lets say he did...I'd be willing to bet anything that we would have heard:
"oh the arrogance, how dare he turn down something like this"
"turning it down was a slap in the face to Nobel Peace Prize Committee and the world"
"you see, I know Obama hated peace"
"he's antichrist"
did you read cate's post?
it was not an arrogant statement at all. if anything, it would point to intelligence and humility. the fact that the nominations for this award had to be submitted, what....2 weeks after he was elected, i am sorry but....wtf? TWO WEEKS as president, and he's changing the world? he may well, and his election did indeed send a message to the world that america does want change, etc.....but even as a supporter, i too most heartily agree it is too much, too soon. it certainly wouldn't be a slap in the face, if anything, i think he would be even more lauded for it. he does NOT deserve it.....at least not yet. i read all the 'whys' of his nomination and winning....and yet....he has not truly 'done' anything yet. being elected alone, full of great ideas, just not enough. i think it's ridiculous he even got nominated in the first place. i think obama may well do great things for this country, but i think he most definitely is being over-hyped.
it's funny to hear the members of the committee speaking now ... apparently 3 of the 5 members did not want to give it to him but they supported the will of 2 of the members ... hearing that this committee is appointed by the norweigian gov't and that they are representative of political parties makes it even less relevant ...
lets say he did...I'd be willing to bet anything that we would have heard:
"oh the arrogance, how dare he turn down something like this"
"turning it down was a slap in the face to Nobel Peace Prize Committee and the world"
"you see, I know Obama hated peace"
"he's antichrist"
did you read cate's post?
it was not an arrogant statement at all. if anything, it would point to intelligence and humility. the fact that the nominations for this award had to be submitted, what....2 weeks after he was elected, i am sorry but....wtf? TWO WEEKS as president, and he's changing the world? he may well, and his election did indeed send a message to the world that america does want change, etc.....but even as a supporter, i too most heartily agree it is too much, too soon. it certainly wouldn't be a slap in the face, if anything, i think he would be even more lauded for it. he does NOT deserve it.....at least not yet. i read all the 'whys' of his nomination and winning....and yet....he has not truly 'done' anything yet. being elected alone, full of great ideas, just not enough. i think it's ridiculous he even got nominated in the first place. i think obama may well do great things for this country, but i think he most definitely is being over-hyped.
yeah, I read it the post...
and yeah, all you're points have been raised over and over and over...
my point is that if he did turn it down, just as many would be second guessing, dissecting, and complaining...
to be honest, the response to his being awarded the prize is quite amusing...
lets say he did...I'd be willing to bet anything that we would have heard:
"oh the arrogance, how dare he turn down something like this"
"turning it down was a slap in the face to Nobel Peace Prize Committee and the world"
"you see, I know Obama hated peace"
"he's antichrist"
did you read cate's post?
it was not an arrogant statement at all. if anything, it would point to intelligence and humility. the fact that the nominations for this award had to be submitted, what....2 weeks after he was elected, i am sorry but....wtf? TWO WEEKS as president, and he's changing the world? he may well, and his election did indeed send a message to the world that america does want change, etc.....but even as a supporter, i too most heartily agree it is too much, too soon. it certainly wouldn't be a slap in the face, if anything, i think he would be even more lauded for it. he does NOT deserve it.....at least not yet. i read all the 'whys' of his nomination and winning....and yet....he has not truly 'done' anything yet. being elected alone, full of great ideas, just not enough. i think it's ridiculous he even got nominated in the first place. i think obama may well do great things for this country, but i think he most definitely is being over-hyped.
I think it's incredibly naive to think the right wouldn't crucify him if he turned this down. He wouldn't be lauded for it, they'd have his head on a platter. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. They're just bitter that he was ever elected and nothing he says or does in office is going to change it. It's like Clinton times ten. He handled it the only way he could have.
Are you serious ? Do you really want to go down this road again? Ok fine... :roll: Yes you are right there were some isolated cases where some interrogators went to far. But no one was ever raped or executed. and Castro, Chevez, kim jung ill have been doing this shit for decades to people just for speaking out against there government.
You said you opposed the Iraq War and Saddam was just as bad as these guys. What do you suggest be done about these leaders and countries? Invade, kill them, remove them, and install someone else? What could Obama be doing right now about these places that he hasn't?
