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Indifference

woohoo!!!!!!!!!!

WaveCameCrashin

The people have spoken. N.J.,V.A.,and now Mass. And they said it would never happen. This was a vote for the whole country, Now we can stop this madness. Thank you Massachusetts.

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prfctlefts wrote:

The people have spoken. N.J.,V.A.,and now Mass. And they said it would never happen. This was a vote for the whole country, Now we can stop this madness. Thank you Massachusetts.

Too funny.

Peace

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

The people have spoken. N.J.,V.A.,and now Mass. And they said it would never happen. This was a vote for the whole country, Now we can stop this madness. Thank you Massachusetts.

in the grand scheme of things this election result is meaningless for 3 reasons...

1. the dems hold the white house

2. the dems have a very wide majority in the house

and

3. the dems have a 59-41 majority in the senate, all it takes is a vote of 51-49 to pass any legislation...so the only thing the gop won is the ability to filibuster and continue with their M.O. of being "the party of no"....

congrats to the gop on this one...

and to the people of Mass, i hope you get what you voted for....

Dirtie_Frank

Actually it is 57 Democrats 41 Republicans and 2 Independents. Just saying

Dirtie_Frank

This is also a wake up call for the Dems. Sort of like if a Dem won a senate seat in Texas.

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gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

The people have spoken. N.J.,V.A.,and now Mass. And they said it would never happen. This was a vote for the whole country, Now we can stop this madness. Thank you Massachusetts.

in the grand scheme of things this election result is meaningless for 3 reasons...

1. the dems hold the white house

2. the dems have a very wide majority in the house

and

3. the dems have a 59-41 majority in the senate, all it takes is a vote of 51-49 to pass any legislation...so the only thing the gop won is the ability to filibuster and continue with their M.O. of being "the party of no"....

congrats to the gop on this one...

and to the people of Mass, i hope you get what you voted for....

My mother just called asking who won and I told her, we both agree what happened tonight won't be much of a factor a year from now. From the former home of my youth congrats to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

Go Sox

Peace

youngster

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

3. the dems have a 59-41 majority in the senate, all it takes is a vote of 51-49 to pass any legislation...so the only thing the gop won is the ability to filibuster and continue with their M.O. of being "the party of no"....

Actually, the Dems need 60 votes to pass legislation. Now that Scott Brown is the 41st Republican, he literally holds the deciding vote on the healthcare vote. That is assuming the 2 Independants vote in the Dems favor and they don't use Paul Kirk's vote and push this thing through before they seat Scott Brown.

gimmesometruth27

cropduster82 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

3. the dems have a 59-41 majority in the senate, all it takes is a vote of 51-49 to pass any legislation...so the only thing the gop won is the ability to filibuster and continue with their M.O. of being "the party of no"....

Actually, the Dems need 60 votes to pass legislation. Now that Scott Brown is the 41st Republican, he literally holds the deciding vote on the healthcare vote. That is assuming the 2 Independants vote in the Dems favor and they don't use Paul Kirk's vote and push this thing through before they seat Scott Brown.

i'm sorry but you are wrong. 60 votes are needed for cloture, and it prevents a filibuster by the minority party and ends debate and allows the bill to move on for final vote. in the senate it takes a majority vote 51-49 to pass legislation. if there is a 50-50 vote the vice president (who is the president of the senate) is the tiebreaking vote. you are talking about needing 60 votes to move forward with healthcare because without 60 votes the gop will filibuster (as usual) and prevent the bill from coming up for a final vote. this is government 101, or civics class basics....

youngster

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

cropduster82 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

3. the dems have a 59-41 majority in the senate, all it takes is a vote of 51-49 to pass any legislation...so the only thing the gop won is the ability to filibuster and continue with their M.O. of being "the party of no"....

Actually, the Dems need 60 votes to pass legislation. Now that Scott Brown is the 41st Republican, he literally holds the deciding vote on the healthcare vote. That is assuming the 2 Independants vote in the Dems favor and they don't use Paul Kirk's vote and push this thing through before they seat Scott Brown.

i'm sorry but you are wrong. 60 votes prevents a filibuster and ends debate and allows the bill to move on for final vote. in the senate it takes a majority vote 51-49 to pass legislation. if there is a 50-50 vote the vice president (who is the president of the senate) is the tiebreaking vote. you are talking about needing 60 votes to move forward with healthcare because without 60 votes the gop will filibuster (as usual) and prevent the bill from coming up for a final vote. this is government 101, or civics class basics....

Yeah, you're right. I was thinking the non-filibuster way. Hey, it's been a long time since I was in social studies so these things get muddled. I admit when I am wrong though.

gimmesometruth27

cropduster82 wrote:

Yeah, you're right. I was thinking the non-filibuster way. Hey, it's been a long time since I was in social studies so these things get muddled. I admit when I am wrong though.

no worries, its hard to keep everything straight when all we hear about in the news is "the dems need 60 votes to do anything" it gets confusing...i think people focus on the 60 votes for the wrong reasons, if you don't get the 60, the debate continues indefinitely until you get the 60 votes to end debate.

brandon10

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

This is also a wake up call for the Dems. Sort of like if a Dem won a senate seat in Texas.

Or sort of like when the Dem won North Carolina, New Mexico, Virginia, and Colorodo a little over a year ago?

FenwayFaithful

We won, guys...we won.

MrMerkinball

FenwayFaithful wrote:

We won, guys...we won.

I'd respectfully like to ask a question coming from a neutral outsider.

What exactly did you win?

Most of you (on this forum) seem very well educated on these issues, and I'd like some insight.

Can someone breifly explain to me why such a great country wouldn't want healthcare reform? I see all of the protests against healthcare - and I guess I just don't get it.

When I lived in the US, my daughter had to go to the emergency room because of a simple accident and it cost me thousands out of pocket. Coming from Canada, that was a shock to the system.

Again - I am not trying to be disrespectful of your Country, I am just curious.

Jeanwah

MrMerkinball wrote:

FenwayFaithful wrote:

We won, guys...we won.

I'd respectfully like to ask a question coming from a neutral outsider.

What exactly did you win?

I was going to say the same thing. What do you people think you won, exactly??

MG79478

MrMerkinball wrote:

FenwayFaithful wrote:

We won, guys...we won.

I'd respectfully like to ask a question coming from a neutral outsider.

What exactly did you win?

Most of you (on this forum) seem very well educated on these issues, and I'd like some insight.

Can someone breifly explain to me why such a great country wouldn't want healthcare reform? I see all of the protests against healthcare - and I guess I just don't get it.

When I lived in the US, my daughter had to go to the emergency room because of a simple accident and it cost me thousands out of pocket. Coming from Canada, that was a shock to the system.

Again - I am not trying to be disrespectful of your Country, I am just curious.

It's a blow to Obama's socialist agenda. It's a win for those of us who respect the constitution and want our country back!

There is nothing wrong with Healthcare reform. What we don't want is this socialized medicine, government run, Obama-Care garbage. The real problem in this country is culture, not healthcare. People have no forsight. They just want free stuff and they want it now. They don't care who and how it gets paid for. They don't care that it will discourage future doctors from going to med school and slowly lower the quality of care available.

Secondly, people don't want to be responsible for themselves. You don't NEED a flat screen TV, you want it. You NEED healthcare. People spend their money on want they want, then want someone to give them what the NEED. It's like showing up at a soup kitchen for a free meal, but having a cell phone.....

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Jeanwah wrote:

MrMerkinball wrote:

FenwayFaithful wrote:

We won, guys...we won.

I'd respectfully like to ask a question coming from a neutral outsider.

What exactly did you win?

I was going to say the same thing. What do you people think you won, exactly??

I gather some are believing they're winning back their country little by little, basically something, anything that gets them excited gives them the feeling of victory. :roll: More power to them.

Peace

Kanye East

Only an ignoramus would call the current health care bill "Obama care".

MrMerkinball

MG79478 wrote:

MrMerkinball wrote:

FenwayFaithful wrote:

We won, guys...we won.

I'd respectfully like to ask a question coming from a neutral outsider.

What exactly did you win?

Most of you (on this forum) seem very well educated on these issues, and I'd like some insight.

Can someone breifly explain to me why such a great country wouldn't want healthcare reform? I see all of the protests against healthcare - and I guess I just don't get it.

When I lived in the US, my daughter had to go to the emergency room because of a simple accident and it cost me thousands out of pocket. Coming from Canada, that was a shock to the system.

Again - I am not trying to be disrespectful of your Country, I am just curious.

It's a blow to Obama's socialist agenda. It's a win for those of us who respect the constitution and want our country back!

I suppose this is the statement that confuses me most. I don't beleive I live in a socialist country, yet I never have to worry about "what if I get sick".

I know I pay a lot of taxes, but I have had three children and in that process spent 7 nights in a private room in a hospital and it cost me a total of $70 and that was for the cable TV.

How has Obama "dis-respected" the Constitution? Isn't he pushing a plan that he promised to push when he was elected?

Kanye East

I suppose this is the statement that confuses me most. I don't beleive I live in a socialist country, yet I never have to worry about "what if I get sick".

I know I pay a lot of taxes, but I have had three children and in that process spent 7 nights in a private room in a hospital and it cost me a total of $70 and that was for the cable TV.

How has Obama "dis-respected" the Constitution? Isn't he pushing a plan that he promised to push when he was elected?

I love the fact that someone from another country is questioning this. Makes republicans and their opinions seem so silly.