As I mentioned in an earlier post regarding Gitmo, unfortunately there ARE some innocent detainees who need processed and freed. Your reuters story about the canadian I'm sure is true. But don't pretend that the U.S. is the ONLY country that makes these mistakes. Hell there's probably innocent people incarcerated in every U.S. state.
Under the 8 years of Clinton the U.S. military was gashed with budget cuts yet still was full of waste and was ineffecient in some key areas. I'm sure Rumsfeld was shocked when he looked at the records of the spending habits of the Armed Forces. But it's kinda hard to get leaner after only your second attack on U.S. in 50 years.
America doesn't run, and some how that pisses off most spineless liberals.
Pepe wrote:
"...not to mention how stupid it seems to make seeds that when they mature into plants don't reproduce any seeds.....yeah, let's make our food non-sustainable, makes perfect sense"
Again, I will try to educate you a bit. We COULD keep back soybean seed, but Monsanto's patent laws don't allow that...there in-lies some of the growers distain for them.
But as for corn, hybrid corn yields anywhere from 150-225 bushels per acre. IF we kept back the corn grain as SEED (and it would reproduce) we would see yields drop to 50 bushels per acre. U.S. agriculture could NOT supply the world's demand for protien at the those yield levels.
But I guess Pepe if you want your cost of food to quadripple, we'll regress 60+ years in science.
But until that time, you keep on keepin on, and let the experts, U.S. farmers, continue to provide the World with the SAFEST supply of meat and grain modern man has ever known.
I’ll say your prayers I’ll take your side
I promise a way to make light...
What's saved could be one last lifetime
Commy, yet now we find common ground. NO government is the best gov'mt, less is more.
And (I can't believe I'm bout to say this) but your point about empires falling is excatly what scares the hell outta me. As the US economy falters, China continues to gain momentum.
Commy wrote:
"...and every single empire in the history of empires. and empires fall, eventually."
Point, counter point, that's they way it works...
what's so alarming about that? we wont be asked to fight every world war anymore, wont be expected to give tons of money for every humanitarian cause ever, all those commie socialists that have you up wetting the bed in terror at night will be gone becos government will collapse, and you can build your own delightful anarchic commune in central indiana full of good, red-blooded, ww2 vet descended, commie-hatin, bible-lovin REAL americans. we all win. let china take a crack at solving the world's problems like we have, see where it gets em.
Soulsinging I was about to rip you until I looked at your profile only to see you are Only 27. Then it occurred to me while I was taking in my first Pearl Jam show in 1994, YOU probably Were having bed-wetting issues.
And since re-joining this fine fan club in 2000, I have only recently jumped into this fine message board upon the release of Backspacer.
Since your joining 10C in 2003, your 12,000+ posts show at least you have some form of a hobby...I guess.
And I AM Proud of 2 things:
1. being a Grandson of a WWII vet- if you have problem with that then I'm glad I was Never in a Foxhole w/ your yellow bellied ass.
2. I would rather be from Indiana than "Any where You are..."
Chicago Stadium - Mar 10, 1994; Elliot Hall, Purdue University - Mar 17, 1994; Summerfest - Jul 08, 1995; Soldier Field - Jul 11, 1995; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 26, 1998; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 27, 1998; United Center - Jun 29, 1998; Riverport Amphitheatre - Jul 02, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 17, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 18, 2000; Riverbend Music Center - Aug 20, 2000; Polaris Amphitheatre - Aug 21, 2000; Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000; Assembly Hall - Apr 23, 2003; Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Indiana - Jun 22, 2003; US Bank Arena - Jun 24, 2006
I’ll say your prayers I’ll take your side
I promise a way to make light...
What's saved could be one last lifetime
I have a couple buddies who have come home from Iraq and said the media has it all wrong in regards to how our troops are treated by the majority of the Iraqi people. We need our troops home just like they want their country to be at peace. So I ask, which is worse, a civil war over new-found power, or genocide of Kurds because they don't fall in line? And don't give me the "no proof of WMD" line that I've heard from my liberal friends. Any good hard evidence of WMD was destroyed or moved (or sold) while the UN was jacking around.
And your take on innocent family members being killed...you make it sound like US troops were targeting women and children. Collateral damage is a sad fact of war.
And don't get me started on France. They've had more forms of government in my life time than I've had cars and or girlfriends. (I'm 38 and No man whore) As an agriculturalist I can absolutely tell you the sole country that has exclusive trade agreements on wheat with such countries as Ethiopia...yes France. France is the #1 pain in the ass in doing Ag trade with the EU.
Seriously Vedderman71, do you have any proof that Any good hard evidence of WMD was destroyed or moved (or sold) while the UN was jacking around or are you just always throwing out half-truths hoping your theories might actually stick to the wall?
any chance in you answering this or are you going to just continue to insult people? i've answered all of your questions you''ve asked of me and even provided links
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Actually brandon10, if you had any well sourced knowledge other than your ignorant brief hash-pipe induced opinions you spew here, one of Eddie's best friends was Johnny Ramone, well known right-wing conservative. Johnny and Ed spent many hours playing Johnny's juke-box of classic rock and discussing not rock 'n roll, but...wait...Politics. (Rolling Stone) And you prove your inability to debate by "quoting" my post and telling me I'm not worth your time, yet while not making any valid points to re-buff my quotes from the known liberal public domain known as NPR.
I was able to get 2nd row @ the Champaign, IL show back in April of '03, just after the band was taking heat for "Bushleager." I had a custom made T-shirt w/ "Bushbacker" on the back and "Conservatives have feelings too" on the front. The girls in the front row ahead of me got Ed's attention during the bridge of "Alive," and we showed him my shirt. Ed got a big smile and gave me a thumbs up.
The point of this whole mess is give a damn, don't stay on the side-lines and criticize others while not having a well found factual point of your own.
He who casts stones in a glass house...
Game on brandon10...and I'm "Wicked Smart" and have shot down much bigger fish than your lame un-founded takes a long time ago. Bring IT!
Seriuosly?? You are comparing yourself to Johnny Ramone?! :roll: I guess that's what "wicked smart" people do? How smart do you have to be to realize you are a complete douchebag? Would that be "crazy smart"? Or "super duper smart"? Or "out of this world smart"? Oh I know...it's "Sarah Palin smart"! That's what you are...."Sarah Palin smart". You should really change your name from Vedderman to Sarah Palin smart.
Oh and hey SarahPalinsmart, I know how Eddie feels about conservitive know it alls like you because I talked with him about it. See that picture on the right? That's Eddie and I. I talked politics with him. And trust me, everything you say here in this thread would disgust him!!!
You are more of an enemy to the United States than a peace loving Persian.
Soulsinging I was about to rip you until I looked at your profile only to see you are Only 27. Then it occurred to me while I was taking in my first Pearl Jam show in 1994, YOU probably Were having bed-wetting issues.
And since re-joining this fine fan club in 2000, I have only recently jumped into this fine message board upon the release of Backspacer.
Since your joining 10C in 2003, your 12,000+ posts show at least you have some form of a hobby...I guess.
