Yeah well welfare and government handouts remind me of rations in a former USSR society.
Good point... locking them up or letting them die would make you MUCH more superior to a former USSR society :roll:
Anyway, why is it mainly mothers who bother you? Women generally haven't been supported. People can't really afford to be having kids these days... even middle class people... and yet contraception is ridiculously expensive and accidents will always happen. But hey, let's allow their kids to die or lock them up. :roll:
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This is Ronald Reagan's "cadillac welfare queens" myth all over again. The vast majority of welfare recipients are not fraudulent, and moreover the old system of eternal welfare was ended under Bill Clinton.
I wish someone would point me in the direction of the car dealers who will exchange cadillacs for food stamps :roll:
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
You made a good point about making assumptions, but it's easy to get angry when you see people who seemingly have many of the material possessions that we have, but we are the ones working long hours and making sacrifices, and they are just getting a check every month for doing nothing.
I work long hours to provide for me and my life... I work and see work as a social thing as well as a necessity. I pay taxes cos it's the law... I'm glad there are welfare facilities cos, for the first time in my life, I needed them recently. I'm happy to support people who can't support themselves. I learned during that time that doing nothing is extremely overrated... it is demoralising, kills any confidence you have the longer it goes on... and people judge you :? wow, imagine that. No matter how hard you're trying to get yourself out of your situation there will be people who look down on you and think you're not doing enough. Those people are losers and need to focus on their own lives, rather than try and pick on the weaker members of society :evil:
Thank you for sharing your story. It's easy to stereotype and judge people when you see them as the "other". It's harder when it's someone you know and respect.
Personal responibilities are exactly right. And I take personal responsibility. If any female decides not to share her pregnacy or problems with the men they have slept with, that's their choice. But I'd say that would be the second bad decision they made in that scenerio. I am 99.9999% sure I have never been involved in an unintended pregnancy.
Women unfortunately don't have the luxury of that 0.0001%. That 0.0001% is the difference between never giving it another thought and being a single mother :oops: . If you're not 100%, you may as well be 1%... you really don't know if a kid's gonna come lookin for you at some point.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Thank you for sharing your story. It's easy to stereotype and judge people when you see them as the "other". It's harder when it's someone you know and respect.
Even people I was close to thought I wasn't doing anything to get myself out of my situation even though I was sending up to 40 cv's a day and getting all the interview help that was available to me.
During that time though, I was 'fortunate' to become part of a group of people that people love to hate... and it was certainly an eye opener. I didn't really know these people existed... many of the people in 'my' situation couldn't actually read or write... in their 20s :shock: :( They were being helped with this but obviously their hearts weren't completely in it as they've always belonged to this group of people and nobody cares about them.
We were talking in work today about certain groups of society where there are obvious problems and absolutely nothing is done... continuously! While we pump countless money into bottomless pits.
START THERE!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Personal responibilities are exactly right. And I take personal responsibility. If any female decides not to share her pregnacy or problems with the men they have slept with, that's their choice. But I'd say that would be the second bad decision they made in that scenerio. I am 99.9999% sure I have never been involved in an unintended pregnancy.
Women unfortunately don't have the luxury of that 0.0001%. That 0.0001% is the difference between never giving it another thought and being a single mother :oops: . If you're not 100%, you may as well be 1%... you really don't know if a kid's gonna come lookin for you at some point.
True story: My sister's mother-in-law recently found out that the man she's always thought was her father really wasn't. Her mom not only never told her, but also never told the father that she was ever pregnant. (She said he was just starting his career and she didn't want to ruin his life.) My sister has recently tracked down the real father and is about to break it to him that he has a daughter. At 80 year old, I bet he really thought he was sure how many kids he had. Just goes to show that you never know, and that kid could come looking for you at any time!
