That was pretty uncalled for. I wasn't attacking anyone...don't know why you felt a need to do so with me.
Because I'm an irritable asshole who's sick of dealing with crybaby conservatards.
If there is just one child whose parents do not want them to be taught that Obama is an inspirational figure, then that decision should be respected.
Oh for fuck's sake. Does that also mean that before they teach about George Washington or Plato that they should take a poll of all the parents to see how they want the education to be skewed?
2-I said the "dear leader" what most people would recognise as a reference to how children are taught to view various radical leaders, in this instance I was thinking of Fidel and Raul.
You're comparing Barrack Obama o Fidel Castro now? Jesus. :roll:
3-You can teach about government without making it political. In the sense of 'choose a side' type politics, like what is being heavily debated in this, and many other forums amoung adults.
And how is singing a song about the president "choosing a side?"
5-During the campaign, and directly after being elected, Obama kept talking about how he wanted children as young as 5 to be taught what sex is in school.
Except no... he didn't. He said that children should be taught about how to avoid sexual predators. If you want to debate, please at least open a book, Google a little and learn a few basic facts, people.
he clearly stated it would include teaching them what sex was...I cannot recall the exact words he used to sugar coat the description, if anyone could provide that?
Provide it yourself if you want to make statements like that.
You do know that what he spoke of in the campaign was that children should be educated on sexual predators so they know how to avoid being victims, right? Right? You're smart enough to know that, right?
Again with an unnecessary tone. Are you guys incapable of a mature discussion?
Yes I am fully aware it was to do with sexual predators, but he clearly stated it would include teaching them what sex was...I cannot recall the exact words he used to sugar coat the description, if anyone could provide that?
Yes. That's a typical thing for a candidate to say. I want to teach your 5 year old about sex. What about that sounds like something a winning candidate would say?
You do know that what he spoke of in the campaign was that children should be educated on sexual predators so they know how to avoid being victims, right? Right? You're smart enough to know that, right?
Again with an unnecessary tone. Are you guys incapable of a mature discussion?
Yes I am fully aware it was to do with sexual predators, but he clearly stated it would include teaching them what sex was...I cannot recall the exact words he used to sugar coat the description, if anyone could provide that?
Yes. That's a typical thing for a candidate to say. I want to teach your 5 year old about sex. What about that sounds like something a winning candidate would say?
What doesn't? All liberals are borderline sex obsessed perverts... they want 5 year olds hearing about sex so they cn start working their insidious gay agenda on good Christian chidlren, duh :roll:
Wow, that's your response? Your rebuttal? With this kind of compelling insight and debate skill, I don't know how we all haven't been swayed by the iron clad logic and evidence of the fox news proponents. Maybe we ought to add an emoticon of a face with fingers in ears singing "lalalala, I can't hear you!"
You do know that what he spoke of in the campaign was that children should be educated on sexual predators so they know how to avoid being victims, right? Right? You're smart enough to know that, right?
Again with an unnecessary tone. Are you guys incapable of a mature discussion?
Yes I am fully aware it was to do with sexual predators, but he clearly stated it would include teaching them what sex was...I cannot recall the exact words he used to sugar coat the description, if anyone could provide that?
Thats all they do on this site is attack attack attack, it's like they're nervous or angry about something.
You do know that what he spoke of in the campaign was that children should be educated on sexual predators so they know how to avoid being victims, right? Right? You're smart enough to know that, right?
Again with an unnecessary tone. Are you guys incapable of a mature discussion?
Yes I am fully aware it was to do with sexual predators, but he clearly stated it would include teaching them what sex was...I cannot recall the exact words he used to sugar coat the description, if anyone could provide that?
Thats all they do on this site is attack attack attack, it's like they're nervous or angry about something.
Wow, that's your response? Your rebuttal? With this kind of compelling insight and debate skill, I don't know how we all haven't been swayed by the iron clad logic and evidence of the fox news proponents. Maybe we ought to add an emoticon of a face with fingers in ears singing "lalalala, I can't hear you!"
