What's wrong with the US you ask?

FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
edited December 2009 in A Moving Train
Stick to Party politics, in the end, the parties will stick it to the citizens.

To all the Dems who voted for Obama in the dellusion that he would change things, what do you say for yourself now? Feel like you were swindled? You should!

To all the Reps who falsely claim a return to small, limited government and return to origins of freedom, the constitution and fair play, why is it you only say these things while a Dem is in office? The rest of the time you're busy robbing the public and trying to conquer the world via wars, globalization and other false guises.

To all the 3rd party voters, if you don't consistently build your base without it being mere fringe issues and take serious stands on issues in order to win over other voters you will never be significant. All how bout all those 3rd party voters who show up when they're so fed with the other 2 party's for an election and then go back afterwards?

In the end, vote, or don't vote, your input is insignifcant. The owners of this nation run the show, lobbying, media, politicians, the military industrial complex... we're all just pawns in their world.
CONservative governMENt

Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    In the end, vote, or don't vote, your input is insignifcant. The owners of this nation run the show, lobbying, media, politicians, the military industrial complex... we're all just pawns in their world.
    With that kind of attitude, we'll never have a revolution. I'd like to keep some kind of hope that it will happen some day. The day they take all of our Televisions away.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    The changes necessary to fix our country or world won't be coming from a voting booth, it'd sooner come from burning them down.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    In the end, vote, or don't vote, your input is insignifcant. The owners of this nation run the show, lobbying, media, politicians, the military industrial complex... we're all just pawns in their world.
    With that kind of attitude, we'll never have a revolution. I'd like to keep some kind of hope that it will happen some day. The day they take all of our Televisions away.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • "It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government"

    Thanks Tom, but can you tell me how?
    If hope can grow from dirt like me ...
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    That simply means to be a good citizen... stay informed, stay active and participate. This is required for a representative government...without informed, active citizens, the government is left to its own devices which leads to corruption, self-interest and greed for business interests.
    Big Drop wrote:
    "It is the duty of every patriot to protect his country from its government"

    Thanks Tom, but can you tell me how?
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The changes necessary to fix our country or world won't be coming from a voting booth, it'd sooner come from burning them down.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    In the end, vote, or don't vote, your input is insignifcant. The owners of this nation run the show, lobbying, media, politicians, the military industrial complex... we're all just pawns in their world.
    With that kind of attitude, we'll never have a revolution. I'd like to keep some kind of hope that it will happen some day. The day they take all of our Televisions away.
    Yes. And? Got any ideas for starting the revolt? Other than starting fires, that is.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    People have to educate themselves on issues home and abroad and until they do, they'll just sit on their hands taking it in the hopes they'll always be some savior who comes around to fix everything while they do as little as possible. Our government is merely a reflection of our society and world. Garbage in, garbage out.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Yes. And? Got any ideas for starting the revolt? Other than starting fires, that is.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Jeanwah wrote:
    In the end, vote, or don't vote, your input is insignifcant. The owners of this nation run the show, lobbying, media, politicians, the military industrial complex... we're all just pawns in their world.
    With that kind of attitude, we'll never have a revolution. I'd like to keep some kind of hope that it will happen some day. The day they take all of our Televisions away.
    Hi Jeanwah....

    I have a question....


    When you speak of revolution and revolt....

    What exactly are you talking about??

    What would YOU have in mind, as far as the perfect revolution????

    I am just curious...
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • ShawshankShawshank Posts: 1,018
    Sometimes I wonder what the founding fathers would say about our country in it's current state. I can't help but think that in many ways, our forefathers fought the revolution because they opposed exactly what our government has become. The only thing missing is a King.
  • Jeanwah wrote:
    In the end, vote, or don't vote, your input is insignifcant. The owners of this nation run the show, lobbying, media, politicians, the military industrial complex... we're all just pawns in their world.
    With that kind of attitude, we'll never have a revolution. I'd like to keep some kind of hope that it will happen some day. The day they take all of our Televisions away.
    Hi Jeanwah....

    I have a question....


    When you speak of revolution and revolt....

    What exactly are you talking about??

    What would YOU have in mind, as far as the perfect revolution????

    I am just curious...
    Jeanwah???
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Jeanwah wrote:
    In the end, vote, or don't vote, your input is insignifcant. The owners of this nation run the show, lobbying, media, politicians, the military industrial complex... we're all just pawns in their world.
    With that kind of attitude, we'll never have a revolution. I'd like to keep some kind of hope that it will happen some day. The day they take all of our Televisions away.
    Hi Jeanwah....

    I have a question....


    When you speak of revolution and revolt....

    What exactly are you talking about??

    What would YOU have in mind, as far as the perfect revolution????

    I am just curious...

    (I had to think about it....) I didn't forget you Speedy. ;)

    I'm not really sure, but I'd like to see people actually caring enough about the bigger issues to the point that they walk out of their cozy holes they call houses and get into the streets. I'm not one for violence, but revolution can only happen if the people in numbers increase to the point that those in charge must listen. There has to be a better way for it to happen than to riot, but I don't know what that would be. Sometimes it has to happen that way, I guess, like with the Iran elections. Public use of Twitter also really spread the word world-wide, seeing that mainstream media would kill any news of anything happening, so power in numbers is the only way for anything to happen.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    FiveB247x wrote:
    People have to educate themselves on issues home and abroad and until they do, they'll just sit on their hands taking it in the hopes they'll always be some savior who comes around to fix everything while they do as little as possible. Our government is merely a reflection of our society and world. Garbage in, garbage out.
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Yes. And? Got any ideas for starting the revolt? Other than starting fires, that is.

    that's pretty convenient for you. you get to sit on your hands and wait until everyone else magically becomes educated enough to revolt.
  • Shawshank wrote:
    Sometimes I wonder what the founding fathers would say about our country in it's current state. I can't help but think that in many ways, our forefathers fought the revolution because they opposed exactly what our government has become. The only thing missing is a King.

    It depends on which founding father, really. Most of them would have gotten out of the time machine, taken it all in for a couple of weeks, and promptly proceeded to either kill themselves, or to take the same time machine back to pre-Boston Tea Party and cancelled the whole thing. Why have all the bloodshed if they knew for sure that the empire was going to win eventually anyway-- which they have figured out if they saw America 2009.

    Other interesting points:

    -Some would have gotten nauseous at the idea of a black president.
    -Some would have loved that he got elected as a sign of progress for those of the founders who truly believed that "all men were created equal," but probably would have hated his policies.
    -Some would have tried to toke up right on the street and would have been absolutely confused why they were being arrested for it.
    -Some would have probably shot the cop that tried to have tried to take his gun away for not having a permit to carry that gun.
    -Some would probably be high-fiving Cindy Sheehan and would be along side her and groups like Code Pink.
    -Some probably wouldn't be caught dead protesting with women.
    -Just about all of them would be considered domestic terrorists or enemy combatants, and would probably be held in Guantanamo Bay, next to members of Al-Queada.

    Regardless, we as free individuals have no reason not to back the principles and rights as stated in the Constitution when we truly apply it to all people. We have everything to gain, and nothing to lose if we try and restore our Republic with liberty and justice for ALL.
  • I have a feeling that 90% of the people in the USA. are perfectly happy and content with their lives......and see no reason for revolt........

    Sure things could be better for some....I get that.....But if they are unhappy with their situation, I think they can look in the mirror to find out what their problems are......

    But overall.....I think most people are happy with their lives......
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    When you speak of revolution and revolt....

    What exactly are you talking about??

    What would YOU have in mind, as far as the perfect revolution????

    I am just curious...

    can't speak for her, but personally i'd be happy to see dc reduced to rubble, the usa as we know it splintered into 5-6 smaller, more manageable countries divided along regional and political lines, and a huge step backwards from our usual position as the biggest guy on the international scene.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I have a feeling that 90% of the people in the USA. are perfectly happy and content with their lives......and see no reason for revolt........

    Sure things could be better for some....I get that.....But if they are unhappy with their situation, I think they can look in the mirror to find out what their problems are......

