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The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Take the night and lose!!!

Remember when people were excited about this team and others told them they weren't going anywhere?

yeah

the cycle continues...groundhog day

haha...yeah, i think expectations change when your all star center doesn't get on the court once.

your best player? I guess that only matters in certain sports? weird

core of this team was never as good as you and other fans thought it was. I tried telling you this numerous times. Even with bynum they are an avg team at best

what do you mean best player?

the core is decent (saw a basketball prospectus ranking that had both jrue and thad listed in the top 25 players under 25 years old--only team to have more than 1 player). just need a low post prescense. i think you said the sixers "whiffed" on the holiday pick at one point. the kid has turned into an elite level point guard. thad is playing real well. turner, while inconsistent, has put up decent numbers--he should be even better with a guy like bynum drawing double teams and stuff.

you just cannot win without a low post presence to speak of.

mix a healthy bynum with an all star caliber point guard, and you're a much better team (the one that was expected when people were making predictions). there's a reason their o/u win total was at 48. that's about where i thought they would be. now, will the guy ever be healthy again, is obviously the million dollar question. at this point, i really have no idea what to do with him.

for years people have wanted them to rid themselves of the 2 bad contracts, turn the roster over, completely to the young players, and acquire a super star. they did all of these things. the guy they got just injured. so the season is pretty much a waste as a result.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

what do you mean best player?

the core is decent (saw a basketball prospectus ranking that had both jrue and thad listed in the top 25 players under 25 years old--only team to have more than 1 player). just need a low post prescense. i think you said the sixers "whiffed" on the holiday pick at one point. the kid has turned into an elite level point guard. thad is playing real well. turner, while inconsistent, has put up decent numbers--he should be even better with a guy like bynum drawing double teams and stuff.

you just cannot win without a low post presence to speak of.

mix a healthy bynum with an all star caliber point guard, and you're a much better team (the one that was expected when people were making predictions). there's a reason their o/u win total was at 48. that's about where i thought they would be. now, will the guy ever be healthy again, is obviously the million dollar question. at this point, i really have no idea what to do with him.

for years people have wanted them to rid themselves of the 2 bad contracts, turn the roster over, completely to the young players, and acquire a super star. they did all of these things. the guy they got just injured. so the season is pretty much a waste as a result.

eagles also lost their best player before the season started

re: low post presence...weren't you ok with the hawes signing?

I saw the under 25 article too. funny that turner wasn't mentioned. he's the one I called a bust, not holiday. I did say that I thought taking holiday over lawson may have been a mistake. I do like holiday a lot though...he's the only guy on the roster who's worth a damn.

what's this healthy bynum that you speak of?

I also read that even with all the money that the sixers cleared by moving brand and iguodala, that they are still not in a good cap situation heading into this offseason. apparently there are a number of teams who will have more money to spend than the sixers.

new owners, same inept franchise

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

what do you mean best player?

the core is decent (saw a basketball prospectus ranking that had both jrue and thad listed in the top 25 players under 25 years old--only team to have more than 1 player). just need a low post prescense. i think you said the sixers "whiffed" on the holiday pick at one point. the kid has turned into an elite level point guard. thad is playing real well. turner, while inconsistent, has put up decent numbers--he should be even better with a guy like bynum drawing double teams and stuff.

you just cannot win without a low post presence to speak of.

mix a healthy bynum with an all star caliber point guard, and you're a much better team (the one that was expected when people were making predictions). there's a reason their o/u win total was at 48. that's about where i thought they would be. now, will the guy ever be healthy again, is obviously the million dollar question. at this point, i really have no idea what to do with him.

for years people have wanted them to rid themselves of the 2 bad contracts, turn the roster over, completely to the young players, and acquire a super star. they did all of these things. the guy they got just injured. so the season is pretty much a waste as a result.

eagles also lost their best player before the season started

re: low post presence...weren't you ok with the hawes signing?

I saw the under 25 article too. funny that turner wasn't mentioned. he's the one I called a bust, not holiday. I did say that I thought taking holiday over lawson may have been a mistake. I do like holiday a lot though...he's the only guy on the roster who's worth a damn.

what's this healthy bynum that you speak of?

