Mmm Mmm Mmm Barak Hussain Obama ......

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    prfctlefts wrote:


    No real impact on their daily lives :roll: How many Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwiches did you eat when you were a kid that age. He was a world renowned scientist for gods sake he discovered hundreds of uses for the peanut. and you are gonna say what kind of impact did he have. I think when the civil rights bill was passed would be much more important IMO. But Im just white *!@$* so what the hell do I know ?
    the minute we have to get permission slips to teach kids about civics is the minute our educational system jumps the shark

    This is not teaching kids civics. It would be different if they were teaching them about the POSITION OF THE PRESIDENCY. Not singing songs about Obama or any other president for that matter. PUBLIC schools are not suppose to be doing things like this.
    it is apparent that you do not know much, and are missing my point entirely. you can attack me and dismiss or ignore the point i made about this being the most historical accomplishment in african american history all you want, i really don't care. do you know how ridiculous you sound? it says a lot about you if you believe that peanut butter is a more significant achievement than an african american winning the election, in a landslide no less. three generations ago african americans were not even allowed to vote. many people white and black died in the struggle to give them that right. i would say obama's election is 1,000,000% more significant and will have a much more significant impact on those kids and their future than a stupidass peanut butter and jelly sandwich. we are living history right now. seriously, how is a 3rd grade inner city kid (for example) going to relate to a guy that discovered uses for the peanut, when he has someone he can aspire to be like that is a good role model that is living and governing now and encouraging them to make something of themselves? someone he can watch on tv and access on youtube if he wants.

    seriously, when you were that age what did you know about the presidency? to be honest, all i knew was reagan said "Well" a lot and ate alot of jelly beans and he was the "most powerful man in the country". when i was a kid i did not know he was a wanker and that he would implement an entire economic system that has screwed the middle class from then on. all i thought is he was a nice old man. and i am sure that is what kids think today. kids do not get caught up in world affairs and politics and the issues that you have with public schools. they are KIDS. all they care about is playing with their friends and participating in class activities, which the song is a class activity.

    i will make a deal with you, i will let you say under god in the pledge of allegience in public school (which is indoctrination by the way) if you will let these kids sing the song and if you keep the military recruiters out of the schools. if you don't like it, hey send them to a private school or educate them yourself.

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  • Jasunmark wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Bull shit... if these kids were singing about George bush or any other republican president all of you would be flipping out. Teachers are not suppose to be doing this.

    Did you see Jesus Camp? Where kids were praying to a cardboard cut out of George W Bush?

    Did you see that video of he Katrina Kids singing about George Bush?

    But yet you only started to care this year.

    Hm. :?

    jesus camp is not the same as a public school and either is the katrina kids. and yet you are still dodging my Question.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Jasunmark wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Bull shit... if these kids were singing about George bush or any other republican president all of you would be flipping out. Teachers are not suppose to be doing this.

    Did you see Jesus Camp? Where kids were praying to a cardboard cut out of George W Bush?

    Did you see that video of he Katrina Kids singing about George Bush?

    But yet you only started to care this year.

    Hm. :?

    jesus camp is not the same as a public school and either is the katrina kids. and yet you are still dodging my Question.

    There is no question mark in your post... what was the question? I agree Jesus Camp isn't the same, but how are the Katrina Kids different? And how is one minute of song in one school paying tribute to the first black president in US history as part of a long 30 minute program honoring dozens of other historic black American leaders during an event for black history month that was approved by the parents... how is that some sort of massive, universal child indoctrination plan put into place by Obama?
  • My question was if these kids were singing to George bush (in a public school ) would they still feel the same about it. And not only that this is not just one isolated case. another on just popped up in Ashville N.C. Just go on you tube and you will see what Im talking about.

    Look I have no problem with a teacher Teaching children about Obama and what he has acomplished. You got that gimmiesometruth ? But when you start singing songs and politicizing in a public school it's wrong.and to be fair I don't think that Obama had anything to do with this. and from what I heard the parents didn' know about it. I could be wrong though.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    My question was if these kids were singing to George bush (in a public school ) would they still feel the same about it. And not only that this is not just one isolated case. another on just popped up in Ashville N.C. Just go on you tube and you will see what Im talking about.

