Okay, I'm Gonna Say This...FOOD INC. Related

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

I respect and am appreciative that Pearl Jam is wanting us to be aware of what we are eating. I am the Executive Chef at WALKERS in Billings, Montana and I understand the message 100%...this is not new news to me, but still vital information...with that being said, God damn it guys...by you smoking cigarettes, you are promoting and supporting the tobacco industry and all it does to decay the fabric of our country and our citizens, just like the food movie you are encouraging us all to watch and act upon...even the preview you post for us to view on your site mentions the parallels between the modern food producers and the American tobacco companies...Ed, I could fucking care less if you smoke American Spirits, you are still promoting and encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it...I admire Pearl Jam more than any other band I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong, and I know this to be the truth....so...just give me some truth...I just had to say it... :oops:

P.S. I smoked 2 1/2 packs of Marlboro Reds a day for 8 years, had my first puff off a cigarette in the third grade because all my heroes smoked...I haven't had a cigarette or an urge (thank God) for 10 years now...I just quit one day because I was poisoning myself and filling the bank accounts of WEALTHY slave owning families...no regrets here....sorry to be so preachy, just speaking from my own experience...

Also, I think it wouldn't be a terrible idea to sticky this one MODS...there is validity here...

theserialthrilla

you have got a point

Toastie

Its a good point, wish Ed would stop smoking.

WhyNotSweden

Is Ed a member here?

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Paul Andrews

The tobacco industry (let's forget the evils of the product for a second) must be one of the dirtiest and most unethical industries on the planet. For years they covered up proof that there is no safe way to consume their deadly product and even going so far as using doctors in their advertising. They then turned to high profile 'celebs' in their advertising and when this was banned, they moved to product placement in films, 'sponsorship' of sports and other cultural events.

Once the overwhelming burden of proof fell against them we saw the ridiculous charade of dickwad tobacco executives testifying that they did not believe tobacco was harmful. Have any of them ever been brought to justice for perjury? How much do these people 'donate' to politicians?

As their markets decline and they struggle to sell cigarettes in the west, no worries, they just move their machine into developing counties and spread the death there. Nothing like getting a whole new culture addicted to your rubbish to make profits rise again. You people are scum.

What a happening tailpipe of an industry.

PS I have never smoked tobacco, never will and am proud of the fact. I have however been addicted (past tense) to other substances (one prescription and one recreational) and offer whatever moral support I can to anyone who wishes to break the stranglehold that tobacco has over their lives.

http://quit.org.au/

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

WhynotSweden wrote:

Is Ed a member here?

Ed's not just a member, he's the President

trying to lighten up my heavy post....too late? :?

SOLAT319

I agree with the OP.
Quit already! Just listen to a boot from 2006 and this year. I am not even talking about the voice itself. I am talking about him getting short of breath. Listen to Got Some on various boots (LA3 and SLC most obvious ones) and you'll know what I'm talking about.
Yes, this has been discussed before many times and yes it's his own damn business. But as an M.D, who had seen what tobacco actually physically does to lung tissue, I have a responsiblity to say it:

QUIT POISONING YOURSELF! If not for your own good, for your children.

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

Toastie wrote:

Its a good point, wish Ed would stop smoking.

Ed's not the only cigarette smoker in the band.....for the record........

Paul Andrews

From the American Spirit website:

Are cigarette butts litter?

Yes. It could take thousands of years to biodegrade just one cigarette butt so they should be considered litter. We encourage all smokers to dispose of cigarette butts responsibly.

They may encourage people to dispose of butts responsibly, but how many do? Another environmental timebomb just ticking away.

Paul Andrews

From 2005: http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed ... ones-death

PEARL JAM star EDDIE VEDDER is desperately trying to quit smoking - a habit he started as he attempted to cope with the suicide of fellow grunge icon KURT COBAIN.

The rocker recently decided to quit when the untimely death of another pal JOHNNY RAMONE, aged just 55, made him realise his own mortality.

He says, "I started smoking after the Kurt thing - I kind of thought I'd do the same thing, just slowly, you know? Now I don't feel like doing that at all.

"Johnny Ramone was young... At one point you see a number like that (55) and you think, 'I don't have to worry; I got plenty of time.' They you get to a certain age and you think, 'Well, maybe I don't have as much time as I thought.'"

