Okay, I'm Gonna Say This...FOOD INC. Related

I_GOT_no_IDea

october22 wrote:

...you are someone so hung up on being a chef at WALKERS (whatever that is) that it's hard for you to create a rational argument...

...I would have more respect for you if you were the Executive Chef at WALKERS (whatever that is) and this was news to you. At least then you could have claimed ignorance rather than openly admitting that you're aware you serve people toxic food all day for cash.

...you'll happily and knowingly poison others while filling the bank accounts of WEALTHY slave owning (for these animals truly are slaves) corporations. Well, aren't you great?

...I had fun doing this to you. Goodnight.

You sure are a dick.
PS I see the irony of criticizing your trashing of someone else's point of view and personally attacking their career choice and lifestyle, whilst simultaneously calling you a dick, but you are a dick.
I don't ever think it's fun tearing someone else to shreds when they a) raise an interesting point and b) have nought but good intentions behind their words, and I also think it's pissweak of you to do it all behind the protective shield of anonimity offered by the internet.
And before you say it, I also see the irony in me saying that when I'm also taking advantage of the relative anonimity provided by internet forums, but this is the medium at hand I guess!

Jeanwah

Ed never proclaimed to be a saint so why does the OP hold him in such high regard?

He's human. He smokes. We all have choices, and pointing the finger at him because he's not living a pristine smoke free life yet wants to spread awareness about what's really in the food we're eating isn't truly related. So the tobacco industry and the food industry are tied. Ok. But to harp on someone who just wants to get some truth out, it isn't fair to go after his other vices and accuse him for not being godly.

dislocated

[quote="U R A Crazy Breed[/quote]

Ed isn't twisting your fucking arm to watch this shit now is he?! no he isn't!! it's just a way of them saying "hey..you might want to check this out".....ya know? like a suggestion...not a fucking command...so you choose to either watch the shit or not! Period! End of fucking story!.....Ed isn't coming out and saying "hey you! eat this and don't eat that!".....so give us a fucking break with your drama bullshit ok...i don't like to see Ed smoke, but it's none of my bizz...just like it's none of yours!...i used to smoke too....and i quit...it was hard as fuck but i have been cig free for 7 years now!......but i'm not telling Ed to quit cause i did....and i'm not blaming him for making people smoke...i mean how many little kids even know who he is?!?!...so show up early and get a free dvd if you want it(or give it to someone who isn't as enlightened as you about our food supply)...if not....then stay in the lot and drink or do whatever it is you do before a show...it's your choice...just like Ed & the band have theirs.


man......the shit people bitch about around here!!!!!!!! unfucking real!!!!![/quote]

Dude...relax.

yield2me

It's a good point and yet another reason why the band should stay out of politics and just make music.

U R A Crazy Breed

yield2me wrote:

It's a good point and yet another reason why the band should stay out of politics and just make music.

i strongly dis-a-fucking-gree!!

InHerOwnWorld

Not to mention it is a lot harder to quit smoking for most people. I'm sure Ed doesn't like the fact that he smokes. Most people don't. He's not perfect. None of us are.

jecica

I love smoking....

october22

I_GOT_no_IDea wrote:

october22 wrote:

...you are someone so hung up on being a chef at WALKERS (whatever that is) that it's hard for you to create a rational argument...

...I would have more respect for you if you were the Executive Chef at WALKERS (whatever that is) and this was news to you. At least then you could have claimed ignorance rather than openly admitting that you're aware you serve people toxic food all day for cash.

...you'll happily and knowingly poison others while filling the bank accounts of WEALTHY slave owning (for these animals truly are slaves) corporations. Well, aren't you great?

...I had fun doing this to you. Goodnight.

You sure are a dick.
PS I see the irony of criticizing your trashing of someone else's point of view and personally attacking their career choice and lifestyle, whilst simultaneously calling you a dick, but you are a dick.
I don't ever think it's fun tearing someone else to shreds when they a) raise an interesting point and b) have nought but good intentions behind their words, and I also think it's pissweak of you to do it all behind the protective shield of anonimity offered by the internet.
And before you say it, I also see the irony in me saying that when I'm also taking advantage of the relative anonimity provided by internet forums, but this is the medium at hand I guess!

Are you kidding me? I am supposed to feel bad for him because I "attacked his career choice and lifestyle?"

Give me a break. He was much harder on smokers than I was towards his lifestyle. Go back and read his post. He's a grown man. I'm sure he can take it. Besides, I used his career choice to illuminate the double standard in his thinking. I would happily say this to his face, by the way. I have done it many times over the years. I am not "pissweak". I will have this conversation in person with anyone. You can try me out in Philly. I'll be at every show. PM me if you'd like and we can arrange a meeting.

Also, yes, I do think it is a fun intellectual exercise to tear someone's bad ideas to shreds. There is beauty in debate and if it is sometimes harsh, well, maybe it needs to be. This is an issue that so many people are so blind to (as is evident with the OP) that people need to be shaken up a bit. Sorry, but I don't think grown-ups need to be spoken to like children when it involves the future of our very existence.