    Look I have no problem with a teacher Teaching children about Obama and what he has acomplished. You got that gimmiesometruth ? But when you start singing songs and politicizing in a public school it's wrong.

    It's not politicizing though. Didn't you ever learn the alphabet song? Teachers have kids sing songs and do projects like this all the time to help them learn things. Did the fact that I was told to produce a report on the accomplishments of Charles Goodyear mean I was being indoctrinated into thinking blimps are awesome? It's a black history thing, where instead of a lecture they won't listen to the kids are encouraged to create this song/show in order to learn about black history, of which Obama is a pretty significant part. There's nothing political about it. Is it trumpeting health care reform? Calling republicans bitches? Arguing for a bureau of consumer protection and redistributing the power of the Fed? No. Because it's not political, it has nothing to do with his politics. It's just a celebration of the election of our first black president, with no comment on his policies or anything else. The song would be the same if Obama was a republican... because it's not about his politics it's about what his election means to a historically marginalized group in our society.

    And no, I wouldn't give a shit if the song had been about Dubya in the context in which these songs are being sung. That's what kids do. We sang all sorts of lame patriotic or historical tunes in my grade school, and I didn't turn into a Reagan republican or anything because of it, and that's not what anyone was trying to accomplish.
  • prfctlefts wrote:
    jesus camp is not the same as a public school and either is the katrina kids. and yet you are still dodging my Question.


    I guess you can make an argument that it's a different thing... but my point doesn't really change much.

    This was a very short little number in a much longer production about famous black people through history, the parents all approved the program and it happened months ago.

    This is just manufactured phony outrage and you know it. Kids have always learned about individual presidents, the office and historical figures without being told "this guy was good" or "this guy was bad."

    George Bush used to go into kindergarten classes and read books to the kids and nobody complained or accused him of "indoctrination." Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton.. they both went to schools to talk to kids... this is the first time anyone has ever made a stink.
  • Oh by the way soulsinging I had a blast in Chicago last month. It was my first time visiting there. I can't wait to go back cos there is so much that I didn' get to see Stayed at the W. on West Adams with Drifting. One cool Hotel.
  • prfctlefts wrote:
    My question was if these kids were singing to George bush (in a public school ) would they still feel the same about it. And not only that this is not just one isolated case. another on just popped up in Ashville N.C. Just go on you tube and you will see what Im talking about.

    Look I have no problem with a teacher Teaching children about Obama and what he has acomplished. You got that gimmiesometruth ? But when you start singing songs and politicizing in a public school it's wrong.

    It's not politicizing though. Didn't you ever learn the alphabet song? Teachers have kids sing songs and do projects like this all the time to help them learn things. Did the fact that I was told to produce a report on the accomplishments of Charles Goodyear mean I was being indoctrinated into thinking blimps are awesome? It's a black history thing, where instead of a lecture they won't listen to the kids are encouraged to create this song/show in order to learn about black history, of which Obama is a pretty significant part. There's nothing political about it. Is it trumpeting health care reform? Calling republicans bitches? Arguing for a bureau of consumer protection and redistributing the power of the Fed? No. Because it's not political, it has nothing to do with his politics. It's just a celebration of the election of our first black president, with no comment on his policies or anything else. The song would be the same if Obama was a republican... because it's not about his politics it's about what his election means to a historically marginalized group in our society.

    And no, I wouldn't give a shit if the song had been about Dubya in the context in which these songs are being sung. That's what kids do. We sang all sorts of lame patriotic or historical tunes in my grade school, and I didn't turn into a Reagan republican or anything because of it, and that's not what anyone was trying to accomplish.


    Okay well maybe Im wrong but have you actually listened to the words of some of these songs.It's not the same context that you are referring to I don't think.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Oh by the way soulsinging I had a blast in Chicago last month. It was my first time visiting there. I can't wait to go back cos there is so much that I didn' get to see Stayed at the W. on West Adams with Drifting. One cool Hotel.

