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m0jorisen wrote:Turner will make everyone else better he is a team first player
take him
i like the fact that he stayed in college a couple years too.
favors is still 18 years old...www.myspace.com0 -
The Jeagler wrote:m0jorisen wrote:Turner will make everyone else better he is a team first player
take him
favors is still 18 years old...
who cares? they aren't winning shit in the next 3 years anyway. I'd be cool with favors at 2. Can't win in the NBA without big guys. and the sixers have none. it's easier to find a 2 guard than a dominant post player0 -
The Fixer wrote:The Jeagler wrote:m0jorisen wrote:Turner will make everyone else better he is a team first player
take him
favors is still 18 years old...
who cares? they aren't winning shit in the next 3 years anyway. I'd be cool with favors at 2. Can't win in the NBA without big guys. and the sixers have none. it's easier to find a 2 guard than a dominant post player
....how come the sixers haven't been able to find one in years then? with the second pick one fell into their lap. you gotta jump all over that dude.www.myspace.com0 -
The Jeagler wrote:
....how come the sixers haven't been able to find one in years then? with the second pick one fell into their lap. you gotta jump all over that dude.
yeah, that iverson guy was awful while he was here0 -
The Fixer wrote:The Jeagler wrote:
....how come the sixers haven't been able to find one in years then? with the second pick one fell into their lap. you gotta jump all over that dude.
yeah, that iverson guy was awful while he was here
and how long ago was it that he was still here and good? 4, 5 years ago? :roll:
thanks for proving my point.www.myspace.com0 -
i'm pretty sure this isn't going to be the popular opinion here but i don't think the sixers were a horrible team last year ... they lacked maturity and guys didn't know their roles ... i watched enuf games to see that they were in most games but lost a lot of games down the stretch because of a lack of experience ...
basketball has and always will be a team game - the guys that play the best together will succeed ... cleveland faltered this playoffs because the team game was stagnant ...
another problem is the guy most uncomplimentary to the pieces already there is brand ... philly should be a running team and he just doesn't fit ...0 -
The Jeagler wrote:The Fixer wrote:The Jeagler wrote:
....how come the sixers haven't been able to find one in years then? with the second pick one fell into their lap. you gotta jump all over that dude.
yeah, that iverson guy was awful while he was here
and how long ago was it that he was still here and good? 4, 5 years ago? :roll:
thanks for proving my point.
he was here so there was no need to draft a 2 guard dude.
some of your arguments are just plain stupid0 -
The Fixer wrote:The Jeagler wrote:The Fixer wrote:
and how long ago was it that he was still here and good? 4, 5 years ago? :roll:
thanks for proving my point.
he was here so there was no need to draft a 2 guard dude.
some of your arguments are just plain stupid
the point is they have not been able to find anyone who can play that spot since he left.
and, really, ai was not a pure shooter anyway. so you can make the argument that they have not had a true shooting guard in an even longer time.
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The Jeagler wrote:
the point is they have not been able to find anyone who can play that spot since he left.
and, really, ai was not a pure shooter anyway. so you can make the argument that they have not had a true shooting guard in an even longer time.
come on man...
they drafted iguodala to play the 2...that didn't work. It's still a lot easier to find a 2 guard than an effective big guy.
I don't really have a preference...I'd be fine with turner or favors. I understand the reasoning behind taking either guy. keep in mind that dalembert is a FA after this coming season. Speights isn't an NBA starter, so they're gonna need a center for the 2011 season. chances are they won't be picking in the top 5 again next year...a lot easier to draft a 2 guard in the middle of round 1 than it is to find an effective PF/C.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of favors with the 2 pick0 -
The Fixer wrote:they drafted iguodala to play the 2...that didn't work. It's still a lot easier to find a 2 guard than an effective big guy.
I don't really have a preference...I'd be fine with turner or favors. I understand the reasoning behind taking either guy. keep in mind that dalembert is a FA after this coming season. Speights isn't an NBA starter, so they're gonna need a center for the 2011 season. chances are they won't be picking in the top 5 again next year...a lot easier to draft a 2 guard in the middle of round 1 than it is to find an effective PF/C.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of favors with the 2 pick
this draft is deepest in the F/C position ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:The Fixer wrote:they drafted iguodala to play the 2...that didn't work. It's still a lot easier to find a 2 guard than an effective big guy.
I don't really have a preference...I'd be fine with turner or favors. I understand the reasoning behind taking either guy. keep in mind that dalembert is a FA after this coming season. Speights isn't an NBA starter, so they're gonna need a center for the 2011 season. chances are they won't be picking in the top 5 again next year...a lot easier to draft a 2 guard in the middle of round 1 than it is to find an effective PF/C.
