Okay, I'm Gonna Say This...FOOD INC. Related

chiquimonkey

vedderoffdead wrote:

And does anyone actually believe that the people who made this film don't have their OWN agenda? They just decided out of the kindness of their hearts to make a film that exposes all the evils of the food industry? With no benefit, or profit to them? Please. Talk about naive and uninformed. Next you're going to tell me that the multi-BILLION dollar American Cancer Society actually WANTS to find a cure for Cancer. I'm sure there's some vegenazi foundation behind the scenes, that have a majority sharehold in Kashi or some nonsense.

exactly.

while it is good that this movie makes people think about where their food comes from, there's an agenda behind it, and some of what is presented is outright false.

people shouldn't take what this movie offers at face value, but rather get educated further rather than listening to just one side. it's all about balance.

i love the band, but when it comes to some issues, they are misguided. just my 2cents.

and yeah, ed, please stop smoking. talk about feeding a huge business monster!

High Fidelity 2000

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

I respect and am appreciative that Pearl Jam is wanting us to be aware of what we are eating. I am the Executive Chef at WALKERS in Billings, Montana and I understand the message 100%...this is not new news to me, but still vital information...with that being said, God damn it guys...by you smoking cigarettes, you are promoting and supporting the tobacco industry and all it does to decay the fabric of our country and our citizens, just like the food movie you are encouraging us all to watch and act upon...even the preview you post for us to view on your site mentions the parallels between the modern food producers and the American tobacco companies...Ed, I could fucking care less if you smoke American Spirits, you are still promoting and encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it...I admire Pearl Jam more than any other band I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong, and I know this to be the truth....so...just give me some truth...I just had to say it... :oops:

P.S. I smoked 2 1/2 packs of Marlboro Reds a day for 8 years, had my first puff off a cigarette in the third grade because all my heroes smoked...I haven't had a cigarette or an urge (thank God) for 10 years now...I just quit one day because I was poisoning myself and filling the bank accounts of WEALTHY slave owning families...no regrets here....sorry to be so preachy, just speaking from my own experience...

Also, I think it wouldn't be a terrible idea to sticky this one MODS...there is validity here...

AMEN! Preach it, Brother Snoopy.

And I bet YOU weren't even the lead singer of one of the greatest rock bands in the world, watching and hearing your vocal abilities decay just a little more and more after each passing year of smoking.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. A singer who smokes is like a guitarist who spars with a brick wall.

zootown

Evergreen wrote:

zootown wrote:

Evergreen wrote:

Good God...people. We live in a free country and last I heard, smoking was legal.

Before you get on a soapbox about insurance and everything else dealing with smoking, maybe you should do some research. I believe obesity related disease is the #1 factor in the USA and it's impact on healthcare is higher.

Another great example....Im not saying that there are not other things that are bad in our society, I take issue when Leathermandi or anyone tries to argue that smoking is only a personal choice; it affects all of us. And if you think the good ole US of A is truly free....wow!

People are arguing because Pearl Jam decided to take a stand and make us aware of something that effects our life and some people tried to invalidate that because Ed smokes, and that is ridiculous.

That is the issue, and the mentality that so many people have in shoving crap down out thoats. Yes, put it out there to make people aware, but do not fucking critize them, tell them they are wrong, or expect them to be role models because they do something that is legal.

There is SOOOO much wrong with this country, I am sure each and everyone of us attributes SOMETHING that is wrong for others or the environment. So, to me, NO ONE has the right to judge and demean someone because he or she smokes.

My problem is with how people approached this.

You know, I am all for not judging others, but if there is ONE TRUTH in this world it is life and death. And I do feel the need to intervene and speak out if some members of our society feel that they have the right to bring on other's untimely suffering and death. Smoking does this. If smoking didn't affect others in such a dramatic and incessant way, then yeah, smoke em. But the reality is that it does. I have NO opinion on this movie, and I really don't care that much if Eddie smokes....but smoking is an inherent "bad" that needs to be regulated.

Ledbetterman10

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

Ed, I could fucking care less if you smoke American Spirits, you are still promoting and encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it...I admire Pearl Jam more than any other band I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong

Yes you are wrong dude. Eddie is encouraging your kids to smoke because he smokes? Does he say "smoke cigarettes like I do"? That would be encouraging someone to smoke. But he's just as much encouraging people to smoke as he's encouraging people to dress like him or talk like him. If you begin smoking cigarettes because Eddie Vedder does, there's no hope for you in this society anyway because you're going to be influenced by insane things all your life.