True story: My sister's mother-in-law recently found out that the man she's always thought was her father really wasn't. Her mom not only never told her, but also never told the father that she was ever pregnant. (She said he was just starting his career and she didn't want to ruin his life.) My sister has recently tracked down the real father and is about to break it to him that he has a daughter. At 80 year old, I bet he really thought he was sure how many kids he had. Just goes to show that you never know, and that kid could come looking for you at any time!
It's not just ONE true story though. I know of a few cases where people found out that their 'family' wasn't really their family, and quite late in life. Sure, plenty of these were due to religious/societal issues and many of these issues are now gone... but not completely!
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
True story: My sister's mother-in-law recently found out that the man she's always thought was her father really wasn't. Her mom not only never told her, but also never told the father that she was ever pregnant. (She said he was just starting his career and she didn't want to ruin his life.) My sister has recently tracked down the real father and is about to break it to him that he has a daughter. At 80 year old, I bet he really thought he was sure how many kids he had. Just goes to show that you never know, and that kid could come looking for you at any time!
It's not just ONE true story though. I know of a few cases where people found out that their 'family' wasn't really their family, and quite late in life. Sure, plenty of these were due to religious/societal issues and many of these issues are now gone... but not completely!
I really think this happens more frequently than people want to believe. I heard a lecture recently about genetic testing (like for the breast cancer gene and that sort of thing) and they said one of the risks of genetic testing is that it will reveal non-paternity to unsuspecting people. Apparently this happens in a full 10% of cases! Also, I meet about one woman per week who's having an abortion without telling her husband/boyfriend that she was ever pregnant.
Section 8 should be limited to certain properties, not those that exceed the ability for one to maintain it.
I wasn't asking if you had conversations with the person that bought the house but if you talked with the section 8 folks... something like a "hey it seems your lawn is a bit overgrown, want to borrow my lawnmower"
and limiting section 8 "to certain properties" sounds like segregation in a new era... just saying
and crime has nothing to do with any of this especially welfare moms as you guys call them, did crime in your neighborhood go up cause of a few section 8 renters? So why bring it up?
Oh that's priceless. So now I'm supposed to work a full time job, maintain my own home, then give my things over to let someone cut their grass? I don't think so. If their lawnmower took a dump, yeah I'd help out. But to simply not own one? Nope. Go rent a townhouse where it is cut for you. I seriously wish I could post pictures here. Let's see first they watered the new sod so it would take, then that stopped once the first water bill came in. Then the weeds got as high as the AC. The city had to come out to cut their weeds down. Then since the sod died the homeowner's association had to replace it. More money out of my pocket since someone can't take care of where they live. Not to mention the police being at these places multiple times a week.
This is from my own personal experience and I know NOT everyone having public aid is like that. However a few bad apples around me spoiled my outlook.
Yes it should be limited to certain porperties. They should not live in luxury, they can't even maintain the property when it is being paid for by someone else. They should be somewhere that they can maintain. It is like anything else in life, you don't live beyond your means.
Yes the crime was directly brought up by these renters. I'm sure the police reports and evictions are public records. You want the addresses? I can give you five.
Yes I would expect you to loan things out to neighbors that might not have them... obviously if they were on section 8 they could not afford a garage full of tools. I just bought my first house and it would take me 5-10K to acquire everything that I need to manage a house. I can not go out and drop that amount tomorrow I will need to borrow a few things a long the way.
that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help
additionally I am willing to be that 90% of your complaints are issues with the landlord. I have rented most of my life and usually those sorts of things including cutting grass, shoveling snow fixing appliance etc are the responsibility of the landlord.... that is the advantage of renting and paying someone else's mortgage
that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help
You'd think that people who think there's a problem would be willing to do what they can to help solve the problem, wouldn't you? Seems like a reasonable assumption to me. But I'm noticing more and more that some people don't really want results; they just want someone to blame. Frankly, I don't view those people as being much better than those at whom they are pointing their fingers. What's that saying? When you point your finger at someone you're pointing 3 more back at yourself.
This guy even said that a few bad apples spoiled his outlook, so it sounds like he knows part of the problem is his own perception. Yet he doesn't seem to be doing anything about that - only perpetuating his admittedly inaccurate perspective.
