In his first two weeks in office this may have attracted the Nobel Prize attention:
"February 4, 2009
President Obama seeks Russia deal to slash nuclear weapons
President Obama will convene the most ambitious arms reduction talks with Russia for a generation, aiming to slash each country’s stockpile of nuclear weapons by 80 per cent.
The radical treaty would cut the number of nuclear warheads to 1,000 each, The Times has learnt. Key to the initiative is a review of the Bush Administration’s plan for a US missile defence shield in Eastern Europe, a project fiercely opposed by Moscow."
And more recently:
"Barack Obama ready to slash US nuclear arsenal
Obama has rejected the Pentagon's first draft of the "nuclear posture review" as being too timid, and has called for a range of more far-reaching options consistent with his goal of eventually abolishing nuclear weapons altogether, according to European officials.
Those options include:
• Reconfiguring the US nuclear force to allow for an arsenal measured in hundreds rather than thousands of deployed strategic warheads.
• Redrafting nuclear doctrine to narrow the range of conditions under which the US would use nuclear weapons.
• Exploring ways of guaranteeing the future reliability of nuclear weapons without testing or producing a new generation of warheads.
The review is due to be completed by the end of this year, and European officials say the outcome is not yet clear. But one official said: "Obama is now driving this process. He is saying these are the president's weapons, and he wants to look again at the doctrine and their role."
The move comes as Obama prepares to take the rare step of chairing a watershed session of the UN security council on Thursday. It is aimed at winning consensus on a new grand bargain: exchanging more radical disarmament by nuclear powers in return for wider global efforts to prevent further proliferation."
Obama is given an honor and the wingnuts respond by being wingnutty. "Something has happened here that we all agree with the Taliban and Iran about and that is he doesn't deserve the award." (Limbaugh) Let's face it, the wingnuts would agree with Satan if he said anything vaguely negative about Obama,up to and including that Obama had spinach in his teeth.
If you were to remove all the "Republicans Scoff at Obama" stories every day, what kind of news would the Republicans make? That they can agree that Sarah Palin is good looking? Take that away from them, and they wouldn't have a damn thing to say, except for reporting on the occasional trip to the Appalachian Trail.
Obama is given an honor and the wingnuts respond by being wingnutty. "Something has happened here that we all agree with the Taliban and Iran about and that is he doesn't deserve the award." (Limbaugh) Let's face it, the wingnuts would agree with Satan if he said anything vaguely negative about Obama,up to and including that Obama had spinach in his teeth.
If you were to remove all the "Republicans Scoff at Obama" stories every day, what kind of news would the Republicans make? That they can agree that Sarah Palin is good looking? Take that away from them, and they wouldn't have a damn thing to say, except for reporting on the occasional trip to the Appalachian Trail.
First off the question is why did he even receive nomination? What did he do this past year other then campaign? Second it is not only Republicans questioning this award, there are liberals questioning it as well.
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Even though she has more to say I believe Naomi Klien nails it right here.....
JUAN GONZALEZ: President Obama took office less than two weeks before the nomination deadline. He is the third sitting American president to win the Nobel Peace Prize after Theodore Roosevelt in 1906 and Woodrow Wilson in 1919.
For more, we’re joined by award-winning journalist and author Naomi Klein. She’s the author of the books The Shock Doctrine and No Logo. She joins us on the line from her home in Toronto.
Welcome to Democracy Now!, Naomi.
NAOMI KLEIN: Thank you, Juan.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Your reaction to this surprise announcement?
NAOMI KLEIN: You know, I try not to speak about things before I really had a process—you know, a chance to process it, because my raw reaction is really that this represents—it’s very significant and disappointing, cheapening of the Nobel Prize. And, you know, it’s been cheapened before, and it will cheapen again—be cheapened again, but I think there’s something really striking here. And even just listening to the rationale that, despite overwhelming evidence, they’re giving this prize in the hopes that it will change Obama’s mind or encourage him to do things he hasn’t done—this is a candidate that ran a campaign that was much more based on hope and wishful thinking than it was on concrete policy. So we have hopes being piled on hope and wishful thinking.
This is supposed to be a prize that rewards concrete behavior, concrete action. And there are many people out there in the world who were under consideration for this prize, who every day perform acts that are taken at enormous risk for concrete benefit. I mean, I think that one of the people—one of the names under consideration this year was Dr. Mukwege in the Congo, in the DRC. This is somebody who is under personal threat because he is saving the lives of women every day who have been violently raped. And giving the prize to Dr. Mukwege—and I’m just giving one example—would have been such a concrete victory and encouragement for that action. It would have put pressure on the United States to take action, on the international community to take action, for the women of the Congo. And instead of that, we have this very, very political decision, and in many ways it’s like a pat on the head for good behavior or the hope of good behavior, because actually we’ve seen a lot of bad behavior. And we can come back to this.