OGT92

Think for yourself, question authority....

theserialthrilla

ive never smoked but after reading all the post in here...i think i need one

theserialthrilla

ive never smoked but after reading all the post in here...i think i need one

blondieblue227

Has anybody brought up cigs are just as addictive as heroine? Pretty ironic heroine is illegal but cigs are not.
I’m going to say the ‘s’ word on here… ready?
The South whole economy was tobacco. It still might be, I dunno. I think that’s why cigs are treated so differently.
My mom’s a nurse. She knows damn well what can happen to her. But she smokes. She’d wasted money trying everything to quit. I just stand by shaking my head. Nothing will work. At least for her. And here’s the crazy thing, she didn’t start smoking until her 40’s! It was a social thing turned into an anxiety coping mechanism.

So I know it’s hard to quit. Hard isn’t even the right word. So I try to take that into consideration. But to me, smoking is STUPID.

Evergreen

Another great example....Im not saying that there are not other things that are bad in our society, I take issue when Leathermandi or anyone tries to argue that smoking is only a personal choice; it affects all of us. And if you think the good ole US of A is truly free....wow!

People are arguing because Pearl Jam decided to take a stand and make us aware of something that effects our life and some people tried to invalidate that because Ed smokes, and that is ridiculous.

That is the issue, and the mentality that so many people have in shoving crap down out thoats. Yes, put it out there to make people aware, but do not fucking critize them, tell them they are wrong, or expect them to be role models because they do something that is legal.

There is SOOOO much wrong with this country, I am sure each and everyone of us attributes SOMETHING that is wrong for others or the environment. So, to me, NO ONE has the right to judge and demean someone because he or she smokes.

My problem is with how people approached this.

You know, I am all for not judging others, but if there is ONE TRUTH in this world it is life and death. And I do feel the need to intervene and speak out if some members of our society feel that they have the right to bring on other's untimely suffering and death. Smoking does this. If smoking didn't affect others in such a dramatic and incessant way, then yeah, smoke em. But the reality is that it does. I have NO opinion on this movie, and I really don't care that much if Eddie smokes....but smoking is an inherent "bad" that needs to be regulated.

Stay away from people that smoke and places where you might come in contact with it.

Ledbetterman10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpQdqWfuL-U

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

Ed, I could fucking care less if you smoke American Spirits, you are still promoting and encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it...I admire Pearl Jam more than any other band I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong

Yes you are wrong dude. Eddie is encouraging your kids to smoke because he smokes? Does he say "smoke cigarettes like I do"? That would be encouraging someone to smoke. But he's just as much encouraging people to smoke as he's encouraging people to dress like him or talk like him. If you begin smoking cigarettes because Eddie Vedder does, there's no hope for you in this society anyway because you're going to be influenced by insane things all your life.

So, then, by your rationale, Ed starting to smoke because of Kurt Cobain killing himself(see post mentioning this on the first couple pages of this thread) is a perfectly sane thing to do?

It is human nature to emulate celebrity appearances, behaviors, habits and in many cases, causes...if that was not the case, we would never see celebrity endorsed auctions, every woman in the US wouldn't go out and get a FRIENDS haircut, and we wouldn't be out chasing the latest fashion because so-and-so wears them....OBEY makes a flannel and it is called a VEDDER shirt, for Christ sakes...why???? Because people worship and EMULATE famous people...and it's only $76, what a deal! I know I'm off topic with this last bit, but hey, this thread is all over the place now

http://www.store13.com/index.php?_a=vie ... ductId=585

OGT92

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

It is human nature to emulate celebrity appearances, behaviors, habits and in many cases, causes...if that was not the case, we would never see celebrity endorsed auctions, every woman in the US wouldn't go out and get a FRIENDS haircut, and we wouldn't be out chasing the latest fashion because so-and-so wears them....OBEY makes a flannel and it is called a VEDDER shirt, for Christ sakes...WHY???? Because people worship and EMULATE famous people...and it's only $76, what a deal!

http://www.store13.com/index.php?_a=vie ... ductId=585

WHY??? Because they know people will buy them...If people would stop buying, they will stop making.

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

OGT92 wrote:

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

It is human nature to emulate celebrity appearances, behaviors, habits and in many cases, causes...if that was not the case, we would never see celebrity endorsed auctions, every woman in the US wouldn't go out and get a FRIENDS haircut, and we wouldn't be out chasing the latest fashion because so-and-so wears them....OBEY makes a flannel and it is called a VEDDER shirt, for Christ sakes...WHY???? Because people worship and EMULATE famous people...and it's only $76, what a deal!

http://www.store13.com/index.php?_a=vie ... ductId=585

WHY??? Because they know people will buy them...If people would stop buying, they will stop making.

Um, yeah...that's what I said :?