    Are you serious? To be a fly on the wall for some of those conversations :) Never would've pictured you two rooming together for a weekend! Glad you enjoyed Chicago though. It is an amazing city, probably my favorite. So much to do there, especially in the summer. I had to move back to Ohio for my job, and I miss the Windy City so much already!
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    It's not politicizing though. Didn't you ever learn the alphabet song? Teachers have kids sing songs and do projects like this all the time to help them learn things. Did the fact that I was told to produce a report on the accomplishments of Charles Goodyear mean I was being indoctrinated into thinking blimps are awesome? It's a black history thing, where instead of a lecture they won't listen to the kids are encouraged to create this song/show in order to learn about black history, of which Obama is a pretty significant part. There's nothing political about it. Is it trumpeting health care reform? Calling republicans bitches? Arguing for a bureau of consumer protection and redistributing the power of the Fed? No. Because it's not political, it has nothing to do with his politics. It's just a celebration of the election of our first black president, with no comment on his policies or anything else. The song would be the same if Obama was a republican... because it's not about his politics it's about what his election means to a historically marginalized group in our society.

    And no, I wouldn't give a shit if the song had been about Dubya in the context in which these songs are being sung. That's what kids do. We sang all sorts of lame patriotic or historical tunes in my grade school, and I didn't turn into a Reagan republican or anything because of it, and that's not what anyone was trying to accomplish.

    Okay well maybe Im wrong but have you actually listened to the words of some of these songs.It's not the same context that you are referring to I don't think.

    Not very closely, I'm not much of a lyrics guy. It seemed the same canned cliches I'd expect. Are the lyircs posted anywhere to read? I can't listen to them at work.
  • Jasunmark wrote:
    the parents all approved the program and it happened months ago.

    That's not true I watched several parents on the news that were pissed off because they weren't told.
  • Not very closely, I'm not much of a lyrics guy. It seemed the same canned cliches I'd expect. Are the lyircs posted anywhere to read? I can't listen to them at work.


    I tell you what I will post them as soon as I can and then you might understand where Im coming from. or when you get a chance just go on you tube cos like I said this is not the only video out there.
  • prfctlefts wrote:
    And not only that this is not just one isolated case. another on just popped up in Ashville N.C. Just go on you tube and you will see what Im talking about.

    I've seen it.

    And it's more manufactured phony outrage.

    I kinda feel bad for you that you so desperately want to yell about something.

    It's why the "Tea Parties" are such a jumbled mess... you're all angry that you lost the election and you want to scream.. you just don't know what to scream about. It's why some people are carrying racist signs, some are going on about "socialism" or "communism" without knowing what either really mean, some carrying signs about taxes, some carrying signs about Hitler and some about Stalin, some with thinly-veiled death threats to the president... Some just random angry signs that just lash out (like the now-famous "Get a Brain Morans!" sign that's funny on about 4 levels).

    Nobody cares other than people who are desperately looking for something to care about. And this is just yet another thing in the long line of stupid petty crap for conservatives to get upset about.
  • prfctlefts wrote:
    Jasunmark wrote:
    the parents all approved the program and it happened months ago.

    That's not true I watched several parents on the news that were pissed off because they weren't told.

    Um.. the parents were pissed off that Fox News ran the video, not that the kids sang the song.

    If they cared about the song, don't you think we would have heard about it before now? I mean this happened 7 months ago.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    prfctlefts wrote:
    My question was if these kids were singing to George bush (in a public school ) would they still feel the same about it. And not only that this is not just one isolated case. another on just popped up in Ashville N.C. Just go on you tube and you will see what Im talking about.