But what I’m working on right now is a piece for Rolling Stone about the climate negotiations leading up to Copenhagen. And one of the things that the Obama administration is being rewarded for with this prize or what Barack Obama is personally being rewarded for in this prize is his supposed breakthroughs on international relations. What we’re actually seeing, as we speak, in Bangkok—this is the final day of two weeks of climate negotiations—has been extraordinarily destructive behavior on the part of the United States government, on the part of the Obama administration, absolutely derailing the climate negotiations in the lead-up to Copenhagen. Developing countries are absolutely shocked by what US climate negotiators have done. They have gone into these talks saying, you know, “We’re back. We want to reengage with the world.” What they’ve actually done is made a series of demands that would destroy the Kyoto Protocol and the binding emission architecture that was set up under Kyoto. So, to reward the Nobel Prize in the context of destroying the climate, where the US is destroying the climate negotiations, or threatening to, to me, is just shocking.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Naomi, the Nobel Committee specifically cited Obama’s outreach to the Muslim world. And I’d like you to comment, especially in light of the fact that right now the President is considering a dramatic escalation of the war in Afghanistan and also the US government’s criticism of the Goldstone report on the Israeli war in Gaza.
NAOMI KLEIN: Well, I’ll start with the second point, because this is something else that is so strange about the timing. I think the moment of just rewarding Obama for awakening hope and optimism has clearly passed. And we certainly see this in the context of Israel-Palestine, where there was a huge amount of hope that was awakened and inspired by Obama’s rhetoric, by his historic Cairo speech. But now we’re past that moment. He didn’t just give that speech yesterday. And now is the moment when we’re seeing his actual commitment to change. And it has been one disappointment after the next.
First, an extremely half-hearted attempt to get tough with the Netanyahu government when it comes to settlement expansion. I say “half-hearted,” because demands were made, but they weren’t followed through with any kind of muscle. As we know, the US has more than moral suasion to use with the Netanyahu government, if it’s really opposed to settlement expansion. There are billions of military aid that, of course, is never put on the table. And after a little bit of moral suasion failed, we see the same defeatism setting in.
And then the Goldstone report. You know, one of the supposed victories of the US reengagement with multilateralism has been the US taking a seat on the Human Rights Council. But what we see, as in the context of the climate negotiations, is the US is reengaging, but in an extremely destructive way, using their status, their seat at the table, to undermine international law. That’s happening in the context of the climate negotiations, and now it’s happened in the context of the Goldstone report, where, rather than strengthening international law, the US pressure on Abbas and also their own words and actions undermine a crucial report, which should have been a breakthrough.
And the Obama administration wasted absolutely no time in selling out Judge Richard Goldstone with no basis of fact whatsoever. The report was extremely balanced. The Obama administration could have stepped back and allowed it to work its way through the UN system, really kind of hid behind the UN on this one. Here you have a judge with an extraordinary international reputation for his belief in international law and his commitment to the reality of the—of “never again,” whether in the context of Rwanda or the former Yugoslavia. And this is somebody who’s really, really been committed to that idea. And the US has allowed his reputation to be destroyed, and contributed to it in many ways. So this is a moment where Palestinians more and more are saying, “OK, you raised our hopes, and now you’re dashing them.”
And then, in the middle of all this, the Nobel Prize Committee awards their top honors to Obama. And I think it’s quite insulting. I don’t know what kind of political game they’re playing, but I don’t think that the committee has ever been as political as this or as delusional as this, frankly.
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just curious, but why do you keep calling him the antichrist in all of these threads? according to jesus's teachings i would think that jesus would think he was a good guy and would agree with his agenda in several areas.[/quote][/quote]
if you were familiar with Jesus' teachings, the New Testament, or even the Bible for that matter, then you would know that the "anti-Christ" is probably going to take the form of a supposed great leader. I'm not calling Obama the anti-Christ, but just understand that the anti-Christ isn't going to make his true identity known, when he does arrive. he's not going to be walking around with horns and a pitchfork killing people and doing obvious things that all people on earth will agree are bad. I suggest you watch The Omen series (the first one is a fantastic movie with Gregory Peck, by the way). be more informed, my friend.
just curious, but why do you keep calling him the antichrist in all of these threads? according to jesus's teachings i would think that jesus would think he was a good guy and would agree with his agenda in several areas.
if you were familiar with Jesus' teachings, the New Testament, or even the Bible for that matter, then you would know that the "anti-Christ" is probably going to take the form of a supposed great leader. I'm not calling Obama the anti-Christ, but just understand that the anti-Christ isn't going to make his true identity known, when he does arrive. he's not going to be walking around with horns and a pitchfork killing people and doing obvious things that all people on earth will agree are bad. I suggest you watch The Omen series (the first one is a fantastic movie with Gregory Peck, by the way). be more informed, my friend.
just curious, but why do you keep calling him the antichrist in all of these threads? according to jesus's teachings i would think that jesus would think he was a good guy and would agree with his agenda in several areas.
if you were familiar with Jesus' teachings, the New Testament, or even the Bible for that matter, then you would know that the "anti-Christ" is probably going to take the form of a supposed great leader. I'm not calling Obama the anti-Christ, but just understand that the anti-Christ isn't going to make his true identity known, when he does arrive. he's not going to be walking around with horns and a pitchfork killing people and doing obvious things that all people on earth will agree are bad. I suggest you watch The Omen series (the first one is a fantastic movie with Gregory Peck, by the way). be more informed, my friend.
just curious, but why do you keep calling him the antichrist in all of these threads? according to jesus's teachings i would think that jesus would think he was a good guy and would agree with his agenda in several areas.