The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of favors with the 2 pick
this draft is deepest in the F/C position ...
what's your point? the sixers only have the 2nd overall pick. I'm saying next year I expect them to be picking in the 10-15 range in round 1. much easier to find a 2 guard there than it will be to find an effective big guy.0 -
The Fixer wrote:what's your point? the sixers only have the 2nd overall pick. I'm saying next year I expect them to be picking in the 10-15 range in round 1. much easier to find a 2 guard there than it will be to find an effective big guy.
i just sort of read your discussion with jeagler ... my comment to you was in response to whether you are going to find a big in the second round and simply that this draft has a bunch of bigs relative to other drafts ...
i don't really buy into the there are more effective 2's than effective bigs out there ... ultimately, it's about finding the pieces to make the best possible team ... assuming you can't trade brand or iggy - i would draft turner and play iggy at the 3 and run the shit out of everyone on the court ... having said that - i haven't seen Favours play but at 18 - he's gonna be pretty raw ... i think this team can win next year easily ... and someone more seasoned and can contribute right away would be a better fit i think ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:The Fixer wrote:what's your point? the sixers only have the 2nd overall pick. I'm saying next year I expect them to be picking in the 10-15 range in round 1. much easier to find a 2 guard there than it will be to find an effective big guy.
i just sort of read your discussion with jeagler ... my comment to you was in response to whether you are going to find a big in the second round and simply that this draft has a bunch of bigs relative to other drafts ...
i don't really buy into the there are more effective 2's than effective bigs out there ... ultimately, it's about finding the pieces to make the best possible team ... assuming you can't trade brand or iggy - i would draft turner and play iggy at the 3 and run the shit out of everyone on the court ... having said that - i haven't seen Favours play but at 18 - he's gonna be pretty raw ... i think this team can win next year easily ... and someone more seasoned and can contribute right away would be a better fit i think ...
the sixers don't have a 2nd round pick this year. they are sitting at 2 overall and they're done for the night (barring a trade).
I totally disagree about putting iguodala at the 3 (which is his natural position). I think thaddeus young is a better player than iguodala right now. thad needs to play, iguodala needs to get traded.
They might go into the year as a fringe playoff team. As a fan, I think that is the worst possible place to be in. I'd rather have them blow everything up, keep holiday, thad, and speights...and rebuild around those 3 and turner/favors. Just like the eagles with the mcnabb trade, I'd rather see the team take a step back to take 2 or 3 forward down the road.
brand, dalembert, iguodala...trade all of them (brand, iggy are gonna be tough to move because of their salaries). bring young guys in and let them grow together.
they take favors this year, then they have a PG and PF/C. Those are the two toughest positions to fill. Thad at the 3 and speights coming off the bench. Add pieces via trade and future draft picks. at least this puts the team headed in the right direction.0 -
The Fixer wrote:the sixers don't have a 2nd round pick this year. they are sitting at 2 overall and they're done for the night (barring a trade).
I totally disagree about putting iguodala at the 3 (which is his natural position). I think thaddeus young is a better player than iguodala right now. thad needs to play, iguodala needs to get traded.
They might go into the year as a fringe playoff team. As a fan, I think that is the worst possible place to be in. I'd rather have them blow everything up, keep holiday, thad, and speights...and rebuild around those 3 and turner/favors. Just like the eagles with the mcnabb trade, I'd rather see the team take a step back to take 2 or 3 forward down the road.
brand, dalembert, iguodala...trade all of them (brand, iggy are gonna be tough to move because of their salaries). bring young guys in and let them grow together.
they take favors this year, then they have a PG and PF/C. Those are the two toughest positions to fill. Thad at the 3 and speights coming off the bench. Add pieces via trade and future draft picks. at least this puts the team headed in the right direction.
i don't disagree with your philosophy ... it depends on how you evaluate your talent ... iggy should be playing the 3 and i'm going with the assumption that either you can't trade him or get good value for trading him (same with brand) ... iggy is a great player in the right system ... he tried to do too much this year but at the end of the day - you aren't too many 3's that can board, pass, defend and run the floor like he can ... sure, his jumpshot is suspect and he misses way too many FT's for my liking ... he's just not a goto guy but he can be a great piece to a puzzle ...
thad is another guy who can run the floor but he's nowhere near as versatile as iggy ...
you can get by in this league weak at the 1 and 5 ... just look at the teams remaining in the playoffs ... lakers don't have a true 1 ... suns don't really have a great 5 (although lopez is looking better by the day) ... boston has like 4 bigs that rotate positions ... ultimatelyk, it's putting together the right pieces and everyone knowing their role and playing as a team ... i like the experience and polish of turner for the nba game who i think can make an impact right away with your serviceable bigs you got now (brand, dalembert, speights) ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:The Fixer wrote:the sixers don't have a 2nd round pick this year. they are sitting at 2 overall and they're done for the night (barring a trade).
I totally disagree about putting iguodala at the 3 (which is his natural position). I think thaddeus young is a better player than iguodala right now. thad needs to play, iguodala needs to get traded.
