Nominees for the Grammy's are going to be announce next month. I hope they get rock album and rock song at least. that could boost sales.
Baskspacer, the album, is ineligible as it was released after the cutoff for this year's show. The Fixer is eligible as it was released beforehand. Backspacer will be eligible for the Grammy show a year from this January. Just like Robert Plant/Alison Krauss where Gone, Gone, Gone was in the Grammy show 2 years ago, and Raising Sand, the album, was last year.
The same thing happened with U2 two different times. In 2001, "Beautiful Day" won Song of the Year, Record of the Year and Best Rock Duo or Group with Vocal. In 2002, "All That You Can't Leave Behind" (released in October 2000) won Best Rock Album, "Walk On" won Record of the Year, "Elevation" won Best Rock Duo or Group Vocal, and "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" won Best Pop Duo or Group with Vocal.
In 2005, "Vertigo" won Best Rock Song and Best Rock Duo or Group with Vocal. In 2006, "How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb" (released in November 2004) won Album of the Year and Best Rock Album, "Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own" won Song of the Year and Best Rock Duo or Group with Vocal, and "City Of Blinding Lights" won Best Rock Song.
Nominees for the Grammy's are going to be announce next month. I hope they get rock album and rock song at least. that could boost sales.
Baskspacer, the album, is ineligible as it was released after the cutoff for this year's show. The Fixer is eligible as it was released beforehand. Backspacer will be eligible for the Grammy show a year from this January. Just like Robert Plant/Alison Krauss where Gone, Gone, Gone was in the Grammy show 2 years ago, and Raising Sand, the album, was last year.
The same thing happened with U2 two different times. In 2001, "Beautiful Day" won Song of the Year, Record of the Year and Best Rock Duo or Group with Vocal. In 2002, "All That You Can't Leave Behind" (released in October 2000) won Best Rock Album, "Walk On" won Record of the Year, "Elevation" won Best Rock Duo or Group Vocal, and "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" won Best Pop Duo or Group with Vocal.
In 2005, "Vertigo" won Best Rock Song and Best Rock Duo or Group with Vocal. In 2006, "How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb" (released in November 2004) won Album of the Year and Best Rock Album, "Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own" won Song of the Year and Best Rock Duo or Group with Vocal, and "City Of Blinding Lights" won Best Rock Song.
I'm a big U2 fan but how the hell did HTDAAB win album of the year? It had some really good songs on there but also its share of "filler" that I always skipped.
2003: San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Seattle; 2005: Monterrey; 2006: Chicago 1 & 2, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Detroit; 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa; 2009: Austin, LA 3 & 4, San Diego; 2010: Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbus, Indianapolis; 2011: PJ20 1 & 2; 2012: Missoula; 2013: Dallas, Oklahoma City, Seattle; 2014: Tulsa; 2016: Columbia, New York City 1 & 2; 2018: London, Seattle 1 & 2; 2021: Ohana; 2022: Oklahoma City
I'm a big U2 fan but how the hell did HTDAAB win album of the year? It had some really good songs on there but also its share of "filler" that I always skipped.
That album would have deserved to win if it were just "Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own" and 11 blank tracks.
I think it's a great album, but I'll grant you that it's not quite on the level of "All That You Can't Leave Behind."
Anyway, when "Vitalogy" lost out to Alanis Morissette's "Jagged Little Pill," I learned that the Grammys shouldn't be taken too seriously.
I'm a big U2 fan but how the hell did HTDAAB win album of the year? It had some really good songs on there but also its share of "filler" that I always skipped.
That album would have deserved to win if it were just "Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own" and 11 blank tracks.
Maybe I was too harsh. I used to listen to that song over and over when the album came out. Also love origin of the species
2003: San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Seattle; 2005: Monterrey; 2006: Chicago 1 & 2, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Detroit; 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa; 2009: Austin, LA 3 & 4, San Diego; 2010: Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbus, Indianapolis; 2011: PJ20 1 & 2; 2012: Missoula; 2013: Dallas, Oklahoma City, Seattle; 2014: Tulsa; 2016: Columbia, New York City 1 & 2; 2018: London, Seattle 1 & 2; 2021: Ohana; 2022: Oklahoma City
Maybe I was too harsh. I used to listen to that song over and over when the album came out. Also love origin of the species
My second-favorite after "Sometimes You Can't..." would be "Miracle Drug."
I'm having some serious nostalgic thoughts right now. That album came out during a great time of my life. I haven't listened to it in years but thinking about it reminds me of what was going on in my life in 05/06.
