What should be done with welfare mothers?

blackredyellow

My wife and I were reading an article yesterday (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/region ... id=1222682) about a women who is suing a Massachusetts hospital because they apparently wrongfully sterilized her after having her ninth kid.

The women is unemployed, on disability and receives public assistance for some of the children she has custody of.

Between this story, and a friend's facebook rant Saturday about waiting in line at stores behind people wearing designer clothes and buying junkfood with foodstamp cards, or another friend (social worker) complaining about missing her kids while working over the holidays while dealing with deadbeat mothers who ignore their children while laying in bed all day "eating doritos and smoking marlboros", it made think angrily think about all of the lazy people living off everyone else.

I'm all for helping people and families who fall on tough times, but what can and should be done to people who continue to have kids that they obviously can't afford? or continue to milk the system because they know that it's easier than getting a job and supporting themselves?

redrock

What should be done with welfare mothers? Find the fathers and make them contribute to the upbringing of the children. If they are on welfare as well, they can contribute with their time.

he still stands

Even if the father is around... what can he do? The stereotypical "blue collar" inner-city male used to be able to work in the steel mill or farm equipment factory around here and earn a decent living. Now their choices are to work at the mall kiosk or 7-11 for 1/2 the money. While not all the blame should be placed on the current do-nothing economy... certainly the blame shouldn't all be placed on the ineptitude of the mother/father either. In the situation as described by the OP... maybe something should be done. Forced sterilization seems like the all-time worst solution, though.

gimmesometruth27

i don't have a solution. i just wanted to add that working in the doctor's office i see the same thing all the time. people driving hummers, or mercedes, talking on expensive cell phones, wearing designer clothes and having prada purses, yet their 3 kids are on medicaid. clearly these people can afford private insurance but choose the medicaid instead because of the $2 co-pay and the 100% coverage. also, every month we get 2-3 people wanting us to write letters on their behalf so that they can get full disability, which makes them eligible for medicare. what could possibly suck about not being able to ever hold a job again, getting free healthcare, and a stipened from the state for food and living expenses...fortunately we are orthopedic specialists and tell the patients to speak to their primary doctors about the disability issue.

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What should be done with welfare mothers?

1. Don't judge them. (Which is not to say that you are, only that some people do.)
2. Try to understand their situations and how they got into them.
3. Treat them with the same respect we think we deserve.
4. Provide the education and resources they (and their children) need to create a better life for themselves and their children.
5. Most importantly, provide the education & resources women need to prevent themselves from becoming welfare mothers in the first place.
6. Hold the fathers accountable too.
7. Don't forget about the innocent children who are at the center of the controversy.

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he still stands wrote:

Even if the father is around... what can he do? The stereotypical "blue collar" inner-city male used to be able to work in the steel mill or farm equipment factory around here and earn a decent living. Now their choices are to work at the mall kiosk or 7-11 for 1/2 the money. While not all the blame should be placed on the current do-nothing economy... certainly the blame shouldn't all be placed on the ineptitude of the mother/father either. In the situation as described by the OP... maybe something should be done. Forced sterilization seems like the all-time worst solution, though.

I agree that it's a complicated situation and think it's really important to always remember that instead of just placing blame.

As for what the fathers can do, maybe they can't do "enough," but they can do plenty. They can share the responsibility, which means providing not only whatever money they can provide, but also investing the time to care for the children.

Commy

scb wrote:

What should be done with welfare mothers?


3. Treat them with respect.

what a concept.

cincybearcat

Commy wrote:

scb wrote:

What should be done with welfare mothers?


3. Treat them with respect.

what a concept.

So then, what does treating them with respect really mean?

Commy

cincybearcat wrote:

Commy wrote:

scb wrote:

What should be done with welfare mothers?


3. Treat them with respect.

what a concept.

So then, what does treating them with respect really mean?

the idea that they are lazy, taking advantage of, good for nothing ETC



all that shit should be thrown out.





treat them as human beings first...if they abuse the system after, deal with it.

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cincybearcat wrote:

Commy wrote:

scb wrote:

What should be done with welfare mothers?


3. Treat them with respect.

what a concept.

So then, what does treating them with respect really mean?

Treat them as you would like to be treated. Have empathy. Have compassion. Don't judge. Don't assume to understand their circumstances. Et cetera.

Heatherj43

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't have a solution. i just wanted to add that working in the doctor's office i see the same thing all the time. people driving hummers, or mercedes, talking on expensive cell phones, wearing designer clothes and having prada purses, yet their 3 kids are on medicaid. clearly these people can afford private insurance but choose the medicaid instead because of the $2 co-pay and the 100% coverage. also, every month we get 2-3 people wanting us to write letters on their behalf so that they can get full disability, which makes them eligible for medicare. what could possibly suck about not being able to ever hold a job again, getting free healthcare, and a stipened from the state for food and living expenses...fortunately we are orthopedic specialists and tell the patients to speak to their primary doctors about the disability issue.

