Traveled from the South to catch both of the Seattle shows. I was more depressed about how many seats in the "Have's" section goes empty during the opening acts versus how active they are during PJ's set. It is kinda tough to rock it out in your 12" x12" space you have with seats on the floor.
It has to do with the fact that those people have been upfront before and will be there again.
Most likely they were in roughly the same seats for the past three nights.
Also, I guarantee 90% of those people are over the age of 35 (nothing wrong with that but people tend to rock less the older the get, not all obviously).
Great strategy to sell tickets, bad for crowd energy.
dont know about the 35 thing, but it looks like it was the upfront crowd from Chicago night I
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funny how everyone blames chairs. :roll:
every pj GA show i have been to - both in the US and europe were the same - could barely move! have a LOT more space to rock out as you please with seats. thing is, there IS space...and thus it doesn't appear as frenzied. when people are crushed up together, you bet....it is more rockin' in the sense that...you are all moving together. looking at the crowd in verona, a seated euro gig, looked eerily similar to most shows in the US. people rockin' out, but with space and in their own way.
anyhoo, i agree with whatever poster above who mentions, wtf is the obsession here with 'rating' crowds involvement? i will never understand. who cares? seems to me pj put on some KILLER shows for the LA crowds, so they didn't seem to mind. perhaps being ON the stage, they have a better perspective of the fan's reactions, can fully see their enjoyment. yes, that vid, the little i watched....crowd is subdued somewhat, but i DO see quite a few people pogoing up and down, and i see a LOT of people swaying, etc. not everyone needs to jump up and down. leave people to their own enjoyment. the only thing lame is telling others for actually having the nerve to enjoy a show in their own way.
carry on........
where the heck do you see shows? i've been trapped in drain pipes with more room to move than the floor at your average US arena show. at least for GA if you want the extra space, you can move back a bit. you don't HAVE to cram up to the front. and even if you have a little less "space" up front, there's a buzz that that many peopel getting frenzied in unison adds to a show that a bunch of people off in their own little 12x12 inch boxes in seats simply cannot match.
lollapalooza was the most exciting PJ show i've seen for this reason.
well, seems to me the OP and this thread in general ARE discussing the seats upfront, since that is what you can see in the video...so i am comparing upfront to upfront. so if i am upfront at a pj GA show, i can barely move. yes, it is fun....but i am merely pointing out why it may appear they are 'rockin' out' more. people moving in unison, crushed together, look a lot more rockin' than the very same indiividuals rockin' out, even in the same way...with space between em. that is all.
as to 'adding to a show'...i think that is personal perspective. i personally think looking out at the crowd say at an MSG show is just as fantastic as looking out at the crowd at a milan GA show. and every time the whole GA vs. seating comes up, i never actually make a choice. i like BOTH, for different reasons. i don't think one is 100% better than the other, they both have pros/cons. all i was focusing on is people can have just as great a time, and rock out as they wish at a seated gig. nothing more, nothing less.
to THIS particular show, again, sure...the crowd looks rather subdued overall, and i ask....so what? there ARe people pogoing, there are people obviously *into* the music w/o being nuts about it. the band put on KILLER shows for all 4 LA gigs, so maybe, just maybe....they too can appreciate fans getting into their shows/feeling the energy...in different ways. it's just too bad that for whatever reason HERE, there are some who feel the need to *rate* how people choose to enjoy themselves.
It has to do with the fact that those people have been upfront before and will be there again.
Most likely they were in roughly the same seats for the past three nights.
Also, I guarantee 90% of those people are over the age of 35 (nothing wrong with that but people tend to rock less the older the get, not all obviously).
Great strategy to sell tickets, bad for crowd energy.
I'm 40 and thank you for not lumping all of us older people into the non-rocker category.
I move at every show, leaving soaked. Probably b/c thanks to ultra running I have more energy today than I did at 20.
If I win the lottery on 10/27 you will notice me as the 6-4 old man moving!
For one I do not care what people think. I bought the ticket, I will experience the show any way I want. Why do people waste so much time and energy worrying what people around them are doing and not doing? If people want to sit down or not move, who cares? It is your fault for playing more attention to the people around you than the band on the stage. Personally I would rather watch a band rock the fuck out than pay attention to everyone around me, but it is your money and time...spend it how you want.
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That's what happens when the ten club keeps giving the same great seats to the same 400 assholes every show!
how do you figure that?
rows 1, 2, 9 and 10 are random lottery...so should be LOTs of new faces in there....and even amongst the other upclose seats, do you really believe the SAME people travel to all shows? cmon, i know a lot of people do....but it certainly isn't everyone, there are always a mix of people. cmon people....little perspective.
btw - then you could say the same for euro shows....b/c they all travel too, and many of the 'same' people queue to be upfront, etc.