Personal responibilities are exactly right. And I take personal responsibility. If any female decides not to share her pregnacy or problems with the men they have slept with, that's their choice. But I'd say that would be the second bad decision they made in that scenerio. I am 99.9999% sure I have never been involved in an unintended pregnancy.
Women unfortunately don't have the luxury of that 0.0001%. That 0.0001% is the difference between never giving it another thought and being a single mother :oops: . If you're not 100%, you may as well be 1%... you really don't know if a kid's gonna come lookin for you at some point.
I really didn't understand your post at all. You took my comment out of context. The only reason my percentage was not 100% was because I was giving in to SCB's claim that women don't tell men everything. But I can tell you that I am 100% sure that I do not have a child. I'm not sure why you would make some weird post like you know me or my personal life :?: You don't.
Yes I would expect you to loan things out to neighbors that might not have them... obviously if they were on section 8 they could not afford a garage full of tools. I just bought my first house and it would take me 5-10K to acquire everything that I need to manage a house. I can not go out and drop that amount tomorrow I will need to borrow a few things a long the way.
that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help
additionally I am willing to be that 90% of your complaints are issues with the landlord. I have rented most of my life and usually those sorts of things including cutting grass, shoveling snow fixing appliance etc are the responsibility of the landlord.... that is the advantage of renting and paying someone else's mortgage
I'm not expecting them to have 10k in tools as you say. But I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for. With your philosophy should I also pay for gas for their car? Same concept.
The only things the landlords did was inflate the prices by selling them back and forth to family members. As I mentioned in a previous reply the FBI was investigating them for mortgage fraud.
Kind of funny how some bleeding hearts blame ME for this. I should cut their grass, I should loan them tools. Whatever happened to holding people responsible for their actions? Oh no it's MY fault their high school age kids threatened grade schoolers with baseball bats. It's MY fault they screamed at people out their front window.
No see I PAID for MY house and I don't want the problems that we as a neighborhood had. As a paying homeowner I have that right.
Apparently it is not politically correct to want to live to a higher standard anymore, even though I pay for it.
But I digress I know not everyone receiving aid was like the people I lived next to and there are truly good people who need help. These people were not good though. Of course no amount of explaining that seems to get through to some people. It isn't their fault they don't know how to behave, it's mine, it's the systems. Yeah.
that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help
You'd think that people who think there's a problem would be willing to do what they can to help solve the problem, wouldn't you? Seems like a reasonable assumption to me. But I'm noticing more and more that some people don't really want results; they just want someone to blame. Frankly, I don't view those people as being much better than those at whom they are pointing their fingers. What's that saying? When you point your finger at someone you're pointing 3 more back at yourself.
This guy even said that a few bad apples spoiled his outlook, so it sounds like he knows part of the problem is his own perception. Yet he doesn't seem to be doing anything about that - only perpetuating his admittedly inaccurate perspective.
Funny how you can assign the blame right back at me though, huh?
Kind of funny how some bleeding hearts blame ME for this. I should cut their grass, I should loan them tools. Whatever happened to holding people responsible for their actions? Oh no it's MY fault their high school age kids threatened grade schoolers with baseball bats. It's MY fault they screamed at people out their front window.
No, their actions are not your fault. Only your inaction is your fault. They could have done something to improve the situation & they didn't. Likewise, you could have done something to improve the situation and you didn't.
Communities seem to be crumbling around the country, and everyone wants to blame it on the "other" moving in. There goes the neighborhood, they say. But I think we need to acknowledge the negative effect that attitude has on the teamwork of a community as well.
Sometimes having a good community takes a team effort, and that means working together for the greater good, not just stopping at your property line and pointing a finger. All of us here with a good work ethic know that the "it's not my responsibility" attitude in unacceptable at work. Why can't we understand that it's at least not a good idea at home either?
