What should be done with welfare mothers?

KDH12

Commy wrote:

the title implies something needs to be done about welfare mothers. which is horseshit.


i'm more worried about corporate welfare, costing us exponentially more than single mothers who need help, or single mothers abusing the system.




its a disease, and the idea that single mothers abusing the system are to blame is absurd. corporate welfare eats your taxes, not compassion, or the few that would abuse it. google corporate grants, or no bid contracts, if you're worried about how your tax dollars are being spent. i can guaranfuckingtee you welfare mothers eat not a fraction worth considering compared to corporations.


the state serves corporate america, as its always been. the elite prosper at labors' expense. corporate welfare mothers are a symptom of this greed and waste and selfishness, and their impact is miniscule.

this is all I am trying to say

white collar crime causes far more destruction to our system from the inside out then teenage mothers or families abusing the system as a means of survival

a rich white guy avoiding his taxes needs to be lumped into the welfare mothers category

KDH12

JB811 wrote:

Actually yes I have many pictures of the properties as the person who bought the house was my new neighbor. We had quite the chat. After two months of making repairs he was close to $100k.

The landlords were bad, that's why the FBI was investigating them for mortgage fraud. Amazing how easy evidence is found by using the internet and viewing public records. The fact remains that someone who owns a home is generally more likely to care for it in a manner better than a renter who has no real financial ties.

Diversity has nothing to do with this. I'm not going to apologize for wanting to buy a home in a crime free neighborhood where people actually take care of their properties. If someone thinks people should just accept that that someone needs a brain check.

Section 8 should be limited to certain properties, not those that exceed the ability for one to maintain it.

Prosecute the sister for fraud and fire those that work for the state that failed to verify the situation.

I wasn't asking if you had conversations with the person that bought the house but if you talked with the section 8 folks... something like a "hey it seems your lawn is a bit overgrown, want to borrow my lawnmower"

and limiting section 8 "to certain properties" sounds like segregation in a new era... just saying

and crime has nothing to do with any of this especially welfare moms as you guys call them, did crime in your neighborhood go up cause of a few section 8 renters? So why bring it up?

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KDH12 wrote:

true story my first child was born when contraceptives were religiously used

What's that? You mean you & your partner weren't just completely irresponsible???

TriumphantAngel

Commy wrote:

the title implies something needs to be done about welfare mothers. which is horseshit.


i'm more worried about corporate welfare, costing us exponentially more than single mothers who need help, or single mothers abusing the system.




its a disease, and the idea that single mothers abusing the system are to blame is absurd. corporate welfare eats your taxes, not compassion, or the few that would abuse it. google corporate grants, or no bid contracts, if you're worried about how your tax dollars are being spent. i can guaranfuckingtee you welfare mothers eat not a fraction worth considering compared to corporations.


the state serves corporate america, as its always been. the elite prosper at labors' expense. corporate welfare mothers are a symptom of this greed and waste and selfishness, and their impact is miniscule.

that's right.

Anon

KDH12 wrote:

Section 8 should be limited to certain properties, not those that exceed the ability for one to maintain it.


I wasn't asking if you had conversations with the person that bought the house but if you talked with the section 8 folks... something like a "hey it seems your lawn is a bit overgrown, want to borrow my lawnmower"

and limiting section 8 "to certain properties" sounds like segregation in a new era... just saying

and crime has nothing to do with any of this especially welfare moms as you guys call them, did crime in your neighborhood go up cause of a few section 8 renters? So why bring it up?

Oh that's priceless. So now I'm supposed to work a full time job, maintain my own home, then give my things over to let someone cut their grass? I don't think so. If their lawnmower took a dump, yeah I'd help out. But to simply not own one? Nope. Go rent a townhouse where it is cut for you. I seriously wish I could post pictures here. Let's see first they watered the new sod so it would take, then that stopped once the first water bill came in. Then the weeds got as high as the AC. The city had to come out to cut their weeds down. Then since the sod died the homeowner's association had to replace it. More money out of my pocket since someone can't take care of where they live. Not to mention the police being at these places multiple times a week.

This is from my own personal experience and I know NOT everyone having public aid is like that. However a few bad apples around me spoiled my outlook.

Yes it should be limited to certain porperties. They should not live in luxury, they can't even maintain the property when it is being paid for by someone else. They should be somewhere that they can maintain. It is like anything else in life, you don't live beyond your means.

Yes the crime was directly brought up by these renters. I'm sure the police reports and evictions are public records. You want the addresses? I can give you five.

Commy

JB811 wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

Section 8 should be limited to certain properties, not those that exceed the ability for one to maintain it.


I wasn't asking if you had conversations with the person that bought the house but if you talked with the section 8 folks... something like a "hey it seems your lawn is a bit overgrown, want to borrow my lawnmower"

and limiting section 8 "to certain properties" sounds like segregation in a new era... just saying

and crime has nothing to do with any of this especially welfare moms as you guys call them, did crime in your neighborhood go up cause of a few section 8 renters? So why bring it up?

