What should be done with welfare mothers?

KDH12

JB811 wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

Section 8 should be limited to certain properties, not those that exceed the ability for one to maintain it.


I wasn't asking if you had conversations with the person that bought the house but if you talked with the section 8 folks... something like a "hey it seems your lawn is a bit overgrown, want to borrow my lawnmower"

and limiting section 8 "to certain properties" sounds like segregation in a new era... just saying

and crime has nothing to do with any of this especially welfare moms as you guys call them, did crime in your neighborhood go up cause of a few section 8 renters? So why bring it up?

Oh that's priceless. So now I'm supposed to work a full time job, maintain my own home, then give my things over to let someone cut their grass? I don't think so. If their lawnmower took a dump, yeah I'd help out. But to simply not own one? Nope. Go rent a townhouse where it is cut for you. I seriously wish I could post pictures here. Let's see first they watered the new sod so it would take, then that stopped once the first water bill came in. Then the weeds got as high as the AC. The city had to come out to cut their weeds down. Then since the sod died the homeowner's association had to replace it. More money out of my pocket since someone can't take care of where they live. Not to mention the police being at these places multiple times a week.

This is from my own personal experience and I know NOT everyone having public aid is like that. However a few bad apples around me spoiled my outlook.

Yes it should be limited to certain porperties. They should not live in luxury, they can't even maintain the property when it is being paid for by someone else. They should be somewhere that they can maintain. It is like anything else in life, you don't live beyond your means.

Yes the crime was directly brought up by these renters. I'm sure the police reports and evictions are public records. You want the addresses? I can give you five.

Yes I would expect you to loan things out to neighbors that might not have them... obviously if they were on section 8 they could not afford a garage full of tools. I just bought my first house and it would take me 5-10K to acquire everything that I need to manage a house. I can not go out and drop that amount tomorrow I will need to borrow a few things a long the way.

that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help

additionally I am willing to be that 90% of your complaints are issues with the landlord. I have rented most of my life and usually those sorts of things including cutting grass, shoveling snow fixing appliance etc are the responsibility of the landlord.... that is the advantage of renting and paying someone else's mortgage

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KDH12 wrote:

that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help

You'd think that people who think there's a problem would be willing to do what they can to help solve the problem, wouldn't you? Seems like a reasonable assumption to me. But I'm noticing more and more that some people don't really want results; they just want someone to blame. Frankly, I don't view those people as being much better than those at whom they are pointing their fingers. What's that saying? When you point your finger at someone you're pointing 3 more back at yourself.

This guy even said that a few bad apples spoiled his outlook, so it sounds like he knows part of the problem is his own perception. Yet he doesn't seem to be doing anything about that - only perpetuating his admittedly inaccurate perspective.

brandon10

Heineken Helen wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

Personal responibilities are exactly right. And I take personal responsibility. If any female decides not to share her pregnacy or problems with the men they have slept with, that's their choice. But I'd say that would be the second bad decision they made in that scenerio. I am 99.9999% sure I have never been involved in an unintended pregnancy.

Women unfortunately don't have the luxury of that 0.0001%. That 0.0001% is the difference between never giving it another thought and being a single mother :oops: . If you're not 100%, you may as well be 1%... you really don't know if a kid's gonna come lookin for you at some point.

I really didn't understand your post at all. You took my comment out of context. The only reason my percentage was not 100% was because I was giving in to SCB's claim that women don't tell men everything. But I can tell you that I am 100% sure that I do not have a child. I'm not sure why you would make some weird post like you know me or my personal life :?: You don't.

Anon

KDH12 wrote:

Yes I would expect you to loan things out to neighbors that might not have them... obviously if they were on section 8 they could not afford a garage full of tools. I just bought my first house and it would take me 5-10K to acquire everything that I need to manage a house. I can not go out and drop that amount tomorrow I will need to borrow a few things a long the way.

that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help

additionally I am willing to be that 90% of your complaints are issues with the landlord. I have rented most of my life and usually those sorts of things including cutting grass, shoveling snow fixing appliance etc are the responsibility of the landlord.... that is the advantage of renting and paying someone else's mortgage

I'm not expecting them to have 10k in tools as you say. But I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for. With your philosophy should I also pay for gas for their car? Same concept.

The only things the landlords did was inflate the prices by selling them back and forth to family members. As I mentioned in a previous reply the FBI was investigating them for mortgage fraud.

Kind of funny how some bleeding hearts blame ME for this. I should cut their grass, I should loan them tools. Whatever happened to holding people responsible for their actions? Oh no it's MY fault their high school age kids threatened grade schoolers with baseball bats. It's MY fault they screamed at people out their front window.

No see I PAID for MY house and I don't want the problems that we as a neighborhood had. As a paying homeowner I have that right.

Apparently it is not politically correct to want to live to a higher standard anymore, even though I pay for it.