I also read that even with all the money that the sixers cleared by moving brand and iguodala, that they are still not in a good cap situation heading into this offseason. apparently there are a number of teams who will have more money to spend than the sixers.

new owners, same inept franchise

there are 5 guys on a basketball court. there are 22 starters on a football team. and the eagles tried and failed to adequately replace peters. the sixers have not been able to replace the guy their entire team was built around. don't think the two situations are comparable. if peters was an all pro qb, then i could see your point.

i always said i would like hawes coming off the bench. i liked the idea of him spelling bynum and playing a little with him. hate the idea of hawes as your only center (kwame brown doesn't count).

they obviously anticipated bynum being healthy. with him, it would be a totally different team. you can't just overlook that.

turner's not a bust. there are not many players in the league who put up 14pts, 7rbs, and 4assists per game. 41% from 3pt range too. he's a decent player. definitely not a star...but jrue is on his way. i will take holiday over lawson hands down.

they have 42 million in guaranteed contracts for 13/14. the cap is 58 million. so they will have room to do something for the first time in years. this isn't the ed snyder sixers. they just had horrible luck with the bynum injury this year.

eeriepadave

Just heard Jrue was announced as a reserved all star

The Juggler

eeriepadave wrote:

Just heard Jrue was announced as a reserved all star

dude that's awesome! i just saw that.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

what do you mean best player?

the core is decent (saw a basketball prospectus ranking that had both jrue and thad listed in the top 25 players under 25 years old--only team to have more than 1 player). just need a low post prescense. i think you said the sixers "whiffed" on the holiday pick at one point. the kid has turned into an elite level point guard. thad is playing real well. turner, while inconsistent, has put up decent numbers--he should be even better with a guy like bynum drawing double teams and stuff.

you just cannot win without a low post presence to speak of.

mix a healthy bynum with an all star caliber point guard, and you're a much better team (the one that was expected when people were making predictions). there's a reason their o/u win total was at 48. that's about where i thought they would be. now, will the guy ever be healthy again, is obviously the million dollar question. at this point, i really have no idea what to do with him.

for years people have wanted them to rid themselves of the 2 bad contracts, turn the roster over, completely to the young players, and acquire a super star. they did all of these things. the guy they got just injured. so the season is pretty much a waste as a result.

eagles also lost their best player before the season started

re: low post presence...weren't you ok with the hawes signing?

I saw the under 25 article too. funny that turner wasn't mentioned. he's the one I called a bust, not holiday. I did say that I thought taking holiday over lawson may have been a mistake. I do like holiday a lot though...he's the only guy on the roster who's worth a damn.

what's this healthy bynum that you speak of?

I also read that even with all the money that the sixers cleared by moving brand and iguodala, that they are still not in a good cap situation heading into this offseason. apparently there are a number of teams who will have more money to spend than the sixers.

new owners, same inept franchise

there are 5 guys on a basketball court. there are 22 starters on a football team. and the eagles tried and failed to adequately replace peters. the sixers have not been able to replace the guy their entire team was built around. don't think the two situations are comparable. if peters was an all pro qb, then i could see your point.

i always said i would like hawes coming off the bench. i liked the idea of him spelling bynum and playing a little with him. hate the idea of hawes as your only center (kwame brown doesn't count).

they obviously anticipated bynum being healthy. with him, it would be a totally different team. you can't just overlook that.

turner's not a bust. there are not many players in the league who put up 14pts, 7rbs, and 4assists per game. 41% from 3pt range too. he's a decent player. definitely not a star...but jrue is on his way. i will take holiday over lawson hands down.

they have 42 million in guaranteed contracts for 13/14. the cap is 58 million. so they will have room to do something for the first time in years. this isn't the ed snyder sixers. they just had horrible luck with the bynum injury this year.

it's not bad luck for an injury prone player to get hurt.

I'd take holiday over lawson too. holiday had a bad year last year, but this year he has taken a huge step forward. I'd much rather have a bigger, versatile guard like holiday (this year's version, who gets his teammates involved and doesn't gun every time up the court) than a small guy like lawson.

I'm not a turner fan. He should be the first guy they look to trade...right now.

Hawes has to sit down to pee. I can't stand him. 7 feet tall and he wants to shoot threes.

Stay positive. I'm really not sure how you do it with this franchise

Also, it's snider

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

eagles also lost their best player before the season started

re: low post presence...weren't you ok with the hawes signing?

I saw the under 25 article too. funny that turner wasn't mentioned. he's the one I called a bust, not holiday. I did say that I thought taking holiday over lawson may have been a mistake. I do like holiday a lot though...he's the only guy on the roster who's worth a damn.

what's this healthy bynum that you speak of?

I also read that even with all the money that the sixers cleared by moving brand and iguodala, that they are still not in a good cap situation heading into this offseason. apparently there are a number of teams who will have more money to spend than the sixers.

new owners, same inept franchise

there are 5 guys on a basketball court. there are 22 starters on a football team. and the eagles tried and failed to adequately replace peters. the sixers have not been able to replace the guy their entire team was built around. don't think the two situations are comparable. if peters was an all pro qb, then i could see your point.

i always said i would like hawes coming off the bench. i liked the idea of him spelling bynum and playing a little with him. hate the idea of hawes as your only center (kwame brown doesn't count).

they obviously anticipated bynum being healthy. with him, it would be a totally different team. you can't just overlook that.

turner's not a bust. there are not many players in the league who put up 14pts, 7rbs, and 4assists per game. 41% from 3pt range too. he's a decent player. definitely not a star...but jrue is on his way. i will take holiday over lawson hands down.

they have 42 million in guaranteed contracts for 13/14. the cap is 58 million. so they will have room to do something for the first time in years. this isn't the ed snyder sixers. they just had horrible luck with the bynum injury this year.

it's not bad luck for an injury prone player to get hurt.

I'd take holiday over lawson too. holiday had a bad year last year, but this year he has taken a huge step forward. I'd much rather have a bigger, versatile guard like holiday (this year's version, who gets his teammates involved and doesn't gun every time up the court) than a small guy like lawson.

I'm not a turner fan. He should be the first guy they look to trade...right now.

Hawes has to sit down to pee. I can't stand him. 7 feet tall and he wants to shoot threes.

Stay positive. I'm really not sure how you do it with this franchise

Also, it's snider

well nobody expected him to miss this much time. that's unlucky.

that is why i like holiday too. he can post up a lot of the other pg's in the league. so much more assertive this year. once bynum is healthy, or they obtain another big this summer, we're looking at him being one of the best pg's in the league for the next 10 years.

i get why people aren't big on turner. i'm not opposed to trading him for the right deal. but i'm happy with his progression this year so far and think he can still get better.


tough to be positive about anything other than jrue getting some recognition this year.

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eeriepadave wrote:

Just heard Jrue was announced as a reserved all star

that's it....we have two....plus an MVP on his way back . :P

The Fixer

just looked it up. 8 teams have more cap space than the sixers heading into the offseason

they also don't have their first round pick, which is always a good strategy when you're trying to build a core.

just once I'd like them to have a plan. it's really not asking much

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

just looked it up. 8 teams have more cap space than the sixers heading into the offseason

they also don't have their first round pick, which is always a good strategy when you're trying to build a core.

just once I'd like them to have a plan. it's really not asking much

the pick is protected. mid to late first round picks are such a crap shoot anyway. very rare you end up with a guy like holiday.

and they have about 16M.
normally no team has less space than the sixers.

The Fixer

I don't think turner fits with this group of players. namely thad and holiday. he has to have the ball more often than he does to be effective. and his play will never justify his salary because of where they picked him.

also, he's one of the few guys on this roster who would bring anything back via trade.

would be nice to still have vucevic. he's been killing it this year. I said I liked him last year. Never understood why collins buried him on the bench...especially when you consider that guys like tony battie were playing instead of him :roll:

I think collins needs to go too. Does this team even have an offensive system? or set plays? I would say no. I think during timeouts, collins just says, ok jrue bring the ball up and find an open shooter. if no one is open just create your own shot. this is especially evident at the end of close games. I'd love a guy like scott skiles

neilybabes86

give it up with the sixers ..lord they have no shot at winning in the east

lakers suck also....but jeez

The Fixer

neilybabes86 wrote:

give it up with the sixers ..lord they have no shot at winning in the east

lakers suck also....but jeez

the sixers are the same as they always are. not good enough to win anything...not bad enough to put themselves in a position to get better.

it's a joke

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scott skiles is still riding the coattails of his 20 assist game

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

I don't think turner fits with this group of players. namely thad and holiday. he has to have the ball more often than he does to be effective. and his play will never justify his salary because of where they picked him.

also, he's one of the few guys on this roster who would bring anything back via trade.

would be nice to still have vucevic. he's been killing it this year. I said I liked him last year. Never understood why collins buried him on the bench...especially when you consider that guys like tony battie were playing instead of him :roll:

I think collins needs to go too. Does this team even have an offensive system? or set plays? I would say no. I think during timeouts, collins just says, ok jrue bring the ball up and find an open shooter. if no one is open just create your own shot. this is especially evident at the end of close games. I'd love a guy like scott skiles

i think turner and jrue have done okay with sharing some of the ball handling responsibilities this year. the key has been turner developing his sweet spot in the corner.

lavoy allen outplayed vuc last year down the stretch and was really good in the playoffs. i like vuc too, but nobody really saw this coming. and, again, if andrew bynum was healthy, we wouldn't really be missing him.

collins got the max out of this team the last couple years. this year, again--i can't quite fault him for riding jrue as much as he has. this team just cannot win without a low post presence.

The Juggler

neilybabes86 wrote:

give it up with the sixers ..lord they have no shot at winning in the east

lakers suck also....but jeez

love watching the lakers play as poorly as the sixers have this year.


really though, you think the sixers don't have a shot at winning the east this year? what makes you think that.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

I don't think turner fits with this group of players. namely thad and holiday. he has to have the ball more often than he does to be effective. and his play will never justify his salary because of where they picked him.

also, he's one of the few guys on this roster who would bring anything back via trade.

would be nice to still have vucevic. he's been killing it this year. I said I liked him last year. Never understood why collins buried him on the bench...especially when you consider that guys like tony battie were playing instead of him :roll:

I think collins needs to go too. Does this team even have an offensive system? or set plays? I would say no. I think during timeouts, collins just says, ok jrue bring the ball up and find an open shooter. if no one is open just create your own shot. this is especially evident at the end of close games. I'd love a guy like scott skiles

i think turner and jrue have done okay with sharing some of the ball handling responsibilities this year. the key has been turner developing his sweet spot in the corner.

lavoy allen outplayed vuc last year down the stretch and was really good in the playoffs. i like vuc too, but nobody really saw this coming. and, again, if andrew bynum was healthy, we wouldn't really be missing him.

collins got the max out of this team the last couple years. this year, again--i can't quite fault him for riding jrue as much as he has. this team just cannot win without a low post presence.

yeah, but I don't think turner can play the 2 consistently. they can get by with him playing there for brief stretches, but he isn't a 2. I'd trade him tonight.

No one saw Vucevic breaking out because no one got to see him play. Tony Battie...seriously. And to say they wouldn't miss him is funny. How can you say that? have you seen this frontcourt??? Kwame Brown makes more money than Vucevic...which one would you rather have?

Like I said many times before. This team's core was overrated and Collins isn't good enough. I even alluded to the burnout that would happen in year three of collins' tenure. He's practically begging guys to listen to him at this point. He's run his course here. Beat it

The Juggler

turner doesn't play the 2. he's the 3 on this team. iguadala's old spot.

vuc was part of the trade to bring bynum here. again, if bynum is healthy, he's the best center in the eastern conference. so would rather have that, or vucevic?

and vucevic played himself out of meaningful minutes last year. he was shooting 35% in the 2nd half of the season. he was hot early on but played really poorly as the season dragged on. still averaged 16 minutes a game.

everyone has alluded to the doug collins burnout because it's happened everywhere he has been. again- if bynum was healthy, i don't think this would be brought up as much as the team would be much better.

i like the core more than you i guess. we now have an all star and 2 of the best young players in the league. throw bynum or another big in the mix, and you're a much better team.