Oh that's priceless. So now I'm supposed to work a full time job, maintain my own home, then give my things over to let someone cut their grass? I don't think so. If their lawnmower took a dump, yeah I'd help out. But to simply not own one? Nope. Go rent a townhouse where it is cut for you. I seriously wish I could post pictures here. Let's see first they watered the new sod so it would take, then that stopped once the first water bill came in. Then the weeds got as high as the AC. The city had to come out to cut their weeds down. Then since the sod died the homeowner's association had to replace it. More money out of my pocket since someone can't take care of where they live. Not to mention the police being at these places multiple times a week.

This is from my own personal experience and I know NOT everyone having public aid is like that. However a few bad apples around me spoiled my outlook.

Yes it should be limited to certain porperties. They should not live in luxury, they can't even maintain the property when it is being paid for by someone else. They should be somewhere that they can maintain. It is like anything else in life, you don't live beyond your means.

Yes the crime was directly brought up by these renters. I'm sure the police reports and evictions are public records. You want the addresses? I can give you five.

apparently there are more important things than grass.

Anon

Maintaining a property has many responsibilities. If they can't take care of it they should be someplace more manageable.

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JB811 wrote:

Oh that's priceless. So now I'm supposed to work a full time job, maintain my own home, then give my things over to let someone cut their grass? I don't think so. If their lawnmower took a dump, yeah I'd help out. But to simply not own one? Nope. Go rent a townhouse where it is cut for you. I seriously wish I could post pictures here. Let's see first they watered the new sod so it would take, then that stopped once the first water bill came in. Then the weeds got as high as the AC. The city had to come out to cut their weeds down. Then since the sod died the homeowner's association had to replace it. More money out of my pocket since someone can't take care of where they live. Not to mention the police being at these places multiple times a week.

This is from my own personal experience and I know NOT everyone having public aid is like that. However a few bad apples around me spoiled my outlook.

Yes it should be limited to certain porperties. They should not live in luxury, they can't even maintain the property when it is being paid for by someone else. They should be somewhere that they can maintain. It is like anything else in life, you don't live beyond your means.

Yes the crime was directly brought up by these renters. I'm sure the police reports and evictions are public records. You want the addresses? I can give you five.

Gotta love how it all becomes about "my money". :roll:

Heineken Helen

blackredyellow wrote:

You made a good point about making assumptions, but it's easy to get angry when you see people who seemingly have many of the material possessions that we have, but we are the ones working long hours and making sacrifices, and they are just getting a check every month for doing nothing.

I work long hours to provide for me and my life... I work and see work as a social thing as well as a necessity. I pay taxes cos it's the law... I'm glad there are welfare facilities cos, for the first time in my life, I needed them recently. I'm happy to support people who can't support themselves. I learned during that time that doing nothing is extremely overrated... it is demoralising, kills any confidence you have the longer it goes on... and people judge you :? wow, imagine that. No matter how hard you're trying to get yourself out of your situation there will be people who look down on you and think you're not doing enough. Those people are losers and need to focus on their own lives, rather than try and pick on the weaker members of society :evil:

Heineken Helen

JB811 wrote:

Everyone on welfare should be subject to a drug test. Everyone on welfare should also be a US citizen.

:? are US citizens better than everyone else? :oops: wow, they never gave us the memo.

There are US emigrants all over the world ya know... USA isn't the only country with immigrants. Should we also treat your citizens like shit?

Heineken Helen

JB811 wrote:

Yeah well welfare and government handouts remind me of rations in a former USSR society.

Good point... locking them up or letting them die would make you MUCH more superior to a former USSR society :roll:

Anyway, why is it mainly mothers who bother you? Women generally haven't been supported. People can't really afford to be having kids these days... even middle class people... and yet contraception is ridiculously expensive and accidents will always happen. But hey, let's allow their kids to die or lock them up. :roll:

Heineken Helen

Starfall wrote:

This is Ronald Reagan's "cadillac welfare queens" myth all over again. The vast majority of welfare recipients are not fraudulent, and moreover the old system of eternal welfare was ended under Bill Clinton.

I wish someone would point me in the direction of the car dealers who will exchange cadillacs for food stamps :roll:

cincybearcat

Heineken Helen wrote:

:? are US citizens better than everyone else?

Yes. Your education system in Ireland sucks if you don't know that.

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Heineken Helen wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

You made a good point about making assumptions, but it's easy to get angry when you see people who seemingly have many of the material possessions that we have, but we are the ones working long hours and making sacrifices, and they are just getting a check every month for doing nothing.