    Look I have no problem with a teacher Teaching children about Obama and what he has acomplished. You got that gimmiesometruth ? But when you start singing songs and politicizing in a public school it's wrong.and to be fair I don't think that Obama had anything to do with this. and from what I heard the parents didn' know about it. I could be wrong though.
    why don't you address my post instead of taking a shot at me in a reply to something else? has a cat got your tongue? i would not have cared if they sang a song about w bush. like i said in my post that you apparently did not read, that they are KIDS and they can not be bothered with boring politics. at least they are learning something. face it, you have a problem with obama even being mentioned in a public school and you know it, let alone having a song sung about him. your posts make me think that you are so blinded by your hatred. why do you hate america so much? :shock:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Look dude I don't hate anybody and I sure as hell don't hate America. I dissagree with a lot of his policies. Is that ok ? or am I a racist for doing so ?
  • Jasunmark wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Jasunmark wrote:
    the parents all approved the program and it happened months ago.

    That's not true I watched several parents on the news that were pissed off because they weren't told.

    Um.. the parents were pissed off that Fox News ran the video, not that the kids sang the song.

    If they cared about the song, don't you think we would have heard about it before now? I mean this happened 7 months ago.

    If they were pissed at fox than why were they on fox saying that they were pissed off at the teacher for not asking them for their permission. Look I don't expect someone like you or most of the people on here to see anything wrong with this I was just giving my opinion.
  • prfctlefts wrote:
    If they were pissed at fox than why were they on fox saying that they were pissed off at the teacher for not asking them for their permission.


    I would have to see he video you're talking about. but the principal of the school said that the whole program had been sent to parents and that there hadn't been any negative reaction to it before or for months after.

    Look, this is one you're not going to "win." This is just more phony indignation like when Barrack Obama said "Lipstick on a pig" and everyone went ape shit that he was attacking Sarah Palin. Or when they said that he was "palling around with terrorists" because he once sat on a board with some guy who was a 60s radical 20 years before. Or when Fox News asked if the Ghetto Fist Bump was a "terrorist salute." Or that wanting to equal the tax burden between he very rich and the very poor was "socialism."

    How about when allowing people to consult a doctor about writing a Living Will was a "death panel?"

    Aren't you tired yet?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Look dude I don't hate anybody and I sure as hell don't hate America. I dissagree with a lot of his policies. Is that ok ? or am I a racist for doing so ?
    easy there trigger. i just pulled out my right wing superpatriot trump card that has been pulled on me so many times on this board. feels good doesnt it?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • prfctlefts wrote:
    I don't expect someone like you


    And there it is. You don't even fucking KNOW me but you know all about me. "Someone like you..."

    Deciding that since I'm not just swallowing whatever bullshit story you have this week that I fit into some Fox News® approved box.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Look dude I don't hate anybody and I sure as hell don't hate America. I dissagree with a lot of his policies. Is that ok ? or am I a racist for doing so ?

    That's ok. But what we don't understand is why you disagree with a harmless song being sung by a bunch of kids about him during a black history month event. That has nothing to do with his policies. I get that you really hate the guy, but this story is totally unrelated to that... you just turn purple anytime he's mentioned. And you keep coming back with your Dubya comparison, despite the fact that all of us say we wouldn't give 2 shits if some school kids sang a song about Dubya as part of some school event. It's not indoctrination. And you have yet to produce anything to remotely support the contention that that's what this is.
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Not very closely, I'm not much of a lyrics guy. It seemed the same canned cliches I'd expect. Are the lyircs posted anywhere to read? I can't listen to them at work.


    I tell you what I will post them as soon as I can and then you might understand where Im coming from. or when you get a chance just go on you tube cos like I said this is not the only video out there.


    See where you're coming from? :lol: Sorry but that will never happen with alot of the people on here.
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Jasunmark wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    I don't expect someone like you


    And there it is. You don't even fucking KNOW me but you know all about me. "Someone like you..."

    Deciding that since I'm not just swallowing whatever bullshit story you have this week that I fit into some Fox News® approved box.

    JM....Have you ever replied to anybody without throwing Foxnews in the mix. You make it sound like people with different views eat, shit, and sleeps with FN.
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Jasunmark wrote:
    prfctlefts wrote:
    And not only that this is not just one isolated case. another on just popped up in Ashville N.C. Just go on you tube and you will see what Im talking about.

