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eeriepadave · February 2018

carrying the momentum from the eagles game i see tonight.

eeriepadave · February 2018

eeriepadave said:

carrying the momentum from the eagles game i see tonight.

nice win last night against the Clippers as well. 3rd spot to about the 9th spot is pretty close (separated by about 5 games).

The Juggler · February 2018

eeriepadave said:

eeriepadave said:

carrying the momentum from the eagles game i see tonight.

nice win last night against the Clippers as well. 3rd spot to about the 9th spot is pretty close (separated by about 5 games).

Only 1 back, in the loss column, of the 4th seed. They've played one of the toughest schedules so far and have one of the easiest remaining.

Belinelli is a decent pick up. Slightly better version of Bayless to help the bench out.

The Juggler · February 2018

Triple double for TIMOTHY JOHN

Indifference71 · February 2018

I haven't really read much about it and have just seen headlines, but what the fuck is going on with Fultz?? The guy has the yips and forgot how to shoot?? Bizarre.

The Juggler · February 2018

Indifference71 said:

I haven't really read much about it and have just seen headlines, but what the fuck is going on with Fultz?? The guy has the yips and forgot how to shoot?? Bizarre.

It is the damndest thing.

eeriepadave · February 2018

The Juggler said:

Triple double for TIMOTHY JOHN

heard that was the 25th time in nba history a bench player had a triple double. miami up next.

Jearlpam0925 · February 2018

This whole goddamn thing is a mess. I don't understand why you would mess with your form when it hasn't let you down....

Athletic article - https://theathletic.com/238687/2018/02/13/sources-markelle-fultz-significantly-altered-his-jump-shot-over-the-summer/

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"Sources: Markelle Fultz significantly altered his jump shot over the summer

Derek Bodner 20 hours ago

Markelle Fultz and his longtime trainer, confidant and family friend, Keith Williams, made significant alterations to his shooting form in the months leading up to the start of the Sixers' season, according to multiple sources who spoke to The Athletic on the condition of anonymity.

These changes were described as an effort to quicken his shot, shorten the dip in his shooting mechanics and bring his set point over to the right side of his body, according to sources with knowledge of the changes Fultz made over the summer.

The early stages of these changes were evident by the time Fultz began working out for teams leading up to the draft last June, according to a source who spoke to The Athletic and was privy to these workouts. The changes became more pronounced by the time Fultz arrived at training camp in September.

Fultz and Williams returned to the gym at the conclusion of the Las Vegas Summer League in July, where they continued working to alter the former Washington guard's jumper through the beginning of September, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.

When Fultz returned to the team in the middle of September his lack of confidence in his new jump shot was immediately apparent, according to multiple sources. The team's efforts to revert Fultz back to the shooting form he showed at Washington began almost immediately.

Fultz, 19, averaged 23.2 points, 5.7 rebounds and 5.9 assists per game at Washington, shooting 47.6 percent from the field and 41.3 percent on 126 three-point attempts during his only season in college, firmly establishing himself as the consensus top prospect in the NBA draft.

Williams has been a close friend of the Fultz family for years, transcending the typical trainer/student dynamic in ways that far more resemble a mentor and father figure. He helped Fultz develop into being the top recruit in the nation, and has been an important part of Fultz's life outside of basketball for years.

Williams is no stranger to grooming NBA prospects, having worked extensively with the likes of DeMarcus Cousins, Kevin Durant, Lonny Baxter, Marcus Thornton and many more. Reached by The Athletic, Williams denied having made significant changes to Fultz's shot since he left Washington. Williams does acknowledge they have worked on what he said were a few minor alterations, including limiting the dip at the beginning of his shooting motion.

Williams declined to comment further. The Sixers declined to comment for this article.

The Sixers traded up to the top overall selection in last year's draft to select Fultz, giving up the No. 3 overall pick in the 2017 draft and a future first-round pick to Boston to do so. The outstanding pick still owed by the Sixers will be the Lakers' 2018 selection if it falls between No. 2 overall and No. 5 overall following May's lottery. If it doesn't convey this year, the Sixers will instead send the better of the 2019 Kings or Sixers first-round pick as long as the better pick doesn't become the No. 1 overall selection. If the better pick does land in the top spot, Boston will receive the lesser of the two picks.

Those who spoke to The Athletic indicated these shot alterations were changes Fultz had been working on for quite a bit of time, not something he was forced to make in response to the shoulder soreness and scapular muscle imbalance in the shoulder that would first be revealed months after the initial efforts by Fultz and Williams began.

The first indication that there was a problem with Fultz's shoulder came on October 5, when the rookie guard sat out of practice. He would miss the preseason game against the Boston Celtics the following night, and in all he would miss three of the final four preseason games because of a combination of shoulder and knee soreness, according to injury reports released by the team.

