I guess my point is this: If they gave the prize to Joe Shuck of Argentina...no one would give a shit...no one would be up in arms...no one would be bitching...attach Obama's name to something and suddenly it's a HUGE issue....
Honestly, I don't know the criteria for this award...I wasn't in the deliberations...obviously the fine folks who made the choice felt he deserved it...it's not like he went out and lobbied for it...
the man was given an award...it's not like the world ended...
or has it...
i think that's nonsense, because a lot of the people in here that don't get it (including me) are obama supporters. i voted for him, i think he's doing a decent job, and i think the histrionic reaction to him on the right is absurd. but that doesn't mean he deserves a damn peace prize. it just surprises me... i always thought the nobels had a bit of merit, but apparently they're no more than a glorified beauty pageant.
as to joe schuck, i don't know who that is. if it was announced i'd wonder what the hell he did to further world peace too. but i'd WONDER. i KNOW obama hasn't done anything on that front yet. he may in time, but he hasn't yet. so the award doesn't make sense.
it makes me wonder what the hell the criteria are. hell, i was pretty skeptical when gore won it and said so at the time, but at least he could point to some sort of achievements given his role in the clinton admin and global warming. i still wasn't sold, but it was something. i like obama, but i can't imagine what criteria he possibly fits.
I hear you and I don't disagree...but I do think you're discounting the Obama effect, i.e., anything attached to him is a lighting rod...
I do wonder about the criteria, sure...am I bothered or angry (like some) that he was given this award...nope...
to me, it's amazing that him being given this award is a bad thing...to me, this is just another item to discuss, beat to death, discuss, somehow make it out to be his fault, and beat to death some more...until the next thing pops up in the news cycle...
for me, I'm bit taken back by the pure anger about this...wondering is good, I respect that...I guess I was a bit taken back by being called a fool because I think those who handed out the award know more about the award than I do...thus, I'm ok with accepting it...that's all...
They will give him the award once the World Series has been played......
What kind of stats is he promising to deliver?
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
I guess my point is this: If they gave the prize to Joe Shuck of Argentina...no one would give a shit...no one would be up in arms...no one would be bitching...attach Obama's name to something and suddenly it's a HUGE issue....
Honestly, I don't know the criteria for this award...I wasn't in the deliberations...obviously the fine folks who made the choice felt he deserved it...it's not like he went out and lobbied for it...
the man was given an award...it's not like the world ended...
or has it...
i think that's nonsense, because a lot of the people in here that don't get it (including me) are obama supporters. i voted for him, i think he's doing a decent job, and i think the histrionic reaction to him on the right is absurd. but that doesn't mean he deserves a damn peace prize. it just surprises me... i always thought the nobels had a bit of merit, but apparently they're no more than a glorified beauty pageant.
as to joe schuck, i don't know who that is. if it was announced i'd wonder what the hell he did to further world peace too. but i'd WONDER. i KNOW obama hasn't done anything on that front yet. he may in time, but he hasn't yet. so the award doesn't make sense.
it makes me wonder what the hell the criteria are. hell, i was pretty skeptical when gore won it and said so at the time, but at least he could point to some sort of achievements given his role in the clinton admin and global warming. i still wasn't sold, but it was something. i like obama, but i can't imagine what criteria he possibly fits.
I hear you and I don't disagree...but I do think you're discounting the Obama effect, i.e., anything attached to him is a lighting rod...
I do wonder about the criteria, sure...am I bothered or angry (like some) that he was given this award...nope...
to me, it's amazing that him being given this award is a bad thing...to me, this is just another item to discuss, beat to death, discuss, somehow make it out to be his fault, and beat to death some more...until the next thing pops up in the news cycle...
for me, I'm bit taken back by the pure anger about this...wondering is good, I respect that...I guess I was a bit taken back by being called a fool because I think those who handed out the award know more about the award than I do...thus, I'm ok with accepting it...that's all...
when that seems to be your only criteria for accepting the decision then yes its foolish. you are allowed to disagree with the nobel committee if you see no grounds for agreeance. surely youre aware of what obamas done.or not done as the case may be, since being in office?? do you believe he deserves this award?? if so then please tell me why you think so?? that was my original question to you and you have yet to answer aside from telling me that a bunch of scandinavians must know what theyre doing so who are you to question them.
you say tis not a bad thing... then tell me why its a good thing.
im not angry but i do think its fucking ridiculous that with all the turmoil in the world obama is given this award when hes done nothing concrete and the turmoil continues. he pays lip service to the peace process. and i am not ok with accepting it.
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I hear you and I don't disagree...but I do think you're discounting the Obama effect, i.e., anything attached to him is a lighting rod...
I do wonder about the criteria, sure...am I bothered or angry (like some) that he was given this award...nope...
to me, it's amazing that him being given this award is a bad thing...to me, this is just another item to discuss, beat to death, discuss, somehow make it out to be his fault, and beat to death some more...until the next thing pops up in the news cycle...
for me, I'm bit taken back by the pure anger about this...wondering is good, I respect that...I guess I was a bit taken back by being called a fool because I think those who handed out the award know more about the award than I do...thus, I'm ok with accepting it...that's all...
i didn't see anyone blaming obama for this or saying it's his fault. i've seen a lot of 'what the fuck is wrong with the nobel committee' vibe though. it really undermines the credibility of what i had thought was a prestigious award.
Obama was just awarded the Gold medal for the 2016 Winter Olympics.....90 meter ski jump......
that was on helluva jump, for sure. or, at least he said it was going to be. kudos to the olympic committe for taking his word for it and sparing all of us having to actually wait to see if he pulls it off as promised. it's so old-fashioned to expect somebody to achieve something before we congratulate them for it.
when that seems to be your only criteria for accepting the decision then yes its foolish. you are allowed to disagree with the nobel committee if you see no grounds for agreeance. surely youre aware of what obamas done.or not done as the case may be, since being in office?? do you believe he deserves this award?? if so then please tell me why you think so?? that was my original question to you and you have yet to answer aside from telling me that a bunch of scandinavians must know what theyre doing so who are you to question them.
you say tis not a bad thing... then tell me why its a good thing.
im not angry but i do think its fucking ridiculous that with all the turmoil in the world obama is given this award when hes done nothing concrete and the turmoil continues. he pays lip service to the peace process. and i am not ok with accepting it.
why do you worry about my criteria...? why is it important that I justify anything to you...?
here's a some food for thought:
"He got the prize because he has been able to change the international climate," Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said. "Some people say, and I understand it, isn't it premature? Too early? Well, I'd say then that it could be too late to respond three years from now. It is now that we have the opportunity to respond — all of us."
and
Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership in the effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.
"In less than a year in office, he has transformed the way we look at ourselves and the world we live in and rekindled hope for a world at peace with itself," ElBaradei said. "He has shown an unshakable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts."
when that seems to be your only criteria for accepting the decision then yes its foolish. you are allowed to disagree with the nobel committee if you see no grounds for agreeance. surely youre aware of what obamas done.or not done as the case may be, since being in office?? do you believe he deserves this award?? if so then please tell me why you think so?? that was my original question to you and you have yet to answer aside from telling me that a bunch of scandinavians must know what theyre doing so who are you to question them.
you say tis not a bad thing... then tell me why its a good thing.
im not angry but i do think its fucking ridiculous that with all the turmoil in the world obama is given this award when hes done nothing concrete and the turmoil continues. he pays lip service to the peace process. and i am not ok with accepting it.
why do you worry about my criteria...? why is it important that I justify anything to you...?
here's a some food for thought:
"He got the prize because he has been able to change the international climate," Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said. "Some people say, and I understand it, isn't it premature? Too early? Well, I'd say then that it could be too late to respond three years from now. It is now that we have the opportunity to respond — all of us."
and
Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership in the effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.
"In less than a year in office, he has transformed the way we look at ourselves and the world we live in and rekindled hope for a world at peace with itself," ElBaradei said. "He has shown an unshakable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts."
yes yes i read all that and other links besides. but still the question remains. what exactly has obama done to warrant this award??? what El Barradei says about obamas efforts at stopping nuclear proliferation are ridiculous. what has he done expect crap on about iran?? an unshakable commitment to diplomacy??? hmmm if by diplomacy El Barradei means rhetoric then sure obamas an absolute winner.
oh you dont have to justify yourself to me. i simply asked a question. and you seem incapable of answering. but thats ok... i guess... cause i really didnt expect you to be able to anyway.
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yes yes i read all that and other links besides. but still the question remains. what exactly has obama done to warrant this award??? what El Barradei says about obamas efforts at stopping nuclear proliferation are ridiculous. what has he done expect crap on about iran?? an unshakable commitment to diplomacy??? hmmm if by diplomacy El Barradei means rhetoric then sure obamas an absolute winner.
oh you dont have to justify yourself to me. i simply asked a question. and you seem incapable of answering. but thats ok... i guess... cause i really didnt expect you to be able to anyway.
:yawn:
In less than a year in office, he has transformed the way we look at ourselves and the world we live in and rekindled hope for a world at peace with itself and He has shown an unshakable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts.
Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership in the effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.
Mulligan for Iran????
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Obama was just awarded the Gold medal for the 2016 Winter Olympics.....90 meter ski jump......
How many Oscars and Grammys is Obama gonna bring home, Speedy?
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership in the effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.
Mulligan for Iran????
at least he's not talking about bombing or invading Iran...
Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership in the effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.
Mulligan for Iran????
at least he's not talking about bombing or invading Iran...
Personally, I wish he was.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I don't get it either... I like the guy and voted for him, but besides toning down our foreign policy a bit, he has done nothing to earn this.
I haven't checked out who was in the running, but someone got screwed out of getting this award.
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“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
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Obama was just awarded the Gold medal for the 2016 Winter Olympics.....90 meter ski jump......
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, guess i might as well stop my training then, and that was gonna be my year! :(
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I don't get it either... I like the guy and voted for him, but besides toning down our foreign policy a bit, he has done nothing to earn this.
I haven't checked out who was in the running, but someone got screwed out of getting this award.
hopefully Kanye will have something to say about this
is glenn beck the new kanye west??
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
:shock: My immediate reaction was WTF for?!? I've known for about 15 - 20 minutes now and I'm still asking myself the same question. I like Obama and have faith that he may do some good things down the road but the fact remains his country is still occupying two other nations.
I had the same thoughts this morning when I heard the news. Which brought me to another thought, a quote of John Lennon's (Happy Birthday John!)
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it." -John Lennon
I'm not on my computer at the moment but Naomi Campbell nailed it this morning on http://www.democracynow.org I'll post what she and others had to say about this farce of award given to president Obama.
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I hear you and I don't disagree...but I do think you're discounting the Obama effect, i.e., anything attached to him is a lighting rod...
I do wonder about the criteria, sure...am I bothered or angry (like some) that he was given this award...nope...
to me, it's amazing that him being given this award is a bad thing...to me, this is just another item to discuss, beat to death, discuss, somehow make it out to be his fault, and beat to death some more...until the next thing pops up in the news cycle...
for me, I'm bit taken back by the pure anger about this...wondering is good, I respect that...I guess I was a bit taken back by being called a fool because I think those who handed out the award know more about the award than I do...thus, I'm ok with accepting it...that's all...
They will give him the award once the World Series has been played......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
when that seems to be your only criteria for accepting the decision then yes its foolish. you are allowed to disagree with the nobel committee if you see no grounds for agreeance. surely youre aware of what obamas done.or not done as the case may be, since being in office?? do you believe he deserves this award?? if so then please tell me why you think so?? that was my original question to you and you have yet to answer aside from telling me that a bunch of scandinavians must know what theyre doing so who are you to question them.
you say tis not a bad thing... then tell me why its a good thing.
im not angry but i do think its fucking ridiculous that with all the turmoil in the world obama is given this award when hes done nothing concrete and the turmoil continues. he pays lip service to the peace process. and i am not ok with accepting it.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i didn't see anyone blaming obama for this or saying it's his fault. i've seen a lot of 'what the fuck is wrong with the nobel committee' vibe though. it really undermines the credibility of what i had thought was a prestigious award.
HE DESERVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
that was on helluva jump, for sure. or, at least he said it was going to be. kudos to the olympic committe for taking his word for it and sparing all of us having to actually wait to see if he pulls it off as promised. it's so old-fashioned to expect somebody to achieve something before we congratulate them for it.
is that what he won the award for?
i'm very confused
why do you worry about my criteria...? why is it important that I justify anything to you...?
here's a some food for thought:
"He got the prize because he has been able to change the international climate," Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said. "Some people say, and I understand it, isn't it premature? Too early? Well, I'd say then that it could be too late to respond three years from now. It is now that we have the opportunity to respond — all of us."
and
Former Peace Prize winner Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, said Obama has already provided outstanding leadership in the effort to prevent nuclear proliferation.
"In less than a year in office, he has transformed the way we look at ourselves and the world we live in and rekindled hope for a world at peace with itself," ElBaradei said. "He has shown an unshakable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_nobel_peace
yes yes i read all that and other links besides. but still the question remains. what exactly has obama done to warrant this award??? what El Barradei says about obamas efforts at stopping nuclear proliferation are ridiculous. what has he done expect crap on about iran?? an unshakable commitment to diplomacy??? hmmm if by diplomacy El Barradei means rhetoric then sure obamas an absolute winner.
oh you dont have to justify yourself to me. i simply asked a question. and you seem incapable of answering. but thats ok... i guess... cause i really didnt expect you to be able to anyway.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
:yawn:
In less than a year in office, he has transformed the way we look at ourselves and the world we live in and rekindled hope for a world at peace with itself and He has shown an unshakable commitment to diplomacy, mutual respect and dialogue as the best means of resolving conflicts.
and don't forget about the beer summit...
well maybe this will actually force him to do something, anything, at all to actually affect peace.
It seemed like it was simple when Bush was President. Now that it's Obama...well....it's acceptable that things are complicated.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
who's talking about bush...? and who's saying it's "acceptable"...? I'm just saying things are so easy peazy as you make them out to be...
at least he's not talking about bombing or invading Iran...
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
No peace prize for you!!! NEXT...!
I haven't checked out who was in the running, but someone got screwed out of getting this award.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, guess i might as well stop my training then, and that was gonna be my year! :(
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
is glenn beck the new kanye west??
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it." -John Lennon
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)