And I AM Proud of 2 things:
1. being a Grandson of a WWII vet- if you have problem with that then I'm glad I was Never in a Foxhole w/ your yellow bellied ass.
2. I would rather be from Indiana than "Any where You are..."
Chicago Stadium - Mar 10, 1994; Elliot Hall, Purdue University - Mar 17, 1994; Summerfest - Jul 08, 1995; Soldier Field - Jul 11, 1995; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 26, 1998; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 27, 1998; United Center - Jun 29, 1998; Riverport Amphitheatre - Jul 02, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 17, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 18, 2000; Riverbend Music Center - Aug 20, 2000; Polaris Amphitheatre - Aug 21, 2000; Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000; Assembly Hall - Apr 23, 2003; Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Indiana - Jun 22, 2003; US Bank Arena - Jun 24, 2006
seriously, comparing fandom and listing shows you attended is just juvenile and is usually reserved for fanboys on the porch. listing your shows you have been to is kind of like comparing dick size, but in the end nobody really gives a shit about either of those two things.
if being a grandson of a WW2 vet and being from indiana are the only two things you are proud of then you have not experienced very much.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Soulsinging I was about to rip you until I looked at your profile only to see you are Only 27. Then it occurred to me while I was taking in my first Pearl Jam show in 1994, YOU probably Were having bed-wetting issues.
And since re-joining this fine fan club in 2000, I have only recently jumped into this fine message board upon the release of Backspacer.
Since your joining 10C in 2003, your 12,000+ posts show at least you have some form of a hobby...I guess.
And I AM Proud of 2 things:
1. being a Grandson of a WWII vet- if you have problem with that then I'm glad I was Never in a Foxhole w/ your yellow bellied ass.
2. I would rather be from Indiana than "Any where You are..."
Chicago Stadium - Mar 10, 1994; Elliot Hall, Purdue University - Mar 17, 1994; Summerfest - Jul 08, 1995; Soldier Field - Jul 11, 1995; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 26, 1998; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 27, 1998; United Center - Jun 29, 1998; Riverport Amphitheatre - Jul 02, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 17, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 18, 2000; Riverbend Music Center - Aug 20, 2000; Polaris Amphitheatre - Aug 21, 2000; Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000; Assembly Hall - Apr 23, 2003; Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Indiana - Jun 22, 2003; US Bank Arena - Jun 24, 2006
is the list of shows supposed to impress me or somehow win the argument for you? shall we measure dick sizes next? :roll:
1. i have no problem with it other than the fact that you seem to think it grants you some sort of superiority over others. both my grandparents served, one in ww2, one in korea. you don't see me bragging about it or using it in some pathetic attempt to lend inferior arguments credibility. and you certainly doing see me telling europeans that they should be slobbin my knob becos of what my daddy's daddy did. you're cheapening the sacrifices that not only they, but also our allies (including the USSR) made by using them as a cheap ego boost, like you deserve a pat on the back for it. i'd also say your comment about the fox hole is pretty damn laughable since by your own admission, YOU sure as hell never served in one. might want to look into that before you start throwing charges of 'yellow.' why didnt you enlist for gulf war 1, since you're generations older than me?
2. my disdain for indiana is a personal grudge and revolves around elliott hall and campus coincidentally. don't be hurt by it. i'm from ohio, which is only tolerable becos i can tell myself at least it isn't indiana
better to be wetting the bed in 94 becos i was still a kid than to be a grown man whining like a baby and living in terror of those bogeyman commies and terrorists (i tried to spell it the way your fav president says it but it doesnt translate to english) still. the cold war is over. your black and white way of seeing the world is dead. the so-called greatest generation is dying and it's high time we stopped acting like we're all that and a bag of chips and started showing some respect for the rest of the world that isn't conditioned upon them kissing YOUR ass for accomplishment made by your GRANDFATHER. the US will not stay on top as long as we keep alienating everyone else in the world.
Soulsinging I was about to rip you until I looked at your profile only to see you are Only 27. Then it occurred to me while I was taking in my first Pearl Jam show in 1994, YOU probably Were having bed-wetting issues.
And since re-joining this fine fan club in 2000, I have only recently jumped into this fine message board upon the release of Backspacer.
Since your joining 10C in 2003, your 12,000+ posts show at least you have some form of a hobby...I guess.
And I AM Proud of 2 things:
1. being a Grandson of a WWII vet- if you have problem with that then I'm glad I was Never in a Foxhole w/ your yellow bellied ass.
2. I would rather be from Indiana than "Any where You are..."
Chicago Stadium - Mar 10, 1994; Elliot Hall, Purdue University - Mar 17, 1994; Summerfest - Jul 08, 1995; Soldier Field - Jul 11, 1995; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 26, 1998; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 27, 1998; United Center - Jun 29, 1998; Riverport Amphitheatre - Jul 02, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 17, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 18, 2000; Riverbend Music Center - Aug 20, 2000; Polaris Amphitheatre - Aug 21, 2000; Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000; Assembly Hall - Apr 23, 2003; Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Indiana - Jun 22, 2003; US Bank Arena - Jun 24, 2006
is the list of shows supposed to impress me or somehow win the argument for you? shall we measure dick sizes next? :roll:
1. i have no problem with it other than the fact that you seem to think it grants you some sort of superiority over others. both my grandparents served, one in ww2, one in korea. you don't see me bragging about it or using it in some pathetic attempt to lend inferior arguments credibility. and you certainly doing see me telling europeans that they should be slobbin my knob becos of what my daddy's daddy did. you're cheapening the sacrifices that not only they, but also our allies (including the USSR) made by using them as a cheap ego boost, like you deserve a pat on the back for it. i'd also say your comment about the fox hole is pretty damn laughable since by your own admission, YOU sure as hell never served in one. might want to look into that before you start throwing charges of 'yellow.' why didnt you enlist for gulf war 1, since you're generations older than me?
2. my disdain for indiana is a personal grudge and revolves around elliott hall and campus coincidentally. don't be hurt by it. i'm from ohio, which is only tolerable becos i can tell myself at least it isn't indiana
better to be wetting the bed in 94 becos i was still a kid than to be a grown man whining like a baby and living in terror of those bogeyman commies and terrorists (i tried to spell it the way your fav president says it but it doesnt translate to english) still. the cold war is over. your black and white way of seeing the world is dead. the so-called greatest generation is dying and it's high time we stopped acting like we're all that and a bag of chips and started showing some respect for the rest of the world that isn't conditioned upon them kissing YOUR ass for accomplishment made by your GRANDFATHER. the US will not stay on top as long as we keep alienating everyone else in the world.
"greatest generation my ass, Tom Brokaw's a punk"
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
And Before you all show your ignorance on this topic just know the FDA, USDA and the EPA have all endorsed these technologies. These advances actually allow growers to use LESS pesticides and chemicals by modifying a protein in the parent seed.
didn't the FDA only approve rBGH AFTER a Monsanto exec and a lawyer for Monsanto stepped down and took positions in the FDA?