Here's an example: You're on a boat and it gets holes in it. Everyone is assigned to plug one hole. They guy next to you, for whatever reason, doesn't plug his whole. Do you just sit back and let the boat you're in sink, content with the knowledge that you did what was required of you, using your extra finger to point at the other guy as the ship sinks instead of using it to plug the hole? Let's say the guy can't reach the hole but you could help him reach it. Do you really think the responsible thing for you to do would be to sit around bitching that the other guy is responsible for plugging the hole, not you, and it's not your fault that he can't reach, nor is it your responsibility to help him?
Part of being an adult is doing what you can to benefit yourself and your community, whether or not these things are expressly your responsibility.
that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help
You'd think that people who think there's a problem would be willing to do what they can to help solve the problem, wouldn't you? Seems like a reasonable assumption to me. But I'm noticing more and more that some people don't really want results; they just want someone to blame. Frankly, I don't view those people as being much better than those at whom they are pointing their fingers. What's that saying? When you point your finger at someone you're pointing 3 more back at yourself.
This guy even said that a few bad apples spoiled his outlook, so it sounds like he knows part of the problem is his own perception. Yet he doesn't seem to be doing anything about that - only perpetuating his admittedly inaccurate perspective.
Funny how you can assign the blame right back at me though, huh?
I just think everyone should take his share of the blame if the community ultimately goes to shit. And those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for.
:roll:
Seriously??
I'm sort of at a loss for words because I can't understand how someone thinking rationally would question that. Do you think someone should own a house without having the proper items to maintain it?
I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for.
:roll:
Seriously??
I'm sort of at a loss for words because I can't understand how someone thinking rationally would question that. Do you think someone should own a house without having the proper items to maintain it?
I am at a loss for words as to why you only choose to respond to this comment of all comments that have been made.
SBC more or less made the point, I never suggested that you cut their grass or buy their gas. I suggested that if you saw them lacking in some tools, skills or knowledge you offer your help instead of complaining and what I suspect might be fear of the "other".
Success is a group effort
In regards to illegal activities or teenagers terrorizing the community..... that is why you pay taxes for police officers, use them. I suspect that the parents had a hard time controlling their teens and would have welcomed some assistance and intervention. I do not see it has having a bleeding heart, that is a really poor way describing empathy.
But hey oh well they are gone, the houses are fixed and you have your community back.... as I suggested earlier just build a bigger fence to keep them out.
I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for.
:roll:
Seriously??
I'm sort of at a loss for words because I can't understand how someone thinking rationally would question that. Do you think someone should own a house without having the proper items to maintain it?
I'm at a loss if you think poor people really all have an extra $200 to spend on a lawnmower. You said it like $200 = $2.
In an ideal world, yes, everyone would have everything they need, including a $200 lawnmower. But we live in reality. PLENTY of people, on welfare or not, don't have an extra $200 to throw around. As was already mentioned, not everyone can afford all the things they need for their house right away. Building up these things is a process.
Do you think someone should turn down the opportunity to have a house for their family just because they don't have an extra $200 for a lawnmower readily available? :roll:
I'm at a loss if you think poor people really all have an extra $200 to spend on a lawnmower. You said it like $200 = $2.
In an ideal world, yes, everyone would have everything they need, including a $200 lawnmower. But we live in reality. PLENTY of people, on welfare or not, don't have an extra $200 to throw around. As was already mentioned, not everyone can afford all the things they need for their house right away. Building up these things is a process.
Do you think someone should turn down the opportunity to have a house for their family just because they don't have an extra $200 for a lawnmower readily available? :roll:
If you can't afford a lawnmower, how in the hell do you buy a house? Seriously, sometimes the people here defend any assanine behavior.
I'm at a loss if you think poor people really all have an extra $200 to spend on a lawnmower. You said it like $200 = $2.
In an ideal world, yes, everyone would have everything they need, including a $200 lawnmower. But we live in reality. PLENTY of people, on welfare or not, don't have an extra $200 to throw around. As was already mentioned, not everyone can afford all the things they need for their house right away. Building up these things is a process.
