Okay, I'm Gonna Say This...FOOD INC. Related

Piper At The Gates

I am surprised that over the course of this thread, no one has brought up anything about Eddie's drinking. He drinks wine heavily on stage at every concert. I am a recovering alcoholic and an ex-smoker and I find the drinking more insidious and as dangerous as smoking. That being said, we are all adults here and changing lifestyles is hard. Eddie can conquer his addictions at whatever pace he chooses. Maybe he will ask us to watch "The Days Of Wine And Roses", or "Leaving Las Vegas", someday.:)

zootown

Evergreen wrote:

There are rules and regualtions in place, at least where I am from. Plus, I don't think I wrote a thing about not wanting regulation.

Where did you get all that from my post? Seriously? You got A LOT out of my one line post.

There are regulations. You have a choice, I have a choice. It is still legal. You can't smoke in bars here, but you can in a designated area. I am not a smoker, so I don't go hang out in the designated area...that is the kind of thing I was talking about.

evergreen- I respect a person's right to choose just about more than anything else in this country...however, being fed bunk and/or dangerous foods and smoking are two issues that are bigger than individual choice...that's the point I am trying to make in my posts. I am a previous smoker, quit in 92, and yes I do tend to avoid smoky places or designated areas, that is all well and good. But again, I feel impacted by smoking no matter what my personal choices are.....legislation, the environment, inflated medical and insurance costs that are my problem, not just the smokers. Plus, Im sorry, but when a parent who is needed by their family dies at 50 due to smoking related illnesses, then there are victims who had ZERO say over this tragedy being inflicted on them. Dont you think those other family members would have chosen a different outcome than losing their parent or loved one? I am not naive enough to think we need to outlaw smoking, its just not realistic. But it does press my button when I hear someone say "its my personal choice and none of your business" when it comes to smoking....that's bullshit!

Evergreen

zootown wrote:

Evergreen wrote:

There are rules and regualtions in place, at least where I am from. Plus, I don't think I wrote a thing about not wanting regulation.

Where did you get all that from my post? Seriously? You got A LOT out of my one line post.

There are regulations. You have a choice, I have a choice. It is still legal. You can't smoke in bars here, but you can in a designated area. I am not a smoker, so I don't go hang out in the designated area...that is the kind of thing I was talking about.

evergreen- I respect a person's right to choose just about more than anything else in this country...however, being fed bunk and/or dangerous foods and smoking are two issues that are bigger than individual choice...that's the point I am trying to make in my posts. I am a previous smoker, quit in 92, and yes I do tend to avoid smoky places or designated areas, that is all well and good. But again, I feel impacted by smoking no matter what my personal choices are.....legislation, the environment, inflated medical and insurance costs that are my problem, not just the smokers. Plus, Im sorry, but when a parent who is needed by their family dies at 50 due to smoking related illnesses, then there are victims who had ZERO say over this tragedy being inflicted on them. Dont you think those other family members would have chosen a different outcome than losing their parent or loved one? I am not naive enough to think we need to outlaw smoking, its just not realistic. But it does press my button when I hear someone say "its my personal choice and none of your business" when it comes to smoking....that's bullshit!

I lost a love one because of obesity relate diabetes. Just as people have lost loved one from drinking, cars, bungee jumping, extreme skiing, drugs...the list goes on and on. Smoking is a personal choice, just as overeating is.

What do you weigh, where do you shop, what do you drive? Are you a responsible consumer, do you recycle, do you buy American? Do you use plastic at the grocery store, do you use cloth diapers for your baby? What is YOUR corbon footprint? That all effects me also, in the long run. But, I am not going to tell you you are wrong because you drive a (insert name here) or because you eat fritos, because it is your choice.

I am also NOT going to place the burden on people that do unhealthy things with the "role model" thing. That is what is getting me...no one is reading my posts. I am not saying that smoking is good, I am saying it is a choice and while it is a choice people have the right to do so without being critisised, especially when they were putting a good thing out there...Pearl Jam endorsing the movie.

Jeanwah

Evergreen wrote:

I am also NOT going to place the burden on people that do unhealthy things with the "role model" thing. That is what is getting me...no one is reading my posts. I am not saying that smoking is good, I am saying it is a choice and while it is a choice people have the right to do so without being critisised, especially when they were putting a good thing out there...Pearl Jam endorsing the movie.