2003: San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Seattle; 2005: Monterrey; 2006: Chicago 1 & 2, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Detroit; 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa; 2009: Austin, LA 3 & 4, San Diego; 2010: Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbus, Indianapolis; 2011: PJ20 1 & 2; 2012: Missoula; 2013: Dallas, Oklahoma City, Seattle; 2014: Tulsa; 2016: Columbia, New York City 1 & 2; 2018: London, Seattle 1 & 2; 2021: Ohana; 2022: Oklahoma City
yea i just googled it. aug 31st was the cutoff date. well hopefully the fixer gets recognized. but the chance of Backspacer getting recognized for the 2011 grammys don't look good.
Classic...especially Mike's "Tchhhh!" when Stone mentions Dave! :roll:
Yeah, I wonder if Stone is the only one that got along with him.
2003: San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Seattle; 2005: Monterrey; 2006: Chicago 1 & 2, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Detroit; 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa; 2009: Austin, LA 3 & 4, San Diego; 2010: Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbus, Indianapolis; 2011: PJ20 1 & 2; 2012: Missoula; 2013: Dallas, Oklahoma City, Seattle; 2014: Tulsa; 2016: Columbia, New York City 1 & 2; 2018: London, Seattle 1 & 2; 2021: Ohana; 2022: Oklahoma City
Anybody have Week 8 Backspacer sales info? Where did it come place on the Billboard 200? How many units sold?
I'm guessing it might be in the 60's or 70's. We'll find out tomorrow for sure. And it's hard to find those numbers. Unless you have access to soundscan or someone publishes them.
Backspacer continues its slide! For the Billboard 200 from "the week of November 28th", it comes in at #69. This is its 8th week on the charts, falling from #54 in week 7.
I find it interesting that the new Alice in Chains album, Back Gives Way To Blue, is falling at approximately the same pace. It's been out for 7 weeks. After debuting at #5, it was #47 last week and #64 this week.
Backspacer continues its slide! For the Billboard 200 from "the week of November 28th", it comes in at #69. This is its 8th week on the charts, falling from #54 in week 7.
I find it interesting that the new Alice in Chains album, Back Gives Way To Blue, is falling at approximately the same pace. It's been out for 7 weeks. After debuting at #5, it was #47 last week and #64 this week.
Do you know if itunes purchases are counted in the total ranking? Also, do they do any kind of prorating in cases where people only buy certain songs off of itunes and not the entire album?
2003: San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, Seattle; 2005: Monterrey; 2006: Chicago 1 & 2, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, Detroit; 2008: West Palm Beach, Tampa; 2009: Austin, LA 3 & 4, San Diego; 2010: Kansas City, St. Louis, Columbus, Indianapolis; 2011: PJ20 1 & 2; 2012: Missoula; 2013: Dallas, Oklahoma City, Seattle; 2014: Tulsa; 2016: Columbia, New York City 1 & 2; 2018: London, Seattle 1 & 2; 2021: Ohana; 2022: Oklahoma City
Backspacer continues its slide! For the Billboard 200 from "the week of November 28th", it comes in at #69. This is its 8th week on the charts, falling from #54 in week 7.
I find it interesting that the new Alice in Chains album, Back Gives Way To Blue, is falling at approximately the same pace. It's been out for 7 weeks. After debuting at #5, it was #47 last week and #64 this week.
It's not unusual. That is the typical chart path for rock albums.
Backspacer continues its slide! For the Billboard 200 from "the week of November 28th", it comes in at #69. This is its 8th week on the charts, falling from #54 in week 7.
I find it interesting that the new Alice in Chains album, Back Gives Way To Blue, is falling at approximately the same pace. It's been out for 7 weeks. After debuting at #5, it was #47 last week and #64 this week.
Do you know if itunes purchases are counted in the total ranking? Also, do they do any kind of prorating in cases where people only buy certain songs off of itunes and not the entire album?
Yes, iTunes album purchases count. Purchases of individual tracks do not count toward album sales. They count for the tracks only.
yea i just googled it. aug 31st was the cutoff date. well hopefully the fixer gets recognized. but the chance of Backspacer getting recognized for the 2011 grammys don't look good.
I posted a thread about my feelings about the marketing method PJ took, and I wanted to post on this thread, with similar statements. PJ dropped the ball in promoting the record. Obviously they cant be entirely blamed as its a new landscape now and noone save Trent Reznor or Radiohead seem to have any sense of what to do, but overall, it was a boneheaded move on the part of the band to market or rather not market the record.
Press for , and doing a deal with a major corporation in an economic depression, makes zero sense. In 1991, sure this would have been a way to sell records. Do press with Spin and Rolling Stone, make a deal with Target, but in 2009? Not so much.
The plain and simple fact is, people just dont buy records anymore. Not like they used to. And to combat that, to try and get the money that you would have gotten if downloading didnt exist, you have many options. MY first choice sure as hell wouldnt have been to do what I had been doing the last 15 years, which was do the same old press junket rounds. And I sure as hell wouldnt strike a deal with Target, because Target obviously deals with physical products, albums.
When you get beyond the denial stage many on this board seem to be going through, this idea that, "Oh there are so many people who still buy records", you can deal with the issue in a levelheaded and sane and adult manner. So, people are downloading records these days. And that cuts into a huge chunk of profit. Its unfortuante. But once you admit that, you can say, "ok, so people, hundreds of millions of people now, download instead of buying records, what is the next step, how do we deal with this issue?"
Continuing to hope that people storm record stores for the next big record release, is silly and nonsense. Continuing to believe that you are gonna sell 1 million records your first week is silly. The facts are plain and available to anyone with half a brain.
Ultimately you have to come to grips with the world. Do I feel sorry for bands that are losing profits, because of downloading? Sure. But do I feel sorry for some of the bands who continue to follow the same old way they have always followed, and not change with the times? No I dont feel sorry for them.
It would be tough to move on. I imagine its tough. For their entire careers, bands do things a certain way, and then boom...things change. These bands themselves grew up with CD's and records and LPs as physical products. When these band members were kids you couldnt go on Kazza and you couldnt go to iTunes. You had to go to a record shop. I understand its hard to change that pattern. Its hard to let go of a way of life.
The point remains though: its a self fulfilling prophecy. You dont sell alot of records these days period. But you sure as hell dont sell a ton of records by doing what you always did. The bands that are successful these days, have adapted to the new buisness model, to the online world.
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please list multiple examples of bands that only went to the download world that sold more than around 500k copies which is what i expect backspacer to finish with.
The bands that are successful these days, have adapted to the new buisness model, to the online world.
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please list multiple examples of bands that only went to the download world that sold more than around 500k copies which is what i expect backspacer to finish with.
thank you.
I read an article suggesting that Ed Vedder makes 30K a day and that the band pull in a million bucks per live show. Plus, they now get $5 per unit sold self-releasing compared to $1 before, so 1/2m copies sold now is like 2.5m before profit-wise. I'm not so sure they are "boneheaded"...
1/2 million sold is a good effort for a 20 year old band with 9 albums. Just Breathe should shift a few units too.
In Australia it's number 6 i think after 4 weeks, but not sure how many sales!?
According to ARIA charts Backspacer 9 Weeks at No.1, has gone Platinum which I think is 70000 units and over in Australia and also Rearviewmirror has re-entered the charts due to the tour I guess.
It's actually did well as seeing most people just download records now. I don't know many people that still buy music from stores, almost everyone I tell about new music to check out they just go and download it illegally. The internet has killed the music industry in terms of making money from CD sales. If a band is going to to make it the better be able to pull people into their concerts and get people to buy merch.
Also isn't the Itunes downloads on another chart? I don't think they count in regular CD sales. But over 300,000 in just a couple of months is really good. If this was 2001 when people still bought CDs that would be over a million sales easy. Also some towns don't have Target stores and there are still people without internet access as well so they would not be able to purchase the CD as easy.
Let's look at it this way. Let's say its 340,238 like in the other post. Stone remarked that by selling it under the new arrangement, the band gets $5 per copy whereas in the past, it was about $1.50. If you take 340,238 and multiply it by $5, you get just over $1.7 million. Now if you take that $1.7 million and divide it by $1.50, you get 1,134,000. That 1,134,000 is the number of units they would have had to sell under the old arrangements in order to get the same $1.7 million. I think they wisely adapted to a totally different music industry where less qualtity is sold. They wisely upped the rate per unit.
The band's take is not contingent on retail sales, as I understand it. It has been reported that Target bought a million copies wholesale at $5.00 per copy, so the band made $5 million off the record. Target keeps whatever it gets from retail sales. For Target to break even, it needs to sell approximately 417,000 copies at $11.98 per copy. Since the 340,000 in sales includes units purchased directly from the Ten Club, as well as copies sold at independent record stores and on iTunes, it seems like Target is likely to lose money on the deal. Having said that, Target probably viewed the record as a loss leader (i.e., people come to buy the record and end up buying other stuff that they wouldn't have bought at Target otherwise-- everyone who went to Target to buy the CD and said, oh, while I'm here, I need toothpaste or garbage bags or any of the 100,000 other things Target sells). It's the same reason why Best Buy (when it sold CDs) and Wal-Mart deep discount new releases ($17.98 wholesale/$11.98 retail). They want to get you into the store in the hopes that you'll keep shopping while you're there.