Thats my response because usually JM isn't even worthy of a response but I will anyways. Anybody with a shred of common sense knows that it takes generations to grow forests, and anybody with a shred of common sense knows that we have been planting forests for generations. You see it's like a cycle if I must spell it out. We are already logging man made forests that were planted a generation ago and when we're gone people will be logging forests that were also man made. Go wipe your ass with a piece of plastic if you don't like it. It's like bitching about global warming and then people climb in there SUV's and go for a ride.....gimmme a break.
Wow, that's your response? Your rebuttal? With this kind of compelling insight and debate skill, I don't know how we all haven't been swayed by the iron clad logic and evidence of the fox news proponents. Maybe we ought to add an emoticon of a face with fingers in ears singing "lalalala, I can't hear you!"
Thats my response because usually JM isn't even worthy of a response but I will anyways. Anybody with a shred of common sense knows that it takes generations to grow forests, and anybody with a shred of common sense knows that we have been planting forests for generations. You see it's like a cycle if I must spell it out. We are already logging man made forests that were planted a generation ago and when we're gone people will be logging forests that were also man made. Go wipe your ass with a piece of plastic if you don't like it. It's like bitching about global warming and then people climb in there SUV's and go for a ride.....gimmme a break.
Thats all they do on this site is attack attack attack, it's like they're nervous or angry about something.
I just have a couple of questions for the posters that think this is no big deal.
1. If these kids were singing this same song but instead it was about G.Bush or any other Republican president would you still think that it was no big deal ?
2.The teacher that submitted the song said that she was just teaching the kids about Black history month. If that was the case than why not write a song about F. Douglas, G.W.Carver,or H. Tubman ?
Teacher's cannot be politicizing or educational system and especially in public schools. This is not the only video out there just go to you tube and you will see that there are several others. I personally think this is total indoctrination and that it's wrong.
1. If these kids were singing this same song but instead it was about G.Bush or any other Republican president would you still think that it was no big deal ?
That's already happened. "The Katrina Kids" were a big huge kids choir that sang the praises of Bush et al over the New Orleans disaster. It played for comedic value on Bill Maher for how silly it was but there was no uproar or big huge stinking excessive deal made about it. Just a few rolled eyes, especially since the kids in question were mostly homeless because of he inaction of FEMA and the White House in the whole ordeal.
I personally think this is total indoctrination and that it's wrong.
And I think you're looking for something to make a stink about. This is just a few kids singing a song. When I was in first grade, my class sent a letter to Gerald Ford who was president at the time and he sent us back a beautifully-written letter that he signed himself. We hung it up on the wall and thought it was cool that the president saw a picture of us. Nobody said he was trying to "indoctrinate" us.
When George Bush was reading "My Pet Goat" to school kids there were no freakouts about "Indoctrination" or "politicizing school rooms." Presidents have always staged photo ops with school kids. But it's only once we get a popular black president that people are suddenly screaming holy hell. Wonder why that is.
I just have a couple of questions for the posters that think this is no big deal.
1. If these kids were singing this same song but instead it was about G.Bush or any other Republican president would you still think that it was no big deal ?
2.The teacher that submitted the song said that she was just teaching the kids about Black history month. If that was the case than why not write a song about F. Douglas, G.W.Carver,or H. Tubman ?
Teacher's cannot be politicizing or educational system and especially in public schools. This is not the only video out there just go to you tube and you will see that there are several others. I personally think this is total indoctrination and that it's wrong.
could it be that we are EXPERIENCING history right now? i dunno, how is a kid going to relate to george washington carver when what he did has no real impact on their daily life? obama is the first african american president. to me and alot of people that is the most historical and important moment in all of african american history.
the minute we have to get permission slips to teach kids about civics is the minute our educational system jumps the shark. you don't like it, homeschool your kid. its that simple. oh wait, the neil boortz and hannitys of the world have probably already told you that.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I just have a couple of questions for the posters that think this is no big deal.
1. If these kids were singing this same song but instead it was about G.Bush or any other Republican president would you still think that it was no big deal ?
2.The teacher that submitted the song said that she was just teaching the kids about Black history month. If that was the case than why not write a song about F. Douglas, G.W.Carver,or H. Tubman ?