I work long hours to provide for me and my life... I work and see work as a social thing as well as a necessity. I pay taxes cos it's the law... I'm glad there are welfare facilities cos, for the first time in my life, I needed them recently. I'm happy to support people who can't support themselves. I learned during that time that doing nothing is extremely overrated... it is demoralising, kills any confidence you have the longer it goes on... and people judge you :? wow, imagine that. No matter how hard you're trying to get yourself out of your situation there will be people who look down on you and think you're not doing enough. Those people are losers and need to focus on their own lives, rather than try and pick on the weaker members of society :evil:

Thank you for sharing your story. It's easy to stereotype and judge people when you see them as the "other". It's harder when it's someone you know and respect.

Heineken Helen

brandon10 wrote:

Personal responibilities are exactly right. And I take personal responsibility. If any female decides not to share her pregnacy or problems with the men they have slept with, that's their choice. But I'd say that would be the second bad decision they made in that scenerio. I am 99.9999% sure I have never been involved in an unintended pregnancy.

Women unfortunately don't have the luxury of that 0.0001%. That 0.0001% is the difference between never giving it another thought and being a single mother :oops: . If you're not 100%, you may as well be 1%... you really don't know if a kid's gonna come lookin for you at some point.

Heineken Helen

scb wrote:

Thank you for sharing your story. It's easy to stereotype and judge people when you see them as the "other". It's harder when it's someone you know and respect.

Even people I was close to thought I wasn't doing anything to get myself out of my situation even though I was sending up to 40 cv's a day and getting all the interview help that was available to me.

During that time though, I was 'fortunate' to become part of a group of people that people love to hate... and it was certainly an eye opener. I didn't really know these people existed... many of the people in 'my' situation couldn't actually read or write... in their 20s :shock: :( They were being helped with this but obviously their hearts weren't completely in it as they've always belonged to this group of people and nobody cares about them.

We were talking in work today about certain groups of society where there are obvious problems and absolutely nothing is done... continuously! While we pump countless money into bottomless pits.

START THERE!

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Heineken Helen wrote:

brandon10 wrote:

Personal responibilities are exactly right. And I take personal responsibility. If any female decides not to share her pregnacy or problems with the men they have slept with, that's their choice. But I'd say that would be the second bad decision they made in that scenerio. I am 99.9999% sure I have never been involved in an unintended pregnancy.

Women unfortunately don't have the luxury of that 0.0001%. That 0.0001% is the difference between never giving it another thought and being a single mother :oops: . If you're not 100%, you may as well be 1%... you really don't know if a kid's gonna come lookin for you at some point.

True story: My sister's mother-in-law recently found out that the man she's always thought was her father really wasn't. Her mom not only never told her, but also never told the father that she was ever pregnant. (She said he was just starting his career and she didn't want to ruin his life.) My sister has recently tracked down the real father and is about to break it to him that he has a daughter. At 80 year old, I bet he really thought he was sure how many kids he had. Just goes to show that you never know, and that kid could come looking for you at any time!

Heineken Helen

scb wrote:

True story: My sister's mother-in-law recently found out that the man she's always thought was her father really wasn't. Her mom not only never told her, but also never told the father that she was ever pregnant. (She said he was just starting his career and she didn't want to ruin his life.) My sister has recently tracked down the real father and is about to break it to him that he has a daughter. At 80 year old, I bet he really thought he was sure how many kids he had. Just goes to show that you never know, and that kid could come looking for you at any time!

It's not just ONE true story though. I know of a few cases where people found out that their 'family' wasn't really their family, and quite late in life. Sure, plenty of these were due to religious/societal issues and many of these issues are now gone... but not completely!

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Heineken Helen wrote:

scb wrote:

True story: My sister's mother-in-law recently found out that the man she's always thought was her father really wasn't. Her mom not only never told her, but also never told the father that she was ever pregnant. (She said he was just starting his career and she didn't want to ruin his life.) My sister has recently tracked down the real father and is about to break it to him that he has a daughter. At 80 year old, I bet he really thought he was sure how many kids he had. Just goes to show that you never know, and that kid could come looking for you at any time!

It's not just ONE true story though. I know of a few cases where people found out that their 'family' wasn't really their family, and quite late in life. Sure, plenty of these were due to religious/societal issues and many of these issues are now gone... but not completely!

I really think this happens more frequently than people want to believe. I heard a lecture recently about genetic testing (like for the breast cancer gene and that sort of thing) and they said one of the risks of genetic testing is that it will reveal non-paternity to unsuspecting people. Apparently this happens in a full 10% of cases! Also, I meet about one woman per week who's having an abortion without telling her husband/boyfriend that she was ever pregnant.

KDH12

scb wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

true story my first child was born when contraceptives were religiously used

What's that? You mean you & your partner weren't just completely irresponsible???

nope I always tell my clients that there are no guarantees in life and nothing works a 100% of the time