I think what it is, is that a lot of fans think that Eddie and whatever vice he may have, he should get over it because he's a public figure AND someone his fans put on a saintly pedestal. Who honestly gives a shit what he wants to do. Smoking may be bad, but we all have choices, and if you don't like his choice, you have the choice of not standing near him when he lights up his cigarette. We're all so judgemental, aren't we.

81

this thread makes me want to have a smoke, a glass of wine, and a poterhouse

Evergreen

Jeanwah wrote:

Evergreen wrote:

I am also NOT going to place the burden on people that do unhealthy things with the "role model" thing. That is what is getting me...no one is reading my posts. I am not saying that smoking is good, I am saying it is a choice and while it is a choice people have the right to do so without being critisised, especially when they were putting a good thing out there...Pearl Jam endorsing the movie.

I think what it is, is that a lot of fans think that Eddie and whatever vice he may have, he should get over it because he's a public figure. Who honestly gives a shit what he wants to do. Smoking may be bad, but we all have choices, and if you don't like his choice, you have the choice of not standing near him when he lights up his cigarette. We're all so judgemental, aren't we.

THAT is exactly what I have been trying to say. I just don't get the "he is influencing my kids" mentality. I choose to smoke (a more "natural" form of a crop) and I drink and that is my choice. God help the person that comes up to me and tells me to stop because i am influencing their kid or making them spend more on health care or something of the such.

Yes, I have tons of passions about the environment, and I will be honest in that I get REALLY ticked off at irresponsible people, or people that don't fucking care and still drive monster cars and use plastic bags, liter our beaches, and on and on and on, but I DO NOT ctritise them, I offset their behavior by volunteering more or donating more...a positive action.

Unless you are perfect in every single way and cause no harm to anyone, eat all home grown food, walk to work, make your own cloths from farm animals you raised and do not have any consumer waste and 0 carbon footprint, then you have no room to judge, as you are doing SOMETHING that effects someone else.

Ledbetterman10

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

Ed, I could fucking care less if you smoke American Spirits, you are still promoting and encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it...I admire Pearl Jam more than any other band I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong

Yes you are wrong dude. Eddie is encouraging your kids to smoke because he smokes? Does he say "smoke cigarettes like I do"? That would be encouraging someone to smoke. But he's just as much encouraging people to smoke as he's encouraging people to dress like him or talk like him. If you begin smoking cigarettes because Eddie Vedder does, there's no hope for you in this society anyway because you're going to be influenced by insane things all your life.

So, then, by your rationale, Ed starting to smoke because of Kurt Cobain killing himself(see post mentioning this on the first couple pages of this thread) is a perfectly sane thing to do?

It is human nature to emulate celebrity appearances, behaviors, habits and in many cases, causes...if that was not the case, we would never see celebrity endorsed auctions, every woman in the US wouldn't go out and get a FRIENDS haircut, and we wouldn't be out chasing the latest fashion because so-and-so wears them....OBEY makes a flannel and it is called a VEDDER shirt, for Christ sakes...why???? Because people worship and EMULATE famous people...and it's only $76, what a deal! I know I'm off topic with this last bit, but hey, this thread is all over the place now

http://www.store13.com/index.php?_a=vie ... ductId=585

what I'm saying is that it's your responsibility to explain to your children that wearing a flannel shirt makes you looks like a scumbag and that smoking gives you lung cancer. Hell I still remember the first time I saw A Hard Day's Night when I was a kid. Because the Beatles smoke in the film, my dad was sure to tell me that it's it's bad for you because he had the good sense to know that I may think it's "cool" since they did it.

goldrush

filthy_canvis wrote:

I hope Ed reads this and just considers quitting...

I hope Ed reads this and thinks "Damn Snoopy, look at this shit storm you've kicked up! "

People should remember that we are still free to make up our own minds about things.

Speaking as a lifelong non-smoker with only one fully functioning lung, I still believe that people have a choice to put whatever they want into their bodies. If you don't want to smoke it's your choice, you're not being forced to do it. If you want to smoke that's your choice too, nobody should force you to stop. Whatever your choice is, it's important to respect the people who have made the opposite choice. My mum smokes. I have never so much as considered it. A lot of my friends smoke. They don't smoke near me because they know about my lungs and I don't go into the smoking areas in bars when we're out.

Yes Ed is a role model and people look up to him but that doesn't mean that he is perfect. He's a human being and every one of us needs something to help us get through things at some point. Every hero has a weakness. Just think about any of the musicians, actors, public figures that you have admired in your life and try to think of one that is perfect.