Also, no one raped in American prisons? We rape our OWN citizens in these places, and then tell them to keep quiet about it:
I think it's incredibly naive to think the right wouldn't crucify him if he turned this down. He wouldn't be lauded for it, they'd have his head on a platter. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. They're just bitter that he was ever elected and nothing he says or does in office is going to change it. It's like Clinton times ten. He handled it the only way he could have.
For me at least the criticism isn't being hurled at Obama, but the idiots that awarded him the awards after 10 days in office.
I do agree that if he turned it down the right would find a way to criticize him for it, even though I think it would have been a great message for him to send. But that's a tough position to be in.
I think it's incredibly naive to think the right wouldn't crucify him if he turned this down. He wouldn't be lauded for it, they'd have his head on a platter. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. They're just bitter that he was ever elected and nothing he says or does in office is going to change it. It's like Clinton times ten. He handled it the only way he could have.
For me at least the criticism isn't being hurled at Obama, but the idiots that awarded him the awards after 10 days in office.
I do agree that if he turned it down the right would find a way to criticize him for it, even though I think it would have been a great message for him to send. But that's a tough position to be in.
Which is why I don't envy him. It put him in a very awkward position and he handled it the best he could have. It was a bonehead call by the Nobel committee, but there isn't a damn thing he can do about it. Has anyone ever declined a Nobel prize? What would they have done to Obama if he had? I can just see the cries from Fox about him thinking he's too good for the Nobel...
Which is why I don't envy him. It put him in a very awkward position and he handled it the best he could have. It was a bonehead call by the Nobel committee, but there isn't a damn thing he can do about it. Has anyone ever declined a Nobel prize? What would they have done to Obama if he had? I can just see the cries from Fox about him thinking he's too good for the Nobel...
This award was clearly based on wishful thinking.
True he might have been criticized for it but isn't Fox already criticizing him day in day out? So it wouldn't have changed much with regards to Fox or all the other right-wingers. What it would have changed was that the majority of the world would have respected him. I'd say his support around the globe would have gone crazy if he declined the award. And you don't have to come out saying "oh I dont deserve it". There are better ways of dealing with it. Like for example "At this point in time I do not believe I have done enough to warrant a Nobel peace prize but I do hope in the future after my actions around the globe have taken effect, people may feel once again that I am deserving of such an honour, therefore I respectfully decline". and I'm sure Obama has speech writers that can do much better than what I have done in 1 minute.
Personally, I don't like Obama as I see him to be more dangerous than Bush in the sense that we knew Bush was a crazy motherfucker while Obama gives people some hope only to snatch it away. Support against the wars was huge when Bush was around because everyone hated him. Now that Obama sugarcoats it people stomach it better.
and yeah, all you're points have been raised over and over and over...
my point is that if he did turn it down, just as many would be second guessing, dissecting, and complaining...
to be honest, the response to his being awarded the prize is quite amusing...
not nearly as amusing as him actually being awarded the damn thing.
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and yeah, all you're points have been raised over and over and over...
my point is that if he did turn it down, just as many would be second guessing, dissecting, and complaining...
to be honest, the response to his being awarded the prize is quite amusing...
not nearly as amusing as him actually being awarded the damn thing.
and yeah, all you're points have been raised over and over and over...
my point is that if he did turn it down, just as many would be second guessing, dissecting, and complaining...
to be honest, the response to his being awarded the prize is quite amusing...
not nearly as amusing as him actually being awarded the damn thing.
perhaps, but you can't deny it's funny to watch the overreaction and whining....
and yeah, all you're points have been raised over and over and over...
my point is that if he did turn it down, just as many would be second guessing, dissecting, and complaining...
to be honest, the response to his being awarded the prize is quite amusing...
not nearly as amusing as him actually being awarded the damn thing.
perhaps, but you can't deny it's funny to watch the overreaction and whining....
well, it's amusing to me...
what you see as whining(and perhaps there was) and overreaction i see as indignation and flat out disbelief. any aimed at obama is ill placed.. but any aimed squarely at the nobel committee is absolutely very deserved. they fucked up. they now know it(if they didnt know it before) and now they cant take it back. perhaps next time theyll actually think before they blurt out something of equal absurdity in the future.
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i was watching the trials of henry kissinger and it said when kissigner got the peace prize others were awarded it with him but they declined to accept it becase they were getting it for peace in vietnam and since the war was still going on they felt it wasn't deserved......
