Yeah, this thread is about reminding Massachusetts residents to vote on January 19. So make sure to vote on January 19 everyone in Mass!
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Why is it silly to want to keep the ins. I got. You need to look at the whole picture please. The report that republicans don't care is getting really obnoxious. I would love to see everyone in america get health care while people like myself could keeep there current plan but that is not Obamas agenda.
Another common misconception. You're not going to lose your current insurance.
I don't believe that for one split second. Why would you think otherwise? If this horrible legislation would have gone through (but thank God it's not going to now) that's exactly what would have happened. Folks like me with awesome employer-funded Blue Cross/Blue Shield health insurance would either be taxed at 40% or our employer would take that insurance away and go with a less expensive plan that wouldn't provide near the benefits that our current plan does. The unions were going to get a pass on this 40% tax, but the rest of us were going to get absolutely hammered. This would have been a very punitive measure on the middle class in this country.
United Center (Chicago): 8/24/09
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
Why is it silly to want to keep the ins. I got. You need to look at the whole picture please. The report that republicans don't care is getting really obnoxious. I would love to see everyone in america get health care while people like myself could keeep there current plan but that is not Obamas agenda.
Another common misconception. You're not going to lose your current insurance.
I don't believe that for one split second. Why would you think otherwise? If this horrible legislation would have gone through (but thank God it's not going to now) that's exactly what would have happened. Folks like me with awesome employer-funded Blue Cross/Blue Shield health insurance would either be taxed at 40% or our employer would take that insurance away and go with a less expensive plan that wouldn't provide near the benefits that our current plan does. The unions were going to get a pass on this 40% tax, but the rest of us were going to get absolutely hammered. This would have been a very punitive measure on the middle class in this country.
yeah...I just want my Health Insurance rates to continue rising...year after year I get to pay more for less...
Why is it silly to want to keep the ins. I got. You need to look at the whole picture please. The report that republicans don't care is getting really obnoxious. I would love to see everyone in america get health care while people like myself could keeep there current plan but that is not Obamas agenda.
Another common misconception. You're not going to lose your current insurance.
Do I really need to post the link where Obama says he supports single payer system.........AGAIN?
The fact that one of the most liberal states in america voted for Brown says ALOT!! Even Obama and his collegues are taking notice to this....why is it so hard for some of you to see this? Chances are, if Ma. feels this way....so doesn't alot of other blue states.
It's not that simple. People here had a lot of different reasons to vote for Brown, with Coakley's pathetic campaign and the corrupt leadership of Mass Dems being the major reasons, I think. Also, we already have a universal-ish health care plan similar to Obama's, and it was signed into law by Mitt Romney.
Could you please explain your universalish health care system.
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The fact that one of the most liberal states in america voted for Brown says ALOT!! Even Obama and his collegues are taking notice to this....why is it so hard for some of you to see this? Chances are, if Ma. feels this way....so doesn't alot of other blue states.
It's not that simple. People here had a lot of different reasons to vote for Brown, with Coakley's pathetic campaign and the corrupt leadership of Mass Dems being the major reasons, I think. Also, we already have a universal-ish health care plan similar to Obama's, and it was signed into law by Mitt Romney.
Could you please explain your universalish health care system.
You may get a better picture of Massachusetts health care reform and why Coakley lost with this article.
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.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Why is it silly to want to keep the ins. I got. You need to look at the whole picture please. The report that republicans don't care is getting really obnoxious. I would love to see everyone in america get health care while people like myself could keeep there current plan but that is not Obamas agenda.
Another common misconception. You're not going to lose your current insurance.
I don't believe that for one split second. Why would you think otherwise? If this horrible legislation would have gone through (but thank God it's not going to now) that's exactly what would have happened. Folks like me with awesome employer-funded Blue Cross/Blue Shield health insurance would either be taxed at 40% or our employer would take that insurance away and go with a less expensive plan that wouldn't provide near the benefits that our current plan does. The unions were going to get a pass on this 40% tax, but the rest of us were going to get absolutely hammered. This would have been a very punitive measure on the middle class in this country.