Teacher's cannot be politicizing or educational system and especially in public schools. This is not the only video out there just go to you tube and you will see that there are several others. I personally think this is total indoctrination and that it's wrong.
my answer via John Stewart via the huffington post...
Bull shit... if these kids were singing about George bush or any other republican president all of you would be flipping out. Teachers are not suppose to be doing this.
i dunno, how is a kid going to relate to george washington carver when what he did has no real impact on their daily life? obama is the first african american president. to me and alot of people that is the most historical and important moment in all of african american history.
No real impact on their daily lives :roll: How many Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwiches did you eat when you were a kid that age. He was a world renowned scientist for gods sake he discovered hundreds of uses for the peanut. and you are gonna say what kind of impact did he have. I think when the civil rights bill was passed would be much more important IMO. But Im just white *!@$* so what the hell do I know ?
the minute we have to get permission slips to teach kids about civics is the minute our educational system jumps the shark
This is not teaching kids civics. It would be different if they were teaching them about the POSITION OF THE PRESIDENCY. Not singing songs about Obama or any other president for that matter. PUBLIC schools are not suppose to be doing things like this.
Bull shit... if these kids were singing about George bush or any other republican president all of you would be flipping out. Teachers are not suppose to be doing this.
Did you see Jesus Camp? Where kids were praying to a cardboard cut out of George W Bush?
Did you see that video of he Katrina Kids singing about George Bush?
I just have a couple of questions for the posters that think this is no big deal.
1. If these kids were singing this same song but instead it was about G.Bush or any other Republican president would you still think that it was no big deal ?
2.The teacher that submitted the song said that she was just teaching the kids about Black history month. If that was the case than why not write a song about F. Douglas, G.W.Carver,or H. Tubman ?
Teacher's cannot be politicizing or educational system and especially in public schools. This is not the only video out there just go to you tube and you will see that there are several others. I personally think this is total indoctrination and that it's wrong.
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Answers:
1. Not a big deal to me... unless the lyrics to the song were about joining the Army to travel across the planet to kill brown people.
2. As stated before... this IS historic.
As for your comments... I agree, teachers should NOT be indoctrinating 3rd graders to their political ideology. But, they should at least teach the kids who the President of their country is... and what President means... in 3rd grader terms.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
i dunno, how is a kid going to relate to george washington carver when what he did has no real impact on their daily life? obama is the first african american president. to me and alot of people that is the most historical and important moment in all of african american history.
No real impact on their daily lives :roll: How many Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwiches did you eat when you were a kid that age. He was a world renowned scientist for gods sake he discovered hundreds of uses for the peanut. and you are gonna say what kind of impact did he have. I think when the civil rights bill was passed would be much more important IMO. But Im just white *!@$* so what the hell do I know ?
prfectlefts, i'm getting really, really, tired of you going on about that and it's not a good idea to try and bait people. you already reported the post 4 days ago remember. no one but YOU has mentioned it since. get over it and stop trying to inflame the situation.
and i agree with cosmos post. my sentiments exactly.
i dunno, how is a kid going to relate to george washington carver when what he did has no real impact on their daily life? obama is the first african american president. to me and alot of people that is the most historical and important moment in all of african american history.
No real impact on their daily lives :roll: How many Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwiches did you eat when you were a kid that age. He was a world renowned scientist for gods sake he discovered hundreds of uses for the peanut. and you are gonna say what kind of impact did he have. I think when the civil rights bill was passed would be much more important IMO. But Im just white *!@$* so what the hell do I know ?
the minute we have to get permission slips to teach kids about civics is the minute our educational system jumps the shark
This is not teaching kids civics. It would be different if they were teaching them about the POSITION OF THE PRESIDENCY. Not singing songs about Obama or any other president for that matter. PUBLIC schools are not suppose to be doing things like this.
Bull shit... if these kids were singing about George bush or any other republican president all of you would be flipping out. Teachers are not suppose to be doing this.
Did you see Jesus Camp? Where kids were praying to a cardboard cut out of George W Bush?
Did you see that video of he Katrina Kids singing about George Bush?
But yet you only started to care this year.
Hm. :?