    But overall.....I think most people are happy with their lives......
    because they got a job (those who are happy anyway) and their TVs. Take both away, and what do you think would happen? I seriously believe that if people didn't have their televisions, they definitely would feel the need to do something, because after all, it's their comfort box, and without it, people feel lost.
  • When you speak of revolution and revolt....

    What exactly are you talking about??

    What would YOU have in mind, as far as the perfect revolution????

    I am just curious...

    can't speak for her, but personally i'd be happy to see dc reduced to rubble, the usa as we know it splintered into 5-6 smaller, more manageable countries divided along regional and political lines, and a huge step backwards from our usual position as the biggest guy on the international scene.
    See!!

    Now there is an answer I was looking for!!!!!

    Lets NUKE DC.!!!!!

    hehehehehehe

    Fuck that whole "non-violent protesting" bullshit!!!!!!

    hehehehehehehe
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    When you speak of revolution and revolt....

    What exactly are you talking about??

    What would YOU have in mind, as far as the perfect revolution????

    I am just curious...

    can't speak for her, but personally i'd be happy to see dc reduced to rubble, the usa as we know it splintered into 5-6 smaller, more manageable countries divided along regional and political lines, and a huge step backwards from our usual position as the biggest guy on the international scene.
    I do like your thinking, SS.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    When you speak of revolution and revolt....

    What exactly are you talking about??

    What would YOU have in mind, as far as the perfect revolution????

    I am just curious...

    can't speak for her, but personally i'd be happy to see dc reduced to rubble, the usa as we know it splintered into 5-6 smaller, more manageable countries divided along regional and political lines, and a huge step backwards from our usual position as the biggest guy on the international scene.
    See!!

    Now there is an answer I was looking for!!!!!

    Lets NUKE DC.!!!!!

    hehehehehehe

    Fuck that whole "non-violent protesting" bullshit!!!!!!

    hehehehehehehe
    While I'm all for "non-violent protesting", suffice to say, it's never really worked, unfortunately. But if you notice, the people in numbers aren't starting the violence, it's the Police, who are supposed to protect us from it.
  • But what is it that we are revolting against???

    What is it that makes you want to hit the streets in protest???

    What is so wrong with life here in the USA, that we need to revolt???
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Pretty condescending eh?

    Fact is we live in an age where everyone has access to information, education, resources and every other tool possible to fix the world around them, yet they don't because of comfort, laziness and disinterest. And because I acknowledge this fact, I'm sitting on my hands? Gimme a break. Thomas Jefferson never picked up a gun and shot at the redcoats during the Revolution, but his ideas, thoughts and actions help create a revolution and empowered people to follow through on it. Our society is in such dire conditions and thoughts, no one wants to be honest when they look around, instead it's easier to live and put up illusions. Reap what you sow in life.
    that's pretty convenient for you. you get to sit on your hands and wait until everyone else magically becomes educated enough to revolt.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Jeanwah wrote:
    In the end, vote, or don't vote, your input is insignifcant. The owners of this nation run the show, lobbying, media, politicians, the military industrial complex... we're all just pawns in their world.
    With that kind of attitude, we'll never have a revolution. I'd like to keep some kind of hope that it will happen some day. The day they take all of our Televisions away.
    Hi Jeanwah....

    I have a question....


    When you speak of revolution and revolt....

    What exactly are you talking about??

    What would YOU have in mind, as far as the perfect revolution????

    I am just curious...

    Before shots get fired, I'd love to see one giant statement made by the American people as a collective. It would require each and every one of us to put all partisanship aside completely, and it has to be incredibly simple and catchy since most of the voting public really firmly believe that they only have 2 options at the polls, and probably can't name their representatives.

    Without knowing exaclty how, or why, I think we can all agree that we are getting screwed, and that it's coming at the hands of almost all or our elected officials.

    2010 we vote all encumbants out, plain and simple. Where I'm divided is whether we take a GIANT step and try and get everyone to support a third party, maybe even a third party with no real platform other than they are simply not democrat or republican? Or, we just stick with the "two" parties and vote opposite of whoever the encumbant is. What does that require? It requires 1 minute of research prior to the 2010 election to simply know who your rep is, and if he or she is running again to simply vote against him or her through the other major party. A 100% turnover in the House of Representatives may actually send the message to Washington that this is, in fact, their final warning.

    I like the Third Party idea, personally. No one can claim it has a bias. No one can ask "WHERE WERE YOU WHEN THE REPUBLICANS HAD THE CONGRESS?"

    It's time we took the stance that they should ALL be fired, for their collective failure across the board. I can't think of a bigger, and more threatening statement to make to the people in power, without use of actual force.
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I'm all for the main facets and ideals our nation was founded upon or hoped for, but in all honesty, our nation was founded on hypocrisy. White land owners who didn't want to pay taxes to a King, started their own nation while claiming equality and liberty, except for women, indians and blacks. We don't want to give up power and finance to a king, let's setup or own system in which we can benefit instead and be on our own. Power is merely a means to an end, and in that lay the founding of our nation.
    It depends on which founding father, really. Most of them would have gotten out of the time machine, taken it all in for a couple of weeks, and promptly proceeded to either kill themselves, or to take the same time machine back to pre-Boston Tea Party and cancelled the whole thing. Why have all the bloodshed if they knew for sure that the empire was going to win eventually anyway-- which they have figured out if they saw America 2009.

    Other interesting points:

    -Some would have gotten nauseous at the idea of a black president.
    -Some would have loved that he got elected as a sign of progress for those of the founders who truly believed that "all men were created equal," but probably would have hated his policies.
    -Some would have tried to toke up right on the street and would have been absolutely confused why they were being arrested for it.
    -Some would have probably shot the cop that tried to have tried to take his gun away for not having a permit to carry that gun.
    -Some would probably be high-fiving Cindy Sheehan and would be along side her and groups like Code Pink.
    -Some probably wouldn't be caught dead protesting with women.
    -Just about all of them would be considered domestic terrorists or enemy combatants, and would probably be held in Guantanamo Bay, next to members of Al-Queada.

    Regardless, we as free individuals have no reason not to back the principles and rights as stated in the Constitution when we truly apply it to all people. We have everything to gain, and nothing to lose if we try and restore our Republic with liberty and justice for ALL.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    I have a feeling that 90% of the people in the USA. are perfectly happy and content with their lives......and see no reason for revolt........

    Sure things could be better for some....I get that.....But if they are unhappy with their situation, I think they can look in the mirror to find out what their problems are......

    But overall.....I think most people are happy with their lives......

    exactly...

    I don't get this "everyone should educate themselves" thing...maybe they have and they are fine...

    I do find it interesting that some complain and offer nothing but complaints...

    This "woe is me" gets old...if you don't like your life, do something about it...
  • inmytree wrote:
    I have a feeling that 90% of the people in the USA. are perfectly happy and content with their lives......and see no reason for revolt........

    Sure things could be better for some....I get that.....But if they are unhappy with their situation, I think they can look in the mirror to find out what their problems are......

    But overall.....I think most people are happy with their lives......

    exactly...

    I don't get this "everyone should educate themselves" thing...maybe they have and they are fine...

    I do find it interesting that some complain and offer nothing but complaints...

    This "woe is me" gets old...if you don't like your life, do something about it...
    I have been here for an hour....

    I still dont know why I am supposed to take to the streets and revolt.....

    This weekend I can revolt....

    Or I can go grocery shopping, buy a Christmas Tree, and watch some football with my father.....

    It is going to be a tough decision.....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    The entire basis of the conversation is the fact that our nation is not educated and makes uninformed decisions and then doesn't stay active enough to participate in the discussion and accountability after the fact to keep our system and government in check. Just cause people are "happy" doesn't reflect a good situation to be emulated. An alcoholic is happy when they're drinking and drunk, but I'd hardly say it's productive and beneficial or something that doesn't need rectifying - correct?
    inmytree wrote:
    exactly...