Do you think someone should turn down the opportunity to have a house for their family just because they don't have an extra $200 for a lawnmower readily available? :roll:
If you can't afford a lawnmower, how in the hell do you buy a house? Seriously, sometimes the people here defend any assanine behavior.
read the thread dude or dudet
we are not talking about people that bought a house we are talking about renters, section 8 renters at that... no purchase necessary.
And all the more reason they should be able to afford it, since the taxpayers are footing the majority of their rent.
You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.
And all the more reason they should be able to afford it, since the taxpayers are footing the majority of their rent.
You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.
why don't you do that then? your pride would not allow it. if you want a medal for living within your means i will mail you one...you are not the only one, as i am sure you are assuming you are.
so by your rationale we should never use taxpayer money to help anyone ever...would you rather have these people homeless and having to resort to things like breaking into your house and pawning your shit so they can get their next meal? desperate people will do desperate things. so we have 2 options, are we supposed to coldly turn our backs on the less fortunate and say "not in my neighborhood" and let then starve and eventually end up in prison where the taxpayers pay for them even more? or do we look at the situation in an intellectual manner and try to 1. find out why these people are poor, 2. try to figure out a way to help them help themselves, and 3, try to help them reach the next rung on society's ladder. the first option is the easiest, but i prefer the second. i think it is the human in me that makes me prefer the second....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
And all the more reason they should be able to afford it, since the taxpayers are footing the majority of their rent.
You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.
Who the fuck are you to judge what anyone "should be able to afford"???
Ya know, I hate to sound mean, but I really mean this: I hope all the assholes in this country who refuse to even try to understand what it's like to live in poverty end up learning by experiencing it firsthand some day. There's a very fine line between "us" and "them" after all.
Some of you heartless fucking bastards don't deserve the shit that you "earn" off the backs of the poor in this world. And just because you have money doesn't make you any more deserving of respect and compassion. In fact, those of you who don't have compassion for others are far less deserving of respect. :evil:
It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.
I'm at a loss if you think poor people really all have an extra $200 to spend on a lawnmower. You said it like $200 = $2.
In an ideal world, yes, everyone would have everything they need, including a $200 lawnmower. But we live in reality. PLENTY of people, on welfare or not, don't have an extra $200 to throw around. As was already mentioned, not everyone can afford all the things they need for their house right away. Building up these things is a process.
Do you think someone should turn down the opportunity to have a house for their family just because they don't have an extra $200 for a lawnmower readily available? :roll:
If you can't afford a lawnmower, how in the hell do you buy a house? Seriously, sometimes the people here defend any assanine behavior.
read the thread dude or dudet
we are not talking about people that bought a house we are talking about renters, section 8 renters at that... no purchase necessary.
My bad, I did read a bunch of it, missed that part.
And all the more reason they should be able to afford it, since the taxpayers are footing the majority of their rent.
You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.
Who the fuck are you to judge what anyone "should be able to afford"???
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Anyway, why is it mainly mothers who bother you? Women generally haven't been supported. People can't really afford to be having kids these days... even middle class people... and yet contraception is ridiculously expensive and accidents will always happen. But hey, let's allow their kids to die or lock them up. :roll:
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Yes. Your education system in Ireland sucks if you don't know that.
Thank you for sharing your story. It's easy to stereotype and judge people when you see them as the "other". It's harder when it's someone you know and respect.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
During that time though, I was 'fortunate' to become part of a group of people that people love to hate... and it was certainly an eye opener. I didn't really know these people existed... many of the people in 'my' situation couldn't actually read or write... in their 20s :shock: :( They were being helped with this but obviously their hearts weren't completely in it as they've always belonged to this group of people and nobody cares about them.
We were talking in work today about certain groups of society where there are obvious problems and absolutely nothing is done... continuously! While we pump countless money into bottomless pits.