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If it’s too early in his leadership to congratulate him , then it’s too early to criticise him right?
that's assuming you're still talking about how the decision to award the prize to him, was made after he had only been in office for a small number of days. i'm pretty sure you are all aware the prize was awared in early january, months before the announcement. i don't understand what process/criteria the awards panel used here to determine a winner. even so, the credibility of the awards panel leaves a bit to be desired in my opinion.
if at the end of his term he is still leading the occupation of two countries AND arming, protecting and financing the occupation of another, he can give the prize back then. i've seen some of the other comments saying he should give the prize back now and then everyone will have more respect for him. i don't see it like that. giving the prize back won't change my opinions on anything. stopping the occupations is a much more powerful message to send and the only acceptable one for me.
If it’s too early in his leadership to congratulate him , then it’s too early to criticise him right?
that's assuming you're still talking about how the decision to award the prize to him, was made after he had only been in office for a small number of days. i'm pretty sure you are all aware the prize was awared in early january, months before the announcement. i don't understand what process/criteria the awards panel used here to determine a winner. even so, the credibility of the awards panel leaves a bit to be desired in my opinion.
if at the end of his term he is still leading the occupation of two countries AND arming, protecting and financing the occupation of another, he can give the prize back then. i've seen some of the other comments saying he should give the prize back now and then everyone will have more respect for him. i don't see it like that. giving the prize back won't change my opinions on anything. stopping the occupations is a much more powerful message to send and the only acceptable one for me.
he can't stop the occupations now. the right will crucify him as a coward and the next gerald ford. and once palin starts flapping her uneducated mouth it will embolden the right and it would make him vulnerable in 2012. if he does not pull out now he risks his own party abandoning him... he is in quite a pinch right now, nobel lauriat, maintaining in iraq and escalating in afghanistan...talk about a conflicting set of circumstances...
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If it’s too early in his leadership to congratulate him , then it’s too early to criticise him right?
not really, no. it comes down to intention and effort, which seems pretty lacking in my eyes.
think of a race, while 1/4 of the way into it may be too early to call a winner if someone is still trying to tie their shoes at the starting line then gingerly strolling onwards it's pretty easy to be critical of their performance.
or think of a job, 7 days in could be too early to pick employee of the month but if 1 guy isn't showing very much effort and not doing much, if anything, it's safe to say he doesn't deserve the award, or should he be given it because of all the talk he did in his interview and say well, maybe 1 day he'll deserve it so until then i won't judge him or his performance!
he got a peace prize for talk and campaign rhetoric. even if he is doing nothing because he is scared the right will crucify him then what we are really saying is he is more worried about re-election and not doing what he said and what many want. he could've declined to accept it as some of the people who were awarded it for peace in vietnam a few years before the war actually ended did saying when there is peace then it will be deserved but instead he accepted it and talked about how wars are sometimes moral and justified
and i still don't understand why people think the only options are stay in or totally abandon the country to the taliban and warlords. all we're doing now is arming and supporting someone (karzai and his brother) in another decade or so we will probably be sending more troops in to overthrow (if he steps out of line or becomes inconvenient like Noriega and Saddam) while ripping off the american tax payer and looting the treasury. there can be multi national peace keeping forces, it doesn't have to be a US occupation or warlords running around crazy. in fact, early on countries did offer to help but also wanted in on some of the contracts and we weren't willing to do that.
that is very sensible and gets our troops out and home (not redeployed to another war) while not 'cutting and running'
are we saying Obama is just in over his head? when he pushed hope and change we could believe in and how the first thing he would do was bring the troops home from iraq, any health care reform MUST have a public option, being against the (illegal) settlements....he just didn't realize the republicans wouldn't go along?? so now he can do none of these things, not even make an effort, because he is scared what the other party will say about him?
i could care less for his pretty speeches and empty rhetoric, i want to see some actual effort
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
exept the nobel congrats to the president + with the other leaders that help save the planet..
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I know right?? my arse is laughing so much I cant even begin to contemplate the logic behind this obviously warped thought. putin? are you fuckin' kidding me???? tho really it isn't any more ridiculous a thought than Obama being nominated and fuckin' winning is it??
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I know right?? my arse is laughing so much I cant even begin to contemplate the logic behind this obviously warped thought. putin? are you fuckin' kidding me???? tho really it isn't any more ridiculous a thought than Obama being nominated and fuckin' winning is it??
At least Obama made it because he had one of the greatest campaigns of all time and a lot of us really bought into the hope and change message being sold to us.