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if you were familiar with Jesus' teachings, the New Testament, or even the Bible for that matter, then you would know that the "anti-Christ" is probably going to take the form of a supposed great leader. I'm not calling Obama the anti-Christ, but just understand that the anti-Christ isn't going to make his true identity known, when he does arrive. he's not going to be walking around with horns and a pitchfork killing people and doing obvious things that all people on earth will agree are bad. I suggest you watch The Omen series (the first one is a fantastic movie with Gregory Peck, by the way). be more informed, my friend.[/quote]
do you honestly believe what you just wrote? so let me get this straight, the antichrist is going to start off being a humanitarian? at what point does he make himself known, and by that time wouldn't we already be screwed?
i don't believe in any of that shit. i read the news and stay up with current events so i am fairly informed. maybe if you would not waste so much time reading about ancient prophesy maybe you would see that believeing in any antichrist is ridiculous.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Unlike his predecessors, Obama was selected not for substantive accomplishments, but for his "vision" and inspiring "hope" at the beginning of his presidency.
"For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman," the committee said, explaining its decision.
Obama will donate the roughly $1.4 million award to charity, a White House spokesman said Friday.
Sounds good to me! Very well deserved in that context.
All the haters here are pretty funny, and just a tad pathetic considering this is not an American-given award.
go ahead and make fun and laugh all you want. I didn't come up with the antichrist thing, it's just what's written. check out the book of Revelation. I hope we don't live to see times like that. but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... and if not, I hope God has a camcorder set up to record the priceless looks on your faces when you find yourself face to face with Him.
go ahead and make fun and laugh all you want. I didn't come up with the antichrist thing, it's just what's written. check out the book of Revelation. I hope we don't live to see times like that. but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... and if not, I hope God has a camcorder set up to record the priceless looks on your faces when you find yourself face to face with Him.
if you want to believe something written over 2000 years ago that's up to you. i hope you realize how condescending you sound to say "but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... ". what an asenine self-righteous thing to say. you and your kind don't give a shit about people like me so don't pretend to. i hope mother nature or whatever is out there has some sort of camcorder set up so when you die you realize there will never be a revelation and there is no god you self-righteous ass. it is people like you that give religion and spiritualism a bad name. "judge not lest ye be judged yourself," remember? by your being judgemental of me i guess i will see you in hell..... bring your sunscreen and a bite plate for all of the teeth gnashing we will do.
by the way, what does any of this have to do with obama winning the nobel peace prize?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
go ahead and make fun and laugh all you want. I didn't come up with the antichrist thing, it's just what's written. check out the book of Revelation. I hope we don't live to see times like that. but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... and if not, I hope God has a camcorder set up to record the priceless looks on your faces when you find yourself face to face with Him.
if you want to believe something written over 2000 years ago that's up to you. i hope you realize how condescending you sound to say "but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... ". what an asenine self-righteous thing to say. you and your kind don't give a shit about people like me so don't pretend to. i hope mother nature or whatever is out there has some sort of camcorder set up so when you die you realize there will never be a revelation and there is no god you self-righteous ass. it is people like you that give religion and spiritualism a bad name. "judge not lest ye be judged yourself," remember? by your being judgemental of me i guess i will see you in hell..... bring your sunscreen and a bite plate for all of the teeth gnashing we will do.
by the way, what does any of this have to do with obama winning the nobel peace prize?
hes the antichrist. jeez keep up.
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to be honest I find it a little odd too.. and he doesn't seem to think he deserves it either, but it's REALLY fun to watch the Republicans lose their collective shit, isn't it?
to be honest I find it a little odd too.. and he doesn't seem to think he deserves it either, but it's REALLY fun to watch the Republicans lose their collective shit, isn't it?
I think its more than republicans who are upset to be honest.
I frequent left wing sites on the net, and quite a few of them today ran articles that expressed disgust about Obama receiving this aware. The Progressive Magazine ran an article, Michael Moore had an article where he said congrats to Obama, but then spent the rest of the column denouncing obama's hawkish stance on the war.
to be honest I find it a little odd too.. and he doesn't seem to think he deserves it either, but it's REALLY fun to watch the Republicans lose their collective shit, isn't it?
true.
but if republicans would bring up the real reasons as to why Obama doesn't deserve this award...hell yeah. problem is they support him absolutely when it comes to foreign policy. you wont' hear bill oreily bashing obama on his war in afghanistan or his support of israel. its a fine line...disagreeing without actually bringing up anything that matters.
to be honest I find it a little odd too.. and he doesn't seem to think he deserves it either, but it's REALLY fun to watch the Republicans lose their collective shit, isn't it?
true.
but if republicans would bring up the real reasons as to why Obama doesn't deserve this award...hell yeah. problem is they support him absolutely when it comes to foreign policy. you wont' hear bill oreily bashing obama on his war in afghanistan or his support of israel. its a fine line...disagreeing without actually bringing up anything that matters.
what about the democrats? They have the ear of the president. Why not actually use that for something good for once. Instead of cow towing and bowing down to Obama and waiting on him hand and foot, why cant the democrats come out and say "no mr president, we arent going to pass any more authorizations that give you more money to fight the wars, and in fact we will vote down any such legislation. We also will demand the troops come home immediately"? Why not do something like that?
I spent 8 years listening to democrats whine like babies about W and his wars and how they wanted things to change and how bush was the devil. I am not saying I am in opposition to that idea at all. But I also heard for 8 years democrats say we cant impeach bush, its off the table. Or, no, we cant ask the president to end the wars. Or we cant ask him to end the wars because we will be looked at as unpatriotic and unamerican. The democrats voted in lock step with everything Bush wanted and said, for 8 years.
So now, the democrats have the world. They have power. I find it silly democrats continue to whine about how the republicans are mean people and all this stuff.
Its been alleged that when parents of soldiers killed in Iraq demanded that Reid and Pelosi, this was in 2006 or so, that they demand Bush end the wars and bring troops home, that quite literally Reid and Pelosi, laughed in their faces and refused to do anything. In fact they were laughed at, and then told, "oh we will due something about it, but right now we cant. In 2009 we will when Obama is elected".
So who's the real enemy? Who is responsible for the wars? Who is more at fault? Is the villain in this story, the racist, idiotic conservative, or is it, the meely mouthed, spineless, corrupt, democrats who continue to do nothing as the world is falling apart?
Take some time to try and figure out that problem that I just laid out for you.
what about the democrats? They have the ear of the president. Why not actually use that for something good for once. Instead of cow towing and bowing down to Obama and waiting on him hand and foot, why cant the democrats come out and say "no mr president, we arent going to pass any more authorizations that give you more money to fight the wars, and in fact we will vote down any such legislation. We also will demand the troops come home immediately"? Why not do something like that?
because the democrats want the same things as Obama does...they support him absolutely in his wars, as do the republicans. the dems/republicans can be lumped into the militant capitalist party...foreign policy doesn't change on election day.
I spent 8 years listening to democrats whine like babies about W and his wars and how they wanted things to change and how bush was the devil. I am not saying I am in opposition to that idea at all. But I also heard for 8 years democrats say we cant impeach bush, its off the table. Or, no, we cant ask the president to end the wars. Or we cant ask him to end the wars because we will be looked at as unpatriotic and unamerican. The democrats voted in lock step with everything Bush wanted and said, for 8 years.
another hint that foreign policy doesn't change with the party in power. but you're right in some regards, democrats brought up significant points in their opposition to Bush. for a change. and that was significant. people are so blindly partisan these days tha often it only takes a waord from their party to change their minds... a word from steel or obama...people take that in. that's why i was hoping the republicans would do this with obama's peace prize....he doesn't deserve it...now tell your blind followers why.
So now, the democrats have the world. They have power. I find it silly democrats continue to whine about how the republicans are mean people and all this stuff.
yep.. the partisan debate has taken over washington....reality suggests they are all on the same side anyway, but this imaginary divide keeps them "debating".
Its been alleged that when parents of soldiers killed in Iraq demanded that Reid and Pelosi, this was in 2006 or so, that they demand Bush end the wars and bring troops home, that quite literally Reid and Pelosi, laughed in their faces and refused to do anything. In fact they were laughed at, and then told, "oh we will due something about it, but right now we cant. In 2009 we will when Obama is elected".
So who's the real enemy? Who is responsible for the wars? Who is more at fault? Is the villain in this story, the racist, idiotic conservative, or is it, the meely mouthed, spineless, corrupt, democrats who continue to do nothing as the world is falling apart?
Take some time to try and figure out that problem that I just laid out for you.
violence is where washington has the upper hand, anywhere in the world. they pretend they oppose it, mostly the dems, but they vote to support it every time. both parties are guilty. they are both capitalist, and have no problem spreading their way of life violently.
the rest fits into the meaningless partisan "debate". they make moves, political moves...when Bush 2 was in power i think the democrats were so fed up they actually brought up relevant issues...claiming the war in iraq was bogus..but once they were in power they didn't follow through with it... at its core the democratic party supports the war in iraq, and so does the republican party. the maneuvering is partisan bs...they oppose something to get elected, not to change it.
that's because i've never heard of a nobel peace prize winner that made me go "what the fuck?" so much.
I think I may be older than most of the posters in this thread but that was pretty much my reaction when it was awarded to Henry Kissinger. In the time that's passed since old Henry received it, my feelings have just gotten stronger that there has probably been nobody less deserving.
Unlike his predecessors, Obama was selected not for substantive accomplishments, but for his "vision" and inspiring "hope" at the beginning of his presidency.
"For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman," the committee said, explaining its decision.
Obama will donate the roughly $1.4 million award to charity, a White House spokesman said Friday.
Sounds good to me! Very well deserved in that context.
All the haters here are pretty funny, and just a tad pathetic considering this is not an American-given award.
I think Obama's OK. I voted for him but was never an ardent supporter and I'm not completely satisfied with how he's doing things. But he's OK. I was very surprised to see the news about the award and like many others wondered how it was justified. But I'm taken aback at all the negativity that I've seen expressed at different web sites and by public officials. Seems to me that if the POTUS has won such a prestigious award, it should be an honor for all US citizens. And for the people who see it as a mistake, blame the Nobel Committee, not Obama. :roll:
to be honest I find it a little odd too.. and he doesn't seem to think he deserves it either, but it's REALLY fun to watch the Republicans lose their collective shit, isn't it?
I think its more than republicans who are upset to be honest.
I frequent left wing sites on the net, and quite a few of them today ran articles that expressed disgust about Obama receiving this aware. The Progressive Magazine ran an article, Michael Moore had an article where he said congrats to Obama, but then spent the rest of the column denouncing obama's hawkish stance on the war.
I am not a republican and I am pissed at Obama.
What exactly are you pissed at Obama about? It's not like he nominated himself or voted for himself to win. All he did was except an award and donate the money to charity.
I am proud that our president was honored. Here's the email he sent to his supporters...
Lisa --
This morning, Michelle and I awoke to some surprising and humbling news. At 6 a.m., we received word that I'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009.
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.
But I also know that throughout history the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.
That is why I've said that I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations and all peoples to confront the common challenges of the 21st century. These challenges won't all be met during my presidency, or even my lifetime. But I know these challenges can be met so long as it's recognized that they will not be met by one person or one nation alone.
This award -- and the call to action that comes with it -- does not belong simply to me or my administration; it belongs to all people around the world who have fought for justice and for peace. And most of all, it belongs to you, the men and women of America, who have dared to hope and have worked so hard to make our world a little better.
So today we humbly recommit to the important work that we've begun together. I'm grateful that you've stood with me thus far, and I'm honored to continue our vital work in the years to come.
Thank you,
President Barack Obama
makes much more sense, to live in the present tense
go ahead and make fun and laugh all you want. I didn't come up with the antichrist thing, it's just what's written. check out the book of Revelation. I hope we don't live to see times like that. but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... and if not, I hope God has a camcorder set up to record the priceless looks on your faces when you find yourself face to face with Him.
if you want to believe something written over 2000 years ago that's up to you. i hope you realize how condescending you sound to say "but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... ". what an asenine self-righteous thing to say. you and your kind don't give a shit about people like me so don't pretend to. i hope mother nature or whatever is out there has some sort of camcorder set up so when you die you realize there will never be a revelation and there is no god you self-righteous ass. it is people like you that give religion and spiritualism a bad name. "judge not lest ye be judged yourself," remember? by your being judgemental of me i guess i will see you in hell..... bring your sunscreen and a bite plate for all of the teeth gnashing we will do.
by the way, what does any of this have to do with obama winning the nobel peace prize?
go ahead and make fun and laugh all you want. I didn't come up with the antichrist thing, it's just what's written. check out the book of Revelation. I hope we don't live to see times like that. but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... and if not, I hope God has a camcorder set up to record the priceless looks on your faces when you find yourself face to face with Him.
if you want to believe something written over 2000 years ago that's up to you. i hope you realize how condescending you sound to say "but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... ". what an asenine self-righteous thing to say. you and your kind don't give a shit about people like me so don't pretend to. i hope mother nature or whatever is out there has some sort of camcorder set up so when you die you realize there will never be a revelation and there is no god you self-righteous ass. it is people like you that give religion and spiritualism a bad name. "judge not lest ye be judged yourself," remember? by your being judgemental of me i guess i will see you in hell..... bring your sunscreen and a bite plate for all of the teeth gnashing we will do.
by the way, what does any of this have to do with obama winning the nobel peace prize?
there was a guy who called Obama the antichrist a few threads above, jokingly. then there was another guy who took it seriously so I thought I'd correct him on the whole antichrist thing. just read the thread and you'll see I didn't instigate it. and it's obvious that you have zero belief in God, so what are you doing attempting to quote scripture from the Bible that is from the God you deny? that is biggest cop-out that is overused by people like you and YOUR kind. a pathetic double-standard at it's worst. don't try to use something against me that you yourself don't even believe in. I've been on these forums long enough to know better that it would take over a million miracles to get some of you to believe that there even IS a God, much less that it's possible for Him to be in your life. and you don't know me or who I am, but I'll tell you that I genuinely hope that someone comes along in your life one day that will help you open your eyes to the truth that is really out there. when people throw that off as "condescending" it just shows how bitter they really are. it's not the same as if I'm calling you an idiot. but it's obvious you're satisfied by not even knowing the truth, and I know that from how you said "mother nature or whatever is out there." is that really enough for you? it seems like such an empty way to live to go through life believing that one day you're doomed to death, and once your life is over, that's all. over. what would you really have to lose by believing that there is a God who wants a relationship with you, and who you can be with for eternity when your earthly life ends? why do you hate that idea? honestly, for anything I said prior that may have offended, forgive me. I genuinely care where everyone on this board is headed spiritually. as complicated as it all can seem, the bottom line is simple: Heaven or Hell. it's your choice.
go ahead and make fun and laugh all you want. I didn't come up with the antichrist thing, it's just what's written. check out the book of Revelation. I hope we don't live to see times like that. but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... and if not, I hope God has a camcorder set up to record the priceless looks on your faces when you find yourself face to face with Him.
if you want to believe something written over 2000 years ago that's up to you. i hope you realize how condescending you sound to say "but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... ". what an asenine self-righteous thing to say. you and your kind don't give a shit about people like me so don't pretend to. i hope mother nature or whatever is out there has some sort of camcorder set up so when you die you realize there will never be a revelation and there is no god you self-righteous ass. it is people like you that give religion and spiritualism a bad name. "judge not lest ye be judged yourself," remember? by your being judgemental of me i guess i will see you in hell..... bring your sunscreen and a bite plate for all of the teeth gnashing we will do.
by the way, what does any of this have to do with obama winning the nobel peace prize?