Liberals and many in this thread have very interesting way of "estimating" the number of civilian casualties. So I did a little research of my own, thinking at first to go to Fox News, but I knew you all wouldn't appreciate their figures. So what I have here is an excert from a recent interview from NPR:
or maybe because it's next to impossible to find a transcript of a Fox News show?
i'm willing to bet this will be the only time you accept NPR as a valid news source or anything they say
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Soulsinging I was about to rip you until I looked at your profile only to see you are Only 27. Then it occurred to me while I was taking in my first Pearl Jam show in 1994, YOU probably Were having bed-wetting issues.
And since re-joining this fine fan club in 2000, I have only recently jumped into this fine message board upon the release of Backspacer.
Since your joining 10C in 2003, your 12,000+ posts show at least you have some form of a hobby...I guess.
And I AM Proud of 2 things:
1. being a Grandson of a WWII vet- if you have problem with that then I'm glad I was Never in a Foxhole w/ your yellow bellied ass.
2. I would rather be from Indiana than "Any where You are..."
Chicago Stadium - Mar 10, 1994; Elliot Hall, Purdue University - Mar 17, 1994; Summerfest - Jul 08, 1995; Soldier Field - Jul 11, 1995; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 26, 1998; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 27, 1998; United Center - Jun 29, 1998; Riverport Amphitheatre - Jul 02, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 17, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 18, 2000; Riverbend Music Center - Aug 20, 2000; Polaris Amphitheatre - Aug 21, 2000; Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000; Assembly Hall - Apr 23, 2003; Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Indiana - Jun 22, 2003; US Bank Arena - Jun 24, 2006
seriously, comparing fandom and listing shows you attended is just juvenile and is usually reserved for fanboys on the porch. listing your shows you have been to is kind of like comparing dick size, but in the end nobody really gives a shit about either of those two things.
if being a grandson of a WW2 vet and being from indiana are the only two things you are proud of then you have not experienced very much.
that's clever... i like:)
Americans have a lot to be proud of... why so many unfortunately rave about preaching liberty and freedom to the rest of the world will never cease to amaze me... it should just be accepted, if nothing else, that war is waged, perhaps out of necessity, and that places like Gitmo will follow (and really every country that;s invaded by foreign soldiers is a Gitmo; Gitmo proper just happens to have the benefit of media hype at least)... but saying that that shit's being done in the name of freedom etc is what MOST angers fuckers all over the world... to an extent, leaders of most nations do the same as well as rebel/ Islamic militant groups ... but not to the same, crazy, fucked up degree... it so needs to be realized that war is never something to rave about or be proud of... if those close to you have fought in wars, the last thing to be done is to treat them like fuckin trophies... i've had a very close family member fight in a war against India, and i just pray God has fuckin mercy on him... how people can just tell themselves, apparently quite easily and only too often, that all their respective enemies are in some way "evil" or hardly fuckin human, and that they themselves are not the same, so fuck em up and be proud of it, is beyond me... Sad world we live in
I knew better than to reason with any of you libs.
My point about Ed enjoying talking politics is that we all don't have to agree but a discussion and dialog can be good. I used to debate a buddy of mine, but we spin ourselves back to the same basic fundamental diffrences.
One man's mind sharpens another man's like metal to metal, sword to sword...bet none of you even get that refernce and the "Source."
The 2 things I referenced were in "defense" the cheap shot from soulsinging who wrote:
"...central indiana full of good, red-blooded, ww2 vet descended, commie-hatin, bible-lovin REAL americans."
I feel no need to defend Who I Am and What I am to some one who has seen the world 11 years less than I have. My point about the shows I've seen was that I was into Pearl Jam while this guy was 12.
So I HAVE seen plenty...and I ask myself as I write this and I'm thinking, "Why the hell do I give fuck what people I have never met and have NO idea who I am or What I am really like?"
Just like I'm tired of defending who I am, I don't think we need to pander all our critics all over the world.
The U.S. can't be run by a suggestion box or opinion polls like Clinton's did.
Doing the Right Thing is Not always the Popular thing. That's what libs and socialist (same thing these days) do Not seem to have the abilty to wrap their brains around.
Pepe your comment about "The Greatest Generation" makes my skin crawl. If you are living in the U.S., let me offer to buy your plane ticket straight the hell outta here. Your lack of appreciation of sacrifices made by previous generations is exactly what is weakening this Country, day by day, hour by hour. Makes me literally sick in the pit of my stomach.
And one last thing Pepe, leave me to feeding the World, you keep on being Pepe....your ignorance on agriculture shows how far most have grown away from the land that feeds us.
I’ll say your prayers I’ll take your side
I promise a way to make light...
What's saved could be one last lifetime
I knew better than to reason with any of you libs.
My point about Ed enjoying talking politics is that we all don't have to agree but a discussion and dialog can be good. I used to debate a buddy of mine, but we spin ourselves back to the same basic fundamental diffrences.
One man's mind sharpens another man's like metal to metal, sword to sword...bet none of you even get that refernce and the "Source."
The 2 things I referenced were in "defense" the cheap shot from soulsinging who wrote:
"...central indiana full of good, red-blooded, ww2 vet descended, commie-hatin, bible-lovin REAL americans."
I feel no need to defend Who I Am and What I am to some one who has seen the world 11 years less than I have. My point about the shows I've seen was that I was into Pearl Jam while this guy was 12.
So I HAVE seen plenty...and I ask myself as I write this and I'm thinking, "Why the hell do I give fuck what people I have never met and have NO idea who I am or What I am really like?"
Just like I'm tired of defending who I am, I don't think we need to pander all our critics all over the world.
The U.S. can't be run by a suggestion box or opinion polls like Clinton's did.
Doing the Right Thing is Not always the Popular thing. That's what libs and socialist (same thing these days) do Not seem to have the abilty to wrap their brains around.
Pepe your comment about "The Greatest Generation" makes my skin crawl. If you are living in the U.S., let me offer to buy your plane ticket straight the hell outta here. Your lack of appreciation of sacrifices made by previous generations is exactly what is weakening this Country, day by day, hour by hour. Makes me literally sick in the pit of my stomach.
And one last thing Pepe, leave me to feeding the World, you keep on being Pepe....your ignorance on agriculture shows how far most have grown away from the land that feeds us.
Listen SarahPalinsmart, The only one that should be leaving the States is YOU! You are the enemy within the borders. You are the terrorist. You are the one hampering peace and civility in this nation. You are old news. We the peaople have seen your kind for many years. And everyone is starting to realize who the real enemy to freedom and prosperity in America is..........YOU.
I knew better than to reason with any of you libs.
My point about Ed enjoying talking politics is that we all don't have to agree but a discussion and dialog can be good. I used to debate a buddy of mine, but we spin ourselves back to the same basic fundamental diffrences.
One man's mind sharpens another man's like metal to metal, sword to sword...bet none of you even get that refernce and the "Source."
The 2 things I referenced were in "defense" the cheap shot from soulsinging who wrote:
"...central indiana full of good, red-blooded, ww2 vet descended, commie-hatin, bible-lovin REAL americans."
I feel no need to defend Who I Am and What I am to some one who has seen the world 11 years less than I have. My point about the shows I've seen was that I was into Pearl Jam while this guy was 12.