Fultz would return for the regular-season opener, playing four ineffective games before eventually being shut down on October 25. Fultz averaged 6.0 points and 1.8 assists per game before being shut down, shooting just 33.3 percent from the field and making just 6 of his 12 free-throw attempts, and without a long distance shot to his credit.

Fultz's stint on the bench started when his agent, Raymond Brothers, revealed on October 25 that Fultz had received a cortisone shot back on October 5. Brothers stated that Fultz “literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball” as part of that ESPN report. League sources confirmed to The Athletic that Fultz continued to shoot jumpers after Brothers' statement in an effort to regain his past form, as first reported as part of an extensive report by Philly Voice.

Later that day, both president of basketball operations Bryan Colangelo and head coach Brett Brown separately discussed the Sixers' plans going forward with Fultz and his sore shoulder.

“Sometime during the month of August, he might have worked on his shot a little bit. [It] could even be the cause of the irritation and inflammation in the shoulder,” Colangelo said on October 25 about Fultz. “New shooting mechanics sometimes puts your shoulder in a different position.”

Colangelo would later walk that back a little bit, stating the Sixers weren't sure if the changed mechanics were in response to, or the cause of, the soreness Fultz was experiencing in his shoulder.

“Whatever the case, whichever happened first, he's dealing with soreness and nothing more,” Colangelo said at the time regarding Fultz's shoulder.

“There is zero doubt that Markelle, in the goodness in his heart, in trying to do the right thing, tried to readjust his shot,” Brown said prior to Sixers' game against the Houston Rockets, pointing to an uncommon gather and rise-up that occasionally leads to a set-point further left than is typical. “He has historically been a left hip guy. And on his own he decided, with some help, to be able to try to improve it.”

Brown reiterated later in the interview that Fultz's change was intentional. “He came back over the summer with that [change] and that was just something he was into doing, and we wanted to help promote that. He spent a lot of time doing that,” Brown said.

However, in the intervening time the focus shifted to the scapular muscle imbalance as being the possible cause of Fultz's change in mechanics.

While the prevailing belief is that the scapular muscle imbalance Fultz was diagnosed with on October 29 has likely played a role in Fultz's struggles to return to form, multiple sources with knowledge of Fultz's offseason workouts described the mechanical changes in his jump shot as significant and intentional, leaving the Sixers' rookie guard unprepared to play at the start of training camp.

Following last week's trade deadline, Colangelo acknowledged that there's a possibility Fultz might not return this season.

“There's always a chance that he's going to be out there soon, and there's a chance that he's not going to play this year,” Colangelo said, having described Fultz's current shooting range as being restricted to within the paint. “We hope to see him this year. If not, we will wait until he's ready to participate and help, and put him in a position to succeed.”

Regardless of how the situation got to this point, it has certainly been one of the stranger NBA rookie seasons. For a 19-year-old whose entire life has been centered around basketball, and subjected to scrutiny few can imagine, it's also likely been one of the more trying periods in a lifelong dedication to the sport."

cutz · February 2018

^^^^THANKS FOR THE ARTICLE.^^^

I agree: this is a MESS. I can't recall this happening to a basketball player before. Maybe a player was mind-fucked shooting FT"s, but not just shooting/playing the game of basketball. I've seen MLB pitchers who would just loose it, but not Basketball players.

tempo_n_groove · February 2018

Jearlpam0925 said:

This whole goddamn thing is a mess. I don't understand why you would mess with your form when it hasn't let you down....

Athletic article - https://theathletic.com/238687/2018/02/13/sources-markelle-fultz-significantly-altered-his-jump-shot-over-the-summer/

Get a subscription, but here....

"Sources: Markelle Fultz significantly altered his jump shot over the summer
Derek Bodner 20 hours ago
Markelle Fultz and his longtime trainer, confidant and family friend, Keith Williams, made significant alterations to his shooting form in the months leading up to the start of the Sixers' season, according to multiple sources who spoke to The Athletic on the condition of anonymity.
These changes were described as an effort to quicken his shot, shorten the dip in his shooting mechanics and bring his set point over to the right side of his body, according to sources with knowledge of the changes Fultz made over the summer.
The early stages of these changes were evident by the time Fultz began working out for teams leading up to the draft last June, according to a source who spoke to The Athletic and was privy to these workouts. The changes became more pronounced by the time Fultz arrived at training camp in September.
Fultz and Williams returned to the gym at the conclusion of the Las Vegas Summer League in July, where they continued working to alter the former Washington guard's jumper through the beginning of September, according to sources with knowledge of the situation.
When Fultz returned to the team in the middle of September his lack of confidence in his new jump shot was immediately apparent, according to multiple sources. The team's efforts to revert Fultz back to the shooting form he showed at Washington began almost immediately.
Fultz, 19, averaged 23.2 points, 5.7 rebounds and 5.9 assists per game at Washington, shooting 47.6 percent from the field and 41.3 percent on 126 three-point attempts during his only season in college, firmly establishing himself as the consensus top prospect in the NBA draft.
Williams has been a close friend of the Fultz family for years, transcending the typical trainer/student dynamic in ways that far more resemble a mentor and father figure. He helped Fultz develop into being the top recruit in the nation, and has been an important part of Fultz's life outside of basketball for years.
Williams is no stranger to grooming NBA prospects, having worked extensively with the likes of DeMarcus Cousins, Kevin Durant, Lonny Baxter, Marcus Thornton and many more. Reached by The Athletic, Williams denied having made significant changes to Fultz's shot since he left Washington. Williams does acknowledge they have worked on what he said were a few minor alterations, including limiting the dip at the beginning of his shooting motion.
Williams declined to comment further. The Sixers declined to comment for this article.
The Sixers traded up to the top overall selection in last year's draft to select Fultz, giving up the No. 3 overall pick in the 2017 draft and a future first-round pick to Boston to do so. The outstanding pick still owed by the Sixers will be the Lakers' 2018 selection if it falls between No. 2 overall and No. 5 overall following May's lottery. If it doesn't convey this year, the Sixers will instead send the better of the 2019 Kings or Sixers first-round pick as long as the better pick doesn't become the No. 1 overall selection. If the better pick does land in the top spot, Boston will receive the lesser of the two picks.
Those who spoke to The Athletic indicated these shot alterations were changes Fultz had been working on for quite a bit of time, not something he was forced to make in response to the shoulder soreness and scapular muscle imbalance in the shoulder that would first be revealed months after the initial efforts by Fultz and Williams began.
The first indication that there was a problem with Fultz's shoulder came on October 5, when the rookie guard sat out of practice. He would miss the preseason game against the Boston Celtics the following night, and in all he would miss three of the final four preseason games because of a combination of shoulder and knee soreness, according to injury reports released by the team.
Fultz would return for the regular-season opener, playing four ineffective games before eventually being shut down on October 25. Fultz averaged 6.0 points and 1.8 assists per game before being shut down, shooting just 33.3 percent from the field and making just 6 of his 12 free-throw attempts, and without a long distance shot to his credit.
Fultz's stint on the bench started when his agent, Raymond Brothers, revealed on October 25 that Fultz had received a cortisone shot back on October 5. Brothers stated that Fultz “literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball” as part of that ESPN report. League sources confirmed to The Athletic that Fultz continued to shoot jumpers after Brothers' statement in an effort to regain his past form, as first reported as part of an extensive report by Philly Voice.
Later that day, both president of basketball operations Bryan Colangelo and head coach Brett Brown separately discussed the Sixers' plans going forward with Fultz and his sore shoulder.
“Sometime during the month of August, he might have worked on his shot a little bit. [It] could even be the cause of the irritation and inflammation in the shoulder,” Colangelo said on October 25 about Fultz. “New shooting mechanics sometimes puts your shoulder in a different position.”
Colangelo would later walk that back a little bit, stating the Sixers weren't sure if the changed mechanics were in response to, or the cause of, the soreness Fultz was experiencing in his shoulder.
“Whatever the case, whichever happened first, he's dealing with soreness and nothing more,” Colangelo said at the time regarding Fultz's shoulder.
“There is zero doubt that Markelle, in the goodness in his heart, in trying to do the right thing, tried to readjust his shot,” Brown said prior to Sixers' game against the Houston Rockets, pointing to an uncommon gather and rise-up that occasionally leads to a set-point further left than is typical. “He has historically been a left hip guy. And on his own he decided, with some help, to be able to try to improve it.”
Brown reiterated later in the interview that Fultz's change was intentional. “He came back over the summer with that [change] and that was just something he was into doing, and we wanted to help promote that. He spent a lot of time doing that,” Brown said.
However, in the intervening time the focus shifted to the scapular muscle imbalance as being the possible cause of Fultz's change in mechanics.
While the prevailing belief is that the scapular muscle imbalance Fultz was diagnosed with on October 29 has likely played a role in Fultz's struggles to return to form, multiple sources with knowledge of Fultz's offseason workouts described the mechanical changes in his jump shot as significant and intentional, leaving the Sixers' rookie guard unprepared to play at the start of training camp.
Following last week's trade deadline, Colangelo acknowledged that there's a possibility Fultz might not return this season.
“There's always a chance that he's going to be out there soon, and there's a chance that he's not going to play this year,” Colangelo said, having described Fultz's current shooting range as being restricted to within the paint. “We hope to see him this year. If not, we will wait until he's ready to participate and help, and put him in a position to succeed.”
Regardless of how the situation got to this point, it has certainly been one of the stranger NBA rookie seasons. For a 19-year-old whose entire life has been centered around basketball, and subjected to scrutiny few can imagine, it's also likely been one of the more trying periods in a lifelong dedication to the sport."

Anybody ever think that it's just in his head?

Wohlers and Knoblauch, both baseball players, lost the ability to throw the baseball.

It is weird but it could be happening to Fultz?

Jearlpam0925 · February 2018

I think that's what this article is ultimately getting at - yes, he looked to improve his stroke, but instead ended up fucking everything up - including gettting the fucking yips. And now here we all are. And I gotta think it's only worse that he's 19 years old.

Saw that tweet where Embiid was doing an interview and was pretty open about the idea that it's the people around Fultz that are fucking him.

The Juggler · February 2018

I've been saying it's in his head this entire time...

eeriepadave · February 2018

embiid out tonight. sixers hanging in there though. were down by like 24 at one point. now only down by about 10 towards the end of the 3rd quarter.

Wobbie · February 2018

donovan mitchell = ROY. to say otherwise means you haven’t been watching.

The Juggler · February 2018

Wobbie said:

donovan mitchell = ROY. to say otherwise means you haven’t been watching.

Mitchel is a good scorer. He averages 3 more points than Simmons while taking 3 more shots.

Simmons averages more:
Steals
Rebounds
Assists
Blocks
Higher field goal %
Better defensive rating
Better +/- ratio
Higher VORP
Higher PER

And he’s tied with Magic Johnson as the only rookies in NBA history with 6 triple doubles...and he still has 2 month’s left to play.

Thanks for stopping by, Wob.

Jearlpam0925 · February 2018

The Juggler said:

I've been saying it's in his head this entire time...

Duly noted.

Jearlpam0925 · February 2018

The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

donovan mitchell = ROY. to say otherwise means you haven’t been watching.

Mitchel is a good scorer. He averages 3 more points than Simmons while taking 3 more shots.

Simmons averages more:
Steals
Rebounds
Assists
Blocks
Higher field goal %
Better defensive rating
Better +/- ratio
Higher VORP
Higher PER

And he’s tied with Magic Johnson as the only rookies in NBA history with 6 triple doubles...and he still has 2 month’s left to play.

Thanks for stopping by, Wob.

Annnnd boom. Methinks Wob only watches Jazz games. (the joke here is I only watch Sixers games)

EDIT: There is also this:

https://twitter.com/CSeidmanNBCS/status/964147559651561472

The Juggler · February 2018

Process held his own out there last night...

tempo_n_groove · February 2018

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

donovan mitchell = ROY. to say otherwise means you haven’t been watching.

Mitchel is a good scorer. He averages 3 more points than Simmons while taking 3 more shots.

Simmons averages more:
Steals
Rebounds
Assists
Blocks
Higher field goal %
Better defensive rating
Better +/- ratio
Higher VORP
Higher PER

And he’s tied with Magic Johnson as the only rookies in NBA history with 6 triple doubles...and he still has 2 month’s left to play.

Thanks for stopping by, Wob.

Annnnd boom. Methinks Wob only watches Jazz games. (the joke here is I only watch Sixers games)

EDIT: There is also this:

https://twitter.com/CSeidmanNBCS/status/964147559651561472

The reason why no one has had those stats before is because nobody has ever thought to make that a friggin stat...

I love when people make up shit to make something sound epic...

The Juggler · February 2018

tempo_n_groove said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

The Juggler said:

Wobbie said:

donovan mitchell = ROY. to say otherwise means you haven’t been watching.

Mitchel is a good scorer. He averages 3 more points than Simmons while taking 3 more shots.

Simmons averages more:
Steals
Rebounds
Assists
Blocks
Higher field goal %
Better defensive rating
Better +/- ratio
Higher VORP
Higher PER

And he’s tied with Magic Johnson as the only rookies in NBA history with 6 triple doubles...and he still has 2 month’s left to play.

Thanks for stopping by, Wob.

Annnnd boom. Methinks Wob only watches Jazz games. (the joke here is I only watch Sixers games)

EDIT: There is also this:

https://twitter.com/CSeidmanNBCS/status/964147559651561472

The reason why no one has had those stats before is because nobody has ever thought to make that a friggin stat...

I love when people make up shit to make something sound epic...

What do you mean? Those are 5 separate stats that, apparently, no one has ever averaged together in the same season. What's made up?

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