Exactly and how is signing up to do this with one of the major cell phone carriers to distribute your music in 2008 any different from signing to one of the major record labels (Sony Epic) in 1990 to distribute their music?
to be fair, they were signed before ed was in the band...
and i agree with the original poster that its bullshit, but i'm starting to get used to the "new" pearl jam. still love em!
Well Eddie circa 1991, would probably lose his mind here in 2008, he'd probably punch everyone in the throat...Radio is disappearing...the Bad Music Monster has given birth to American Idol, and apparently David Archuleta has a record deal...Whatever that even means nowdays.
However, the fact remains, it is a changing world. While I struggle to comprehend how some people have abandoned CD's altogether, storing their whole music collections on hard-drives, it is a fact, that is what some folks do. And some folks, apparently young ones, like to get their music through their phone as opposed to stopping by the local ma & pa record store...I don't get it, but it is a fact of 2008. Bottom line is that Artists have to get into the collective awareness, and that is harder to do these days, not just because of technology, but also because of the un-natural focus and obsession with the culture of 16 year olds that has taken hold of our world.
Personally...all I care about is that the band get whatever they need to continue being who they are. The best band in the world. If they make money , so be it...they make money wih every other endeavor they are involved with too.
I thought it was obscene that they went all digital download a few years back. Now I'm pissed that I'll have to wait two weeks for those downloads.
As a matter of fact, I'll just wait the extra week and get shows on disc. Yes, a physical disc...god, that takes me back. The more things change....
Here's the difference between early 90s Pearl Jam and now.
In the early 90s, they were the biggest band in the world and didn't want to be. So they wanted to avoid anything that might continue to maintain their status as the biggest band in the world. They didn't stop doing videos because they hated videos. They did it because of what it would lead to.
In this day and age, that danger is gone. No matter what they do, they aren't going to be the biggest band in the world anymore, and they aren't going to have to deal with all the baggage that comes with that.
So why not play the game? It makes no sense not to.
I mean, you're really pissed off that Pearl Jam would do this? Why exactly? How does it hurt you if their music is available the day after a show via cell phone? Are you mad that it's through Verizon, a "large evil corporation" and not Billy Bob's Cell Phone Service?
That just seems silly to me.
People need to get over their anti-corporation bullshit. If Pearl Jam were to play, say, a birthday party for Ken Lay (RIP), then maybe you'd have a beef. But not here. Not now.
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yeah but 1992 Ed would probably get a boner when he learns that Matt Cameron ends up joining Pearl Jam.
Ok...we can stop here because the truth has been spoken.
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to be fair, they were signed before ed was in the band...
and i agree with the original poster that its bullshit, but i'm starting to get used to the "new" pearl jam. still love em!
That's fine the point still stands though since Ed joined a band that were singed to a record label of a major corporation back in the early 90's and that is really no different then signing up with a major cell phone corporation in 2008. Obviously his hatred of major corporations back then wasn't enough to stop him from joining the band. Hell the company they signed with back 1990, Sony, even makes cell phones.
$16.99 CD version plus more expensive ticket prices=finally selling out. I know the band will continue dong it no matter what i say so before you say, well then don't go to the concernt and don't buy the bootlegs, don't worry. I don't plan on doing either. Maybe now they can all go buy another home in the hills or on the beach or whatever...good for them. They certainly arent the band I knew from the mid 90's. I mean hooking up with Verizon??? I am actually shocked...thumbs down..way down
$16.99 CD version plus more expensive ticket prices=finally selling out. I know the band will continue dong it no matter what i say so before you say, well then don't go to the concernt and don't buy the bootlegs, don't worry. I don't plan on doing either. Maybe now they can all go buy another home in the hills or on the beach or whatever...good for them. They certainly arent the band I knew from the mid 90's. I mean hooking up with Verizon??? I am actually shocked...thumbs down..way down
right, because prices should stay the same as they were 15 years ago?? i mean, people are spending $80 to fill their gas tanks, but pearl jam should continue charging the same prices they did in 1992? come on.
$16.99 for a bootleg with blah artwork. Come on? Since the band is producing these they will prolly make $15 on each cd. This isn't a studio cd...its a bootleg! Too expensive
$16.99 for a bootleg with blah artwork. Come on? Since the band is producing these they will prolly make $15 on each cd. This isn't a studio cd...its a bootleg! Too expensive
Then don't get it. I'm sure they don't care. Or get the download. Last tour people whined because there was not a CD option. This time there is. What gives?