So I HAVE seen plenty...and I ask myself as I write this and I'm thinking, "Why the hell do I give fuck what people I have never met and have NO idea who I am or What I am really like?"
Just like I'm tired of defending who I am, I don't think we need to pander all our critics all over the world.
The U.S. can't be run by a suggestion box or opinion polls like Clinton's did.
Doing the Right Thing is Not always the Popular thing. That's what libs and socialist (same thing these days) do Not seem to have the abilty to wrap their brains around.
Pepe your comment about "The Greatest Generation" makes my skin crawl. If you are living in the U.S., let me offer to buy your plane ticket straight the hell outta here. Your lack of appreciation of sacrifices made by previous generations is exactly what is weakening this Country, day by day, hour by hour. Makes me literally sick in the pit of my stomach.
And one last thing Pepe, leave me to feeding the World, you keep on being Pepe....your ignorance on agriculture shows how far most have grown away from the land that feeds us.
ha ha pepe, he pretty much told you to "love it or leave it"...such a simplistic position that is so 2003...
i am pretty sure that soulsinging was joking. was there not a wink after his post?
again your love of pearl jam is irrelevent on the moving train. i saw my first show in 1992 and i am 34. does that make me a better person or a bigger fan? no, not at all. and that does not make me a better debater, do you see my point? fandom has no bearing on this thread or any of the topics that we discuss on the train. like i said earlier, that is reserved for forums like the porch. yes soulsinging is younger than you, but your age does not entitle you to automatic bowing down and automatic respect. you earn respect on this board with reasoned debate, thought provoking posts, reputable links and sources to back your position, and not by being a prick or spouting things like "i am a bigger fan than you"...
you say doing the right thing is not popular. you might have different ethics and morals than i do, but to me and the majority of american the right thing is get out the hell out of the middle east, close gitmo, provide insurance for all americans, and go back to being leaders in this world rather than a clandestine rogue country that will topple your country if we don't like the leader.
lastly, i really doubt that people's lack of appreciation for what our grandparents have done is weakening this country hour by hour, day by day...this can never be proven and is the same thing i heard fat rush say last week. there is no evidence of that. besides weakness and strength in the sense you are referring to is subjective in nature.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The issue I have with G-Bay is that we hear ANYTHING about it. It is a Military prison. If every detail of every WAR fought over the Centuries of Humanity was revealed, it would be upsetting and disturbing to the average working person whom a majority of which have not seen their loved ones killed protecting them. The place isn't supposed to be a Fucking Holiday Inn Express...It is holding prisoners who have killed, or plotted to kill UNITED STATES Soldiers and Citizens. To the media- Don't tell us of Military operations, the general public cannot handle it. ESPECIALLY The SUPER-Liberal, $UPER-Rich Musicians taking a stand against it. Take off the Rose-colored glasses, clowns. I love the music, but sometimes the "make love, not war" bullshit is too much.
I hear ya, I can't get my daughter an H1N1 vaccination but I heard the prisoners at Gitmo are all getting them. Not sure if it's true or not but thats what I heard on the radio.
yes, some of those people are sent off to Guantanamo and then there's the demographic of innocent people who were picked up because of a hunch or their name was similar to someone else's or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time and then they are kidnapped, their families have idea where they are, are tortured and can be held like that indefinitely for nothing
Seriously Pepe, do you have any proof that people with "the wrong last name" is who is being held at Gitmo, or are you just always throwing out half-truths hoping your theories might actually stick to the wall?
I agree process those incarcerated. But to just shut the base down? Where's the planning in that?
Oh ya, I forgot, what was once the most influential country in the world is being "led" by a Junior Senator whose biggest supporter is a day-time talk show host. Of course he has a plan...
Only in America...."It's Evolution Babe-Bee!!"
President Obama...150 days of experience as JR. Senator....YEAH GO OBAMA, SAVE THE FREAKIN WORLD. Look out if GOV. PALIN wears something people don't like though. Peoples thinking process is totally wacked.
I find a bit odd that the biggest critics of US policies are folks from Polland, England and some from Canada.
I realize WWII was several decades ago, but my Grandfather didn't take bullet in vain so you folks weren't forced to become Nazis and speak German. Whenever the world gets in a skirmish, many turn to the US for help. We ARE the World's police, so be it.
I'm not going to apologize for the fact that we, as proud Americans, tend to take exception to people attacking innocent people; let alone Our Own innocent.
The Known Terrorist that are confined at Gitmo are the same people Recruiting the suicide bombers, Training young people how to fire an AK-47 at the innocent. Many of the detainees were on CIA and FBI "whatch lists" that were basically "observed" during the weak Clinton administration.
If you want to sit back and take unfounded ignorant cheap shots at the US from the confort of your peaceful home-town, then that is your choice. Or, you could ask the newly liberated Iraqi people what they think of their recently new found freedoms.
Also, maybe travel to New York City and ask the survivors and family members of those lost on 9/11 what Their Opinion of closing GITMO would be. You think their response would be: "Sure, show compassion upon those whom helped plan gruesome attacks on the innocent. Hell let all move to NYC so they can be our neighbors!"
Better yet, let's ship these fine detainees to Poland, South England and Canada.
Hell even France "volunteered" to take ONE prisoner! How brave of Frenchie...but what else would you expect?
Thank You Vedderman.I am not so good with words and you said it all for me.....I hope the little puke from south of england reads this!!!!!
I find a bit odd that the biggest critics of US policies are folks from Polland, England and some from Canada.
I realize WWII was several decades ago, but my Grandfather didn't take bullet in vain so you folks weren't forced to become Nazis and speak German. Whenever the world gets in a skirmish, many turn to the US for help. We ARE the World's police, so be it.
I'm not going to apologize for the fact that we, as proud Americans, tend to take exception to people attacking innocent people; let alone Our Own innocent.
The Known Terrorist that are confined at Gitmo are the same people Recruiting the suicide bombers, Training young people how to fire an AK-47 at the innocent. Many of the detainees were on CIA and FBI "whatch lists" that were basically "observed" during the weak Clinton administration.
If you want to sit back and take unfounded ignorant cheap shots at the US from the confort of your peaceful home-town, then that is your choice. Or, you could ask the newly liberated Iraqi people what they think of their recently new found freedoms.
Also, maybe travel to New York City and ask the survivors and family members of those lost on 9/11 what Their Opinion of closing GITMO would be. You think their response would be: "Sure, show compassion upon those whom helped plan gruesome attacks on the innocent. Hell let all move to NYC so they can be our neighbors!"
Better yet, let's ship these fine detainees to Poland, South England and Canada.
Hell even France "volunteered" to take ONE prisoner! How brave of Frenchie...but what else would you expect?
-why would you find it odd that people from outside the US would be critical of its policies? Open debate about international issues is open to all peoples
-this whole WWII business of "you owe us forever for saving your asses" is getting tiresome. Did the US win that war alone? NOPE.
-generally speaking, the US helps those where it also benefits the US in turn. It is in the US's best interests to get rid of dictators that might take the reigns as the next superpower, or be in control of the all the worlds riches. I don't see the US rushing to the aid of Africans starving to death. Nothing gained there, is there?
-I'm glad we agree that due process is a requirement for ALL humans. The way things are currently done at Gitmo goes beyond what is defined as a war crime. GWB and his administration should be in prison themselves.
-I think many of those "liberated Iraqi people" you speak of might have a different viewpoint than you think. They've wanted the US to get the fuck out of there months, maybe even years, ago. How many of their family members have been killed by US forces, and just counted as collateral damage? Too many to count. All at the price of this so-called liberation, which has just blown up into civil war the likes of which that nation has not seen.
-there are several 9/11 survivors and New Yorkers in general that disagree with how suspected terrorists are treated.
-and the last comment about France, well, let's just say it shows your position on foreign affairs.
By the way you talk Johnny I am assuming yyou are not an american and do not live in the u.s......right?
The 2 things I referenced were in "defense" the cheap shot from soulsinging who wrote:
"...central indiana full of good, red-blooded, ww2 vet descended, commie-hatin, bible-lovin REAL americans."
I feel no need to defend Who I Am and What I am to some one who has seen the world 11 years less than I have. My point about the shows I've seen was that I was into Pearl Jam while this guy was 12.
So I HAVE seen plenty...and I ask myself as I write this and I'm thinking, "Why the hell do I give fuck what people I have never met and have NO idea who I am or What I am really like?"
Just like I'm tired of defending who I am, I don't think we need to pander all our critics all over the world.
The U.S. can't be run by a suggestion box or opinion polls like Clinton's did.
I said that because you had made it clear that those were the only people you considered real americans... those who mindlessly worship all things patriotism out of a belief that our country is Jesus's favorite.
I take it you have no response to my points about the way you exploit your grandfather's achievements for personal ego boosts and ask all Europeans to kiss your ass for what he did?
Also, as to opinion polls... when 95% of those polled say you're an asshole... sure sometimes they're wrong, but sometimes it means you're acting like an asshole.
By the way you talk Johnny I am assuming yyou are not an american and do not live in the u.s......right?
why come you said that?
he talks like a fag hahahahahahaha
:roll:
sorry....Idiocracy becomes more prophetic all the time....and I've had the words 'why come' in my head for days, needed to get 'em out.
Are you now going to tell him that his opinions on US foreign policy don't matter if he's not american?
I haven't posted in here in a while because I've been busy with Capitalistic endevors of Commerce. It's a really interesting concept Commy should look into. Basically, you do work producing and selling goods, and then...wait for it ...you get PAID for your goods or services; in this case the harvest of soybeans and corn in order for us to feed the World!
Accross Oceans, I can't even begin to imagine what life is like in your part of the world, nor could I even begin to comment on your culture or lifestyle. Having said that, I wouldn't trade where I live with any one, let alone any one in this thread. I sicerely wish you well, and when/if you can make it to the U.S., I invite you to Central Indiana and we can have a good discussion over a beverage.
Pepe your ignorance on anything American was shown in the threads regarding U.S. agriculture. The "newsources" (I am using that term lightly) you site are internet sites with a strong agenda where they have little to no creditability as valid world news. And most Americans with any common sense see the NY Times as a Verrry Slanted liberal rag with a very strong agenda. Common Dreams?? How very socialist of you, I''m sure Commy luvs that site.
And Commy, the next time I give Frenchie any credit is when I support its nude beaches; or else I get more vacation days (they're on holiday about half the year) or when I work on my appreciation of fine wines. The reason why I sited their agriculture trade policies was to reference the "elitest" view of themselves, yet they continue to limit the amount of wheat that flows into Ethopia. AND the French government is shackling its farmers by not allowing them to use genetically modified crops and won't import such grain. And Before you all show your ignorance on this topic just know the FDA, USDA and the EPA have all endorsed these technologies. These advances actually allow growers to use LESS pesticides and chemicals by modifying a protein in the parent seed. Now EU scientists and universities are endorsing these technologies, but the French politians won't reverse their stance.
And the French revolt because their government is a JOKE. The U.S. has revolution" every 2 to 4 years...it's called an Election. Democracy....hmmm yes, you can say it DEMOCRACY.
Gimmesometruth: I truly feel sorry for you having such a poor opinion of the U.S. military. And I won't apologize to any one for taking my grandfather's involvement in WWII so personal. Just to let you all know how your painting with broad strokes paints a VERY Inaccurate picture of the World, let alone the U.S. and our troops. My Grandfather Lied about his age so he could fight for his country. He said he was 18 when in fact he just turned 17. So he DID NOT get drafted, he enlisted. When the U.S. gets attacked, we kind of take it personal. My younger buddy who just got back from Iraq, he ENLISTED after 9/11. He walked away from a great construction job to serve. One of my friend's brother re-upped for a THIRD tour and left his newly-wed wife at home for another year tour because of his Education in communication technology he is needed over in Iraq.
Johnny Sitar: finding thousands of gallons of chemical weapons that Hussien used on his own people isn't enough for ya, is it? Advanced techinical drawing and plans for nuclear developement and enrichment not enough either? You think Hussien's minions were just trying to study up to broaden their horizons? What makes me laugh is that any proof is never enough for libs. Your neivity on whether or not WMD were destroyed or sold baffles me. You think Iraq, Iran, N. Korea and Al Quida exchange receipts on WMD? Iraq kept the UN, the U.S. and the World at it's borders and check points for well over a month. What do you really think they were doing that whole time? Tidying up the place, getting records in order?
Liberals and many in this thread have very interesting way of "estimating" the number of civilian casualties. So I did a little research of my own, thinking at first to go to Fox News, but I knew you all wouldn't appreciate their figures. So what I have here is an excert from a recent interview from NPR:
CONAN: Joining us now is Nicholas Goldberg, a deputy editor at the Los Angeles Times. He works on the editorial pages there. Last month, he wrote a piece called "The Rules of War" and joins us from the studios at the Los Angeles Times. Nice to have you with us today.
Mr. NICHOLAS GOLDBERG (Deputy Editor, Los Angeles Times; Author, "The Rules of War"): Nice to be here.
CONAN: And as we mentioned very briefly, in the past, by comparison with previous wars, Afghanistan, even Iraq, are miniscule.
Mr. GOLDBERG: Oh yeah, they're really quite small. The Brookings Institution estimates that about, you know, 5,000 or a little more civilians have died in the war between 2006 and 2009. If you look at Iraq, that number's closer to 60,000. If you look at Vietnam, the number of civilians who died was in the millions, and in World War II, nearly 40 million non-combatants were killed. World War I, there were about six million non-combatants killed. So you can see that the numbers in Afghanistan, although worrisome, although bad, are much, much, much smaller.
And normally I wouldn't give much credit to the L.A. Times, another liberal rag, but those are the facts they site...
Chew on that...back to harvest my genetically engineered grain!
Ive also heard MSNBC (a liberal news station) saying that Obama has dropped more bombs and killed more cicilians in 9.5 months than Bush has in 3 years. People had so much to say when it was Bush's war...where did they all go?
I have actually stated my position on GITMO on p. 2 of this thread:
"I agree process those incarcerated. But to just shut the base down? Where's the planning in that?