Haven't seen them. But were there teachers telling them to do it? Just asking
Yup, and god for bid if they say the word GOD during the Pledge of Aliegance to the Flag. I think that's a big no-no these days also. That's o.k., when my daughter starts school i'll tell her to say it loud and say it proud.
Yup, and god for bid if they say the word GOD during the Pledge of Aliegance to the Flag. I think that's a big no-no these days also. That's o.k., when my daughter starts school i'll tell her to say it loud and say it proud.
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"I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with Liberty and Justice for All."
The key word being 'ALL'... as in all of us people (the author was a Socialist).
You might want to have your daughter include the salute that originally went along with the pledge: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _salue.jpg
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That was the original pledge... look it up and see for yourself.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Bull shit... if these kids were singing about George bush or any other republican president all of you would be flipping out. Teachers are not suppose to be doing this.
Did you see Jesus Camp? Where kids were praying to a cardboard cut out of George W Bush?
Did you see that video of he Katrina Kids singing about George Bush?
But yet you only started to care this year.
Hm. :?
I've noticed this is a recurring thing amongst the right... from the teabaggers to the sudden concern of "indoctrinating" our kids. :roll:
Yup, and god for bid if they say the word GOD during the Pledge of Aliegance to the Flag. I think that's a big no-no these days also. That's o.k., when my daughter starts school i'll tell her to say it loud and say it proud.
Let's make a deal. I'll stop my pathetic whining about under god if you stop your pathetic whining about grade schoolers singing a song about the first black president. deal?
Haven't seen them. But were there teachers telling them to do it? Just asking
Um.. yeah..?
Look, I know you're terrified that the kids won't buy your big bag of bullshit.. But that's just possibly going to happen. If you were just fine with the President reading books to kids 8 years ago, you'll have to be OK with the president giving speeches to them now. If you were OK with kids singing songs about Dubya and Hurricane Katrina, you'll have to deal with kids singing songs about Obama and "yes we can."
Yup, and god for bid if they say the word GOD during the Pledge of Aliegance to the Flag.
Another Bullshit lie from you. There are no schools where they don't say "One Nation Under God," even though tha was added to appease you people in the 1950s... it's not part of the original pledge.
i dunno, how is a kid going to relate to george washington carver when what he did has no real impact on their daily life? obama is the first african american president. to me and alot of people that is the most historical and important moment in all of african american history.
No real impact on their daily lives :roll: How many Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwiches did you eat when you were a kid that age. He was a world renowned scientist for gods sake he discovered hundreds of uses for the peanut. and you are gonna say what kind of impact did he have. I think when the civil rights bill was passed would be much more important IMO. But Im just white *!@$* so what the hell do I know ?
the minute we have to get permission slips to teach kids about civics is the minute our educational system jumps the shark
This is not teaching kids civics. It would be different if they were teaching them about the POSITION OF THE PRESIDENCY. Not singing songs about Obama or any other president for that matter. PUBLIC schools are not suppose to be doing things like this.
it is apparent that you do not know much, and are missing my point entirely. you can attack me and dismiss or ignore the point i made about this being the most historical accomplishment in african american history all you want, i really don't care. do you know how ridiculous you sound? it says a lot about you if you believe that peanut butter is a more significant achievement than an african american winning the election, in a landslide no less. three generations ago african americans were not even allowed to vote. many people white and black died in the struggle to give them that right. i would say obama's election is 1,000,000% more significant and will have a much more significant impact on those kids and their future than a stupidass peanut butter and jelly sandwich. we are living history right now. seriously, how is a 3rd grade inner city kid (for example) going to relate to a guy that discovered uses for the peanut, when he has someone he can aspire to be like that is a good role model that is living and governing now and encouraging them to make something of themselves? someone he can watch on tv and access on youtube if he wants.
seriously, when you were that age what did you know about the presidency? to be honest, all i knew was reagan said "Well" a lot and ate alot of jelly beans and he was the "most powerful man in the country". when i was a kid i did not know he was a wanker and that he would implement an entire economic system that has screwed the middle class from then on. all i thought is he was a nice old man. and i am sure that is what kids think today. kids do not get caught up in world affairs and politics and the issues that you have with public schools. they are KIDS. all they care about is playing with their friends and participating in class activities, which the song is a class activity.
i will make a deal with you, i will let you say under god in the pledge of allegience in public school (which is indoctrination by the way) if you will let these kids sing the song and if you keep the military recruiters out of the schools. if you don't like it, hey send them to a private school or educate them yourself.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
What's so funny is that the phony indignation machine has crash-landed into the wall...