START THERE!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
True story: My sister's mother-in-law recently found out that the man she's always thought was her father really wasn't. Her mom not only never told her, but also never told the father that she was ever pregnant. (She said he was just starting his career and she didn't want to ruin his life.) My sister has recently tracked down the real father and is about to break it to him that he has a daughter. At 80 year old, I bet he really thought he was sure how many kids he had. Just goes to show that you never know, and that kid could come looking for you at any time!
It's not just ONE true story though. I know of a few cases where people found out that their 'family' wasn't really their family, and quite late in life. Sure, plenty of these were due to religious/societal issues and many of these issues are now gone... but not completely!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I really think this happens more frequently than people want to believe. I heard a lecture recently about genetic testing (like for the breast cancer gene and that sort of thing) and they said one of the risks of genetic testing is that it will reveal non-paternity to unsuspecting people. Apparently this happens in a full 10% of cases! Also, I meet about one woman per week who's having an abortion without telling her husband/boyfriend that she was ever pregnant.
nope I always tell my clients that there are no guarantees in life and nothing works a 100% of the time
Yes I would expect you to loan things out to neighbors that might not have them... obviously if they were on section 8 they could not afford a garage full of tools. I just bought my first house and it would take me 5-10K to acquire everything that I need to manage a house. I can not go out and drop that amount tomorrow I will need to borrow a few things a long the way.
that is my fault for making an assumption on your willingness to help
additionally I am willing to be that 90% of your complaints are issues with the landlord. I have rented most of my life and usually those sorts of things including cutting grass, shoveling snow fixing appliance etc are the responsibility of the landlord.... that is the advantage of renting and paying someone else's mortgage
You'd think that people who think there's a problem would be willing to do what they can to help solve the problem, wouldn't you? Seems like a reasonable assumption to me. But I'm noticing more and more that some people don't really want results; they just want someone to blame. Frankly, I don't view those people as being much better than those at whom they are pointing their fingers. What's that saying? When you point your finger at someone you're pointing 3 more back at yourself.
This guy even said that a few bad apples spoiled his outlook, so it sounds like he knows part of the problem is his own perception. Yet he doesn't seem to be doing anything about that - only perpetuating his admittedly inaccurate perspective.
I really didn't understand your post at all. You took my comment out of context. The only reason my percentage was not 100% was because I was giving in to SCB's claim that women don't tell men everything. But I can tell you that I am 100% sure that I do not have a child. I'm not sure why you would make some weird post like you know me or my personal life :?: You don't.
I'm not expecting them to have 10k in tools as you say. But I think having a $200 lawnmower is not too much to ask for. With your philosophy should I also pay for gas for their car? Same concept.
The only things the landlords did was inflate the prices by selling them back and forth to family members. As I mentioned in a previous reply the FBI was investigating them for mortgage fraud.
Kind of funny how some bleeding hearts blame ME for this. I should cut their grass, I should loan them tools. Whatever happened to holding people responsible for their actions? Oh no it's MY fault their high school age kids threatened grade schoolers with baseball bats. It's MY fault they screamed at people out their front window.
No see I PAID for MY house and I don't want the problems that we as a neighborhood had. As a paying homeowner I have that right.
Apparently it is not politically correct to want to live to a higher standard anymore, even though I pay for it.
But I digress I know not everyone receiving aid was like the people I lived next to and there are truly good people who need help. These people were not good though. Of course no amount of explaining that seems to get through to some people. It isn't their fault they don't know how to behave, it's mine, it's the systems. Yeah.
If you read my comments you would see I never said anything like that. But feel free to inject your own words in my mouth.
Funny how you can assign the blame right back at me though, huh?
Seriously??
It's not the same concept. You're not complaining about them not driving their car; you're complaining about them not cutting their grass.
No, their actions are not your fault. Only your inaction is your fault. They could have done something to improve the situation & they didn't. Likewise, you could have done something to improve the situation and you didn't.
Communities seem to be crumbling around the country, and everyone wants to blame it on the "other" moving in. There goes the neighborhood, they say. But I think we need to acknowledge the negative effect that attitude has on the teamwork of a community as well.