Evergreen

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

I respect and am appreciative that Pearl Jam is wanting us to be aware of what we are eating. I am the Executive Chef at WALKERS in Billings, Montana and I understand the message 100%...this is not new news to me, but still vital information...with that being said, God damn it guys...by you smoking cigarettes, you are promoting and supporting the tobacco industry and all it does to decay the fabric of our country and our citizens, just like the food movie you are encouraging us all to watch and act upon...even the preview you post for us to view on your site mentions the parallels between the modern food producers and the American tobacco companies...Ed, I could fucking care less if you smoke American Spirits, you are still promoting and encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it...I admire Pearl Jam more than any other band I have ever had the pleasure of listening to, but enough is enough...call me an asshole everyone, fire at will...but I am not wrong, and I know this to be the truth....so...just give me some truth...I just had to say it... :oops:

P.S. I smoked 2 1/2 packs of Marlboro Reds a day for 8 years, had my first puff off a cigarette in the third grade because all my heroes smoked...I haven't had a cigarette or an urge (thank God) for 10 years now...I just quit one day because I was poisoning myself and filling the bank accounts of WEALTHY slave owning families...no regrets here....sorry to be so preachy, just speaking from my own experience...

Also, I think it wouldn't be a terrible idea to sticky this one MODS...there is validity here...

"encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it"

That is ridiculous to state. It is your responsibility to raise you kids and if you are expecting rock stars to be good role models, then maybe re-think what you want your kids exposed to. I am sorry, but I can NOT believe that people give the guy shit about smoking. Just enjoy the music people and leave the other stuff to him. I am sure you have some bad habits and that is ridiculously heavy to be placing that responsibility on Ed.

This movie is letting us know where our food comes from and what is in it. Food is necessary to LIVE. We can not give it up. I don't know how you can compare the two.

Like someone said above, tobacco is a crop and an all natural one at that. Yes, tobacco companies ruin that, except for American Spirit that keep the crop organic and natural. This has been going on for THOUSANDS of years, and also used in religious rituals.

I personally appreciate the band endorsing movies, causes, movements, music, whatever that can make me aware of something that can effect my life. I look at the good that they do, and the awareness that they bring forward as such a huge bonus to being a fan.

Then, I see something like your post and see it as nitpicking. So, Ed smokes. So do so many others. If you are going to make that an issue, what about drinking, what we wear, where we shop, other addictions such as over shopping, gambling, what we drive...as it all effects our environment around us. I see shopping at Walmart as bad as smoking, but I am not going to hold Ed responsible for teaching my kid that.

TravisTheSky

When I first started reading internet chatter about Food, Inc. a few months ago, it sounded like an updated and bigger budget The Future Of Food. I have not found the new film online for free yet, so I have not seen it.

The Future Of Food is free for anyone to watch on hulu.com. It's an 88 minute documentary. It has great information. It provides an easy-to-understand overview of the fast and devastating change in world agriculture from independent family farms to techno/pharma corporately owned patents. There's a story of a farmer in Canada who fought Monsanto (and lost) when the chemical company negligently spilled its genetically modified seeds onto his land. Unfortunately, some segments have a woman narrator whose voice will lull the audience to sleep...but if you can stay awake, the film is packed with knowledge that needs to be shared.

Hey, it's FREE!

Jeanwah

TravisTheSky wrote:

When I first started reading internet chatter about Food, Inc. a few months ago, it sounded like an updated and bigger budget The Future Of Food. I have not found the new film online for free yet, so I have not seen it.

The Future Of Food is free for anyone to watch on hulu.com. It's an 88 minute documentary. It has great information. It provides an easy-to-understand overview of the fast and devastating change in world agriculture from independent family farms to techno/pharma corporately owned patents. There's a story of a farmer in Canada who fought Monsanto (and lost) when the chemical company negligently spilled its genetically modified seeds onto his land. Unfortunately, some segments have a woman narrator whose voice will lull the audience to sleep...but if you can stay awake, the film is packed with knowledge that needs to be shared.

Hey, it's FREE!

I agree. Haven't sen Food, Inc. yet, but The Future of Food is a total eye opener. Very recommended viewing.

billyruff

Jeanwah wrote:

TravisTheSky wrote:

When I first started reading internet chatter about Food, Inc. a few months ago, it sounded like an updated and bigger budget The Future Of Food. I have not found the new film online for free yet, so I have not seen it.

The Future Of Food is free for anyone to watch on hulu.com. It's an 88 minute documentary. It has great information. It provides an easy-to-understand overview of the fast and devastating change in world agriculture from independent family farms to techno/pharma corporately owned patents. There's a story of a farmer in Canada who fought Monsanto (and lost) when the chemical company negligently spilled its genetically modified seeds onto his land. Unfortunately, some segments have a woman narrator whose voice will lull the audience to sleep...but if you can stay awake, the film is packed with knowledge that needs to be shared.

Hey, it's FREE!

I agree. Haven't sen Food, Inc. yet, but The Future of Food is a total eye opener. Very recommended viewing.

totally recommended ,should be seen by as many people as possible .It really lets you see where the trends and sources of our food is headed...