Jeanwah

chiquimonkey wrote:

vedderoffdead wrote:

And does anyone actually believe that the people who made this film don't have their OWN agenda? They just decided out of the kindness of their hearts to make a film that exposes all the evils of the food industry? With no benefit, or profit to them? Please. Talk about naive and uninformed. Next you're going to tell me that the multi-BILLION dollar American Cancer Society actually WANTS to find a cure for Cancer. I'm sure there's some vegenazi foundation behind the scenes, that have a majority sharehold in Kashi or some nonsense.

exactly.

while it is good that this movie makes people think about where their food comes from, there's an agenda behind it, and some of what is presented is outright false.

people shouldn't take what this movie offers at face value, but rather get educated further rather than listening to just one side. it's all about balance.

i love the band, but when it comes to some issues, they are misguided. just my 2cents.

and yeah, ed, please stop smoking. talk about feeding a huge business monster!

So, what is the agenda behind this documentary, you two smarty pants? You seem to think that independant documentaries are filmed with an agenda in mind, yet usually they're made low budget and for the sake of getting info that is NOT readily available through mass media. Why don't you watch before judging the crap out of it.

demetrios wrote:

sad thing is these freebie dvds, the words & information it brings, will never make it to the schools. where it should be learned & taught at. it doesn't past school code, cause the fast food chains are the one's who are donating & supplying the schools with their food. the school board can't say shit. money talks.

That's right. The food and health industry is not looking out for our better interests, but rather money. No wonder obesity is a rampant epidemic. But Food, Inc. has an "agenda" behind it.... :roll:
I do also worry about the movie being thrown into the trash, by fans who don't care. What a shame.

Paul Andrews

$76 for a flannel shirt - fuck me!!! You're joking right?

I made a point of wearing the same flannel shirt and Levis to LA3 that I wore to my first PJ show in 95. I think it cost me $7 Aussie and is still going strong. I had to buy it ten sizes to big to allow for the shrinkage factor, but it's a beauty. Baby blue!

Kinds reminds me of the fashion labels all jumping onboard in the 90s and producing 'Grunge' fashion. Shit for a few years there I was fashionable and didn't even have to try or spend anything like $76 on a shirt. In 94 I could have replaced my entire wardrobe for $76!!!

B-Rye

Evergreen wrote:

Another great example....Im not saying that there are not other things that are bad in our society, I take issue when Leathermandi or anyone tries to argue that smoking is only a personal choice; it affects all of us. And if you think the good ole US of A is truly free....wow!

People are arguing because Pearl Jam decided to take a stand and make us aware of something that effects our life and some people tried to invalidate that because Ed smokes, and that is ridiculous.

That is the issue, and the mentality that so many people have in shoving crap down out thoats. Yes, put it out there to make people aware, but do not fucking critize them, tell them they are wrong, or expect them to be role models because they do something that is legal.

There is SOOOO much wrong with this country, I am sure each and everyone of us attributes SOMETHING that is wrong for others or the environment. So, to me, NO ONE has the right to judge and demean someone because he or she smokes.

My problem is with how people approached this.

You know, I am all for not judging others, but if there is ONE TRUTH in this world it is life and death. And I do feel the need to intervene and speak out if some members of our society feel that they have the right to bring on other's untimely suffering and death. Smoking does this. If smoking didn't affect others in such a dramatic and incessant way, then yeah, smoke em. But the reality is that it does. I have NO opinion on this movie, and I really don't care that much if Eddie smokes....but smoking is an inherent "bad" that needs to be regulated.

Stay away from people that smoke and places where you might come in contact with it.

Seriously? That's some backward logic....

I get the reasoning behind wanting to be free to do what you want with your body, with regards to smoking, there are times when it is socially responsible to have laws or statutes in place to give further incentives to society to make the right choice. If you truly feel that there shouldn't be any laws or guidlines regarding things of this nature (seatbelts, smoking, whatever) that is leaning towards classical conservatism and a free market governed society ironically enough.

Regardless on the legalities of weather or not you should be free to harm yourself if you want, as soon as that harm extends to others who have no choice, or if it negatively effects others (ie...non smokers have to avoid public places where people smoke) it shouldn't be acceptable. If not due to legal reasons, just out of plain common courtesy.

Also, how did this whole thread turn into the food industry and veganism vs. the tobacco industry? Can't we just agree that smoking is bad AND chemically altered food is bad? (I don't think it is inherently wrong to eat meat however). I think we're allowed to focus on more than one problem at a time in this world.

Evergreen

There are rules and regualtions in place, at least where I am from. Plus, I don't think I wrote a thing about not wanting regulation.

Where did you get all that from my post? Seriously? You got A LOT out of my one line post.