Parents were given the words ahead of time and they all approved it... This was MONTHS ago for Black History month.. nobody cared and it was a 1-minute part of a half-hour program about famous black people in history.
I think we can all agree that the first black president is going to be "famous" for a while.
I said it in my first post in this thread and I'm declaring myself "right."
Haven't seen them. But were there teachers telling them to do it? Just asking
Um.. yeah..?
Look, I know you're terrified that the kids won't buy your big bag of bullshit.. But that's just possibly going to happen. If you were just fine with the President reading books to kids 8 years ago, you'll have to be OK with the president giving speeches to them now. If you were OK with kids singing songs about Dubya and Hurricane Katrina, you'll have to deal with kids singing songs about Obama and "yes we can."
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Because I'm an irritable asshole who's sick of dealing with crybaby conservatards.
Oh for fuck's sake. Does that also mean that before they teach about George Washington or Plato that they should take a poll of all the parents to see how they want the education to be skewed?
You're comparing Barrack Obama o Fidel Castro now? Jesus. :roll:
And how is singing a song about the president "choosing a side?"
Except no... he didn't. He said that children should be taught about how to avoid sexual predators. If you want to debate, please at least open a book, Google a little and learn a few basic facts, people.
no when you shovel the shit like this...
Provide it yourself if you want to make statements like that.
Yes. That's a typical thing for a candidate to say. I want to teach your 5 year old about sex. What about that sounds like something a winning candidate would say?
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
What doesn't? All liberals are borderline sex obsessed perverts... they want 5 year olds hearing about sex so they cn start working their insidious gay agenda on good Christian chidlren, duh :roll:
Wow, that's your response? Your rebuttal? With this kind of compelling insight and debate skill, I don't know how we all haven't been swayed by the iron clad logic and evidence of the fox news proponents. Maybe we ought to add an emoticon of a face with fingers in ears singing "lalalala, I can't hear you!"
Thats all they do on this site is attack attack attack, it's like they're nervous or angry about something.
thanks for playing...
Thats my response because usually JM isn't even worthy of a response but I will anyways. Anybody with a shred of common sense knows that it takes generations to grow forests, and anybody with a shred of common sense knows that we have been planting forests for generations. You see it's like a cycle if I must spell it out. We are already logging man made forests that were planted a generation ago and when we're gone people will be logging forests that were also man made. Go wipe your ass with a piece of plastic if you don't like it. It's like bitching about global warming and then people climb in there SUV's and go for a ride.....gimmme a break.
Thats all they do on this site is attack attack attack, it's like they're nervous or angry about something.
1. If these kids were singing this same song but instead it was about G.Bush or any other Republican president would you still think that it was no big deal ?
2.The teacher that submitted the song said that she was just teaching the kids about Black history month. If that was the case than why not write a song about F. Douglas, G.W.Carver,or H. Tubman ?
Teacher's cannot be politicizing or educational system and especially in public schools. This is not the only video out there just go to you tube and you will see that there are several others. I personally think this is total indoctrination and that it's wrong.
That's already happened. "The Katrina Kids" were a big huge kids choir that sang the praises of Bush et al over the New Orleans disaster. It played for comedic value on Bill Maher for how silly it was but there was no uproar or big huge stinking excessive deal made about it. Just a few rolled eyes, especially since the kids in question were mostly homeless because of he inaction of FEMA and the White House in the whole ordeal.
And I think you're looking for something to make a stink about. This is just a few kids singing a song. When I was in first grade, my class sent a letter to Gerald Ford who was president at the time and he sent us back a beautifully-written letter that he signed himself. We hung it up on the wall and thought it was cool that the president saw a picture of us. Nobody said he was trying to "indoctrinate" us.