I live in an area that has a place for low income people to go and get a basket of clothes for $2. Since its an affluent area, they have great stuff. All designer. Old, disabled, and poor people can also get a Tracfone that gives them an hour of minutes a month. You cannot get medicaid unless you either need it or lie about your income, which is hard to do since they want documented proof. Also, disability, (social security disability only covers 80%), so they still pay, unles its kids. But the parents income still has to be low. You don't know how or where they got their stuff. I have been disabled recently for a good spell. I worked hard for many years and paid into what i get. But, I also take the help with clothing. Its very nice clothes and I am sure people think I have money. I don't. They give me the nice clothes every month, which I need cuz my illness causes me to change weight constantly.
Know the facts, before assuming these people bought all that stuff. They are probably borrowing the cars.

Jeanwah

I think the answer is actually helping these women emotionally, like scb said.
MANY people obviously are unable to grasp the concept the children cost money to raise, and when there's a tax credit for having more kids, it's easily abused. The system allows people to not take responsibility. But at the same time, many of these mothers are not mentally healthy so it's not a black and white issue.

Helping someone get back on their feet can get them out of the welfare hole.

Jeanwah

Heatherj43 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i don't have a solution. i just wanted to add that working in the doctor's office i see the same thing all the time. people driving hummers, or mercedes, talking on expensive cell phones, wearing designer clothes and having prada purses, yet their 3 kids are on medicaid. clearly these people can afford private insurance but choose the medicaid instead because of the $2 co-pay and the 100% coverage. also, every month we get 2-3 people wanting us to write letters on their behalf so that they can get full disability, which makes them eligible for medicare. what could possibly suck about not being able to ever hold a job again, getting free healthcare, and a stipened from the state for food and living expenses...fortunately we are orthopedic specialists and tell the patients to speak to their primary doctors about the disability issue.

I live in an area that has a place for low income people to go and get a basket of clothes for $2. Since its an affluent area, they have great stuff. All designer. Old, disabled, and poor people can also get a Tracfone that gives them an hour of minutes a month. You cannot get medicaid unless you either need it or lie about your income, which is hard to do since they want documented proof. Also, disability, (social security disability only covers 80%), so they still pay, unles its kids. But the parents income still has to be low. You don't know how or where they got their stuff. I have been disabled recently for a good spell. I worked hard for many years and paid into what i get. But, I also take the help with clothing. Its very nice clothes and I am sure people think I have money. I don't. They give me the nice clothes every month, which I need cuz my illness causes me to change weight constantly.
Know the facts, before assuming these people bought all that stuff. They are probably borrowing the cars.

My daughter has Down syndrome and has Medicaid, she is susceptible to have health issues, some more serious than others. Should we dress the part? If there were 3 children on Medicaid, I can see how one might make assumptions, but it's hard to say why people are on it. It's not just welfare recipients.

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Heatherj43 wrote:

Know the facts, before assuming

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Anyone who is concerned with women having "too many" kids or kids they "can't afford" needs to step up and be on the forefront of the fight for:

1. Affordable, accessible contraceptive medications, devices, & procedures for both women & men.
2. Comprehensive sex education for both girls & boys.
3. Programs that teach boys & girls refusal skills, communication skills, and how to have good self esteem.
4. Programs that teach parenting skills, to both women & men.
5. Policies that support parents in the workforce, such as requirements for maternity & paternity leave, requirements that women must have a safe, clean place to breastfeed or pump at work, etc.
6. Affordable, accessible, quality childcare for everyone.

They also need to closely examine their own values about reproductive issues like sex, family planning, parenthood, adoption, and abortion... and strive to understand the multitude of values and circumstances of others.

JR8805

blackredyellow wrote:

My wife and I were reading an article yesterday (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/region ... id=1222682) about a women who is suing a Massachusetts hospital because they apparently wrongfully sterilized her after having her ninth kid.

The women is unemployed, on disability and receives public assistance for some of the children she has custody of.

Between this story, and a friend's facebook rant Saturday about waiting in line at stores behind people wearing designer clothes and buying junkfood with foodstamp cards, or another friend (social worker) complaining about missing her kids while working over the holidays while dealing with deadbeat mothers who ignore their children while laying in bed all day "eating doritos and smoking marlboros", it made think angrily think about all of the lazy people living off everyone else.

I'm all for helping people and families who fall on tough times, but what can and should be done to people who continue to have kids that they obviously can't afford? or continue to milk the system because they know that it's easier than getting a job and supporting themselves?

All the guys she had sex with should be sterilized as well. If that's nine different guys, get out nine shiny knives and sterilize them against their wills. I'm down with that. What should we do with silly women? Anything we want...and the silly guys get the kudos and a good laugh.

Commy

JR8805 wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

My wife and I were reading an article yesterday (http://www.bostonherald.com/news/region ... id=1222682) about a women who is suing a Massachusetts hospital because they apparently wrongfully sterilized her after having her ninth kid.

The women is unemployed, on disability and receives public assistance for some of the children she has custody of.