They might go into the year as a fringe playoff team. As a fan, I think that is the worst possible place to be in. I'd rather have them blow everything up, keep holiday, thad, and speights...and rebuild around those 3 and turner/favors. Just like the eagles with the mcnabb trade, I'd rather see the team take a step back to take 2 or 3 forward down the road.
brand, dalembert, iguodala...trade all of them (brand, iggy are gonna be tough to move because of their salaries). bring young guys in and let them grow together.
they take favors this year, then they have a PG and PF/C. Those are the two toughest positions to fill. Thad at the 3 and speights coming off the bench. Add pieces via trade and future draft picks. at least this puts the team headed in the right direction.
iggy is a great player in the right system ... he's just not a goto guy but he can be a great piece to a puzzle ...
thad is another guy who can run the floor but he's nowhere near as versatile as iggy ...
you can get by in this league weak at the 1 and 5 ... just look at the teams remaining in the playoffs ... lakers don't have a true 1 ... suns don't really have a great 5 (although lopez is looking better by the day) ... boston has like 4 bigs that rotate positions ... ultimatelyk, it's putting together the right pieces and everyone knowing their role and playing as a team ... i like the experience and polish of turner for the nba game who i think can make an impact right away with your serviceable bigs you got now (brand, dalembert, speights) ...
your first sentence here is right on...that's the problem with iggy as a sixer. he makes the most money on the team and he is their first scoring option. that's not his game. a team will never win with him playing that role. he would be great as a third option.
I disagree that iggy > thad. thad had a bad year last year, but he was hurt and openly admitted he was lost in eddie jordan's dumb ass offense. I think he takes off this year if he's given the 3 from day 1 of training camp.
lakers don't have a true 1, but kobe brings the ball up a lot. and they run that triangle offense, so they really don't need a true point guard. suns don't have a 5, but stoudamire is a hybrid 4/5 (I think he blows, but he can score). boston has garnett, who's past his prime, but still effective at the 4/5.
my point is that teams need a premier player at one of those positions (the 1 or 4/5). Holiday actually reminds me a lot of maurice cheeks. he can score if he needs to, but he is more of a true point guard...he also plays solid on the ball defense like cheeks did. turner isn't going to be a superstar. from what I've read people are comparing him to brandon roy, who is a good player, but not someone that can carry a team for long stretches. turner certainly seems like a safe pick, but favors may offer more upside.
we'll see, it's an interesting debate. I'm sure the sixers will fuck it up somehow0 -
Here's the problem with Iguadola - he wants to shoot and be the superstar. BIG problem. Has the worst jump shot in the history of the NBA.0
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brandon roy is a GREAT player ... he is definitely a GO-TO guy in the nba ... we probably don't get to see much of him on the east coast but every time i watch him play - i wish the raps drafted him ...
in any case - i like young (i drafted dalembert, iggy and young in my fantasy team this year - and i won) but he can't pass like iggy ... getting 5+ dimes from your 3 is huge ... favors might turn out to be a better pick a few years down the line and if my assessment of the team now is waaay off - that might be the better strategy ... but in the eastern conference - you don't need much to compete and i think the sixers are a lot closer than most think ... they need a guy who they can give the ball to in the 4th qtr ... turner looks like the guy to me ...0 -
polaris_x wrote:brandon roy is a GREAT player ... he is definitely a GO-TO guy in the nba ... we probably don't get to see much of him on the east coast but every time i watch him play - i wish the raps drafted him ...
in any case - i like young (i drafted dalembert, iggy and young in my fantasy team this year - and i won) but he can't pass like iggy ... getting 5+ dimes from your 3 is huge ... favors might turn out to be a better pick a few years down the line and if my assessment of the team now is waaay off - that might be the better strategy ... but in the eastern conference - you don't need much to compete and i think the sixers are a lot closer than most think ... they need a guy who they can give the ball to in the 4th qtr ... turner looks like the guy to me ...
fair enough...good points.
I don't want a team that will just compete though...I want a team capable of winning it all.0 -
polaris_x wrote:The Fixer wrote:what's your point? the sixers only have the 2nd overall pick. I'm saying next year I expect them to be picking in the 10-15 range in round 1. much easier to find a 2 guard there than it will be to find an effective big guy.
i just sort of read your discussion with jeagler ... my comment to you was in response to whether you are going to find a big in the second round and simply that this draft has a bunch of bigs relative to other drafts ...
i don't really buy into the there are more effective 2's than effective bigs out there ... ultimately, it's about finding the pieces to make the best possible team ... assuming you can't trade brand or iggy - i would draft turner and play iggy at the 3 and run the shit out of everyone on the court ... having said that - i haven't seen Favours play but at 18 - he's gonna be pretty raw ... i think this team can win next year easily ... and someone more seasoned and can contribute right away would be a better fit i think ...
this guy is on point.
and if teams are really interested in iggy or dalembert, we'll grab a late round first and snag of those bigs there. BANG. DONE.www.myspace.com0 -
ed stefanski = ed wade
I think dalembert blows, but this trade sucks. fire his ass0
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