When George Bush was reading "My Pet Goat" to school kids there were no freakouts about "Indoctrination" or "politicizing school rooms." Presidents have always staged photo ops with school kids. But it's only once we get a popular black president that people are suddenly screaming holy hell. Wonder why that is.
the minute we have to get permission slips to teach kids about civics is the minute our educational system jumps the shark. you don't like it, homeschool your kid. its that simple. oh wait, the neil boortz and hannitys of the world have probably already told you that.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
my answer via John Stewart via the huffington post...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/2 ... 02653.html
No real impact on their daily lives :roll: How many Peanut Butter & Jelly sandwiches did you eat when you were a kid that age. He was a world renowned scientist for gods sake he discovered hundreds of uses for the peanut. and you are gonna say what kind of impact did he have. I think when the civil rights bill was passed would be much more important IMO. But Im just white *!@$* so what the hell do I know ?
This is not teaching kids civics. It would be different if they were teaching them about the POSITION OF THE PRESIDENCY. Not singing songs about Obama or any other president for that matter. PUBLIC schools are not suppose to be doing things like this.
Did you see Jesus Camp? Where kids were praying to a cardboard cut out of George W Bush?
Did you see that video of he Katrina Kids singing about George Bush?
But yet you only started to care this year.
Hm. :?
Answers:
1. Not a big deal to me... unless the lyrics to the song were about joining the Army to travel across the planet to kill brown people.
2. As stated before... this IS historic.
As for your comments... I agree, teachers should NOT be indoctrinating 3rd graders to their political ideology. But, they should at least teach the kids who the President of their country is... and what President means... in 3rd grader terms.
Hail, Hail!!!
and i agree with cosmos post. my sentiments exactly.
Well Said
Haven't seen them. But were there teachers telling them to do it? Just asking
Yup, and god for bid if they say the word GOD during the Pledge of Aliegance to the Flag. I think that's a big no-no these days also. That's o.k., when my daughter starts school i'll tell her to say it loud and say it proud.
"I Pledge Allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible with Liberty and Justice for All."
The key word being 'ALL'... as in all of us people (the author was a Socialist).
You might want to have your daughter include the salute that originally went along with the pledge:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _salue.jpg
...
That was the original pledge... look it up and see for yourself.
Hail, Hail!!!
I've noticed this is a recurring thing amongst the right... from the teabaggers to the sudden concern of "indoctrinating" our kids. :roll:
Let's make a deal. I'll stop my pathetic whining about under god if you stop your pathetic whining about grade schoolers singing a song about the first black president. deal?
Um.. yeah..?
Look, I know you're terrified that the kids won't buy your big bag of bullshit.. But that's just possibly going to happen. If you were just fine with the President reading books to kids 8 years ago, you'll have to be OK with the president giving speeches to them now. If you were OK with kids singing songs about Dubya and Hurricane Katrina, you'll have to deal with kids singing songs about Obama and "yes we can."
Another Bullshit lie from you. There are no schools where they don't say "One Nation Under God," even though tha was added to appease you people in the 1950s... it's not part of the original pledge.
seriously, when you were that age what did you know about the presidency? to be honest, all i knew was reagan said "Well" a lot and ate alot of jelly beans and he was the "most powerful man in the country". when i was a kid i did not know he was a wanker and that he would implement an entire economic system that has screwed the middle class from then on. all i thought is he was a nice old man. and i am sure that is what kids think today. kids do not get caught up in world affairs and politics and the issues that you have with public schools. they are KIDS. all they care about is playing with their friends and participating in class activities, which the song is a class activity.
i will make a deal with you, i will let you say under god in the pledge of allegience in public school (which is indoctrination by the way) if you will let these kids sing the song and if you keep the military recruiters out of the schools. if you don't like it, hey send them to a private school or educate them yourself.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Parents were given the words ahead of time and they all approved it... This was MONTHS ago for Black History month.. nobody cared and it was a 1-minute part of a half-hour program about famous black people in history.
I think we can all agree that the first black president is going to be "famous" for a while.
I said it in my first post in this thread and I'm declaring myself "right."
This is petty crap.
yeah.....i'm terrified :roll: