I know this, if someone's kids are going hungry, pride is the last thing on anyone's mind. It is the brave who do go ask for help. Thr welfare office personnel are cruel, nasty, judgemental and make people jump thru a ton of hoops. Its very degrading, Pride is not going to feed their kids, so leave the notion of pride out of this.
I had been bedridden for a long time, then housebound. I needed help. Little did these people know I am a social woker. They are not. They are social service workers. I did not want to go get help, only because of the way they treat people, but I went anyway, and I got so sick of hearing them say "well I have to work everyday"! As if I was just being lazy. I would have to pull the education card to get them to treat me anywhere close to human. (Which is wrong) All should be treated with dignity.
I worked in a place where many of my hours were volunteer, on top of the paid hours. I have always given my share back to society, so the last thing I wanted hear from some young snippet of a girl who has barely left the roost, is how she works everyday, insinuating that so should I. I was very ill thru this and it pissed me off.
It doesn't matter what I wear or what I drive, I needed help and didn't need to have them try to bring my self pride and dignity down.
Poeple just don't know how lucky they are that they are able to work. Let anything happen and they will get to see first hand how demeaning this is.
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Here in DC/MD area at the local food banks now see on a regular basis mothers pulling up in expensive SUVs not dropping off food but there to pick up food. Hunger outweighs any embarrassment receiving food may cause even if you're walking in a Gucci bag.
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Maybe they should sell that expensive SUV and get into something a little more economincal. You know so they can buy food.
Unfortunately this is the DC/MD metro area, you know no matter one's circumstance one STILL has to represent. Sad case of what some have become in America.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Maybe they should sell that expensive SUV and get into something a little more economincal. You know so they can buy food.
Unfortunately this is the DC/MD metro area, you know no matter one's circumstance one STILL has to represent. Sad case of what some have become in America.
Peace
Maybe the car was borrowed. Maybe it was a gift. Maybe the car belongs to the father of the kids, not to the mother who's just trying to get food for her kids. Maybe they live in the car. Maybe any number of scenarios. One never really knows the circumstances.
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Maybe they should sell that expensive SUV and get into something a little more economincal. You know so they can buy food.
Unfortunately this is the DC/MD metro area, you know no matter one's circumstance one STILL has to represent. Sad case of what some have become in America.
Peace
Maybe the car was borrowed. Maybe it was a gift. Maybe the car belongs to the father of the kids, not to the mother who's just trying to get food for her kids. Maybe they live in the car. Maybe any number of scenarios. One never really knows the circumstances.
No this was the circumstance in Mongomery County last year. Many of the food bank workers thought some of these mothers were there to drop off food not pick up the much needed food. I'll try and find the the full article from The Washington Post.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Maybe they should sell that expensive SUV and get into something a little more economincal. You know so they can buy food.
Unfortunately this is the DC/MD metro area, you know no matter one's circumstance one STILL has to represent. Sad case of what some have become in America.
Peace
Maybe the car was borrowed. Maybe it was a gift. Maybe the car belongs to the father of the kids, not to the mother who's just trying to get food for her kids. Maybe they live in the car. Maybe any number of scenarios. One never really knows the circumstances.
Maybe there needs to be welfare reform?
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No this was the circumstance in Mongomery County last year. Many of the food bank workers thought some of these mothers were there to drop off food not pick up the much needed food. I'll try and find the the full article from The Washington Post.
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Please do. I would be interested in reading it.
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No this was the circumstance in Mongomery County last year. Many of the food bank workers thought some of these mothers were there to drop off food not pick up the much needed food. I'll try and find the the full article from The Washington Post.
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Please do. I would be interested in reading it.
My mother pointed out that article to me and I'm trying like hell to find it. It's early and I ain't giving up.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
No this was the circumstance in Mongomery County last year. Many of the food bank workers thought some of these mothers were there to drop off food not pick up the much needed food. I'll try and find the the full article from The Washington Post.
Peace
Please do. I would be interested in reading it.
My mother pointed out that article to me and I'm trying like hell to find it. It's early and I ain't giving up.
1. Don't judge them. (Which is not to say that you are, only that some people do.)
2. Try to understand their situations and how they got into them.
3. Treat them with the same respect we think we deserve.
4. Provide the education and resources they (and their children) need to create a better life for themselves and their children.
5. Most importantly, provide the education & resources women need to prevent themselves from becoming welfare mothers in the first place.
6. Hold the fathers accountable too.
7. Don't forget about the innocent children who are at the center of the controversy.
Hear Hear! I volunteer at a food bank and I see it all. The poor rich and rich poor. It's all the same.
In the end we could debate what to do with people who have too many children, but in the end, the discussion could be focused on how to help the kids in these homes so they don't continue the cycle.
Unfortunately this is the DC/MD metro area, you know no matter one's circumstance one STILL has to represent. Sad case of what some have become in America.
Peace
Maybe the car was borrowed. Maybe it was a gift. Maybe the car belongs to the father of the kids, not to the mother who's just trying to get food for her kids. Maybe they live in the car. Maybe any number of scenarios. One never really knows the circumstances.
Maybe there needs to be welfare reform?
there was significant welfare reform in the late 90's
I repeat there is hardly any welfare anymore all that is left is entitlements (ie foodstamps, SSI, and such)
And all the more reason they should be able to afford it, since the taxpayers are footing the majority of their rent.
You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.
why don't you do that then? your pride would not allow it. if you want a medal for living within your means i will mail you one...you are not the only one, as i am sure you are assuming you are.
so by your rationale we should never use taxpayer money to help anyone ever...would you rather have these people homeless and having to resort to things like breaking into your house and pawning your shit so they can get their next meal? desperate people will do desperate things. so we have 2 options, are we supposed to coldly turn our backs on the less fortunate and say "not in my neighborhood" and let then starve and eventually end up in prison where the taxpayers pay for them even more? or do we look at the situation in an intellectual manner and try to 1. find out why these people are poor, 2. try to figure out a way to help them help themselves, and 3, try to help them reach the next rung on society's ladder. the first option is the easiest, but i prefer the second. i think it is the human in me that makes me prefer the second....
we use to live in a society like that
after the Great Depression and prior to the New Deal there were kids living in filth on the streets, families like rats, look at many of the photos from the times (Dorothea Lange and Walker Evans as part of the Resettlement Administration and Farm Security Administration) .... much worse then it is now.
another interesting read that welfare decreases poverty
cutting welfare epically on the brink of another depression would be like going back 80 years, if anything we should repeal TANF, enacted by Clinton and go back to the days of AFDC and increase the welfare rolls.
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I had been bedridden for a long time, then housebound. I needed help. Little did these people know I am a social woker. They are not. They are social service workers. I did not want to go get help, only because of the way they treat people, but I went anyway, and I got so sick of hearing them say "well I have to work everyday"! As if I was just being lazy. I would have to pull the education card to get them to treat me anywhere close to human. (Which is wrong) All should be treated with dignity.
I worked in a place where many of my hours were volunteer, on top of the paid hours. I have always given my share back to society, so the last thing I wanted hear from some young snippet of a girl who has barely left the roost, is how she works everyday, insinuating that so should I. I was very ill thru this and it pissed me off.
It doesn't matter what I wear or what I drive, I needed help and didn't need to have them try to bring my self pride and dignity down.
Poeple just don't know how lucky they are that they are able to work. Let anything happen and they will get to see first hand how demeaning this is.
peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Unfortunately this is the DC/MD metro area, you know no matter one's circumstance one STILL has to represent. Sad case of what some have become in America.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Maybe the car was borrowed. Maybe it was a gift. Maybe the car belongs to the father of the kids, not to the mother who's just trying to get food for her kids. Maybe they live in the car. Maybe any number of scenarios. One never really knows the circumstances.
No this was the circumstance in Mongomery County last year. Many of the food bank workers thought some of these mothers were there to drop off food not pick up the much needed food. I'll try and find the the full article from The Washington Post.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Maybe there needs to be welfare reform?
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I agree that the system as a whole needs improvement.
Please do. I would be interested in reading it.
My mother pointed out that article to me and I'm trying like hell to find it. It's early and I ain't giving up.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Hear Hear! I volunteer at a food bank and I see it all. The poor rich and rich poor. It's all the same.
In the end we could debate what to do with people who have too many children, but in the end, the discussion could be focused on how to help the kids in these homes so they don't continue the cycle.
there was significant welfare reform in the late 90's
I repeat there is hardly any welfare anymore all that is left is entitlements (ie foodstamps, SSI, and such)
we use to live in a society like that
after the Great Depression and prior to the New Deal there were kids living in filth on the streets, families like rats, look at many of the photos from the times (Dorothea Lange and Walker Evans as part of the Resettlement Administration and Farm Security Administration) .... much worse then it is now.
another interesting read that welfare decreases poverty
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-welfarepoverty.htm
cutting welfare epically on the brink of another depression would be like going back 80 years, if anything we should repeal TANF, enacted by Clinton and go back to the days of AFDC and increase the welfare rolls.