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I dont plan on getting it. I mean, how many versions of Even Flow do you really need to have? I am just expressing my opinion, like the person who started this thread. Last time i checked, this was a discussion board.
Then don't get it. I'm sure they don't care. Or get the download. Last tour people whined because there was not a CD option. This time there is. What gives?
Yeah, I don't get it.
PJ are being innovators here. it's a new way to distribute music...technology moving forward. you would think fans would be happy pearl jam is once again paving the way here....but no. i'm still not convinced what the problem is.
$16.99 for a bootleg with blah artwork. Come on? Since the band is producing these they will prolly make $15 on each cd. This isn't a studio cd...its a bootleg! Too expensive
Dude, were you complaining in 2003 when the cd bootlegs were $13.00?
Or in 2000 when Tower Records or wherever you bought the boots from that tour were charging about 15 bucks a bootleg?
The price is pretty good considering things are a lot more expensive than a couple years ago and the Who bootleg from the show I went to last tour cost $27.50.
There are bigger things in the world to complain about.
PJ are being innovators here. it's a new way to distribute music...technology moving forward. you would think fans would be happy pearl jam is once again paving the way here....but no. i'm still not convinced what the problem is.
The problem is that you're supposed to rail against the evil corporations and not buy into the media's prepackaged ideals. And they still won't let me record, or trade, or post links to Ed's solo tour but they'll gladly sell out to Verizon and anyone else who waves dollar bills in front of their faces......
We're supposed to only listen to real "organic" homemade bootlegs (ie shitty) and trade them for other boots or linens or food that we can produce and cultivate locally and only between true Peal Jam fans...
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I guess I just need to get over it. Maybe I am just too stuck in my ways remembering when the fan club was next to nothing and I received FREE tickets to see Pearl Jam play with Nirvana at that MTV New Years Party (unfort PJ cancelled).
The problem is that you're supposed to rail against the evil corporations and not buy into the media's prepackaged ideals. And they still won't let me record, or trade, or post links to Ed's solo tour but they'll gladly sell out to Verizon and anyone else who waves dollar bills in front of their faces......
We're supposed to only listen to real "organic" homemade bootlegs (ie shitty) and trade them for other boots or linens or food that we can produce and cultivate locally and only between true Peal Jam fans...
I guess I just need to get over it. Maybe I am just too stuck in my ways remembering when the fan club was next to nothing and I received FREE tickets to see Pearl Jam play with Nirvana at that MTV New Years Party (unfort PJ cancelled).
hmmmm $20 is still next to nothing and I remember getting FREE tickets to a Storytellers taping... wow things must not have changed that much in 20 some odd years....
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$16.99 CD version plus more expensive ticket prices=finally selling out. I know the band will continue dong it no matter what i say so before you say, well then don't go to the concernt and don't buy the bootlegs, don't worry. I don't plan on doing either. Maybe now they can all go buy another home in the hills or on the beach or whatever...good for them. They certainly arent the band I knew from the mid 90's. I mean hooking up with Verizon??? I am actually shocked...thumbs down..way down
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17 bucks? Have you seen how much gasoline costs, today? Have you gone out for a burger for lunch lately? 17 bucks today is 4 gallons of gasoline... or lunch for 2 at the Baja Fresh... in other words... nothing to cry about.
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I just want to acknowledge that 1992 Ed would probably punch 2008 Ed in the throat for allowing this Verizon deal to happen.
Of course I'm happy and grateful to get the boots, but that's a source of revenue for the band as well as a service to the fans. I don't know who pushed this Verizon bullshit on them, or if it was a condition for putting out all the boots. I don't know, maybe I'm overreacting and this is just another example of the band being willing to "play the game" in the last couple years. I guess I just miss the days when there was at least one band that resented being used to make money for corporate blowhards who probably think John McCain is too liberal. Can we leave this Verizon shit to fucking Fall Out Boy or whatever awful shit teenagers are using to impress girls these days?
Oh, and one more thing: Verizon's reception blows. I have one bar like all the time.
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$4 GAS? How about $4.55 here in Seattle. Thats nothing to cry about? Hmm..maybe I am not lucky enough to have whatever job you have bc thats a BIG deal. I haven't bought an album for 10years anyways so once again, sorry for expressing my opinion on this issue. GO PEARL JAM!
$4 GAS? How about $4.55 here in Seattle. Thats nothing to cry about? Hmm..maybe I am not lucky enough to have whatever job you have bc thats a BIG deal. I haven't bought an album for 10years anyways so once again, sorry for expressing my opinion on this issue. GO PEARL JAM!
Wow, gas is more expensive in Seattle than it is in Maui? That makes no sense at all.