But I digress I know not everyone receiving aid was like the people I lived next to and there are truly good people who need help. These people were not good though. Of course no amount of explaining that seems to get through to some people. It isn't their fault they don't know how to behave, it's mine, it's the systems. Yeah.

Anon

Heineken Helen wrote:

JB811 wrote:

Everyone on welfare should be subject to a drug test. Everyone on welfare should also be a US citizen.

:? are US citizens better than everyone else? :oops: wow, they never gave us the memo.

There are US emigrants all over the world ya know... USA isn't the only country with immigrants. Should we also treat your citizens like shit?

If you read my comments you would see I never said anything like that. But feel free to inject your own words in my mouth.

Anon

scb wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help

You'd think that people who think there's a problem would be willing to do what they can to help solve the problem, wouldn't you? Seems like a reasonable assumption to me. But I'm noticing more and more that some people don't really want results; they just want someone to blame. Frankly, I don't view those people as being much better than those at whom they are pointing their fingers. What's that saying? When you point your finger at someone you're pointing 3 more back at yourself.

This guy even said that a few bad apples spoiled his outlook, so it sounds like he knows part of the problem is his own perception. Yet he doesn't seem to be doing anything about that - only perpetuating his admittedly inaccurate perspective.

Funny how you can assign the blame right back at me though, huh?

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JB811 wrote:

I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for.

:roll:
Seriously??

JB811 wrote:

With your philosophy should I also pay for gas for their car? Same concept.

It's not the same concept. You're not complaining about them not driving their car; you're complaining about them not cutting their grass.

JB811 wrote:

Kind of funny how some bleeding hearts blame ME for this. I should cut their grass, I should loan them tools. Whatever happened to holding people responsible for their actions? Oh no it's MY fault their high school age kids threatened grade schoolers with baseball bats. It's MY fault they screamed at people out their front window.

No, their actions are not your fault. Only your inaction is your fault. They could have done something to improve the situation & they didn't. Likewise, you could have done something to improve the situation and you didn't.

Communities seem to be crumbling around the country, and everyone wants to blame it on the "other" moving in. There goes the neighborhood, they say. But I think we need to acknowledge the negative effect that attitude has on the teamwork of a community as well.

Sometimes having a good community takes a team effort, and that means working together for the greater good, not just stopping at your property line and pointing a finger. All of us here with a good work ethic know that the "it's not my responsibility" attitude in unacceptable at work. Why can't we understand that it's at least not a good idea at home either?

Here's an example: You're on a boat and it gets holes in it. Everyone is assigned to plug one hole. They guy next to you, for whatever reason, doesn't plug his whole. Do you just sit back and let the boat you're in sink, content with the knowledge that you did what was required of you, using your extra finger to point at the other guy as the ship sinks instead of using it to plug the hole? Let's say the guy can't reach the hole but you could help him reach it. Do you really think the responsible thing for you to do would be to sit around bitching that the other guy is responsible for plugging the hole, not you, and it's not your fault that he can't reach, nor is it your responsibility to help him?

Part of being an adult is doing what you can to benefit yourself and your community, whether or not these things are expressly your responsibility.

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JB811 wrote:

scb wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help

You'd think that people who think there's a problem would be willing to do what they can to help solve the problem, wouldn't you? Seems like a reasonable assumption to me. But I'm noticing more and more that some people don't really want results; they just want someone to blame. Frankly, I don't view those people as being much better than those at whom they are pointing their fingers. What's that saying? When you point your finger at someone you're pointing 3 more back at yourself.

This guy even said that a few bad apples spoiled his outlook, so it sounds like he knows part of the problem is his own perception. Yet he doesn't seem to be doing anything about that - only perpetuating his admittedly inaccurate perspective.

Funny how you can assign the blame right back at me though, huh?

I just think everyone should take his share of the blame if the community ultimately goes to shit. And those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Anon

scb wrote:

JB811 wrote:

I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for.

:roll:
Seriously??

I'm sort of at a loss for words because I can't understand how someone thinking rationally would question that. Do you think someone should own a house without having the proper items to maintain it?

KDH12

JB811 wrote:

scb wrote:

JB811 wrote:

I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for.

:roll:
Seriously??

I'm sort of at a loss for words because I can't understand how someone thinking rationally would question that. Do you think someone should own a house without having the proper items to maintain it?

I am at a loss for words as to why you only choose to respond to this comment of all comments that have been made.

SBC more or less made the point, I never suggested that you cut their grass or buy their gas. I suggested that if you saw them lacking in some tools, skills or knowledge you offer your help instead of complaining and what I suspect might be fear of the "other".

Success is a group effort

In regards to illegal activities or teenagers terrorizing the community..... that is why you pay taxes for police officers, use them. I suspect that the parents had a hard time controlling their teens and would have welcomed some assistance and intervention. I do not see it has having a bleeding heart, that is a really poor way describing empathy.

But hey oh well they are gone, the houses are fixed and you have your community back.... as I suggested earlier just build a bigger fence to keep them out.