There are regulations. You have a choice, I have a choice. It is still legal. You can't smoke in bars here, but you can in a designated area. I am not a smoker, so I don't go hang out in the designated area...that is the kind of thing I was talking about.

B-Rye

Jeanwah wrote:

chiquimonkey wrote:

vedderoffdead wrote:

And does anyone actually believe that the people who made this film don't have their OWN agenda? They just decided out of the kindness of their hearts to make a film that exposes all the evils of the food industry? With no benefit, or profit to them? Please. Talk about naive and uninformed. Next you're going to tell me that the multi-BILLION dollar American Cancer Society actually WANTS to find a cure for Cancer. I'm sure there's some vegenazi foundation behind the scenes, that have a majority sharehold in Kashi or some nonsense.

exactly.

while it is good that this movie makes people think about where their food comes from, there's an agenda behind it, and some of what is presented is outright false.

people shouldn't take what this movie offers at face value, but rather get educated further rather than listening to just one side. it's all about balance.

i love the band, but when it comes to some issues, they are misguided. just my 2cents.

and yeah, ed, please stop smoking. talk about feeding a huge business monster!

So, what is the agenda behind this documentary, you two smarty pants? You seem to think that independant documentaries are filmed with an agenda in mind, yet usually they're made low budget and for the sake of getting info that is NOT readily available through mass media. Why don't you watch before judging the crap out of it.

demetrios wrote:

sad thing is these freebie dvds, the words & information it brings, will never make it to the schools. where it should be learned & taught at. it doesn't past school code, cause the fast food chains are the one's who are donating & supplying the schools with their food. the school board can't say shit. money talks.

That's right. The food and health industry is not looking out for our better interests, but rather money. No wonder obesity is a rampant epidemic. But Food, Inc. has an "agenda" behind it.... :roll:
I do also worry about the movie being thrown into the trash, by fans who don't care. What a shame.

It would be naive to think that even low budget documentaries aren't filmed with some kind of bias....think Micheal Moore. Sometimes it is intentional to combat the government/corporate bias and control of information, but you should still be aware of it. I'm not saying that the documentarians intentions are to deceive the masses, they want people to be aware, but the best way to do that is usually highlighting the most glaring issues.

Also it should never be assumed that an entire industry, or single business even, should have any other motivation than profit. That is the nature of the capitalistic society we live in. Good or bad, for capitalism to work, the pursuit of profits must be governed by an unbiased third party (supposedly the government). As it stands now, I doubt many people would argue that the rules of capitalism, so to speak, are governed unbiasedly. I'm ranting...but my main point is that profit seeking isn't inherently bad, it just has to be kept in check and have a proper incentive structure. Remember a business is not an individual and can't be held to the same moral expectations that rational, emotional, thinkers can.

B-Rye

Evergreen wrote:

There are rules and regualtions in place, at least where I am from. Plus, I don't think I wrote a thing about not wanting regulation.

Where did you get all that from my post? Seriously? You got A LOT out of my one line post.

There are regulations. You have a choice, I have a choice. It is still legal. You can't smoke in bars here, but you can in a designated area. I am not a smoker, so I don't go hang out in the designated area...that is the kind of thing I was talking about.

Sorry, I didn't mean to infer all that from your post...I just used it as a jumping off point, no offense intended. I tend to ramble too....I'm not aware of the actual regulations where you live, I just remember in Ontario when they started banning smoking in bars and public places, etc, people used to often retort "if you don't like the smoke, don't come close" Having designated areas are great. Anyway, sorry again, no ill intent.

Evergreen

B-Rye wrote:

Evergreen wrote:

There are rules and regualtions in place, at least where I am from. Plus, I don't think I wrote a thing about not wanting regulation.

Where did you get all that from my post? Seriously? You got A LOT out of my one line post.

There are regulations. You have a choice, I have a choice. It is still legal. You can't smoke in bars here, but you can in a designated area. I am not a smoker, so I don't go hang out in the designated area...that is the kind of thing I was talking about.

Sorry, I didn't mean to infer all that from your post...I just used it as a jumping off point, no offense intended. I tend to ramble too....I'm not aware of the actual regulations where you live, I just remember in Ontario when they started banning smoking in bars and public places, etc, people used to often retort "if you don't like the smoke, don't come close" Having designated areas are great. Anyway, sorry again, no ill intent.

No offense taken...I like to debate.

It has it's ramification, though...sorry. I live in a hippie town in AZ called Cave Creek and it is mostly restaurants and bars...a live music bed. I have seen a few small towns in AZ...Prescott is another one (whiskey row) and places are going out of business because of the smoking ban, sad to say. The town catered to bikers, now people don't have work and have lost businesses, as the towns have lost revenue also.