The Fixer

The Juggler wrote:

turner doesn't play the 2. he's the 3 on this team. iguadala's old spot.

vuc was part of the trade to bring bynum here. again, if bynum is healthy, he's the best center in the eastern conference. so would rather have that, or vucevic?

and vucevic played himself out of meaningful minutes last year. he was shooting 35% in the 2nd half of the season. he was hot early on but played really poorly as the season dragged on. still averaged 16 minutes a game.

everyone has alluded to the doug collins burnout because it's happened everywhere he has been. again- if bynum was healthy, i don't think this would be brought up as much as the team would be much better.

i like the core more than you i guess. we now have an all star and 2 of the best young players in the league. throw bynum or another big in the mix, and you're a much better team.

I meant that turner isn't going to play the point with holiday here. he can't play the 2. and by having him primarily at the 3 it's not utilizing him to the best of his abilities. This is why I don't think he's a great fit.

You keep saying 'healthy bynum'. might as well talk about unicorns and leprechauns

I like thad young, but he's pretty inconsistent. Doesn't really have a position or an outside game.

I definitely don't like them as much as you. But that's not breaking news...we have been having this discussion since turner got drafted.

Like I said before...getting rid of the iggy/brand salaries was the easy part. The tough part is adding the right pieces. Even with some cap space (like you said, for a change), they're still in a shitty spot. Bynum is gonna be a lose-lose scenario due to his health and the amount of money he's going to command. And they are likely going to have to overpay for any big ticket FA they try to sign. There is so little room for error with FAs. There will be a tremendous amount of pressure to hit on their signings. last thing we want is another brand/webber/geiger like bust, which will again set them back for the duration of said contract.

The way I see it, they have one piece in holiday. The rest is crap. I wouldn't give bynum the amount of money it's going to take to sign him, which makes that trade a colossal failure (again, I think either way they end up losing that trade since they can't depend on bynum being on the court). so they need a frontcourt, a shooting guard, a bench, and a coach.

thank god for the flyers

The Juggler

but you ignore the fact that turner has played well at the 3 this year. his numbers have gone up across the board. again, there are not many players in the league putting up 14 points, 7 boards, and 4 assists per game while shooting 41% from 3pt range. this is mostly coming from the small forward position. those are igualdala-ish numbers, albeit, without the elite level defense. but throw a low post presence into the mix and he's a decent 3rd option.

i keep saying "healthy bynum" because that is what this team was built around. he's obviously not healthy. but you keep ignoring this huge white elephant every time you say "same old sixers." you fail to acknowledge that they did what you wanted them to do. the guy is just injured--and that is the one humungous reason for this disastrous season. gotta be rational about things fixer.

getting rid of iguadala for the right deal was certainly not easy. that's why it took so long. i don't think anyone said it would be...then again, you wanted to trade him for monte ellis, who is garbage...
--the trade was made under the assumption that bynum would be healthy or at least give you 65 games a year like he did in LA. you get that and boom--there is your piece to go along with jrue and thad and turner. that's the team that vegas had winning 48 games this year and would only improve in the subsequent years as holiday improved and they added more pieces. the injury throws a huge monkey wrench into the situation obviously. and obviously there is a huge amount of pressure with what to do now. at least they have some money to make a move. and at least ed stefanski isn't the one making that decision. it's not an easy decision to make.

no other team has 2 of the best players under 25. the sixers do. and one of them just became the youngest sixer ever to make an all star game. kid's going to be a star for the next decade. it's been15 years since this team has had that kind of young talent. i don't know what to do with bynum at this point. but all they need is either him or another legitimate big and they're instantly a much better team and close to contending. dominant center/all star point guard--that's a pretty nice combo that most teams do not have.