If it really is that expensive, just wait two months or so after the tour when the cds aren't onsale and trade for them. There are always people willing to burn cds for other fans.
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to be fair, they were signed before ed was in the band...
and i agree with the original poster that its bullshit, but i'm starting to get used to the "new" pearl jam. still love em!
Hmm...it's interesting to me that your ideals and opinions haven't changed at all in the past 16 years. I know mine sure have.
yeah but 1992 Ed would probably get a boner when he learns that Matt Cameron ends up joining Pearl Jam.
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that's a bit of a leap....
However, the fact remains, it is a changing world. While I struggle to comprehend how some people have abandoned CD's altogether, storing their whole music collections on hard-drives, it is a fact, that is what some folks do. And some folks, apparently young ones, like to get their music through their phone as opposed to stopping by the local ma & pa record store...I don't get it, but it is a fact of 2008. Bottom line is that Artists have to get into the collective awareness, and that is harder to do these days, not just because of technology, but also because of the un-natural focus and obsession with the culture of 16 year olds that has taken hold of our world.
Personally...all I care about is that the band get whatever they need to continue being who they are. The best band in the world. If they make money , so be it...they make money wih every other endeavor they are involved with too.
I thought it was obscene that they went all digital download a few years back. Now I'm pissed that I'll have to wait two weeks for those downloads.
As a matter of fact, I'll just wait the extra week and get shows on disc. Yes, a physical disc...god, that takes me back. The more things change....
In the early 90s, they were the biggest band in the world and didn't want to be. So they wanted to avoid anything that might continue to maintain their status as the biggest band in the world. They didn't stop doing videos because they hated videos. They did it because of what it would lead to.
In this day and age, that danger is gone. No matter what they do, they aren't going to be the biggest band in the world anymore, and they aren't going to have to deal with all the baggage that comes with that.
So why not play the game? It makes no sense not to.
I mean, you're really pissed off that Pearl Jam would do this? Why exactly? How does it hurt you if their music is available the day after a show via cell phone? Are you mad that it's through Verizon, a "large evil corporation" and not Billy Bob's Cell Phone Service?
That just seems silly to me.
People need to get over their anti-corporation bullshit. If Pearl Jam were to play, say, a birthday party for Ken Lay (RIP), then maybe you'd have a beef. But not here. Not now.
for the least they could possibly do
Ok...we can stop here because the truth has been spoken.
Thumbs up on the Ed loves Matt posts.
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That's hilarious. I just think of this scenario and it makes me laugh.
That's fine the point still stands though since Ed joined a band that were singed to a record label of a major corporation back in the early 90's and that is really no different then signing up with a major cell phone corporation in 2008. Obviously his hatred of major corporations back then wasn't enough to stop him from joining the band. Hell the company they signed with back 1990, Sony, even makes cell phones.
yeah ok...
Then don't get it. I'm sure they don't care. Or get the download. Last tour people whined because there was not a CD option. This time there is. What gives?
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Yeah, what she said!
PJ are being innovators here. it's a new way to distribute music...technology moving forward. you would think fans would be happy pearl jam is once again paving the way here....but no. i'm still not convinced what the problem is.
Dude, were you complaining in 2003 when the cd bootlegs were $13.00?
Or in 2000 when Tower Records or wherever you bought the boots from that tour were charging about 15 bucks a bootleg?
The price is pretty good considering things are a lot more expensive than a couple years ago and the Who bootleg from the show I went to last tour cost $27.50.
There are bigger things in the world to complain about.
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The problem is that you're supposed to rail against the evil corporations and not buy into the media's prepackaged ideals. And they still won't let me record, or trade, or post links to Ed's solo tour but they'll gladly sell out to Verizon and anyone else who waves dollar bills in front of their faces......
We're supposed to only listen to real "organic" homemade bootlegs (ie shitty) and trade them for other boots or linens or food that we can produce and cultivate locally and only between true Peal Jam fans...
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hmmmm $20 is still next to nothing and I remember getting FREE tickets to a Storytellers taping... wow things must not have changed that much in 20 some odd years....
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17 bucks? Have you seen how much gasoline costs, today? Have you gone out for a burger for lunch lately? 17 bucks today is 4 gallons of gasoline... or lunch for 2 at the Baja Fresh... in other words... nothing to cry about.
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Wow, gas is more expensive in Seattle than it is in Maui? That makes no sense at all.
If it really is that expensive, just wait two months or so after the tour when the cds aren't onsale and trade for them. There are always people willing to burn cds for other fans.
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