    I don't get this "everyone should educate themselves" thing...maybe they have and they are fine...

    I do find it interesting that some complain and offer nothing but complaints...

    This "woe is me" gets old...if you don't like your life, do something about it...
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    But what is it that we are revolting against???

    What is it that makes you want to hit the streets in protest???

    What is so wrong with life here in the USA, that we need to revolt???

    nothing. that's why i haven't done shit ;)

    and who said anything about nukes? i don't wanna nuke dc, i wanna be tearing it down with my bare hands!
  • But what is it that we are revolting against???

    What is it that makes you want to hit the streets in protest???

    What is so wrong with life here in the USA, that we need to revolt???

    nothing. that's why i haven't done shit ;)

    and who said anything about nukes? i don't wanna nuke dc, i wanna be tearing it down with my bare hands!
    I am going to use YOU, Conor as an example....hope you dont mind...

    YOU as an individual....

    YOU have gone out and gotten one of the finest educations money can buy....
    You have gotten yourself a nice job.....

    I see YOU in the near future, buying a house....
    BECAUSE YOU HAVE MADE WISE DECISIONS IN LIFE......
    BECAUSE YOU WILL MAKE WISE DECISIONS WITH YOUR MONEY.....
    BECAUSE YOU DO NOT DEPEND ON ANYONE........
    BECAUSE YOU WILL TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN FUTURE..........

    Which is why you have no reason to protest....or revolt....
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    FiveB247x wrote:
    The entire basis of the conversation is the fact that our nation is not educated and makes uninformed decisions and then doesn't stay active enough to participate in the discussion and accountability after the fact to keep our system and government in check. Just cause people are "happy" doesn't reflect a good situation to be emulated. An alcoholic is happy when they're drinking and drunk, but I'd hardly say it's productive and beneficial or something that doesn't need rectifying - correct?
    inmytree wrote:
    exactly...

    I don't get this "everyone should educate themselves" thing...maybe they have and they are fine...

    I do find it interesting that some complain and offer nothing but complaints...

    This "woe is me" gets old...if you don't like your life, do something about it...

    you keep saying our nation is "uneducated and uninformed"...what's your evidence...? you seem to be using a very big paint brush here...

    you speak in broad, general terms and offer nothing outside of complaints...
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    What you are merely explaining is that if someone doesn't think government and politics directly effects them, then somehow it makes it ok for that person to tune out what the politics, policies and actions of the government are. That is not acceptable behavior in our system. If the citizens aren't active and turn a blind eye to the smallest or largest thing, they aren't doing their job in our system and as a result, it will, over time, result in what we are seeing now - a government that doesn't have to or need to answer to the citizens because it's primarily run by it's own devices and in bed with big business.
    But what is it that we are revolting against???

    What is it that makes you want to hit the streets in protest???

    What is so wrong with life here in the USA, that we need to revolt???

    nothing. that's why i haven't done shit ;)

    and who said anything about nukes? i don't wanna nuke dc, i wanna be tearing it down with my bare hands!
    I am going to use YOU, Conor as an example....hope you dont mind...

    YOU as an individual....

    YOU have gone out and gotten one of the finest educations money can buy....
    You have gotten yourself a nice job.....

    I see YOU in the near future, buying a house....
    BECAUSE YOU HAVE MADE WISE DECISIONS IN LIFE......
    BECAUSE YOU WILL MAKE WISE DECISIONS WITH YOUR MONEY.....
    BECAUSE YOU DO NOT DEPEND ON ANYONE........
    BECAUSE YOU WILL TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN FUTURE..........

    Which is why you have no reason to protest....or revolt....
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • FiveB247xFiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Unless we're merely attempting to create a vast amount of low level minimum wage workers, who can't think for themselves and even at best case scenario are taught a skwed version of history in order to make patriotic dulldrums, then yes our education system is wonderful.
    inmytree wrote:
    you keep saying our nation is "uneducated and uninformed"...what's your evidence...? you seem to be using a very big paint brush here...

    you speak in broad, general terms and offer nothing outside of complaints...
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
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