Oh ya, I forgot, what was once the most influential country in the world is being "led" by a Junior Senator whose biggest supporter is a day-time talk show host. Of course he has a plan...
Only in America...."It's Evolution Babe-Bee!!"
Obama has not stated his plans for Gitmo because he grossly underestimated the task. Now he's stuck trying to uphold an election promise, when in fact the problem at hand doesn't have an easy over-nite "feel good" way to solve the complexity of the problem. Unfortuantely, I am not so nieve to think that at least a few detainees are innocent. Get them processed. But for those that are guilty of warm crimes; recruiting suicide bombers; training young people to fire AK-47's (left overs from the COMMUNIST U.S.S.R.) at the innocent; recruiting and training fellow terrorist to fly planes into buildings full of business workers.
And as for the Iraqi civilian losses, it's so hard to ever say what happened in each individual battle. But here's an example from the same NPR interview session referencing fighting in Afghanistan and how the Taliban use civilians as shields.
CONAN: You say reduce the number of airstrikes - much tighter rules. You were one of the reporters who went and investigated, not in Helmand Province, but out in the western part of Afghanistan, the airstrike that, well, it's become notorious.
BOWMAN: Exactly. It was in Farah Province back in May, and we don't know exactly how many were killed. The Americans say roughly 30, 35 civilians were killed. The Afghan government said it was 140. And that happened when airstrikes were called in, including a B-2 bomber, a huge bomber. And again, this is a case where, you know, the Taliban are shooting back at the Americans. There were some Afghan police and army involved in that, caught up in that. And the decision by the commander on the ground, to save Afghan forces and to save his forces, he felt he had to call in those bombing strikes. But again, it leads to a lot of civilian casualties sometimes.
CONAN: Is there any indication that the Taliban deliberately fights from behind cover of civilians?
BOWMAN: Oh, absolutely. They use human shields. And the U.N. report that just came out said that they got a memo or something from one of the deputies to Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, who told his people to actually go in there, into civilian areas, and start shooting from these houses and buildings, hoping that there'll be a response, a larger response from the Americans that will kill civilians. So this is a tactic that they use and talk about.
CONAN: And if you're denying one of the great forces U.S. - advantages U.S. and NATO forces have is command of the air. If you're restricting that, aren't you restricting one of your great advantages?
BOWMAN: Well, you really are. I think there's no question you're putting U.S. troops at greater risk by doing this sort of cordon-and-search or just cordon operation as opposed to calling in airstrikes. But as they say, the most important thing in this counterinsurgency fight is winning the people over from the insurgents, but I think there's no question they'll be taking a little more risk
Also, this same radio interview, the interviewer listed Afghanistan then Iraq in his line of questioning on civilian deaths.
CONAN: And as we mentioned very briefly, in the past, by comparison with previous wars, Afghanistan, even Iraq, are miniscule.
Mr. GOLDBERG: Oh yeah, they're really quite small. The Brookings Institution estimates that about, you know, 5,000 or a little more civilians have died in the war between 2006 and 2009. If you look at Iraq, that number's closer to 60,000. If you look at Vietnam, the number of civilians who died was in the millions, and in World War II, nearly 40 million non-combatants were killed. World War I, there were about six million non-combatants killed. So you can see that the numbers in Afghanistan, although worrisome, although bad, are much, much, much smaller.
And brandon10, you make the "effort" to quote my entire rant then only to hit me with:
"You live a sad existence." No it's weaklings like you who live such a negative existance of animosity towards the U.S. and it's military that leads to why there is so much negativity in the "X-Generation" of young people of this country. You think our fore-fathers stopped to ponder and wonder, "Wow, I wonder what this attack on the beaches of Normandy is going to be percieved by others?" Do you really think General MaCarthur in today's World would give a DAMN about World-wide opinion polls?
I'm not about to waste my energy dealing with an insignificant, ill informed, brainwashed kool-aid drinker like you. You get what you deserve. One liners.
And way to keep posting a conversation with Conan :roll: No one cares. The only thing we are accompilshing over there is creating more enemies. But you are too numb to understand that.
You should take Vedder's name out of yours. It's disgusting. And I'm sure he would be sickened by it.
Brandon, you haven't said one intelligent thing on this post yet. Do you have anything of value to say?
Actually brandon10, if you had any well sourced knowledge other than your ignorant brief hash-pipe induced opinions you spew here, one of Eddie's best friends was Johnny Ramone, well known right-wing conservative. Johnny and Ed spent many hours playing Johnny's juke-box of classic rock and discussing not rock 'n roll, but...wait...Politics. (Rolling Stone) And you prove your inability to debate by "quoting" my post and telling me I'm not worth your time, yet while not making any valid points to re-buff my quotes from the known liberal public domain known as NPR.
I was able to get 2nd row @ the Champaign, IL show back in April of '03, just after the band was taking heat for "Bushleager." I had a custom made T-shirt w/ "Bushbacker" on the back and "Conservatives have feelings too" on the front. The girls in the front row ahead of me got Ed's attention during the bridge of "Alive," and we showed him my shirt. Ed got a big smile and gave me a thumbs up.
The point of this whole mess is give a damn, don't stay on the side-lines and criticize others while not having a well found factual point of your own.
He who casts stones in a glass house...
Game on brandon10...and I'm "Wicked Smart" and have shot down much bigger fish than your lame un-founded takes a long time ago. Bring IT!
Ive also heard MSNBC (a liberal news station) saying that Obama has dropped more bombs and killed more cicilians in 9.5 months than Bush has in 3 years. People had so much to say when it was Bush's war...where did they all go?
Can you give a single example of a poster in this forum (or anywhere else for that matter) that has changed their stance on the war based on which president is in office? People put way more faith in Obama than I was comfortable seeing, and some gave him more slack than he deserved while he got his bearings in office....but I can't think of anyone who gave him a pass on the wars. Everyone that was against them then, is still against them.
Never ceases to amaze me how people make something so important into a fucking schoolyard squabble over whose daddy is tougher.
I have a couple buddies who have come home from Iraq and said the media has it all wrong in regards to how our troops are treated by the majority of the Iraqi people. We need our troops home just like they want their country to be at peace. So I ask, which is worse, a civil war over new-found power, or genocide of Kurds because they don't fall in line? And don't give me the "no proof of WMD" line that I've heard from my liberal friends. Any good hard evidence of WMD was destroyed or moved (or sold) while the UN was jacking around.
And your take on innocent family members being killed...you make it sound like US troops were targeting women and children. Collateral damage is a sad fact of war.
And don't get me started on France. They've had more forms of government in my life time than I've had cars and or girlfriends. (I'm 38 and No man whore) As an agriculturalist I can absolutely tell you the sole country that has exclusive trade agreements on wheat with such countries as Ethiopia...yes France. France is the #1 pain in the ass in doing Ag trade with the EU.
Seriously Vedderman71, do you have any proof that Any good hard evidence of WMD was destroyed or moved (or sold) while the UN was jacking around or are you just always throwing out half-truths hoping your theories might actually stick to the wall?
any chance in you answering this or are you going to just continue to insult people? i've answered all of your questions you''ve asked of me and even provided links
same old, same old. if there is no hard proof then the U.S. must be shit.