Putin on the other hand has cracked down on gays, exploited the environment, fleeced the Olympics, bluffed Obama on Syria so they could keep selling weapons, is turning Russia back into the USSR, yada, yada, yada ...
I know right?? my arse is laughing so much I cant even begin to contemplate the logic behind this obviously warped thought. putin? are you fuckin' kidding me???? tho really it isn't any more ridiculous a thought than Obama being nominated and fuckin' winning is it??
At least Obama made it because he had one of the greatest campaigns of all time and a lot of us really bought into the hope and change message being sold to us.
Putin on the other hand has cracked down on gays, exploited the environment, fleeced the Olympics, bluffed Obama on Syria so they could keep selling weapons, is turning Russia back into the USSR, yada, yada, yada ...
not my fault you believed obamas bullshit.
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I know right?? my arse is laughing so much I cant even begin to contemplate the logic behind this obviously warped thought. putin? are you fuckin' kidding me???? tho really it isn't any more ridiculous a thought than Obama being nominated and fuckin' winning is it??
At least Obama made it because he had one of the greatest campaigns of all time and a lot of us really bought into the hope and change message being sold to us.
Putin on the other hand has cracked down on gays, exploited the environment, fleeced the Olympics, bluffed Obama on Syria so they could keep selling weapons, is turning Russia back into the USSR, yada, yada, yada ...
not my fault you believed obamas bullshit.
Haha! I find it naive for anyone to believe any politician's bullshit But people might call that cynical...
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lets say he did...I'd be willing to bet anything that we would have heard:
"oh the arrogance, how dare he turn down something like this"
"turning it down was a slap in the face to Nobel Peace Prize Committee and the world"
"you see, I know Obama hated peace"
"he's antichrist"
did you read cate's post?
it was not an arrogant statement at all. if anything, it would point to intelligence and humility. the fact that the nominations for this award had to be submitted, what....2 weeks after he was elected, i am sorry but....wtf? TWO WEEKS as president, and he's changing the world? he may well, and his election did indeed send a message to the world that america does want change, etc.....but even as a supporter, i too most heartily agree it is too much, too soon. it certainly wouldn't be a slap in the face, if anything, i think he would be even more lauded for it. he does NOT deserve it.....at least not yet. i read all the 'whys' of his nomination and winning....and yet....he has not truly 'done' anything yet. being elected alone, full of great ideas, just not enough. i think it's ridiculous he even got nominated in the first place. i think obama may well do great things for this country, but i think he most definitely is being over-hyped.
Let's just breathe...
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yeah, I read it the post...
and yeah, all you're points have been raised over and over and over...
my point is that if he did turn it down, just as many would be second guessing, dissecting, and complaining...
to be honest, the response to his being awarded the prize is quite amusing...
I think it's incredibly naive to think the right wouldn't crucify him if he turned this down. He wouldn't be lauded for it, they'd have his head on a platter. He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. They're just bitter that he was ever elected and nothing he says or does in office is going to change it. It's like Clinton times ten. He handled it the only way he could have.
You said you opposed the Iraq War and Saddam was just as bad as these guys. What do you suggest be done about these leaders and countries? Invade, kill them, remove them, and install someone else? What could Obama be doing right now about these places that he hasn't?
Also, no one raped in American prisons? We rape our OWN citizens in these places, and then tell them to keep quiet about it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/1 ... 90034.html
For me at least the criticism isn't being hurled at Obama, but the idiots that awarded him the awards after 10 days in office.
I do agree that if he turned it down the right would find a way to criticize him for it, even though I think it would have been a great message for him to send. But that's a tough position to be in.
Which is why I don't envy him. It put him in a very awkward position and he handled it the best he could have. It was a bonehead call by the Nobel committee, but there isn't a damn thing he can do about it. Has anyone ever declined a Nobel prize? What would they have done to Obama if he had? I can just see the cries from Fox about him thinking he's too good for the Nobel...
This award was clearly based on wishful thinking.
True he might have been criticized for it but isn't Fox already criticizing him day in day out? So it wouldn't have changed much with regards to Fox or all the other right-wingers. What it would have changed was that the majority of the world would have respected him. I'd say his support around the globe would have gone crazy if he declined the award. And you don't have to come out saying "oh I dont deserve it". There are better ways of dealing with it. Like for example "At this point in time I do not believe I have done enough to warrant a Nobel peace prize but I do hope in the future after my actions around the globe have taken effect, people may feel once again that I am deserving of such an honour, therefore I respectfully decline". and I'm sure Obama has speech writers that can do much better than what I have done in 1 minute.
Personally, I don't like Obama as I see him to be more dangerous than Bush in the sense that we knew Bush was a crazy motherfucker while Obama gives people some hope only to snatch it away. Support against the wars was huge when Bush was around because everyone hated him. Now that Obama sugarcoats it people stomach it better.
not nearly as amusing as him actually being awarded the damn thing.
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perhaps, but you can't deny it's funny to watch the overreaction and whining....
well, it's amusing to me...
what you see as whining(and perhaps there was) and overreaction i see as indignation and flat out disbelief. any aimed at obama is ill placed.. but any aimed squarely at the nobel committee is absolutely very deserved. they fucked up. they now know it(if they didnt know it before) and now they cant take it back. perhaps next time theyll actually think before they blurt out something of equal absurdity in the future.
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the mtv award was great!!
all of those were good....
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i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
that's assuming you're still talking about how the decision to award the prize to him, was made after he had only been in office for a small number of days. i'm pretty sure you are all aware the prize was awared in early january, months before the announcement. i don't understand what process/criteria the awards panel used here to determine a winner. even so, the credibility of the awards panel leaves a bit to be desired in my opinion.
if at the end of his term he is still leading the occupation of two countries AND arming, protecting and financing the occupation of another, he can give the prize back then. i've seen some of the other comments saying he should give the prize back now and then everyone will have more respect for him. i don't see it like that. giving the prize back won't change my opinions on anything. stopping the occupations is a much more powerful message to send and the only acceptable one for me.
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not really, no. it comes down to intention and effort, which seems pretty lacking in my eyes.
think of a race, while 1/4 of the way into it may be too early to call a winner if someone is still trying to tie their shoes at the starting line then gingerly strolling onwards it's pretty easy to be critical of their performance.
or think of a job, 7 days in could be too early to pick employee of the month but if 1 guy isn't showing very much effort and not doing much, if anything, it's safe to say he doesn't deserve the award, or should he be given it because of all the talk he did in his interview and say well, maybe 1 day he'll deserve it so until then i won't judge him or his performance!
he got a peace prize for talk and campaign rhetoric. even if he is doing nothing because he is scared the right will crucify him then what we are really saying is he is more worried about re-election and not doing what he said and what many want. he could've declined to accept it as some of the people who were awarded it for peace in vietnam a few years before the war actually ended did saying when there is peace then it will be deserved but instead he accepted it and talked about how wars are sometimes moral and justified
and i still don't understand why people think the only options are stay in or totally abandon the country to the taliban and warlords. all we're doing now is arming and supporting someone (karzai and his brother) in another decade or so we will probably be sending more troops in to overthrow (if he steps out of line or becomes inconvenient like Noriega and Saddam) while ripping off the american tax payer and looting the treasury. there can be multi national peace keeping forces, it doesn't have to be a US occupation or warlords running around crazy. in fact, early on countries did offer to help but also wanted in on some of the contracts and we weren't willing to do that.
take this withdraw plan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYY2vz5pZ2c
that is very sensible and gets our troops out and home (not redeployed to another war) while not 'cutting and running'
are we saying Obama is just in over his head? when he pushed hope and change we could believe in and how the first thing he would do was bring the troops home from iraq, any health care reform MUST have a public option, being against the (illegal) settlements....he just didn't realize the republicans wouldn't go along?? so now he can do none of these things, not even make an effort, because he is scared what the other party will say about him?
i could care less for his pretty speeches and empty rhetoric, i want to see some actual effort
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"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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Who is up next? Dick Cheney? Darth Vader? King Joffrey?
wtf?
http://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-nobel-peace-prize-2013-10
I know right?? my arse is laughing so much I cant even begin to contemplate the logic behind this obviously warped thought. putin? are you fuckin' kidding me???? tho really it isn't any more ridiculous a thought than Obama being nominated and fuckin' winning is it??
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Putin on the other hand has cracked down on gays, exploited the environment, fleeced the Olympics, bluffed Obama on Syria so they could keep selling weapons, is turning Russia back into the USSR, yada, yada, yada ...
not my fault you believed obamas bullshit.
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I think this whole "Prize" thing should go to the wayside anyway. It's about as meaningful as an Oscar or Grammy or other similar trinkets.
Smoke & mirrors.