Are you under a single plan or a family plan? I just can't see that many people with family plans getting over the $23,000 threshold for the 40% tax to kick in... that's a premium of almost $2,000 a month. We have pretty darn good insurance, and it's about half that.
Even a single plan of $8.500 is kinda high, and the tax would only be on the difference over $8,500, not the entire amount.
If a family plan costs over $23,000 a year, than I think the bigger issue is why the hell does it cost so much for health insurance in the first place!
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
to all the people throwing their fist in the air and proclaiming loudly that you 'won'...
what exactly did you win again?
the same crappy, outdated, not working system that you already have, where the only real winner is the insurance companies.
congratulations.
you must feel very proud. stay well.
Why do I feel proud? It means that I get to keep the same exact insurance plan that I currently have. I'm very blessed in that I don't pay a dime toward any premiums - my employer pays 100% of my premiums. The only thing I pay are very low co-pays. Even my co-workers who have family coverage don't pay any premiums. Needless to say, I work for a very generous organization.
I realize that there are people who don't have access to the insurance that I'm fortunate to have, but this most recent proposal by the liberals and the president is not what this country needed; it would have done much more harm than good.
United Center (Chicago): 8/24/09
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
i'm so tired of people saying they don't want the government to have control over their health because they will fuck it up.
keep putting your trust in the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies who have been ripping off people for years. It's almost laughable if it wasn't so damn ludicrous. It's people like you who are so hell bent on shouting down the public option, that seem to have no clue, that all you are doing is lobbying to keep pouring money into the pockets of insurance companies who are the ones rationing healthcare today.
and if you don't trust the government to look after your health, i trust you won't be a hypocrite and call government paid/run emergency service personnel, and their equipment. we'd hate you to not trust us with your health, so don't bother. you can't pick and choose just because it suits YOU. i am so tired of selfish people who only think about themselves.
to all the people throwing their fist in the air and proclaiming loudly that you 'won'...
what exactly did you win again?
the same crappy, outdated, not working system that you already have, where the only real winner is the insurance companies.
congratulations.
you must feel very proud. stay well.
Why do I feel proud? It means that I get to keep the same exact insurance plan that I currently have. I'm very blessed in that I don't pay a dime toward any premiums - my employer pays 100% of my premiums. The only thing I pay are very low co-pays. Even my co-workers who have family coverage don't pay any premiums. Needless to say, I work for a very generous organization.
I realize that there are people who don't have access to the insurance that I'm fortunate to have, but this most recent proposal by the liberals and the president is not what this country needed; it would have done much more harm than good.
i'm glad you work for a generous organization and have a decent plan. i mean that sincerely.
it's the other 46 million people who aren't quite so fortunate that i feel for.
to all the people throwing their fist in the air and proclaiming loudly that you 'won'...
what exactly did you win again?
the same crappy, outdated, not working system that you already have, where the only real winner is the insurance companies.
congratulations.
you must feel very proud. stay well.
Why do I feel proud? It means that I get to keep the same exact insurance plan that I currently have. I'm very blessed in that I don't pay a dime toward any premiums - my employer pays 100% of my premiums. The only thing I pay are very low co-pays. Even my co-workers who have family coverage don't pay any premiums. Needless to say, I work for a very generous organization.
I realize that there are people who don't have access to the insurance that I'm fortunate to have, but this most recent proposal by the liberals and the president is not what this country needed; it would have done much more harm than good.
i'm glad you work for a generous organization and have a decent plan. i mean that sincerely.
it's the other 46 million people who aren't quite so fortunate that i feel for.
i love how people are only concerned about themselves. fuck the less fortunate, right? :roll: i am sure this person would be the first one to call you when they are having chest pain. i am waiting for the day when the insurance companies fuck things up so badly that they decide not to cover emergency services so if an uninsured or underinsured person get a bill for $10 grand for the valliant effort of the emts restarting their heart and transportiung them to the hospital for more advanced medical care and they have no way of repaying it, they will have wished they would have been left to die. fuck these insuracnce companies and their bottom line and their profit over people stance!