Sometimes having a good community takes a team effort, and that means working together for the greater good, not just stopping at your property line and pointing a finger. All of us here with a good work ethic know that the "it's not my responsibility" attitude in unacceptable at work. Why can't we understand that it's at least not a good idea at home either?
Here's an example: You're on a boat and it gets holes in it. Everyone is assigned to plug one hole. They guy next to you, for whatever reason, doesn't plug his whole. Do you just sit back and let the boat you're in sink, content with the knowledge that you did what was required of you, using your extra finger to point at the other guy as the ship sinks instead of using it to plug the hole? Let's say the guy can't reach the hole but you could help him reach it. Do you really think the responsible thing for you to do would be to sit around bitching that the other guy is responsible for plugging the hole, not you, and it's not your fault that he can't reach, nor is it your responsibility to help him?
Part of being an adult is doing what you can to benefit yourself and your community, whether or not these things are expressly your responsibility.
I just think everyone should take his share of the blame if the community ultimately goes to shit. And those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I'm sort of at a loss for words because I can't understand how someone thinking rationally would question that. Do you think someone should own a house without having the proper items to maintain it?
I am at a loss for words as to why you only choose to respond to this comment of all comments that have been made.
SBC more or less made the point, I never suggested that you cut their grass or buy their gas. I suggested that if you saw them lacking in some tools, skills or knowledge you offer your help instead of complaining and what I suspect might be fear of the "other".
Success is a group effort
In regards to illegal activities or teenagers terrorizing the community..... that is why you pay taxes for police officers, use them. I suspect that the parents had a hard time controlling their teens and would have welcomed some assistance and intervention. I do not see it has having a bleeding heart, that is a really poor way describing empathy.
But hey oh well they are gone, the houses are fixed and you have your community back.... as I suggested earlier just build a bigger fence to keep them out.
I'm at a loss if you think poor people really all have an extra $200 to spend on a lawnmower. You said it like $200 = $2.
In an ideal world, yes, everyone would have everything they need, including a $200 lawnmower. But we live in reality. PLENTY of people, on welfare or not, don't have an extra $200 to throw around. As was already mentioned, not everyone can afford all the things they need for their house right away. Building up these things is a process.
Do you think someone should turn down the opportunity to have a house for their family just because they don't have an extra $200 for a lawnmower readily available?
If you can't afford a lawnmower, how in the hell do you buy a house? Seriously, sometimes the people here defend any assanine behavior.
read the thread dude or dudet
we are not talking about people that bought a house we are talking about renters, section 8 renters at that... no purchase necessary.
You know maybe I should just stop working, file bankrupcy, foreclose my house, go on welfare, and start sucking the system dry. That seems to be more accepted here than someone who busts their ass and doesn't live beyond their means.
why don't you do that then? your pride would not allow it. if you want a medal for living within your means i will mail you one...you are not the only one, as i am sure you are assuming you are.
so by your rationale we should never use taxpayer money to help anyone ever...would you rather have these people homeless and having to resort to things like breaking into your house and pawning your shit so they can get their next meal? desperate people will do desperate things. so we have 2 options, are we supposed to coldly turn our backs on the less fortunate and say "not in my neighborhood" and let then starve and eventually end up in prison where the taxpayers pay for them even more? or do we look at the situation in an intellectual manner and try to 1. find out why these people are poor, 2. try to figure out a way to help them help themselves, and 3, try to help them reach the next rung on society's ladder. the first option is the easiest, but i prefer the second. i think it is the human in me that makes me prefer the second....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Who the fuck are you to judge what anyone "should be able to afford"???
Some of you heartless fucking bastards don't deserve the shit that you "earn" off the backs of the poor in this world. And just because you have money doesn't make you any more deserving of respect and compassion. In fact, those of you who don't have compassion for others are far less deserving of respect. :evil:
It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members.
My bad, I did read a bunch of it, missed that part.
That's great!!!
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