Actually brandon10, if you had any well sourced knowledge other than your ignorant brief hash-pipe induced opinions you spew here, one of Eddie's best friends was Johnny Ramone, well known right-wing conservative. Johnny and Ed spent many hours playing Johnny's juke-box of classic rock and discussing not rock 'n roll, but...wait...Politics. (Rolling Stone) And you prove your inability to debate by "quoting" my post and telling me I'm not worth your time, yet while not making any valid points to re-buff my quotes from the known liberal public domain known as NPR.
I was able to get 2nd row @ the Champaign, IL show back in April of '03, just after the band was taking heat for "Bushleager." I had a custom made T-shirt w/ "Bushbacker" on the back and "Conservatives have feelings too" on the front. The girls in the front row ahead of me got Ed's attention during the bridge of "Alive," and we showed him my shirt. Ed got a big smile and gave me a thumbs up.
The point of this whole mess is give a damn, don't stay on the side-lines and criticize others while not having a well found factual point of your own.
He who casts stones in a glass house...
Game on brandon10...and I'm "Wicked Smart" and have shot down much bigger fish than your lame un-founded takes a long time ago. Bring IT!
Seriuosly?? You are comparing yourself to Johnny Ramone?! :roll: I guess that's what "wicked smart" people do? How smart do you have to be to realize you are a complete douchebag? Would that be "crazy smart"? Or "super duper smart"? Or "out of this world smart"? Oh I know...it's "Sarah Palin smart"! That's what you are...."Sarah Palin smart". You should really change your name from Vedderman to Sarah Palin smart.
Oh and hey SarahPalinsmart, I know how Eddie feels about conservitive know it alls like you because I talked with him about it. See that picture on the right? That's Eddie and I. I talked politics with him. And trust me, everything you say here in this thread would disgust him!!!
You are more of an enemy to the United States than a peace loving Persian.
HAHAHA, And what did you have that was so inteligent to say to Eddie....YEAH MAN OBAMA FREAKIN RULES DUDE!
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Under the 8 years of Clinton the U.S. military was gashed with budget cuts yet still was full of waste and was ineffecient in some key areas. I'm sure Rumsfeld was shocked when he looked at the records of the spending habits of the Armed Forces. But it's kinda hard to get leaner after only your second attack on U.S. in 50 years.
America doesn't run, and some how that pisses off most spineless liberals.
Pepe wrote:
"...not to mention how stupid it seems to make seeds that when they mature into plants don't reproduce any seeds.....yeah, let's make our food non-sustainable, makes perfect sense"
Again, I will try to educate you a bit. We COULD keep back soybean seed, but Monsanto's patent laws don't allow that...there in-lies some of the growers distain for them.
But as for corn, hybrid corn yields anywhere from 150-225 bushels per acre. IF we kept back the corn grain as SEED (and it would reproduce) we would see yields drop to 50 bushels per acre. U.S. agriculture could NOT supply the world's demand for protien at the those yield levels.
But I guess Pepe if you want your cost of food to quadripple, we'll regress 60+ years in science.
But until that time, you keep on keepin on, and let the experts, U.S. farmers, continue to provide the World with the SAFEST supply of meat and grain modern man has ever known.
I promise a way to make light...
What's saved could be one last lifetime
what's so alarming about that? we wont be asked to fight every world war anymore, wont be expected to give tons of money for every humanitarian cause ever, all those commie socialists that have you up wetting the bed in terror at night will be gone becos government will collapse, and you can build your own delightful anarchic commune in central indiana full of good, red-blooded, ww2 vet descended, commie-hatin, bible-lovin REAL americans. we all win. let china take a crack at solving the world's problems like we have, see where it gets em.
which one of those locations does not seem to belong...
the best thing about toledo, ohio is that at least it's not indiana
And since re-joining this fine fan club in 2000, I have only recently jumped into this fine message board upon the release of Backspacer.
Since your joining 10C in 2003, your 12,000+ posts show at least you have some form of a hobby...I guess.
And I AM Proud of 2 things:
1. being a Grandson of a WWII vet- if you have problem with that then I'm glad I was Never in a Foxhole w/ your yellow bellied ass.
2. I would rather be from Indiana than "Any where You are..."
Chicago Stadium - Mar 10, 1994; Elliot Hall, Purdue University - Mar 17, 1994; Summerfest - Jul 08, 1995; Soldier Field - Jul 11, 1995; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 26, 1998; Alpine Valley Music Theatre - Jun 27, 1998; United Center - Jun 29, 1998; Riverport Amphitheatre - Jul 02, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 17, 1998; Deer Creek Music Center - Aug 18, 2000; Riverbend Music Center - Aug 20, 2000; Polaris Amphitheatre - Aug 21, 2000; Allstate Arena - Oct 09, 2000; Assembly Hall - Apr 23, 2003; Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Indiana - Jun 22, 2003; US Bank Arena - Jun 24, 2006
I promise a way to make light...
What's saved could be one last lifetime
any chance in you answering this or are you going to just continue to insult people? i've answered all of your questions you''ve asked of me and even provided links
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Seriuosly?? You are comparing yourself to Johnny Ramone?! :roll: I guess that's what "wicked smart" people do? How smart do you have to be to realize you are a complete douchebag? Would that be "crazy smart"? Or "super duper smart"? Or "out of this world smart"? Oh I know...it's "Sarah Palin smart"! That's what you are...."Sarah Palin smart". You should really change your name from Vedderman to Sarah Palin smart.
Oh and hey SarahPalinsmart, I know how Eddie feels about conservitive know it alls like you because I talked with him about it. See that picture on the right? That's Eddie and I. I talked politics with him. And trust me, everything you say here in this thread would disgust him!!!
You are more of an enemy to the United States than a peace loving Persian.
seriously, comparing fandom and listing shows you attended is just juvenile and is usually reserved for fanboys on the porch. listing your shows you have been to is kind of like comparing dick size, but in the end nobody really gives a shit about either of those two things.
if being a grandson of a WW2 vet and being from indiana are the only two things you are proud of then you have not experienced very much.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
is the list of shows supposed to impress me or somehow win the argument for you? shall we measure dick sizes next? :roll:
1. i have no problem with it other than the fact that you seem to think it grants you some sort of superiority over others. both my grandparents served, one in ww2, one in korea. you don't see me bragging about it or using it in some pathetic attempt to lend inferior arguments credibility. and you certainly doing see me telling europeans that they should be slobbin my knob becos of what my daddy's daddy did. you're cheapening the sacrifices that not only they, but also our allies (including the USSR) made by using them as a cheap ego boost, like you deserve a pat on the back for it. i'd also say your comment about the fox hole is pretty damn laughable since by your own admission, YOU sure as hell never served in one. might want to look into that before you start throwing charges of 'yellow.' why didnt you enlist for gulf war 1, since you're generations older than me?