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Given his comment about the Bush administration making it tough to give up smoking and also the line in Unemployeble '...lights a cigarette he's grown to hate' i think Ed has well got the message. Tobacco addiction is tough I am told. Give the guy a break, hash words rarely help. Love and support is what is needed.

october22

You are wrong.

Your argument is poorly thought out and illogical.

Tobacco is a crop, not a sentient being. Tobacco is not a food product. Furthermore, it is not something that is being sold as nourishing. However, it used to be. The reason the tobacco industry can no longer get away with selling their product as nourishing (which they used to) is because of groups who behaved like those who produced this film. Such groups served to create an educated populace. They served to hold the tobacco companies responsible for lying and for not clearly listing what was in their product.

This issue of Food, Inc. is not one of "do no harmful things to your body", it is simply about educating people about where our food comes from, what exactly it is we are consuming and how to make an educated decision about what to eat and what not to eat.

The goal of this film or vegetarianism for that matter is not "perfection" or even "do no harm", it is simply being AWARE of harm, whether to oneself, others or the planet at large. In doing so, it may be able to foster an environment in which destructive behavior can be altered.

I am happy that you have chosen to quit smoking and it's fine that you encourage others to give it up too, however here is where your entire argument falls apart:

Neither the band, nor the movie are encouraging you to not eat food.

So you see, even though you know are not wrong and "you know this to be the truth", what I perceive to be the truth is that you are someone so hung up on being a chef at WALKERS (whatever that is) that it's hard for you to create a rational argument against something that touches a little too close to home. You say the facts in the film are not news to you but I would have more respect for you if you were the Executive Chef at WALKERS (whatever that is) and this was news to you. At least then you could have claimed ignorance rather than openly admitting that you're aware you serve people toxic food all day for cash.

One of your last lines in your post reads: "I just quit [smoking] one day because I was poisoning myself and filling the bank accounts of WEALTHY slave owning families."

But you'll happily and knowingly poison others while filling the bank accounts of WEALTHY slave owning (for these animals truly are slaves) corporations. Well, aren't you great?

I hope you and others like you can see that there is NO rational argument against this film and its sentiment.

I had fun doing this to you. Goodnight.

Paul Andrews

october22 wrote:

WALKERS (whatever that is)

http://www.walkersgrill.com/

october22

Paul Andrews wrote:

october22 wrote:

WALKERS (whatever that is)

http://www.walkersgrill.com/

Thanks Paul Andrews but I had already Googled it. I was simply using the literary device know as "being a dick."

Paul Andrews

october22 wrote:

Paul Andrews wrote:

october22 wrote:

WALKERS (whatever that is)

http://www.walkersgrill.com/

Thanks Paul Andrews but I had already Googled it. I was simply using the literary device know as "being a dick."

Yeah I gathered that, I was just showing I can always be a bigger dick (and know how to use it)

theserialthrilla

A point of view is up to the person who wrote it or said it..please don't tell people they are wrong for this..or we would all agree on the same few ideas in life.
we would all listen to pearl jam
all be non smokers
all run 10 miles a day etc etc

lets try and be nice to one another.

october22

theserialthrilla wrote:

A point of view is up to the person who wrote it or said it..please don't tell people they are wrong for this..or we would all agree on the same few ideas in life.
we would all listen to pearl jam
all be non smokers
all run 10 miles a day etc etc

lets try and be nice to one another.

Man, the people on here blow me away sometimes.

Let me get this straight. If I tell someone it is wrong to be racist, for example, then I am somehow doing humankind some sort of injustice by contributing to a world of like-minded non-racist automatons?

Sorry, sir, but sometimes people are simply wrong and they should be told so. Writing as a man who has been wrong many times in life, I have nothing but thanks for those who've pointed it out. Attempts at correcting errors in thinking "or points of view" is what makes us flourish and aids in diversification, not what stifles it.

I will try and be nice to you by refraining from calling you a fool but rather "a silly person with lovely hair and a sparkling disposition."

How's that?

clockistotime

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

I respect and am appreciative that Pearl Jam is wanting us to be aware of what we are eating [shortened quote to save space, see OP...] ...I admire Pearl Jam more than any other band I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong, and I know this to be the truth....so...just give me some truth...I just had to say it... :oops:

you have a great point... and you bring up a lot of interesting questions. good post.

october22

clockistotime wrote:

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

I respect and am appreciative that Pearl Jam is wanting us to be aware of what we are eating [shortened quote to save space, see OP...] ...I admire Pearl Jam more than any other band I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong, and I know this to be the truth....so...just give me some truth...I just had to say it... :oops:

you have a great point... and you bring up a lot of interesting questions. good post.

