collecting well-fare like everybody else. If i'm paying that much tax they can take over my home owners insurance and auto insurance also. You all must make a whole lotta fucking money if you don't mind paying that much tax.
Who is asking you to pay 40% more of your pay?
Even if we did go to single payer system (which will never happen), income taxes in Canada & UK are marginally higher than the US (maybe 10%)... so you'd have to pay 10% more.
but... you wouldn't pay your monthy contribution to your premium, and neither would your company. Last I checked in my company, our insurance at my job cost the combined employee & company a little over $1000/month. So if your taxes went up 10% and you earned an extra $1000 a month, wouldn't that be in your favor?
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All these people that are so gung-ho about health care reform, have you ever really sat back and imagined paying a 40% tax for socialized health care? How do you all suppose insuring everyone in the country isn't going to cost us money? What do other countries pay? 30 or 40 % right? Let's see, if make 20$ an hour at 40 hors you make 800$, minus 40% leaves you with 480$, minus state tax, minus social security, and medicare, what are you left with? Probably three hundred and something dollars.....FUCK THAT! I'm not selling my house so the guy down the street can have health ins.....sorry. The day I pay 40% tax on a 40 hour work week is the day i'll be standing in line collecting well-fare like everybody else. If i'm paying that much tax they can take over my home owners insurance and auto insurance also. You all must make a whole lotta fucking money if you don't mind paying that much tax.
you would not have your health insurance premiums taken out of your check every pay period, so that might benefit you somewhat and save you several hundred a month...if we were going to single payor and i am fairly certain that you would only be paying medicare tax, because it would essentially be medicare for all. social security tax amounts to hardly anything on my check, i don't even miss that $12 per pay period. the bottom line is taxes are how the government makes its money. if you do not want it to have money to provide services like good roads, snow removal, disaster response, trash pick-up, your state national guard, police and fire department, EMS crews, your military and defense mechanisms, sewer and ground water maintenance so you don't flood every time it rains, etc, etc, then be my guest. i wonder how long you would make it living off the land cut off from society in some wilderness cabin like the unabomber...if i was a government official i would tell you ok, you don't want to pay taxes, then don't bother me or my government employees when you need something..take care of it yourself.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I don’t thank people have any problem with paying taxes. The problem is government is not held accountable for the tax money that is wasted, unaccounted for, or doled out to special interest to pay back favors to line politicians pocket. So it really comes down to if government was held accountable they would not need all the money they collect from us for taxes....because there are billions of dollars of tax payer money wasted.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I don’t thank people have any problem with paying taxes. The problem is government is not held accountable for the tax money that is wasted, unaccounted for, or doled out to special interest to pay back favors to line politicians pocket. So it really comes down to if government was held accountable they would not need all the money they collect from us for taxes....because there are billions of dollars of tax payer money wasted.
wasted is right.
rather sickening that we seem to have plenty of money for war, but not enough for basic Heath Care.
we are a one party system now. there is no opposition.
The constitution was written over 200 years ago for christs sake. Do you know what an amendment is?
"I know, like they totally didn't even have teleprompters back then. I totally don't know who I would have voted for 200 years ago without TV or Eddie Vedder to tell me who to vote for."
The constitution was written over 200 years ago for christs sake. Do you know what an amendment is?
"I know, like they totally didn't even have teleprompters back then. I totally don't know who I would have voted for 200 years ago without TV or Eddie Vedder to tell me who to vote for."
Ya, and back then we could buy niggers for just a little silver...and all these stupid bitches couldn't vote. Why do things have to change??? At least they'll never get my guns. :roll:
So people that don't want UHC are now racists too?
Hence the word probably, but from the stance I have seen from the right (RNC/FNC), yes ,I would venture to guess that the majority is racist. No accusations to anyone on this board.