2. my disdain for indiana is a personal grudge and revolves around elliott hall and campus coincidentally. don't be hurt by it. i'm from ohio, which is only tolerable becos i can tell myself at least it isn't indiana
better to be wetting the bed in 94 becos i was still a kid than to be a grown man whining like a baby and living in terror of those bogeyman commies and terrorists (i tried to spell it the way your fav president says it but it doesnt translate to english) still. the cold war is over. your black and white way of seeing the world is dead. the so-called greatest generation is dying and it's high time we stopped acting like we're all that and a bag of chips and started showing some respect for the rest of the world that isn't conditioned upon them kissing YOUR ass for accomplishment made by your GRANDFATHER. the US will not stay on top as long as we keep alienating everyone else in the world.
"greatest generation my ass, Tom Brokaw's a punk"
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
didn't the FDA only approve rBGH AFTER a Monsanto exec and a lawyer for Monsanto stepped down and took positions in the FDA?
or maybe because it's next to impossible to find a transcript of a Fox News show?
i'm willing to bet this will be the only time you accept NPR as a valid news source or anything they say
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
that's clever... i like:)
Americans have a lot to be proud of... why so many unfortunately rave about preaching liberty and freedom to the rest of the world will never cease to amaze me... it should just be accepted, if nothing else, that war is waged, perhaps out of necessity, and that places like Gitmo will follow (and really every country that;s invaded by foreign soldiers is a Gitmo; Gitmo proper just happens to have the benefit of media hype at least)... but saying that that shit's being done in the name of freedom etc is what MOST angers fuckers all over the world... to an extent, leaders of most nations do the same as well as rebel/ Islamic militant groups ... but not to the same, crazy, fucked up degree... it so needs to be realized that war is never something to rave about or be proud of... if those close to you have fought in wars, the last thing to be done is to treat them like fuckin trophies... i've had a very close family member fight in a war against India, and i just pray God has fuckin mercy on him... how people can just tell themselves, apparently quite easily and only too often, that all their respective enemies are in some way "evil" or hardly fuckin human, and that they themselves are not the same, so fuck em up and be proud of it, is beyond me... Sad world we live in
My point about Ed enjoying talking politics is that we all don't have to agree but a discussion and dialog can be good. I used to debate a buddy of mine, but we spin ourselves back to the same basic fundamental diffrences.
One man's mind sharpens another man's like metal to metal, sword to sword...bet none of you even get that refernce and the "Source."
The 2 things I referenced were in "defense" the cheap shot from soulsinging who wrote:
"...central indiana full of good, red-blooded, ww2 vet descended, commie-hatin, bible-lovin REAL americans."
I feel no need to defend Who I Am and What I am to some one who has seen the world 11 years less than I have. My point about the shows I've seen was that I was into Pearl Jam while this guy was 12.
So I HAVE seen plenty...and I ask myself as I write this and I'm thinking, "Why the hell do I give fuck what people I have never met and have NO idea who I am or What I am really like?"
Just like I'm tired of defending who I am, I don't think we need to pander all our critics all over the world.
The U.S. can't be run by a suggestion box or opinion polls like Clinton's did.
Doing the Right Thing is Not always the Popular thing. That's what libs and socialist (same thing these days) do Not seem to have the abilty to wrap their brains around.
Pepe your comment about "The Greatest Generation" makes my skin crawl. If you are living in the U.S., let me offer to buy your plane ticket straight the hell outta here. Your lack of appreciation of sacrifices made by previous generations is exactly what is weakening this Country, day by day, hour by hour. Makes me literally sick in the pit of my stomach.
And one last thing Pepe, leave me to feeding the World, you keep on being Pepe....your ignorance on agriculture shows how far most have grown away from the land that feeds us.
I promise a way to make light...
What's saved could be one last lifetime
Listen SarahPalinsmart, The only one that should be leaving the States is YOU! You are the enemy within the borders. You are the terrorist. You are the one hampering peace and civility in this nation. You are old news. We the peaople have seen your kind for many years. And everyone is starting to realize who the real enemy to freedom and prosperity in America is..........YOU.
and if this post disappears again, i won't be happy. glad we cleared that up.
L to tha AME
ha ha pepe, he pretty much told you to "love it or leave it"...such a simplistic position that is so 2003...
i am pretty sure that soulsinging was joking. was there not a wink after his post?
again your love of pearl jam is irrelevent on the moving train. i saw my first show in 1992 and i am 34. does that make me a better person or a bigger fan? no, not at all. and that does not make me a better debater, do you see my point? fandom has no bearing on this thread or any of the topics that we discuss on the train. like i said earlier, that is reserved for forums like the porch. yes soulsinging is younger than you, but your age does not entitle you to automatic bowing down and automatic respect. you earn respect on this board with reasoned debate, thought provoking posts, reputable links and sources to back your position, and not by being a prick or spouting things like "i am a bigger fan than you"...
you say doing the right thing is not popular. you might have different ethics and morals than i do, but to me and the majority of american the right thing is get out the hell out of the middle east, close gitmo, provide insurance for all americans, and go back to being leaders in this world rather than a clandestine rogue country that will topple your country if we don't like the leader.
lastly, i really doubt that people's lack of appreciation for what our grandparents have done is weakening this country hour by hour, day by day...this can never be proven and is the same thing i heard fat rush say last week. there is no evidence of that. besides weakness and strength in the sense you are referring to is subjective in nature.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
it disappeared????
were through the looking glass people.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I hear ya, I can't get my daughter an H1N1 vaccination but I heard the prisoners at Gitmo are all getting them. Not sure if it's true or not but thats what I heard on the radio.
HAHA....terrorists are coming to a town near you.
President Obama...150 days of experience as JR. Senator....YEAH GO OBAMA, SAVE THE FREAKIN WORLD. Look out if GOV. PALIN wears something people don't like though. Peoples thinking process is totally wacked.
Thank You Vedderman.I am not so good with words and you said it all for me.....I hope the little puke from south of england reads this!!!!!
By the way you talk Johnny I am assuming yyou are not an american and do not live in the u.s......right?
I said that because you had made it clear that those were the only people you considered real americans... those who mindlessly worship all things patriotism out of a belief that our country is Jesus's favorite.
I take it you have no response to my points about the way you exploit your grandfather's achievements for personal ego boosts and ask all Europeans to kiss your ass for what he did?
Also, as to opinion polls... when 95% of those polled say you're an asshole... sure sometimes they're wrong, but sometimes it means you're acting like an asshole.
he talks like a fag hahahahahahaha
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sorry....Idiocracy becomes more prophetic all the time....and I've had the words 'why come' in my head for days, needed to get 'em out.
Are you now going to tell him that his opinions on US foreign policy don't matter if he's not american?
Ive also heard MSNBC (a liberal news station) saying that Obama has dropped more bombs and killed more cicilians in 9.5 months than Bush has in 3 years. People had so much to say when it was Bush's war...where did they all go?
Brandon, you haven't said one intelligent thing on this post yet. Do you have anything of value to say?
Never ceases to amaze me how people make something so important into a fucking schoolyard squabble over whose daddy is tougher.
same old, same old. if there is no hard proof then the U.S. must be shit.
HAHAHA, And what did you have that was so inteligent to say to Eddie....YEAH MAN OBAMA FREAKIN RULES DUDE!