    I've seen it.

    And it's more manufactured phony outrage.

    I kinda feel bad for you that you so desperately want to yell about something.

    It's why the "Tea Parties" are such a jumbled mess... you're all angry that you lost the election and you want to scream.. you just don't know what to scream about. It's why some people are carrying racist signs, some are going on about "socialism" or "communism" without knowing what either really mean, some carrying signs about taxes, some carrying signs about Hitler and some about Stalin, some with thinly-veiled death threats to the president... Some just random angry signs that just lash out (like the now-famous "Get a Brain Morans!" sign that's funny on about 4 levels).

    Nobody cares other than people who are desperately looking for something to care about. And this is just yet another thing in the long line of stupid petty crap for conservatives to get upset about.

    I know it. I'm so pissed off J. McCain isn't president!!!! When will I ever be able to sleep again. :roll:
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Maybe this might help
    Parents approve of Obama song.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gL1PcQV ... re=related
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    On another stand point there's this one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6IxvNTK ... re=related
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    mb262200 wrote:
    Maybe this might help
    Parents approve of Obama song.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gL1PcQV ... re=related
    ...
    Here are the lyrics to that song:
    "He said that all must lend a hand
    To make this country strong again
    Mmm, mmm, mm!
    Barack Hussein Obama

    He said we must be fair today
    Equal work means equal pay
    Mmm, mmm, mm!
    Barack Hussein Obama

    He said that we must take a stand
    To make sure everyone gets a chance
    Mmm, mmm, mm!
    Barack Hussein Obama

    He said red, yellow, black or white
    All are equal in his sight"
    ...
    I'm interested... which of the lyrics do you oppose?
    Is it the "He said that all must lend a hand To make this country strong again"?
    or the "He said we must be fair today Equal work means equal pay"?
    maybe "He said that we must take a stand To make sure everyone gets a chance"?
    I'm guessing it's "He said red, yellow, black or white, All are equal in his sight".
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • OK maybe it's because I'm Canadian and I'm slow... but where is the endorsement of his policies and indoctrination in that?

    It's just some silly poem about the president. It would easily have been "George Walker Bush." What's the big deal?
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Jasunmark wrote:
    OK maybe it's because I'm Canadian and I'm slow... but where is the endorsement of his policies and indoctrination in that?

    It's just some silly poem about the president. It would easily have been "George Walker Bush." What's the big deal?
    ...
    That's my opinion... a really lame song... like every other lame song that I had to sing when I was a fourth grader. I can see if there was a verse about a Public Option for Health Care... or justification for escalating the War In Afghanistan... then, yeah, a big issue. but, since it's not there... no big fucking deal.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    Cosmo wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    Maybe this might help
    Parents approve of Obama song.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gL1PcQV ... re=related
    ...
    Here are the lyrics to that song:
    "He said that all must lend a hand
    To make this country strong again
    Mmm, mmm, mm!
    Barack Hussein Obama

    He said we must be fair today
    Equal work means equal pay
    Mmm, mmm, mm!
    Barack Hussein Obama

    He said that we must take a stand
    To make sure everyone gets a chance
    Mmm, mmm, mm!
    Barack Hussein Obama

    He said red, yellow, black or white
    All are equal in his sight"
    ...
    I'm interested... which of the lyrics do you oppose?
    Is it the "He said that all must lend a hand To make this country strong again"?
    or the "He said we must be fair today Equal work means equal pay"?
    maybe "He said that we must take a stand To make sure everyone gets a chance"?
    I'm guessing it's "He said red, yellow, black or white, All are equal in his sight".

    I never said I oppose this song. I said I oppose the movie "STUFF" that is being shown in classrooms because it's full of lies. I put these videos on to try to help with an arguement between prfctleft and someone else. Personally, I don't really see the big deal, I think the couple of parents that are upset about it are radical rights. If I did oppose this song earlier i got confused between this song and the movie. Now go ahead....I know a remark about being confused is coming.
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