Really? Ok, please quote one interesting question.

I might have missed it.

redrock

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

Ed, I could fucking care less if you smoke American Spirits, you are still promoting and encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it.

I don't really think it's going to be Ed's fault if your kid smokes.....

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong, and I know this to be the truth....so...just give me some truth...I just had to say it... :oops:.

What are you on about? Truth? Truth about what? Ed smoking? He doesn't hide it. Truth about what smoking does to you? All over the packs... SMOKING KILLS, etc. Can't be closer to the truth with that. Truth about the food industry? That's what this film is all about. We are all aware of the dangers of smoking. Not many of us are truly aware of what happens to our food before we eat it. A very serious issue that impacts all of us (yes, even vegetarians or vegans with genetically modified crops).


The truth is out there......

theserialthrilla

october22 wrote:

theserialthrilla wrote:

A point of view is up to the person who wrote it or said it..please don't tell people they are wrong for this..or we would all agree on the same few ideas in life.
we would all listen to pearl jam
all be non smokers
all run 10 miles a day etc etc

lets try and be nice to one another.

Man, the people on here blow me away sometimes.

Let me get this straight. If I tell someone it is wrong to be racist, for example, then I am somehow doing humankind some sort of injustice by contributing to a world of like-minded non-racist automatons?

Sorry, sir, but sometimes people are simply wrong and they should be told so. Writing as a man who has been wrong many times in life, I have nothing but thanks for those who've pointed it out. Attempts at correcting errors in thinking "or points of view" is what makes us flourish and aids in diversification, not what stifles it.

I will try and be nice to you by refraining from calling you a fool but rather "a silly person with lovely hair and a sparkling disposition."

How's that?

that would do nicely thank you...lol to be truthfull i just wanted you to rant at me as i liked your last post.it was a good read

U R A Crazy Breed

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

I respect and am appreciative that Pearl Jam is wanting us to be aware of what we are eating. I am the Executive Chef at WALKERS in Billings, Montana and I understand the message 100%...this is not new news to me, but still vital information...with that being said, God damn it guys...by you smoking cigarettes, you are promoting and supporting the tobacco industry and all it does to decay the fabric of our country and our citizens, just like the food movie you are encouraging us all to watch and act upon...even the preview you post for us to view on your site mentions the parallels between the modern food producers and the American tobacco companies...Ed, I could fucking care less if you smoke American Spirits, you are still promoting and encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it...I admire Pearl Jam more than any other band I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong, and I know this to be the truth....so...just give me some truth...I just had to say it... :oops:

P.S. I smoked 2 1/2 packs of Marlboro Reds a day for 8 years, had my first puff off a cigarette in the third grade because all my heroes smoked...I haven't had a cigarette or an urge (thank God) for 10 years now...I just quit one day because I was poisoning myself and filling the bank accounts of WEALTHY slave owning families...no regrets here....sorry to be so preachy, just speaking from my own experience...

Also, I think it wouldn't be a terrible idea to sticky this one MODS...there is validity here...

Ed isn't twisting your fucking arm to watch this shit now is he?! no he isn't!! it's just a way of them saying "hey..you might want to check this out".....ya know? like a suggestion...not a fucking command...so you choose to either watch the shit or not! Period! End of fucking story!.....Ed isn't coming out and saying "hey you! eat this and don't eat that!".....so give us a fucking break with your drama bullshit ok...i don't like to see Ed smoke, but it's none of my bizz...just like it's none of yours!...i used to smoke too....and i quit...it was hard as fuck but i have been cig free for 7 years now!......but i'm not telling Ed to quit cause i did....and i'm not blaming him for making people smoke...i mean how many little kids even know who he is?!?!...so show up early and get a free dvd if you want it(or give it to someone who isn't as enlightened as you about our food supply)...if not....then stay in the lot and drink or do whatever it is you do before a show...it's your choice...just like Ed & the band have theirs.


man......the shit people bitch about around here!!!!!!!! unfucking real!!!!!