Make your own choices, live your own lives, but respect those who may have a different opinion to you instead of starting on an "I'm right/you're wrong" rant about it.

yatahe

jecica wrote:

I love smoking....

I enjoy a casual smoke here and there too.

I think America harps on people who smoke because of the media. Also, nicotine patches and gum is an money making industry. Why arn't there commercials on t.v. warning people against eating fast food that is full of cholesterol and therefor artery clogging (heart disease, strokes, heart attacks)...or "this meat that has alot of unnatural qualities that can aid in cancer and disease".

People are so judgemental sometimes. You don't see people eating "bad" food and hiding behind something because they literally don't want to be seen in fear of being judged by others. I have felt that way in publc before when i had a cigerette in my hand. People are so judgemental and it is hurtful.

Listen, I think the fact is we are all going to die someday and it's like everyone is trying to live forever which in these bodies is not possible. I would rather have a glass of wine a night and smoke a cigerette a day in pure enjoyment (hopefully till im old) than spend my time worrying about every little thing that is going to kill me.

Going back to the original poster. This movie is a good way to educate people on the foods we eat. But to say someone is a hypocrite because they smoke? I don't even think the issue should be what you personally think is good for your body (and therefor is good for everyone else) but the fact that there are people out there knowing the truth about foods and still making them purchasable. I think they (the people promoting this movie) are just wanting the food administration to have a higher standard for people. Same could be said for the chemicals they put in cigerettes but the disclaimer that smoking is bad for you is on the box. In my mind, natural cigerettes are better ( I see some of you shaking your heads)-but i do.

In the defense of the people that feel they have to mass produce food, maybe it is because it is what the people are buying (and the amounts).

This whole subject actually reminds me of that song Hunger Strike. Because if the farmers don't mass produce, for better quality, will that mean prices would go up ? and maybe there would be less supply?

Many different thoughts here, take them or leave them :roll: :P

Jeanwah

goldrush wrote:

People should remember that we are still free to make up our own minds about things.

Speaking as a lifelong non-smoker with only one fully functioning lung, I still believe that people have a choice to put whatever they want into their bodies. If you don't want to smoke it's your choice, you're not being forced to do it. If you want to smoke that's your choice too, nobody should force you to stop. Whatever your choice is, it's important to respect the people who have made the opposite choice. My mum smokes. I have never so much as considered it. A lot of my friends smoke. They don't smoke near me because they know about my lungs and I don't go into the smoking areas in bars when we're out.

Yes Ed is a role model and people look up to him but that doesn't mean that he is perfect. He's a human being and every one of us needs something to help us get through things at some point. Every hero has a weakness. Just think about any of the musicians, actors, public figures that you have admired in your life and try to think of one that is perfect.

Make your own choices, live your own lives, but respect those who may have a different opinion to you instead of starting on an "I'm right/you're wrong" rant about it.

yatahe

Good point here...

Evergreen wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Evergreen wrote:

I am also NOT going to place the burden on people that do unhealthy things with the "role model" thing. That is what is getting me...no one is reading my posts. I am not saying that smoking is good, I am saying it is a choice and while it is a choice people have the right to do so without being critisised, especially when they were putting a good thing out there...Pearl Jam endorsing the movie.

I think what it is, is that a lot of fans think that Eddie and whatever vice he may have, he should get over it because he's a public figure. Who honestly gives a shit what he wants to do. Smoking may be bad, but we all have choices, and if you don't like his choice, you have the choice of not standing near him when he lights up his cigarette. We're all so judgemental, aren't we.

THAT is exactly what I have been trying to say. I just don't get the "he is influencing my kids" mentality. I choose to smoke (a more "natural" form of a crop) and I drink and that is my choice. God help the person that comes up to me and tells me to stop because i am influencing their kid or making them spend more on health care or something of the such.

Yes, I have tons of passions about the environment, and I will be honest in that I get REALLY ticked off at irresponsible people, or people that don't fucking care and still drive monster cars and use plastic bags, liter our beaches, and on and on and on, but I DO NOT ctritise them, I offset their behavior by volunteering more or donating more...a positive action.