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i'm so tired of people saying they don't want the government to have control over their health because they will fuck it up.
keep putting your trust in the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies who have been ripping off people for years. It's almost laughable if it wasn't so damn ludicrous. It's people like you who are so hell bent on shouting down the public option, that seem to have no clue, that all you are doing is lobbying to keep pouring money into the pockets of insurance companies who are the ones rationing healthcare today.
and if you don't trust the government to look after your health, i trust you won't be a hypocrite and call government paid/run emergency service personnel, and their equipment. we'd hate you to not trust us with your health, so don't bother. you can't pick and choose just because it suits YOU. i am so tired of selfish people who only think about themselves.
Exactly!!!!! Not even governments are as corrupt as insurance companies. You hit the nail on the head.
to all the people throwing their fist in the air and proclaiming loudly that you 'won'...
what exactly did you win again?
the same crappy, outdated, not working system that you already have, where the only real winner is the insurance companies.
congratulations.
you must feel very proud. stay well.
Why do I feel proud? It means that I get to keep the same exact insurance plan that I currently have. I'm very blessed in that I don't pay a dime toward any premiums - my employer pays 100% of my premiums. The only thing I pay are very low co-pays. Even my co-workers who have family coverage don't pay any premiums. Needless to say, I work for a very generous organization.
I realize that there are people who don't have access to the insurance that I'm fortunate to have, but this most recent proposal by the liberals and the president is not what this country needed; it would have done much more harm than good.
yeah, I guess the world revolves around you so there is no need for any changes...you know, since you're happy...
Are you under a single plan or a family plan? I just can't see that many people with family plans getting over the $23,000 threshold for the 40% tax to kick in... that's a premium of almost $2,000 a month. We have pretty darn good insurance, and it's about half that.
Even a single plan of $8.500 is kinda high, and the tax would only be on the difference over $8,500, not the entire amount.
If a family plan costs over $23,000 a year, than I think the bigger issue is why the hell does it cost so much for health insurance in the first place!
Thank you for explaining this to these people. They still won't believe it though.
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to all the people throwing their fist in the air and proclaiming loudly that you 'won'...
what exactly did you win again?
the same crappy, outdated, not working system that you already have, where the only real winner is the insurance companies.
congratulations.
you must feel very proud. stay well.
Why do I feel proud? It means that I get to keep the same exact insurance plan that I currently have. I'm very blessed in that I don't pay a dime toward any premiums - my employer pays 100% of my premiums. The only thing I pay are very low co-pays. Even my co-workers who have family coverage don't pay any premiums. Needless to say, I work for a very generous organization.
I realize that there are people who don't have access to the insurance that I'm fortunate to have, but this most recent proposal by the liberals and the president is not what this country needed; it would have done much more harm than good.
yeah, I guess the world revolves around you so there is no need for any changes...you know, since you're happy...
The majority of the country feels the same way I do, so I'm certainly in good company. I happen to be a fiscally conservative independent and I don't want to see the middle-class in this country continue to have to carry the load for those who refuse to contribute in a meaningful way to society. And yes, my insurance plan would have been subject to this 40% tax.
I'm definitely not selfish. A large percentage of my annual income goes to charitable donations. I guarantee you that I've donated more to Haiti relief than the average outspoken liberal on this Pearl Jam message board. I also work for a national non-profit civil rights organization (one that I'm sure most of you have heard of) and as a result, I'm involved in helping people who need it most every day of my life.
United Center (Chicago): 8/24/09
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
Hopefully, now that 1 party can't just cram through their pork-filled bs, we can get a good piece of legislation. I'm not holding my breathe though.
Good call on not holding your breath... instead of one party's pork and special interests, it will be watered down with both parties' pork and special interests
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
You wacky libs always find a way to make someone feel guilty because they have a good plan and don't want it to change. It isn't being selfish to want to keep the money and benefits you have earned. I'm thinking it is more along the lines of jealousy on your parts. Leave the guy alone.
The majority of the country feels the same way I do, so I'm certainly in good company. I happen to be a fiscally conservative independent and I don't want to see the middle-class in this country continue to have to carry the load for those who refuse to contribute in a meaningful way to society. And yes, my insurance plan would have been subject to this 40% tax.
I'm definitely not selfish. A large percentage of my annual income goes to charitable donations. I guarantee you that I've donated more to Haiti relief than the average outspoken liberal on this Pearl Jam message board. I also work for a national non-profit civil rights organization (one that I'm sure most of you have heard of) and as a result, I'm involved in helping people who need it most every day of my life.
the majority, huh....?
anyway, good for you...you're super special and do more than others...I'm a happy for you...
I'm glad you'll be able to keep your current plan...
too bad that others will go bankrupt once an illness hits...
You wacky libs always find a way to make someone feel guilty because they have a good plan and don't want it to change. It isn't being selfish to want to keep the money and benefits you have earned. I'm thinking it is more along the lines of jealousy on your parts. Leave the guy alone.
suddenly you care about others and their perceived guilt....
Where did I ever say that? People are giving him crap because he doesn't want to lose his plan. They are labeling him as selfish.
Laziness was never brought up until now. Who is making the generalities?
where in ANY of the house or senate bills does it say "you are going to lose your coverage with this new plan"???
obama has said on the record several times that "if you like your plan you do not have to change a thing".
stop pointing fingers at the progressives when people in this thread are scared and worried about a boogeyman that has never ever existed! the right and some of the people in this thread are exuding amazing ignorance of the bills involved.
you say a majority of people are against the bill. they are against the current form of it NOW because it is so watered down. look at all the polls from 12 months ago to about 4 months ago when over 70% of everyone asked was in favor of health care reform with a robust, strong public OPTION...now that the public option is dead, hardly anyone is pleased with it, thank you very much mr liebermann, mr nelson, and ms snowe...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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It's pretty messed up the city spent millions trying to get the olympics but had to lay off some of their sanitation workers.
Back to the gun thread, dozens of schoolkids were shot last year by those banned handguns. I just don't see how it is possible.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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I don't believe that for one split second. Why would you think otherwise? If this horrible legislation would have gone through (but thank God it's not going to now) that's exactly what would have happened. Folks like me with awesome employer-funded Blue Cross/Blue Shield health insurance would either be taxed at 40% or our employer would take that insurance away and go with a less expensive plan that wouldn't provide near the benefits that our current plan does. The unions were going to get a pass on this 40% tax, but the rest of us were going to get absolutely hammered. This would have been a very punitive measure on the middle class in this country.
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
yeah...I just want my Health Insurance rates to continue rising...year after year I get to pay more for less...
hooray for the current system...
Do I really need to post the link where Obama says he supports single payer system.........AGAIN?
Could you please explain your universalish health care system.
Why Coakley Really Lost: Massachusetts' Health Care 'Reform'
You may get a better picture of Massachusetts health care reform and why Coakley lost with this article.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Are you under a single plan or a family plan? I just can't see that many people with family plans getting over the $23,000 threshold for the 40% tax to kick in... that's a premium of almost $2,000 a month. We have pretty darn good insurance, and it's about half that.
Even a single plan of $8.500 is kinda high, and the tax would only be on the difference over $8,500, not the entire amount.
If a family plan costs over $23,000 a year, than I think the bigger issue is why the hell does it cost so much for health insurance in the first place!
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
what exactly did you win again?
the same crappy, outdated, not working system that you already have, where the only real winner is the insurance companies.
congratulations.
you must feel very proud. stay well.