Between this story, and a friend's facebook rant Saturday about waiting in line at stores behind people wearing designer clothes and buying junkfood with foodstamp cards, or another friend (social worker) complaining about missing her kids while working over the holidays while dealing with deadbeat mothers who ignore their children while laying in bed all day "eating doritos and smoking marlboros", it made think angrily think about all of the lazy people living off everyone else.

I'm all for helping people and families who fall on tough times, but what can and should be done to people who continue to have kids that they obviously can't afford? or continue to milk the system because they know that it's easier than getting a job and supporting themselves?

All the guys she had sex with should be sterilized as well. If that's nine different guys, get out nine shiny knives and sterilize them against their wills. I'm down with that. What should we do with silly women? Anything we want...and the silly guys get the kudos and a good laugh.

just black women tho right? and they have to be poor. poor black women shouldn't breed in your society, is that what you're proposing?

TravisTheSky

Mercy. Such a complex issue.

The first-world countries with toxic lifestyles are already reproducing at less than replacement levels. We are only a small fraction as fertile as our ancestors. Young adults are becoming more and more infertile. I don't think we'll be having this discussion in twenty years, because I predict that ginormous numbers of our children will be unable to reproduce.

How we got here: The women's liberation movement in the 1960s, along with a declining economy in the 70s, made most women go to work outside the home. The government benefited in two ways: It got income taxes from two adult workers in every household. And children spent more time than ever away from both parents, being indoctrinated in state schools. Even Pearl Jam's friend Gloria Steinham has admitted that the CIA funded her.

The legalisation of abortion in 1973 (the very year I was born!) suddenly made abortion a common method of birth control. When it was illegal, it was very rare. The huge majority of women who had illegal abortions were white. Abortion was not an issue in black or hispanic communities. But legal abortions were targeted primarily at black women. [Watch the documentary Maafa 21 on YouTube for an excellent history of how Margaret Sanger's eugenics society became Planned Parenthood.] Abortion is so socially acceptable that in 2008, MORE BLACK WOMEN HAD ABORTIONS THAN LIVE BIRTHS!!! The eugenicists' wet dream!

'Welfare' has always been notorious at breaking up families: It was only paid to women with no man in the household. If a woman married, she could not get any financial help. So welfare purposely keeps women isolated and poor. If she has to work or take mandated classes to receive the money, the kids go into gov't approved 'day care' facilities, further separating mother and child.

Fraud? That is another problem altogether. Jobs? There are no jobs any longer! The globalists have packed up our industries and moved the jobs away forever.

cincybearcat

scb wrote:

Treat them as you would like to be treated. Have empathy. Have compassion. Don't judge. Don't assume to understand their circumstances. Et cetera.

I was looking more for what services you believe need to be given and when do those services end.

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cincybearcat wrote:

scb wrote:

Treat them as you would like to be treated. Have empathy. Have compassion. Don't judge. Don't assume to understand their circumstances. Et cetera.

I was looking more for what services you believe need to be given and when do those services end.

I posted later about some of the services I think should be offered for the parents:

1. Affordable, accessible contraceptive medications, devices, & procedures for both women & men.
2. Comprehensive sex education for both girls & boys.
3. Programs that teach boys & girls refusal skills, communication skills, and how to have good self esteem.
4. Programs that teach parenting skills, to both women & men.
5. Policies that support parents in the workforce, such as requirements for maternity & paternity leave, requirements that women must have a safe, clean place to breastfeed or pump at work, etc.
6. Affordable, accessible, quality childcare for everyone.

As for Medicaid, food stamps, etc., I think we need to remember that those services are primarily for the children and I think children should have whatever services they need for as long as they need them.

cincybearcat

scb wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

scb wrote:

Treat them as you would like to be treated. Have empathy. Have compassion. Don't judge. Don't assume to understand their circumstances. Et cetera.

I was looking more for what services you believe need to be given and when do those services end.

I posted later about some of the services I think should be offered for the parents:

1. Affordable, accessible contraceptive medications, devices, & procedures for both women & men.
2. Comprehensive sex education for both girls & boys.
3. Programs that teach boys & girls refusal skills, communication skills, and how to have good self esteem.
4. Programs that teach parenting skills, to both women & men.
5. Policies that support parents in the workforce, such as requirements for maternity & paternity leave, requirements that women must have a safe, clean place to breastfeed or pump at work, etc.
6. Affordable, accessible, quality childcare for everyone.

As for Medicaid, food stamps, etc., I think we need to remember that those services are primarily for the children and I think children should have whatever services they need for as long as they need them.

What do you do with a welfare parent that is abusing the system though? That is already on welfare and has more children? That uses foodstamps to pay for twinkies and then the cash in their pocket to buy the cigarettes and booze? Not that this is anyway the majority, but it does happen. So, what do you do? DO you turn a blind eye and say, well the $ is for the kids we can't hold them accountable?

If you are accepting $ from the government I believe specific, stringent rules must be followed or else you lose your benefits.