DiRtYyELLoWoCeAn

Lock this thread already.

vedderoffdead

The day I let a band, or some movie help me decide what I should or shouldn't eat will NEVER come. Let people make up their own damn minds. I love how Ed has been SO vocal about being Pro-Choice right from day one. How it's a woman's right to choose what she puts in, or takes out of her own body, but I guess that doesn't apply to food, just babies. ANd for the record, some of the most un-healthiest people I've ever met in my life have been vegetarians, and vegans especially. I'm going to eat whatever the hell I feel like.

clockistotime

october22 wrote:

clockistotime wrote:

you have a great point... and you bring up a lot of interesting questions. good post.

Really? Ok, please quote one interesting question.

I might have missed it.

dude, you need to chill... this is the internet, not the playground. life is too short to get so upset about an internet post.

all i meant was, he brought up some interesting questions, (to me, maybe not you) that made me do a 'double take', if you will. sometimes i realize that i stand up for everything that Pearl Jam does as a band and blindly follow them and tell everyone about what they do, and sometimes without a doubt. what the OP did for me, was kind of open my eyes to fact that well hey, they are human too and they also have their own vices. which is totally fine. that's what makes us human. when the OP brought up the fact that the film mentions the parallels between the modern food producers and the American tobacco companies, and how how some of them (PJ) still do smoke, it just put my view of the band in perspective. it didn't change it, or make me hate them, or made me post a thread pointing it out, no, but it once again reaffirmed my suspicions that they are in fact HUMAN.

try to go outside and breathe some fresh air. this internet can get a lil' stuffy sometimes.

redrock

vedderoffdead wrote:

The day I let a band, or some movie help me decide what I should or shouldn't eat will NEVER come. Let people make up their own damn minds. I love how Ed has been SO vocal about being Pro-Choice right from day one. How it's a woman's right to choose what she puts in, or takes out of her own body, but I guess that doesn't apply to food, just babies. ANd for the record, some of the most un-healthiest people I've ever met in my life have been vegetarians, and vegans especially. I'm going to eat whatever the hell I feel like.

I don't think anyone is telling anyone what to do and what they should eat or not. This film (and others like it) give you the information to enable you to make an informed choice. Some people may not be aware of some practices in the food industry or the consequences of some of the actions of said industry. Maybe if they knew, they may rethink some of their eating/drinking habits. That's all. Info - you do what you want with it.

Plankton

Evergreen wrote:

"encouraging this bullshit to your children and mine by doing it"

That is ridiculous to state. It is your responsibility to raise you kids and if you are expecting rock stars to be good role models, then maybe re-think what you want your kids exposed to. I am sorry, but I can NOT believe that people give the guy shit about smoking. Just enjoy the music people and leave the other stuff to him. I am sure you have some bad habits and that is ridiculously heavy to be placing that responsibility on Ed.

No one relies on 'rock stars' or any celebrities to be role models for their children, it just happens. If you don't believe it, take a look around this website. How many people saw, and still see Pearl Jam as a role model in some way?

Any celebrity that may be looked up to by anyone, in any way, that also smokes, promotes smoking.

vedderoffdead wrote:

The day I let a band, or some movie help me decide what I should or shouldn't eat will NEVER come. Let people make up their own damn minds. I love how Ed has been SO vocal about being Pro-Choice right from day one. How it's a woman's right to choose what she puts in, or takes out of her own body, but I guess that doesn't apply to food, just babies. ANd for the record, some of the most un-healthiest people I've ever met in my life have been vegetarians, and vegans especially. I'm going to eat whatever the hell I feel like.

You've missed the point and you've made yourself look pretty insecure about your eating habits at the same time.

Luckily for you, the band isn't deciding. Instead a band gave you a film made by many people containing information.

Do you make up your own mind on things without getting appropriate knowledge beforehand? Judging by your sadly agressive post I'd say you probably do.

my2hands

ed smokes so he and his band cant help promote awareness on a particular subject? or say "hey, check this movie out"? :roll:

if that were so, nobody could share a fucking opinion or take a stand on an issue

come on folks

Plankton

my2hands wrote:

ed smokes so he and his band cant help promote awareness on a particular subject? or say "hey, check this movie out"? :roll:

if that were so, nobody could share a fucking opinion or take a stand on an issue

come on folks

I understand what you are saying, but you've misunderstood the first post. It's not a case of 'oh you can't preach about issue A because you are a problem in completely-unrelated-issue B'. The original poster said that the changes this video wants to make are similar to the market changes with cigarettes and in both cases it is a health issue at the heart of it. The video says this. Bearing that in mind, it is a little bit ironic that someone promoting this smokes, especially when they are a celebrity looked up to by many (see: here).

It is unfair, no doubt, but that's just how it is.

Shawshank

I don't understand why people have to be so damn lazy. God gave us the ability to easily grow all the food we need, and control how that food is grown. Screw the grocery stores. You couldn't eat all the food you can grow in just a small section of an average sized back yard. Most plants will keep producing fruit and veggies over and over. It takes very little work, and the reward is some of the best food you've ever eaten.