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JB811 wrote:

scb wrote:

JB811 wrote:

I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for.

:roll:
Seriously??

I'm sort of at a loss for words because I can't understand how someone thinking rationally would question that. Do you think someone should own a house without having the proper items to maintain it?

I'm at a loss if you think poor people really all have an extra $200 to spend on a lawnmower. You said it like $200 = $2.

In an ideal world, yes, everyone would have everything they need, including a $200 lawnmower. But we live in reality. PLENTY of people, on welfare or not, don't have an extra $200 to throw around. As was already mentioned, not everyone can afford all the things they need for their house right away. Building up these things is a process.

Do you think someone should turn down the opportunity to have a house for their family just because they don't have an extra $200 for a lawnmower readily available? :roll:

cincybearcat

scb wrote:

I'm at a loss if you think poor people really all have an extra $200 to spend on a lawnmower. You said it like $200 = $2.

In an ideal world, yes, everyone would have everything they need, including a $200 lawnmower. But we live in reality. PLENTY of people, on welfare or not, don't have an extra $200 to throw around. As was already mentioned, not everyone can afford all the things they need for their house right away. Building up these things is a process.

Do you think someone should turn down the opportunity to have a house for their family just because they don't have an extra $200 for a lawnmower readily available? :roll:

If you can't afford a lawnmower, how in the hell do you buy a house? Seriously, sometimes the people here defend any assanine behavior.

KDH12

cincybearcat wrote:

scb wrote:

I'm at a loss if you think poor people really all have an extra $200 to spend on a lawnmower. You said it like $200 = $2.

In an ideal world, yes, everyone would have everything they need, including a $200 lawnmower. But we live in reality. PLENTY of people, on welfare or not, don't have an extra $200 to throw around. As was already mentioned, not everyone can afford all the things they need for their house right away. Building up these things is a process.

Do you think someone should turn down the opportunity to have a house for their family just because they don't have an extra $200 for a lawnmower readily available? :roll:

If you can't afford a lawnmower, how in the hell do you buy a house? Seriously, sometimes the people here defend any assanine behavior.

read the thread dude or dudet

we are not talking about people that bought a house we are talking about renters, section 8 renters at that... no purchase necessary.

Anon

And all the more reason they should be able to afford it, since the taxpayers are footing the majority of their rent.



You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.

gimmesometruth27

JB811 wrote:

And all the more reason they should be able to afford it, since the taxpayers are footing the majority of their rent.



You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.

why don't you do that then? your pride would not allow it. if you want a medal for living within your means i will mail you one...you are not the only one, as i am sure you are assuming you are.

so by your rationale we should never use taxpayer money to help anyone ever...would you rather have these people homeless and having to resort to things like breaking into your house and pawning your shit so they can get their next meal? desperate people will do desperate things. so we have 2 options, are we supposed to coldly turn our backs on the less fortunate and say "not in my neighborhood" and let then starve and eventually end up in prison where the taxpayers pay for them even more? or do we look at the situation in an intellectual manner and try to 1. find out why these people are poor, 2. try to figure out a way to help them help themselves, and 3, try to help them reach the next rung on society's ladder. the first option is the easiest, but i prefer the second. i think it is the human in me that makes me prefer the second....

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JB811 wrote:

And all the more reason they should be able to afford it, since the taxpayers are footing the majority of their rent.



You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.

Who the fuck are you to judge what anyone "should be able to afford"???

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Ya know, I hate to sound mean, but I really mean this: I hope all the assholes in this country who refuse to even try to understand what it's like to live in poverty end up learning by experiencing it firsthand some day. There's a very fine line between "us" and "them" after all.

Some of you heartless fucking bastards don't deserve the shit that you "earn" off the backs of the poor in this world. And just because you have money doesn't make you any more deserving of respect and compassion. In fact, those of you who don't have compassion for others are far less deserving of respect. :evil:

It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.

cincybearcat

KDH12 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

scb wrote:

I'm at a loss if you think poor people really all have an extra $200 to spend on a lawnmower. You said it like $200 = $2.

In an ideal world, yes, everyone would have everything they need, including a $200 lawnmower. But we live in reality. PLENTY of people, on welfare or not, don't have an extra $200 to throw around. As was already mentioned, not everyone can afford all the things they need for their house right away. Building up these things is a process.

Do you think someone should turn down the opportunity to have a house for their family just because they don't have an extra $200 for a lawnmower readily available? :roll:

If you can't afford a lawnmower, how in the hell do you buy a house? Seriously, sometimes the people here defend any assanine behavior.

read the thread dude or dudet

we are not talking about people that bought a house we are talking about renters, section 8 renters at that... no purchase necessary.

My bad, I did read a bunch of it, missed that part.

Anon

scb wrote:

JB811 wrote:

And all the more reason they should be able to afford it, since the taxpayers are footing the majority of their rent.



You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.

Who the fuck are you to judge what anyone "should be able to afford"???

That's great!!!

Indifference

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