First time in my life I was not a proud fan of this band...

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  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    josevolution wrote:
    who what !@#$%^& people get upset over a commercial oh my i'm embarrased :oops: to be here amongst the clueless, who cares, why care. surely you have more important things to get upset over no ?,healthcare ,welfare,warfare,please tell me you do :roll: :roll: .....
    Sadly you can't have even this rational of a conversation with people about health care, welfare, wars, etc... this is easier. ;)
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    slightofjeff wrote:

    Well, to be fair, the video was pretty crappy, too. :)

    ok, i get that.
    of course if you didn't like the video you wouldn't like the commercial.

    Well, the commercial is shorter. So it has *that* going for it. :lol:

    Honestly, my opinion on the video/commercial has always been: Yeah, it's not great. I'm not sure it was really supposed to be. It's a video most of the world will never see on TV, and a commercial that will be gone in a week. It is what it is. It's not a great piece of art, but it's harmless.
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  • cannotstaylong
    cannotstaylong Posts: 668
    MAS wrote:
    What was always so cool about this band was that they did things on their own terms, without any real promotion. Especially not by jumping into bed with a huge co. like Target. Why didn't thay use this marketing ploy for No Code, Yield, Binaural, or any other album for that matter? It just put a bad taste in my mouth....

    This was on their own terms. All of it was. They didn't do this before because they didn't have to; they were with a major label that did the bulk of the promoting for them. Now they don't have a large company doing that for them. They had to promote, there's no question there. The question was with or through whom. They chose Target. Ed has said numerous times that they decided that Target would allow them to get what they believed was due to them for the music, while also giving the fans the best access to the music at a reasonable price. It doesn't get anymore "on their own terms" than that. They could have gone to Best Buy, they could have gone to Walmart, hell, they could have sold the thing exclusively at Starbucks. But they didn't, they chose Target because that's what they felt was best. If you sit there and think they could have made any semblance of money off of this record by selling it solely through indie stores.... you're whistlin' Dixie my friend.
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  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    decides2dream wrote:


    i got lost with the thread title....i have no comprehension of being "proud" of being a fan, of anything really....b/c what do you have to be proud of? you've got nothing to do with it! so seems misplaced pride at best. :lol:

    i see what you're saying.
    what about being proud of what the members of pj have stood up for?
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    decides2dream wrote:


    i got lost with the thread title....i have no comprehension of being "proud" of being a fan, of anything really....b/c what do you have to be proud of? you've got nothing to do with it! so seems misplaced pride at best. :lol:

    i see what you're saying.
    what about being proud of what the members of pj have stood up for?


    but why should we be proud? i still think it's the wrong term. admire and respect them for it, sure...but given the fact that i am not their mommy :), nor (sadly) their S.O. ;)......yea...i have nothing to do with any of it, thus.....why pride? just how my mind works.....
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  • troubled_soul
    troubled_soul Posts: 56
    Does it really matter what the band does, other than the music? When you put on your headphones and press play, its just you and the music.
  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    slightofjeff wrote:

    Well, the commercial is shorter. So it has *that* going for it. :lol:

    ha!
    a commercial that will be gone in a week. It is what it is. It's not a great piece of art, but it's harmless.

    exactlly.
    it's not art it's not supposed to be. it's a selling mechanism.
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  • drsluggo
    drsluggo Posts: 4,742
    troubled_soul wrote:
    Does it really matter what the band does, other than the music? When you put on your headphones and press play, its just you and the music.
    The band has made a point of making their causes and beliefs a large part of the whole Pearl Jam experience/persona/whatever. I think that's why people tend to care...
  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    i agree amire and respect. those are better terms.


    troubled_soul wrote:
    Does it really matter what the band does, other than the music? When you put on your headphones and press play, its just you and the music.

    Apparently it does by the looks of this thread.
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    i agree amire and respect. those are better terms.

    i'm a semantics junkie. :geek:


    troubled_soul wrote:
    Does it really matter what the band does, other than the music? When you put on your headphones and press play, its just you and the music.
    blondieblue227 wrote:
    Apparently it does by the looks of this thread.


    :mrgreen:
    this thread? 98% of this forum! :lol:
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  • MAS
    MAS Posts: 630
    . If you sit there and think they could have made any semblance of money off of this record by selling it solely through indie stores.... you're whistlin' Dixie my friend.[/quote]

    That's my point.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    MAS wrote:
    Was last night when I saw their Target commercial....It was as cheesey as it gets. I never thought I would see the day. Oh well....


    i personally thought it was an absolute masterpiece
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    dunkman wrote:
    MAS wrote:
    Was last night when I saw their Target commercial....It was as cheesey as it gets. I never thought I would see the day. Oh well....


    i personally thought it was an absolute masterpiece

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
  • bigbadbill
    bigbadbill Posts: 1,758
    I'm proud of the band for doing business the way they think is best for themselves and their fans. If it means "selling out" a bit to self-promote Backspacer, fine. At least they don't have Pearl Jam action figures. Not yet, at least.
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  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    Who cares about a silly commercial? I saw Pearl Jam blow the roof off the Key two nights in a row and I felt proud as hell to be a Pearl Jam fan last night when they all took a bow and said goodbye.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    ShepaDorje wrote:
    It is all how you look at it. I guess you could view it as a "sellout" but it would be pretty ignorant. The band owns themselves and that is simply not the case with any major act or band. I see it as them rising above the machine using it, and truthfully everyone in America has access to target. Its totally funny, this is one band that has never danced like monkeys on a string and yet gets harped on by sixties burnouts looking superficially at them as "sellouts". :lol: . It ain't the 60's no mo peeps! :lol:

    when one uses the machine one does not rise above it. one becomes a part of that machine.

    i dont give a rats arse how the band promotes its shit. not even when in doing so they promote a major corporation. thats their choice. but what i dont have to do is like it.

    i dont consider it selling out cause that would require them having something to sellout from and as far as i can remember theyve always been aligned with major corporations so...
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    i dig the commercial.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    soulsinging wrote:
    i dig the commercial.

    even the cheesy fake cheering??? :mrgreen:
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  • CantKeepmedown
    CantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 3,121
    My buddy, who is 3 years older than me and really got me into PJ back when Ten came out (I was 15 and he was 18), texted me the other night, saying, "Did I just see Pearl Jam in a fucking Target commercial?!!?!" I wrote back and told him that yes, it was weird to see, but the album is fantastic. He's admittedly fallen out of the PJ loop, probably since Vitalogy. We see each other 1-2 times a year and he always asks if I'm still a big fan.

    He called me last night and said that he went out to Target to buy the album and he can't stop listening to it. He's right back into it, like a born-again fan.

    So I know of at least one person for whom the commercial caused to go out and get the album.
  • asktheaxis
    asktheaxis Posts: 28
    The stupid part of this debate is that people feel it is selling out because the band are no longer doing things "on their own terms", which simply isn't true. You think that they were able to do things on their own terms in the past, when they were signed to a major label? Getting a dollar per CD, no matter where it's sold. This time around they had much more control - they didn't have to grovel for help from retailers - Target (and others) had to give the band proposals they were satisfied with otherwise THEY would miss out on business - so who had the control this time around? By dealing with Target (plus Independent Stores) who exactly is missing out? The only group I can think of are the other retailers but there is no reason for fans to care about that. Does it really matter that Target is getting it instead of Walmart or whatever other US retailer would usually have it as well?

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