That's what happens when the ten club keeps giving the same great seats to the same 400 assholes every show!
how do you figure that?
rows 1, 2, 9 and 10 are random lottery...so should be LOTs of new faces in there....and even amongst the other upclose seats, do you really believe the SAME people travel to all shows? cmon, i know a lot of people do....but it certainly isn't everyone, there are always a mix of people. cmon people....little perspective.
btw - then you could say the same for euro shows....b/c they all travel too, and many of the 'same' people queue to be upfront, etc.
Also, you could only buy fan club tix to one show in LA so the people upfront for the most part had to be different every night.
That's what happens when the ten club keeps giving the same great seats to the same 400 assholes every show!
how do you figure that?
rows 1, 2, 9 and 10 are random lottery...so should be LOTs of new faces in there....and even amongst the other upclose seats, do you really believe the SAME people travel to all shows? cmon, i know a lot of people do....but it certainly isn't everyone, there are always a mix of people. cmon people....little perspective.
btw - then you could say the same for euro shows....b/c they all travel too, and many of the 'same' people queue to be upfront, etc.
Also, you could only buy fan club tix to one show in LA so the people upfront for the most part had to be different every night.
ah yes, forgot about that!
so absolutely....definitely more mixed crowds then.
i have found in my travels that the few shows i have seen on the west coast/western canada, are more 'subdued' than shows i have seen on the east coast and in europe, overall. maybe people are simply more chill out there? wtf is wrong with that?
this is fascinating...so one song, a new one btw, is concrete proof that the crowd sucked? and you surmised this from watching a crappy video on youtube? so you weren't there but because you are an immature dolt you've decided the crowd sucks?
this is fascinating...so one song, a new one btw, is concrete proof that the crowd sucked? and you surmised this from watching a crappy video on youtube? so you weren't there but because you are an immature dolt you've decided the crowd sucks?
i guess everyone gets something different out of a show. for my experience, the crowd makes a big difference. usually because i like to rock the fuck out and if i'm the only one doing it in my section, i feel like i'm intruding on those who are just chilling and enjoying it, since they have a right to do that too. i've been to plenty of shows where i start rocking and the people next to me leave, which is fine. but there's also something to be sad about bonding with a complete stranger over seeing who can rock harder during the show. so if the whole crowd is going off, it maximizes the whole experience. not to mention that for sure the band feeds off the crowd. if you don't believe that, then you haven't seen an east coast, european or south american show. listen to any boot from the 2005 south american tour and listen to the crowd. the band definitely gets as much as they give and any live performer says the same. go to a philly or boston show and then go to an LA show, it is two different universes. i'm not saying it's good or bad, just saying there is a difference, the band does give a shit, and for some people who want to rock, people standing around just diminishes the experiences. why do you think the band plays on the east coast so much, because they like the weather? i was shocked to see them announce 4 shows in LA. historically, west coast crowds are snoozers. it makes a difference
i guess everyone gets something different out of a show. for my experience, the crowd makes a big difference. usually because i like to rock the fuck out and if i'm the only one doing it in my section, i feel like i'm intruding on those who are just chilling and enjoying it, since they have a right to do that too. i've been to plenty of shows where i start rocking and the people next to me leave, which is fine. but there's also something to be sad about bonding with a complete stranger over seeing who can rock harder during the show. so if the whole crowd is going off, it maximizes the whole experience. not to mention that for sure the band feeds off the crowd. if you don't believe that, then you haven't seen an east coast, european or south american show. listen to any boot from the 2005 south american tour and listen to the crowd. the band definitely gets as much as they give and any live performer says the same. go to a philly or boston show and then go to an LA show, it is two different universes. i'm not saying it's good or bad, just saying there is a difference, the band does give a shit, and for some people who want to rock, people standing around just diminishes the experiences. why do you think the band plays on the east coast so much, because they like the weather? i was shocked to see them announce 4 shows in LA. historically, west coast crowds are snoozers. it makes a difference
i get what you're saying and agree...to a certain extent. i agree they feed off the crowd, etc....and sure, from my personal experience west coast is more chill. however, WHy do pj play the east coast so damn much? you think it's for the crow'ds energy? sorry, to be blunt about it...it's for the crowd's MONEY, pure and simple. sure, they enjoy the energy, and they enjoy that definitely too in europe, SA and i am sure even on the west coast, the south...wherever they find it. however, while sure they do a LOT to reward fans they are going where the $$$ is. i think it's pretty clear that the east coast more than likely has the highest concentration of pj fans, a rabid fanbase lives here, in close proximity. makes it a money-making goldmine for band's with a strong fanbase here. that's it. honestly, i have oftentimes gotten the impression that ed doesn't care for us NYers all that much. :oops: sure, some of it is humor/stereotypes, but yes, i really don't think the east coast is where ANY of their hearts lie. however, their livelihood is based greatly here, and you bet....who wouldn't enjoy that energy? so the west coast may be more chill (and maybe not)...but i think the fact that they played 4 shows in LA shows that 1. thy knew they could make the $$$ there (especially in a smaller venue - you lucky fuckers) 2. they want to reward ALL their fans, even the chill ones...or even those who live in some areas not so chock-full of fans as the east coast...but still enough to balance making $$$/rewarding fans. also maybe why they headed south for a few not too long ago. just sayin'.
Interesting... Try this... Get your hands on 3 Year 2000 bootlegs. Boise 2000, Seattle 1 2000 and Seattle 2 2000.
Boise had an incredible raucus crowd. Seattle 1's crowd was like the band was playing to roadkill. They didn't wake up until Crown of Thorns. Seattle 2's crowd was much better but not as good as Boise. It is an interesting study to see the comments Ed made, and how the performances differed. I'm not going to comment on the LA crowds. What I am saying is that I believe the crowd does have an impact on the band.
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i guess everyone gets something different out of a show. for my experience, the crowd makes a big difference. usually because i like to rock the fuck out and if i'm the only one doing it in my section, i feel like i'm intruding on those who are just chilling and enjoying it, since they have a right to do that too. i've been to plenty of shows where i start rocking and the people next to me leave, which is fine. but there's also something to be sad about bonding with a complete stranger over seeing who can rock harder during the show. so if the whole crowd is going off, it maximizes the whole experience. not to mention that for sure the band feeds off the crowd. if you don't believe that, then you haven't seen an east coast, european or south american show. listen to any boot from the 2005 south american tour and listen to the crowd. the band definitely gets as much as they give and any live performer says the same. go to a philly or boston show and then go to an LA show, it is two different universes. i'm not saying it's good or bad, just saying there is a difference, the band does give a shit, and for some people who want to rock, people standing around just diminishes the experiences. why do you think the band plays on the east coast so much, because they like the weather? i was shocked to see them announce 4 shows in LA. historically, west coast crowds are snoozers. it makes a difference[/quote
i get what you're saying and agree...to a certain extent. i agree they feed off the crowd, etc....and sure, from my personal experience west coast is more chill. however, WHy do pj play the east coast so damn much? you think it's for the crow'ds energy? sorry, to be blunt about it...it's for the crowd's MONEY, pure and simple. sure, they enjoy the energy, and they enjoy that definitely too in europe, SA and i am sure even on the west coast, the south...wherever they find it. however, while sure they do a LOT to reward fans they are going where the $$$ is. i think it's pretty clear that the east coast more than likely has the highest concentration of pj fans, a rabid fanbase lives here, in close proximity. makes it a money-making goldmine for band's with a strong fanbase here. that's it. honestly, i have oftentimes gotten the impression that ed doesn't care for us NYers all that much. :oops: sure, some of it is humor/stereotypes, but yes, i really don't think the east coast is where ANY of their hearts lie. however, their livelihood is based greatly here, and you bet....who wouldn't enjoy that energy? so the west coast may be more chill (and maybe not)...but i think the fact that they played 4 shows in LA shows that 1. thy knew they could make the $$$ there (especially in a smaller venue - you lucky fuckers) 2. they want to reward ALL their fans, even the chill ones...or even those who live in some areas not so chock-full of fans as the east coast...but still enough to balance making $$$/rewarding fans. also maybe why they headed south for a few not too long ago. just sayin'.
yes, you are right about that. guess that is the business motivation. i still think they ENJOY playing the east coast more. if they made all their money in texas, i don't think they'd play there as often as they play the east coast, but i get what you are saying. i never got the impression that they didn't like new yorkers, philadelphians, or bostonians. ed's from chicago and has that dry smug sarcasm thing working, so i think he fits right in. plus, he likes sports.
If you need a particular reaction from the crowd to enjoy a show I feel sorry for you.
me? I go to WATCH the band. That is the way I ENJOY the show.
There's always some spaz that that's jumping around getting in peoples faces as if to say "Look at how much fun I am having! I am having way more fun than you! Aren't you jealous as to how much fun I am having?"
yes, you are right about that. guess that is the business motivation. i still think they ENJOY playing the east coast more. if they made all their money in texas, i don't think they'd play there as often as they play the east coast, but i get what you are saying. i never got the impression that they didn't like new yorkers, philadelphians, or bostonians. ed's from chicago and has that dry smug sarcasm thing working, so i think he fits right in. plus, he likes sports.
oh he does...but after a time, you kinda believe it.
he may be from chicago, but i believe his heart belongs in hawaii, and second place....west coast. he can live wherever he wants in the world, so can they all...and they all choose to at least live part of their time in....seattle. i've never read/heard of any of em having 2nd or 3rd homes anywhere in NY, boston, philly....except of course their homes in our stadiums. as to ENJOYment, again..i don't think you or i or anyone can accurately make that assessment. i can enjoy a great many things, i am sure they can too. and i say again, just LOOK at the setlists in LA. i think that says enough right there. bottomline, i just don't understand why fans have to try and rank on other fans, seems far more devisive, not about community. just my 2 cents there.
maybe this is what happens when you play the same city 4 nights in a row instead of playing multiple smaller cities where people might give a shit. oh and seniority sucks!
all true. i'm from the east coast and would rather live in hawaii too. i wasn't attempting to rank fans, simply commenting that i think it does affect the band, and it's a part of the concert experience that i care about. it makes a difference to me. not everyone wants the same experience i do, and that is a-ok.
maybe this is what happens when you play the same city 4 nights in a row instead of playing multiple smaller cities where people might give a shit. oh and seniority sucks!
or maybe this just happens when those of us are NOT at the show, wishing we were...but are stuck in our cubes at work. a way to pass the time? otherwise, i think some of you are just meanies.... share the love!
all true. i'm from the east coast and would rather live in hawaii too. i wasn't attempting to rank fans, simply commenting that i think it does affect the band, and it's a part of the concert experience that i care about. it makes a difference to me. not everyone wants the same experience i do, and that is a-ok.
agreed.
tho if i had ed's kinda $$$...i'd STILL keep a place in NYC. that's all.
and hey, i wasn't saying *you* were ranking fans, just these types of threads. i agree, energy Is important. but even there, there is all kindsa energy that the band can feed off, and i think norm spoke well about it. judging a crowd on ONE song, from one pov (not from the stage either) especially a new song, when you weren't even there.....what's the point? how does this *prove* a crowd sucks? it doesn't.
maybe this is what happens when you play the same city 4 nights in a row instead of playing multiple smaller cities where people might give a shit. oh and seniority sucks!
of course not! you can tell because when i go to a show i act like i want to be there.
the crowd sucked, but damn the song sounded AWESOME! That's the first time I've heard Gonna See My Friend live and I am very impressed. Great video/sound quality. I can't wait to hear it!
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Everyone looks like they are at a jack johnson concert n have smoked one 2 many reefers... Fuck people this song rocks!!!!!!!! Show some fucking spirit and get into it... Shame on you all..!!!!!!!!!!!!!
that crowd was near death, man they should have put some coffee out for those guys the only ones who seem like they're into to the whole thing is PJ. that's a rare sight to see ( the dead crowd ). man that just blows me away, poor guys to have to play to that.
It has to do with the fact that those people have been upfront before and will be there again.
Most likely they were in roughly the same seats for the past three nights.
Also, I guarantee 90% of those people are over the age of 35 (nothing wrong with that but people tend to rock less the older the get, not all obviously).
Great strategy to sell tickets, bad for crowd energy.
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That show was my first concert ever, and I was in the second row! The overall crowd may not have been pumped, but I sure as hell was.
And there wasn't much reefer around the pit on Wednesday, either.
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dont know about the 35 thing, but it looks like it was the upfront crowd from Chicago night I
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well, seems to me the OP and this thread in general ARE discussing the seats upfront, since that is what you can see in the video...so i am comparing upfront to upfront. so if i am upfront at a pj GA show, i can barely move. yes, it is fun....but i am merely pointing out why it may appear they are 'rockin' out' more. people moving in unison, crushed together, look a lot more rockin' than the very same indiividuals rockin' out, even in the same way...with space between em. that is all.
as to 'adding to a show'...i think that is personal perspective. i personally think looking out at the crowd say at an MSG show is just as fantastic as looking out at the crowd at a milan GA show. and every time the whole GA vs. seating comes up, i never actually make a choice. i like BOTH, for different reasons. i don't think one is 100% better than the other, they both have pros/cons. all i was focusing on is people can have just as great a time, and rock out as they wish at a seated gig. nothing more, nothing less.
to THIS particular show, again, sure...the crowd looks rather subdued overall, and i ask....so what? there ARe people pogoing, there are people obviously *into* the music w/o being nuts about it. the band put on KILLER shows for all 4 LA gigs, so maybe, just maybe....they too can appreciate fans getting into their shows/feeling the energy...in different ways. it's just too bad that for whatever reason HERE, there are some who feel the need to *rate* how people choose to enjoy themselves.
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how do you figure that?
rows 1, 2, 9 and 10 are random lottery...so should be LOTs of new faces in there....and even amongst the other upclose seats, do you really believe the SAME people travel to all shows? cmon, i know a lot of people do....but it certainly isn't everyone, there are always a mix of people. cmon people....little perspective.
btw - then you could say the same for euro shows....b/c they all travel too, and many of the 'same' people queue to be upfront, etc.
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Also, you could only buy fan club tix to one show in LA so the people upfront for the most part had to be different every night.
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ah yes, forgot about that!
so absolutely....definitely more mixed crowds then.
i have found in my travels that the few shows i have seen on the west coast/western canada, are more 'subdued' than shows i have seen on the east coast and in europe, overall. maybe people are simply more chill out there? wtf is wrong with that?
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i get what you're saying and agree...to a certain extent. i agree they feed off the crowd, etc....and sure, from my personal experience west coast is more chill. however, WHy do pj play the east coast so damn much? you think it's for the crow'ds energy? sorry, to be blunt about it...it's for the crowd's MONEY, pure and simple. sure, they enjoy the energy, and they enjoy that definitely too in europe, SA and i am sure even on the west coast, the south...wherever they find it. however, while sure they do a LOT to reward fans they are going where the $$$ is. i think it's pretty clear that the east coast more than likely has the highest concentration of pj fans, a rabid fanbase lives here, in close proximity. makes it a money-making goldmine for band's with a strong fanbase here. that's it. honestly, i have oftentimes gotten the impression that ed doesn't care for us NYers all that much. :oops: sure, some of it is humor/stereotypes, but yes, i really don't think the east coast is where ANY of their hearts lie. however, their livelihood is based greatly here, and you bet....who wouldn't enjoy that energy? so the west coast may be more chill (and maybe not)...but i think the fact that they played 4 shows in LA shows that 1. thy knew they could make the $$$ there (especially in a smaller venue - you lucky fuckers) 2. they want to reward ALL their fans, even the chill ones...or even those who live in some areas not so chock-full of fans as the east coast...but still enough to balance making $$$/rewarding fans. also maybe why they headed south for a few not too long ago. just sayin'.
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Boise had an incredible raucus crowd. Seattle 1's crowd was like the band was playing to roadkill. They didn't wake up until Crown of Thorns. Seattle 2's crowd was much better but not as good as Boise. It is an interesting study to see the comments Ed made, and how the performances differed. I'm not going to comment on the LA crowds. What I am saying is that I believe the crowd does have an impact on the band.
yes, you are right about that. guess that is the business motivation. i still think they ENJOY playing the east coast more. if they made all their money in texas, i don't think they'd play there as often as they play the east coast, but i get what you are saying. i never got the impression that they didn't like new yorkers, philadelphians, or bostonians. ed's from chicago and has that dry smug sarcasm thing working, so i think he fits right in. plus, he likes sports.
me? I go to WATCH the band. That is the way I ENJOY the show.
There's always some spaz that that's jumping around getting in peoples faces as if to say "Look at how much fun I am having! I am having way more fun than you! Aren't you jealous as to how much fun I am having?"
good for you, now piss off!!
oh he does...but after a time, you kinda believe it.
he may be from chicago, but i believe his heart belongs in hawaii, and second place....west coast. he can live wherever he wants in the world, so can they all...and they all choose to at least live part of their time in....seattle. i've never read/heard of any of em having 2nd or 3rd homes anywhere in NY, boston, philly....except of course their homes in our stadiums.
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agreed.
tho if i had ed's kinda $$$...i'd STILL keep a place in NYC. that's all.
and hey, i wasn't saying *you* were ranking fans, just these types of threads. i agree, energy Is important. but even there, there is all kindsa energy that the band can feed off, and i think norm spoke well about it. judging a crowd on ONE song, from one pov (not from the stage either) especially a new song, when you weren't even there.....what's the point? how does this *prove* a crowd sucks? it doesn't.
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that crowd was pretty bad, all said.
I'm 18. I've never done drugs.
That show was my first concert ever, and I was in the second row! The overall crowd may not have been pumped, but I sure as hell was.
And there wasn't much reefer around the pit on Wednesday, either.
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pay attention...even i knew there was only 1 10c show u cud pick out of the 3 LA shows
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