Why do I feel proud? It means that I get to keep the same exact insurance plan that I currently have. I'm very blessed in that I don't pay a dime toward any premiums - my employer pays 100% of my premiums. The only thing I pay are very low co-pays. Even my co-workers who have family coverage don't pay any premiums. Needless to say, I work for a very generous organization.
I realize that there are people who don't have access to the insurance that I'm fortunate to have, but this most recent proposal by the liberals and the president is not what this country needed; it would have done much more harm than good.
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
keep putting your trust in the insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies who have been ripping off people for years. It's almost laughable if it wasn't so damn ludicrous. It's people like you who are so hell bent on shouting down the public option, that seem to have no clue, that all you are doing is lobbying to keep pouring money into the pockets of insurance companies who are the ones rationing healthcare today.
and if you don't trust the government to look after your health, i trust you won't be a hypocrite and call government paid/run emergency service personnel, and their equipment. we'd hate you to not trust us with your health, so don't bother. you can't pick and choose just because it suits YOU. i am so tired of selfish people who only think about themselves.
it's the other 46 million people who aren't quite so fortunate that i feel for.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Exactly!!!!! Not even governments are as corrupt as insurance companies. You hit the nail on the head.
yeah, I guess the world revolves around you so there is no need for any changes...you know, since you're happy...
Thank you for explaining this to these people. They still won't believe it though.
Philly-8/28/98, 8/29/98, 9/1/00, 9/2/00, 4/28/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 10/3/05, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 4/28/16, 4/29/16
Jones Beach-8/25/00
PSU-5/3/03
Irvine-6/2/03
San Diego-6/5/03
Hershey-7/12/03
Reading-10/1/04
The Gorge-9/1/05
Vancouver-9/2/05
AC-9/30/05
E. Rutherford, NJ-6/1/06,6/3/06
Bonnaroo-6/14/08
VA Beach-6/17/08
MSG-5/20/10,5/21/10
Baltimore 10/27/13
The majority of the country feels the same way I do, so I'm certainly in good company. I happen to be a fiscally conservative independent and I don't want to see the middle-class in this country continue to have to carry the load for those who refuse to contribute in a meaningful way to society. And yes, my insurance plan would have been subject to this 40% tax.
I'm definitely not selfish. A large percentage of my annual income goes to charitable donations. I guarantee you that I've donated more to Haiti relief than the average outspoken liberal on this Pearl Jam message board. I also work for a national non-profit civil rights organization (one that I'm sure most of you have heard of) and as a result, I'm involved in helping people who need it most every day of my life.
Gibson Amphitheatre (Los Angeles): 10/7/09
Hopefully, now that 1 party can't just cram through their pork-filled bs, we can get a good piece of legislation. I'm not holding my breathe though.
Good call on not holding your breath... instead of one party's pork and special interests, it will be watered down with both parties' pork and special interests
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
the majority, huh....?
anyway, good for you...you're super special and do more than others...I'm a happy for you...
I'm glad you'll be able to keep your current plan...
too bad that others will go bankrupt once an illness hits...
oh, well...you're covered... :thumbup:
suddenly you care about others and their perceived guilt....
Not everyone who are without insurance are in that position because they are lazy. Stop making generalities.
Laziness was never brought up until now. Who is making the generalities?
obama has said on the record several times that "if you like your plan you do not have to change a thing".
stop pointing fingers at the progressives when people in this thread are scared and worried about a boogeyman that has never ever existed! the right and some of the people in this thread are exuding amazing ignorance of the bills involved.
you say a majority of people are against the bill. they are against the current form of it NOW because it is so watered down. look at all the polls from 12 months ago to about 4 months ago when over 70% of everyone asked was in favor of health care reform with a robust, strong public OPTION...now that the public option is dead, hardly anyone is pleased with it, thank you very much mr liebermann, mr nelson, and ms snowe...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."