go ahead and make fun and laugh all you want. I didn't come up with the antichrist thing, it's just what's written. check out the book of Revelation. I hope we don't live to see times like that. but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... and if not, I hope God has a camcorder set up to record the priceless looks on your faces when you find yourself face to face with Him.
if you want to believe something written over 2000 years ago that's up to you. i hope you realize how condescending you sound to say "but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... ". what an asenine self-righteous thing to say. you and your kind don't give a shit about people like me so don't pretend to. i hope mother nature or whatever is out there has some sort of camcorder set up so when you die you realize there will never be a revelation and there is no god you self-righteous ass. it is people like you that give religion and spiritualism a bad name. "judge not lest ye be judged yourself," remember? by your being judgemental of me i guess i will see you in hell..... bring your sunscreen and a bite plate for all of the teeth gnashing we will do.
by the way, what does any of this have to do with obama winning the nobel peace prize?
there was a guy who called Obama the antichrist a few threads above, jokingly. then there was another guy who took it seriously so I thought I'd correct him on the whole antichrist thing. just read the thread and you'll see I didn't instigate it. and it's obvious that you have zero belief in God, so what are you doing attempting to quote scripture from the Bible that is from the God you deny? that is biggest cop-out that is overused by people like you and YOUR kind. a pathetic double-standard at it's worst. don't try to use something against me that you yourself don't even believe in. I've been on these forums long enough to know better that it would take over a million miracles to get some of you to believe that there even IS a God, much less that it's possible for Him to be in your life. and you don't know me or who I am, but I'll tell you that I genuinely hope that someone comes along in your life one day that will help you open your eyes to the truth that is really out there. when people throw that off as "condescending" it just shows how bitter they really are. it's not the same as if I'm calling you an idiot. but it's obvious you're satisfied by not even knowing the truth, and I know that from how you said "mother nature or whatever is out there." is that really enough for you? it seems like such an empty way to live to go through life believing that one day you're doomed to death, and once your life is over, that's all. over. what would you really have to lose by believing that there is a God who wants a relationship with you, and who you can be with for eternity when your earthly life ends? why do you hate that idea? honestly, for anything I said prior that may have offended, forgive me. I genuinely care where everyone on this board is headed spiritually. as complicated as it all can seem, the bottom line is simple: Heaven or Hell. it's your choice.
no you did not instigate it, rather you jumped in and said i was going to hell. i appreciate your concern, but the 11th commandment should be "keep thy religion to yourself". there is so much hypocracy in organized religion and i choose to not participate in that. it is all about guilt and control. the control of the priest over his followers and no man will control me. i am subservient to no man. i am sure you can find some others to save on the all encompassing trip. you will never convert me. you say i will never know the truth? i know the truth, there is no heaven there is no hell and there is no god. not in the matter that you speak of at least.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
go ahead and make fun and laugh all you want. I didn't come up with the antichrist thing, it's just what's written. check out the book of Revelation. I hope we don't live to see times like that. but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... and if not, I hope God has a camcorder set up to record the priceless looks on your faces when you find yourself face to face with Him.
if you want to believe something written over 2000 years ago that's up to you. i hope you realize how condescending you sound to say "but when your life is over, I really hope you will have learned God's truth by then.... ". what an asenine self-righteous thing to say. you and your kind don't give a shit about people like me so don't pretend to. i hope mother nature or whatever is out there has some sort of camcorder set up so when you die you realize there will never be a revelation and there is no god you self-righteous ass. it is people like you that give religion and spiritualism a bad name. "judge not lest ye be judged yourself," remember? by your being judgemental of me i guess i will see you in hell..... bring your sunscreen and a bite plate for all of the teeth gnashing we will do.
by the way, what does any of this have to do with obama winning the nobel peace prize?
there was a guy who called Obama the antichrist a few threads above, jokingly. then there was another guy who took it seriously so I thought I'd correct him on the whole antichrist thing. just read the thread and you'll see I didn't instigate it. and it's obvious that you have zero belief in God, so what are you doing attempting to quote scripture from the Bible that is from the God you deny? that is biggest cop-out that is overused by people like you and YOUR kind. a pathetic double-standard at it's worst. don't try to use something against me that you yourself don't even believe in. I've been on these forums long enough to know better that it would take over a million miracles to get some of you to believe that there even IS a God, much less that it's possible for Him to be in your life. and you don't know me or who I am, but I'll tell you that I genuinely hope that someone comes along in your life one day that will help you open your eyes to the truth that is really out there. when people throw that off as "condescending" it just shows how bitter they really are. it's not the same as if I'm calling you an idiot. but it's obvious you're satisfied by not even knowing the truth, and I know that from how you said "mother nature or whatever is out there." is that really enough for you? it seems like such an empty way to live to go through life believing that one day you're doomed to death, and once your life is over, that's all. over. what would you really have to lose by believing that there is a God who wants a relationship with you, and who you can be with for eternity when your earthly life ends? why do you hate that idea? honestly, for anything I said prior that may have offended, forgive me. I genuinely care where everyone on this board is headed spiritually. as complicated as it all can seem, the bottom line is simple: Heaven or Hell. it's your choice.
by the way, it is not a double standard for me to use a quote from your book. you were judging me, and everyone knows that you should "judge not lest ye be judged yourself." :roll:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Maybe he is the only in the planet that has his ass in the..back...
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"February 4, 2009
President Obama seeks Russia deal to slash nuclear weapons
President Obama will convene the most ambitious arms reduction talks with Russia for a generation, aiming to slash each country’s stockpile of nuclear weapons by 80 per cent.
The radical treaty would cut the number of nuclear warheads to 1,000 each, The Times has learnt. Key to the initiative is a review of the Bush Administration’s plan for a US missile defence shield in Eastern Europe, a project fiercely opposed by Moscow."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 654836.ece
And more recently:
"Barack Obama ready to slash US nuclear arsenal
Obama has rejected the Pentagon's first draft of the "nuclear posture review" as being too timid, and has called for a range of more far-reaching options consistent with his goal of eventually abolishing nuclear weapons altogether, according to European officials.
Those options include:
• Reconfiguring the US nuclear force to allow for an arsenal measured in hundreds rather than thousands of deployed strategic warheads.
• Redrafting nuclear doctrine to narrow the range of conditions under which the US would use nuclear weapons.
• Exploring ways of guaranteeing the future reliability of nuclear weapons without testing or producing a new generation of warheads.
The review is due to be completed by the end of this year, and European officials say the outcome is not yet clear. But one official said: "Obama is now driving this process. He is saying these are the president's weapons, and he wants to look again at the doctrine and their role."
The move comes as Obama prepares to take the rare step of chairing a watershed session of the UN security council on Thursday. It is aimed at winning consensus on a new grand bargain: exchanging more radical disarmament by nuclear powers in return for wider global efforts to prevent further proliferation."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/se ... ar-weapons
If you were to remove all the "Republicans Scoff at Obama" stories every day, what kind of news would the Republicans make? That they can agree that Sarah Palin is good looking? Take that away from them, and they wouldn't have a damn thing to say, except for reporting on the occasional trip to the Appalachian Trail.
First off the question is why did he even receive nomination? What did he do this past year other then campaign? Second it is not only Republicans questioning this award, there are liberals questioning it as well.
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As US Continues Afghan, Iraq Occupations and Quashes Accountability for Gaza Assault, Critics Decry Awarding of Nobel Peace Prize to Obama
Even though she has more to say I believe Naomi Klien nails it right here.....
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if you were familiar with Jesus' teachings, the New Testament, or even the Bible for that matter, then you would know that the "anti-Christ" is probably going to take the form of a supposed great leader. I'm not calling Obama the anti-Christ, but just understand that the anti-Christ isn't going to make his true identity known, when he does arrive. he's not going to be walking around with horns and a pitchfork killing people and doing obvious things that all people on earth will agree are bad. I suggest you watch The Omen series (the first one is a fantastic movie with Gregory Peck, by the way). be more informed, my friend.
wow....
Someone's been watching too many movies... :?
if you were familiar with Jesus' teachings, the New Testament, or even the Bible for that matter, then you would know that the "anti-Christ" is probably going to take the form of a supposed great leader. I'm not calling Obama the anti-Christ, but just understand that the anti-Christ isn't going to make his true identity known, when he does arrive. he's not going to be walking around with horns and a pitchfork killing people and doing obvious things that all people on earth will agree are bad. I suggest you watch The Omen series (the first one is a fantastic movie with Gregory Peck, by the way). be more informed, my friend.[/quote]
do you honestly believe what you just wrote? so let me get this straight, the antichrist is going to start off being a humanitarian? at what point does he make himself known, and by that time wouldn't we already be screwed?
i don't believe in any of that shit. i read the news and stay up with current events so i am fairly informed. maybe if you would not waste so much time reading about ancient prophesy maybe you would see that believeing in any antichrist is ridiculous.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Unlike his predecessors, Obama was selected not for substantive accomplishments, but for his "vision" and inspiring "hope" at the beginning of his presidency.
"For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman," the committee said, explaining its decision.
Obama will donate the roughly $1.4 million award to charity, a White House spokesman said Friday.
Sounds good to me! Very well deserved in that context.
All the haters here are pretty funny, and just a tad pathetic considering this is not an American-given award.
by the way, what does any of this have to do with obama winning the nobel peace prize?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
hes the antichrist. jeez keep up.
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I think its more than republicans who are upset to be honest.
I frequent left wing sites on the net, and quite a few of them today ran articles that expressed disgust about Obama receiving this aware. The Progressive Magazine ran an article, Michael Moore had an article where he said congrats to Obama, but then spent the rest of the column denouncing obama's hawkish stance on the war.
I am not a republican and I am pissed at Obama.
true.
but if republicans would bring up the real reasons as to why Obama doesn't deserve this award...hell yeah. problem is they support him absolutely when it comes to foreign policy. you wont' hear bill oreily bashing obama on his war in afghanistan or his support of israel. its a fine line...disagreeing without actually bringing up anything that matters.
what about the democrats? They have the ear of the president. Why not actually use that for something good for once. Instead of cow towing and bowing down to Obama and waiting on him hand and foot, why cant the democrats come out and say "no mr president, we arent going to pass any more authorizations that give you more money to fight the wars, and in fact we will vote down any such legislation. We also will demand the troops come home immediately"? Why not do something like that?
I spent 8 years listening to democrats whine like babies about W and his wars and how they wanted things to change and how bush was the devil. I am not saying I am in opposition to that idea at all. But I also heard for 8 years democrats say we cant impeach bush, its off the table. Or, no, we cant ask the president to end the wars. Or we cant ask him to end the wars because we will be looked at as unpatriotic and unamerican. The democrats voted in lock step with everything Bush wanted and said, for 8 years.
So now, the democrats have the world. They have power. I find it silly democrats continue to whine about how the republicans are mean people and all this stuff.
Its been alleged that when parents of soldiers killed in Iraq demanded that Reid and Pelosi, this was in 2006 or so, that they demand Bush end the wars and bring troops home, that quite literally Reid and Pelosi, laughed in their faces and refused to do anything. In fact they were laughed at, and then told, "oh we will due something about it, but right now we cant. In 2009 we will when Obama is elected".
So who's the real enemy? Who is responsible for the wars? Who is more at fault? Is the villain in this story, the racist, idiotic conservative, or is it, the meely mouthed, spineless, corrupt, democrats who continue to do nothing as the world is falling apart?
Take some time to try and figure out that problem that I just laid out for you.
because the democrats want the same things as Obama does...they support him absolutely in his wars, as do the republicans. the dems/republicans can be lumped into the militant capitalist party...foreign policy doesn't change on election day.
another hint that foreign policy doesn't change with the party in power. but you're right in some regards, democrats brought up significant points in their opposition to Bush. for a change. and that was significant. people are so blindly partisan these days tha often it only takes a waord from their party to change their minds... a word from steel or obama...people take that in. that's why i was hoping the republicans would do this with obama's peace prize....he doesn't deserve it...now tell your blind followers why.
yep.. the partisan debate has taken over washington....reality suggests they are all on the same side anyway, but this imaginary divide keeps them "debating".
violence is where washington has the upper hand, anywhere in the world. they pretend they oppose it, mostly the dems, but they vote to support it every time. both parties are guilty. they are both capitalist, and have no problem spreading their way of life violently.
the rest fits into the meaningless partisan "debate". they make moves, political moves...when Bush 2 was in power i think the democrats were so fed up they actually brought up relevant issues...claiming the war in iraq was bogus..but once they were in power they didn't follow through with it... at its core the democratic party supports the war in iraq, and so does the republican party. the maneuvering is partisan bs...they oppose something to get elected, not to change it.
I think Obama's OK. I voted for him but was never an ardent supporter and I'm not completely satisfied with how he's doing things. But he's OK. I was very surprised to see the news about the award and like many others wondered how it was justified. But I'm taken aback at all the negativity that I've seen expressed at different web sites and by public officials. Seems to me that if the POTUS has won such a prestigious award, it should be an honor for all US citizens. And for the people who see it as a mistake, blame the Nobel Committee, not Obama. :roll:
Lisa --
This morning, Michelle and I awoke to some surprising and humbling news. At 6 a.m., we received word that I'd been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009.
To be honest, I do not feel that I deserve to be in the company of so many of the transformative figures who've been honored by this prize -- men and women who've inspired me and inspired the entire world through their courageous pursuit of peace.
But I also know that throughout history the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honor specific achievement; it's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes.
That is why I've said that I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations and all peoples to confront the common challenges of the 21st century. These challenges won't all be met during my presidency, or even my lifetime. But I know these challenges can be met so long as it's recognized that they will not be met by one person or one nation alone.
This award -- and the call to action that comes with it -- does not belong simply to me or my administration; it belongs to all people around the world who have fought for justice and for peace. And most of all, it belongs to you, the men and women of America, who have dared to hope and have worked so hard to make our world a little better.
So today we humbly recommit to the important work that we've begun together. I'm grateful that you've stood with me thus far, and I'm honored to continue our vital work in the years to come.
Thank you,
President Barack Obama
there was a guy who called Obama the antichrist a few threads above, jokingly. then there was another guy who took it seriously so I thought I'd correct him on the whole antichrist thing. just read the thread and you'll see I didn't instigate it. and it's obvious that you have zero belief in God, so what are you doing attempting to quote scripture from the Bible that is from the God you deny? that is biggest cop-out that is overused by people like you and YOUR kind. a pathetic double-standard at it's worst. don't try to use something against me that you yourself don't even believe in. I've been on these forums long enough to know better that it would take over a million miracles to get some of you to believe that there even IS a God, much less that it's possible for Him to be in your life. and you don't know me or who I am, but I'll tell you that I genuinely hope that someone comes along in your life one day that will help you open your eyes to the truth that is really out there. when people throw that off as "condescending" it just shows how bitter they really are. it's not the same as if I'm calling you an idiot. but it's obvious you're satisfied by not even knowing the truth, and I know that from how you said "mother nature or whatever is out there." is that really enough for you? it seems like such an empty way to live to go through life believing that one day you're doomed to death, and once your life is over, that's all. over. what would you really have to lose by believing that there is a God who wants a relationship with you, and who you can be with for eternity when your earthly life ends? why do you hate that idea? honestly, for anything I said prior that may have offended, forgive me. I genuinely care where everyone on this board is headed spiritually. as complicated as it all can seem, the bottom line is simple: Heaven or Hell. it's your choice.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yes this is what I think about it too. It is an honor for the entire country.
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”