Unless you are perfect in every single way and cause no harm to anyone, eat all home grown food, walk to work, make your own cloths from farm animals you raised and do not have any consumer waste and 0 carbon footprint, then you have no room to judge, as you are doing SOMETHING that effects someone else.

norm

Evergreen wrote:

I am also NOT going to place the burden on people that do unhealthy things with the "role model" thing. That is what is getting me...no one is reading my posts. I am not saying that smoking is good, I am saying it is a choice and while it is a choice people have the right to do so without being critisised, especially when they were putting a good thing out there...Pearl Jam endorsing the movie.

funny part to me is, people worry about ed's smoking for instance...they seem to think that he's an idiot and must tell him that smoking is bad for you...guess what kids...he knows...now let him live his life they way he wants and you live yours the way you want...you're his fan, not his guardian

Jeanwah

norm wrote:

Evergreen wrote:

I am also NOT going to place the burden on people that do unhealthy things with the "role model" thing. That is what is getting me...no one is reading my posts. I am not saying that smoking is good, I am saying it is a choice and while it is a choice people have the right to do so without being critisised, especially when they were putting a good thing out there...Pearl Jam endorsing the movie.

funny part to me is, people worry about ed's smoking for instance...they seem to think that he's an idiot and must tell him that smoking is bad for you...guess what kids...he knows...now let him live his life they way he wants and you live yours the way you want...you're his fan, not his guardian

Right! I mean, I just don't get how people in general feel that it's ok to tell others how they should live. I was brought up by parents who had no problem telling me to Mind My Own Business.

vedderoffdead

FACT: Eddie Vedder is a singer for a rock band. That is his JOB.
FACT: Nearly every night he's on stage he's chain smoking, and drinking heavily. Sometimes to the point where it affects his performance.
FACT: If he had ANY OTHER JOB he would have been fired for this kind of behavior years ago.

We afford these 'luxuries' to rockstars and celebrities, etc, while the rest of us have to play by 'the rules' of normal society, so when this band hops on it's soapbox and starts preaching about what we should and shouldn't be doing, who we should and shouldn't be voting for, who we should and shouldn't be listening to, etc, it's going to come across as more than slightly hypocritical. Pearl Jam does not, has never, and will never be forced to function like the rest of us. They have extremely deep pockets, &lots of powerful and influential friends. It's REAL easy to take a stand, and bitch and moan about all the 'evils' in the world when you don't have to worry about how much your next paycheck is going to be for, or where it's coming from, or where you're going to be living next month. The band has plenty of time to jump on these bandwagons, and throw their weight and support around for these different organizations, and that's just wonderful. Yippee for them. Unfortunately, I have a lot more important shit to worry about at this stage in my life. I don't have the luxury of focusing all my energy on some cause. I would be broke, homeless, and out of a job if I paid attention to every little 'evil' in this fucked up world of ours. The fact of the matter is we barely have control over our tiny little place in this world, let alone having any kind of control over the 'big picture'. I don't have that luxury, nor do I have the time or the money. Pearl Jam does. I just wish at times they would do what THEY think they need, or have the POWER to do, and just leave the rest of us out of it.

Evergreen

vedderoffdead wrote:

FACT: Eddie Vedder is a singer for a rock band. That is his JOB.
FACT: Nearly every night he's on stage he's chain smoking, and drinking heavily. Sometimes to the point where it affects his performance.
FACT: If he had ANY OTHER JOB he would have been fired for this kind of behavior years ago.

We afford these 'luxuries' to rockstars and celebrities, etc, while the rest of us have to play by 'the rules' of normal society, so when this band hops on it's soapbox and starts preaching about what we should and shouldn't be doing, who we should and shouldn't be voting for, who we should and shouldn't be listening to, etc, it's going to come across as more than slightly hypocritical. Pearl Jam does not, has never, and will never be forced to function like the rest of us. They have extremely deep pockets, &lots of powerful and influential friends. It's REAL easy to take a stand, and bitch and moan about all the 'evils' in the world when you don't have to worry about how much your next paycheck is going to be for, or where it's coming from, or where you're going to be living next month. The band has plenty of time to jump on these bandwagons, and throw their weight and support around for these different organizations, and that's just wonderful. Yippee for them. Unfortunately, I have a lot more important shit to worry about at this stage in my life. I don't have the luxury of focusing all my energy on some cause. I would be broke, homeless, and out of a job if I paid attention to every little 'evil' in this fucked up world of ours. The fact of the matter is we barely have control over our tiny little place in this world, let alone having any kind of control over the 'big picture'. I don't have that luxury, nor do I have the time or the money. Pearl Jam does. I just wish at times they would do what THEY think they need, or have the POWER to do, and just leave the rest of us out of it.