Does your Best Buy no longer sell CD's? The one here does and every other one I have been to sells CDs. Hell the one here even has some vinyl it sells.
It's actually did well as seeing most people just download records now. I don't know many people that still buy music from stores, almost everyone I tell about new music to check out they just go and download it illegally. The internet has killed the music industry in terms of making money from CD sales. If a band is going to to make it the better be able to pull people into their concerts and get people to buy merch.
Also isn't the Itunes downloads on another chart? I don't think they count in regular CD sales. But over 300,000 in just a couple of months is really good. If this was 2001 when people still bought CDs that would be over a million sales easy. Also some towns don't have Target stores and there are still people without internet access as well so they would not be able to purchase the CD as easy.
I believe they count itunes and other mp3 downloads in the top 200 chart.
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The same thing happened with U2 two different times. In 2001, "Beautiful Day" won Song of the Year, Record of the Year and Best Rock Duo or Group with Vocal. In 2002, "All That You Can't Leave Behind" (released in October 2000) won Best Rock Album, "Walk On" won Record of the Year, "Elevation" won Best Rock Duo or Group Vocal, and "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of" won Best Pop Duo or Group with Vocal.
In 2005, "Vertigo" won Best Rock Song and Best Rock Duo or Group with Vocal. In 2006, "How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb" (released in November 2004) won Album of the Year and Best Rock Album, "Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own" won Song of the Year and Best Rock Duo or Group with Vocal, and "City Of Blinding Lights" won Best Rock Song.
I'm a big U2 fan but how the hell did HTDAAB win album of the year? It had some really good songs on there but also its share of "filler" that I always skipped.
That album would have deserved to win if it were just "Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own" and 11 blank tracks.
I think it's a great album, but I'll grant you that it's not quite on the level of "All That You Can't Leave Behind."
Anyway, when "Vitalogy" lost out to Alanis Morissette's "Jagged Little Pill," I learned that the Grammys shouldn't be taken too seriously.
Maybe I was too harsh. I used to listen to that song over and over when the album came out. Also love origin of the species
My second-favorite after "Sometimes You Can't..." would be "Miracle Drug."
I'm having some serious nostalgic thoughts right now.
I suggest we all do this. Buy a few copies to give as gifts.
what's the black friday thing?
the day after thanksgiving is black friday.
Backspacer on sale at Target for $6.50
Yeah, I wonder if Stone is the only one that got along with him.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
I'm guessing it might be in the 60's or 70's. We'll find out tomorrow for sure. And it's hard to find those numbers. Unless you have access to soundscan or someone publishes them.
I find it interesting that the new Alice in Chains album, Back Gives Way To Blue, is falling at approximately the same pace. It's been out for 7 weeks. After debuting at #5, it was #47 last week and #64 this week.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
Do you know if itunes purchases are counted in the total ranking? Also, do they do any kind of prorating in cases where people only buy certain songs off of itunes and not the entire album?
It's not unusual. That is the typical chart path for rock albums.
Yes, iTunes album purchases count. Purchases of individual tracks do not count toward album sales. They count for the tracks only.
Australie: Platinum
New Zealand: Gold
Italy: Gold
Portugal: Gold
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
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please list multiple examples of bands that only went to the download world that sold more than around 500k copies which is what i expect backspacer to finish with.
thank you.
I read an article suggesting that Ed Vedder makes 30K a day and that the band pull in a million bucks per live show. Plus, they now get $5 per unit sold self-releasing compared to $1 before, so 1/2m copies sold now is like 2.5m before profit-wise. I'm not so sure they are "boneheaded"...
1/2 million sold is a good effort for a 20 year old band with 9 albums. Just Breathe should shift a few units too.
Also isn't the Itunes downloads on another chart? I don't think they count in regular CD sales. But over 300,000 in just a couple of months is really good. If this was 2001 when people still bought CDs that would be over a million sales easy. Also some towns don't have Target stores and there are still people without internet access as well so they would not be able to purchase the CD as easy.
Does your Best Buy no longer sell CD's? The one here does and every other one I have been to sells CDs. Hell the one here even has some vinyl it sells.
I believe they count itunes and other mp3 downloads in the top 200 chart.
not a bad paycheck imo
success is relative