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Apologies if I took it the wrong way and while the word "lazy" may not have been used I think it has been claimed numerous times throughout this thread that all this bill would do is support those with no interest in working.
my heart is breaking...oh the pain, the pain.... :yawn:
why so testy...?
you say he "earned" the benefits...
tell, for those who don't have the same sweet insurance plan...how would you label them...you know, since they didn't "earn" it...
I'm sure you realize that 1 person can still earn something even though others that fail to get it haven't been lazy.
when people are sick, the last thing they are is jealous. they don't care how big your house is, how much money you have in the bank, how many pairs of shoes you own, or what the latest gadget is you have purchased. they just want to be well, and be in a position to have access to care that will help them remain well.
funnily enough.
hmmmn, guess you can only be concerned about yourself if you are a liberal talk show host with future plans for running for Senate and keeping the big bucks to do so.
I'm not testy. I just don't see any justification for punishing someone or giving someone crap over their want to keep their plan unmolested.
Funnily enough, not everyone gives that impression.
A few quotes...
***i am so tired of selfish people who only think about themselves.
***i love how people are only concerned about themselves. fuck the less fortunate, right?
***yeah, I guess the world revolves around you so there is no need for any changes...you know, since you're happy...
***anyway, good for you...you're super special and do more than others...
***oh, well...you're covered...
***my heart is breaking...oh the pain, the pain....
No I'm wrong those are sincere caring messages posted to the guy who didn't want anything to change with his current plan.
mine was the first quote. and i stand by that. just because i might have a super duper wuper amazingly awesome plan that protects me, does not mean that i would be unprepared to pay more if that meant that people less fortunate than me could have better access to health care.
that's the bit you seem to find difficult to grasp.
Which part of that did I fail to grasp?
It just seems that there are many people who like to spend others money and if someone has something that they don't then he is the bad guy and is being selfish.
I have great health insurance.
I have worked my balls off for the last however many years to get where I am. Currently working 70+ hours a week as VP of Product Technology for a software company (Yes, I post wayyyy to much on here so maybe 60 hours, haha)
I am more than happy to give up a few bucks of my salary to help insure the 46 million uninsured. I know for a fact it will not hurt my quality of life but it will help many others.
It is a fucking disgrace that the US does not have universal health care.
If you don't agree with me, I don't give a fuck. I probably think you are a racist and an idiot.
Hence the word probably, but from the stance I have seen from the right (RNC/FNC), yes ,I would venture to guess that the majority is racist. No accusations to anyone on this board.
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Yes I am anti-illegal alien, but I've also always said I'm for controlled legal immigration. You do understand the difference, don't you? Legal vs. illegal? I personally have never used the term 'death panel', well until now that is. I all for a health care bill that would stop insurance companied from dropping people who get really sick and for forcing them to take on someone with pre-existing conditions. However this Congress can't seem to do just that, instead they load a bill full of pork, again, and wonder why people get pissed off.
I like how you try to turn this back on me even though you still haven't answered the original question. I'm not the one on the fence. I'd restructure my contract to get deferred payments so that the company could continue to be on the air, and possibly pull through the bad spot. Everyone wins.
Who is asking you to pay 40% more of your pay?
Even if we did go to single payer system (which will never happen), income taxes in Canada & UK are marginally higher than the US (maybe 10%)... so you'd have to pay 10% more.
but... you wouldn't pay your monthy contribution to your premium, and neither would your company. Last I checked in my company, our insurance at my job cost the combined employee & company a little over $1000/month. So if your taxes went up 10% and you earned an extra $1000 a month, wouldn't that be in your favor?
was like a picture
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
rather sickening that we seem to have plenty of money for war, but not enough for basic Heath Care.
we are a one party system now. there is no opposition.
Ya, and back then we could buy niggers for just a little silver...and all these stupid bitches couldn't vote. Why do things have to change??? At least they'll never get my guns. :roll:
Wow, just wow.
This is what Fox News and Keith Obermann and the like have brought us. Nice work.
i only know most of you people by your words and posts, and those words and posts give that impression a lot of the time...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."