I can't believe you are relating Ed's "job" to most of our traditional ones. Who is going to fire him for his behavior? Us?

Wow...you sound extremely jealous or something. Quit your job and motivate yourself to be self employed and you can smoke and drink too.

Oh, and no one is forcing you to see and support the band.

Paul Andrews

Pearl Jam still draw massive crowds - even when album sales fall or stagnate - because of the quality of their live performances. I and thousands of others can't wait for their Nov 14 show here in West Australia. If people think Eddie's so called demons affect his and Pearl Jam's performance, you have to vote with your feet and simply stop going to his/their shows. Obviously most don't feel this way and I'm sure your tickets will be snapped up by someone else.

While it is always sad to see a rock band unable to perform well because of drugs/alcohol/personal differences etc, I have never thought that Pearl Jam were in this category. As a non-smoker and only rare drinker, of course I'd rather see my rock heros look after themselves better, but as many others have said - that's up to them - they look pretty healthy from where I stood at LA3 & LA4 . I think Pearl Jam have most bases covered in this regard and do a whole lot better than many others.

At the height of Oasis' popularity, they couldn't fill the Perth Entertainment Centre (cap 8500), which months before or after, Pearl Jam filled twice. The reason was Perth people were sick of their drunked, coked loutish behaviour and the demons that were affecting their performances (plus, if you ask me - they're crap and got wheret hey are on the back of a lot of other bands' talent- although I've always liked Noel and his honesty). From what I hear the show was like watching paint dry as the band were all too hung over and drug fucked to know what day it was let alone hold it together.

Jessie78

I'm a smoker...am I proud of that? Absolutely not. Is it my choice to continue, or better, to stop? Positively. And when I'm ready, I will- I've done it before. We all know smoking is bad, especially those of us who choose to do it. But for every person that is adversely affected by another persons decision to smoke a cigarette, there is another who is equally affected in a negative way by another persons decision to do a million other things.

For instance, if one decides to toss their used alkaline batteries in the trash rather than dispose of them in a safe manner with the appropriate facility, well, then that person is contributing to the contamination of soil, ground water, and eventually, wildlife, which may or not become a food source. If a person decides to go ahead and dump those extra prozac pills that have been hanging out in the medicine cabinet after they decided they didn't need to take them anymore, down the toilet, well then thank you. My child might just benefit from those trace amounts of fluoxetine that are showing up in our water sources, along with a myriad of other foreign substances that I wouldn't voluntarily give my child. Point is, not one of us is perfect.

You don't smoke? That's great. Really. But if you stop and think about each and every little thing you do, even in a day, I would venture to say that each one of us does something that impacts another in a negative way. So, given that, it seems safe to say that if we left advocating something that you believe in only to those who are islands unto themselves and have realized perfection...that doesn't leave us with much. Personally, I find it far more hypocritical to flame someone who happens to smoke for promoting safe eating than do I find a person who happens to smoke, promoting a movie on food source awareness.

october22

haha, is this thread still going? I killed this guy on the first page. Go back and read it. There is no conversation to be had here. His point is logically invalid. It's over. Stop arguing about it and prepare for the greatest week of PJ shows ever!

Paul Andrews

Great post Jessie78

We as a world community need to examine our interactions with the earth and with each other. Unfortunately capitalism and globalisation has presented us with terrific opportunities and a bounty of riches, but at the same time maginalised some and brought havoc and destruction to others.

At the end of the day it comes down to personal responsibility - taking charge of your actions and supporting those of others. Everyone blames someone else or looks for excuses where we can make change by being educated and then acting on that education.

If we all (individuals through to corporations and governments) thought about how our actions affected others on a local and global scale -and then acted with best interest, we'd all be far better off. At the moment, too many look at their own self interest and agendas without an ounce of thought for anyone else. and yes, I am sure I am guilty of this in some aspects of my life, but I'm trying - I'm really trying to live as cleanly and leave the smallest footprint possible.

Some say I'm a dreamer...

force-10

Hey food inc, pearl jam, everyone...

DON´T EVER GIVE ME THE ODDS.

Poisoning? Really? Holy shit. I don´t want to know what mcdonalds put in food here in guatemala. BTW, it is common knowledge here that some bars (low life bars i must add) serve dog meat. I don´t know how true this is. What the fuck are you americans complaining about :?: