Corporations rule the day...

otis mcfluster

HailHailLeatherman wrote:

I went to a movie last weekend and Verizon had a commerical with Timbaland and Fucking Chris Cornell!!!! I almost crapped myself. After seeing this stuff today I could just see Ed hawking Verizon phones in the near future.

Selling songs through V Cast is hardly pimping cell phones.

Should PJ pull their catalogue off iTunes as well. Can't believe they are supporting those bastards over at Apple.

By the way, come a little closer so I can wisper, and don't tell anyone you heard it from me....Pearl Jam....Ten Club....both corporations! Mum's the word friends.

fanch75

otis mcfluster wrote:

Should PJ pull their catalogue off iTunes as well. Can't believe they are supporting those bastards over at Apple.

By the way, come a little closer so I can wisper, and don't tell anyone you heard it from me....Pearl Jam....Ten Club....both corporations! Mum's the word friends.

See post #19:

When engaging in a conversation about corporate evils it is important to NEVER, EVER mention Apple Computers, Target or Ikea in the same breath as the companies mentioned earlier. White people prefer to hate corporations that don’t make stuff that they like.

HailHailLeatherman

otis mcfluster wrote:

Selling songs through V Cast is hardly pimping cell phones.

Should PJ pull their catalogue off iTunes as well. Can't believe they are supporting those bastards over at Apple.

By the way, come a little closer so I can wisper, and don't tell anyone you heard it from me....Pearl Jam....Ten Club....both corporations! Mum's the word friends.

Uh yeah, it is when they are showing you how to download the music using your new Voyager or Envy!!!

Anyhoo, go somewhere else pal, never said I had a problem with it, just agreeing with the irony so save the cute clever quips for someone who dose.

U R A Crazy Breed

Yellow Ledbelly wrote:

My input into this discussion is only to ask WHO GIVES A SHIT?

Really, all this anti-corporation stuff has grown a bit tired

not everyone shares your apathetic view.

anti-corporation = pro-citizen & that never gets "tired"

nfanel

so you want pearl jam to start their own cell phone company so that they don't need any outside interference in distributing the music to phones?

as a vz employee, i may be biased, but i'm pretty psyched about it. not seeing where the "bad" is in this.

Kel Varnsen

nfanel wrote:

so you want pearl jam to start their own cell phone company so that they don't need any outside interference in distributing the music to phones?

That is sort of what I was thinking. If you want to distribute music over cell phones in the US isn't it either Verizon or a few other gigantic companies? If they want to give this option to their fans I don't see alot of options.

chromiam

I_Got_Shit wrote:

OK, maybe not punch. But he would at least call him an asshole. And I understand what you're saying about delivering shows in various formats...but can we at least agree that watching Pearl Jam on a two-inch cell phone screen is probably not the best way to experience the music?

No one will be watching Pearl Jam on a 2 inch cell phone screen, because they are audio downloads not video ones. So people can listen to the band's performance from the night before.

nfanel

Kel Varnsen wrote:

That is sort of what I was thinking. If you want to distribute music over cell phones in the US isn't it either Verizon or a few other gigantic companies? If they want to give this option to their fans I don't see alot of options.

i think it's a great way to get the music out there... just another avenue... not like they are selling out. i think it's great and i'd love to have pearl jam on my phone, but of course around here people have to always look for the negatives...

“Pearl Jam continues to explore new and innovative ways to get their music to their fans,” said Ten Club President Tim Bierman. “As we have learned from our younger fans, more and more listeners are accessing their music through their mobile handsets. Since Verizon Wireless and V CAST are at the forefront of that technology, this collaboration makes perfect sense to us. With our proven track record of delivering high-quality bootleg downloads and CDs, we feel this new approach will not only benefit our fans, but provide an exciting opportunity to share Pearl Jam’s music in a more interactive setting.”

Kel Varnsen

nfanel wrote:

i think it's a great way to get the music out there... just another avenue... not like they are selling out. i think it's great and i'd love to have pearl jam on my phone, but of course around here people have to always look for the negatives...

Exactly and how is signing up to do this with one of the major cell phone carriers to distribute your music in 2008 any different from signing to one of the major record labels (Sony Epic) in 1990 to distribute their music?

I_Got_Shit

nfanel wrote:

so you want pearl jam to start their own cell phone company so that they don't need any outside interference in distributing the music to phones?

as a vz employee, i may be biased, but i'm pretty psyched about it. not seeing where the "bad" is in this.

Seems like they were doing just fine distributing the CDs, flacs and mp3s without getting Verizon involved. I don't remember anybody saying, "The bootlegs are really great and everything, but if I could only download three songs to my cellphone..."

I think I figured out the reason most fans are OK with this, besides just being happy we're getting boots again, and wanting to defend their favorite band...

Longtime fans might have supported the band's fight with corporations like Ticketmaster, but now they're getting older and probably work for a corporation (probably so they can afford to go to 10 shows every tour), so they've given up. And younger fans are just used to capitulating to corporations, because they've never seen a band do otherwise. I guess I'm stuck in the middle -- I was really young when I got into Pearl Jam, and their positions really took hold of me. But I'm still young enough that I haven't completely thrown away my convictions because I need to buy a new car or a bigger house. Maybe they had to give in to Ticketmaster, didn't have much of a choice after those disastrous do-it-yourself tours. Maybe it's only a matter of time before any band gives up on fighting back. Not even Pete Townsend died before he got old.

NewJPage

Kel Varnsen wrote:

Exactly and how is signing up to do this with one of the major cell phone carriers to distribute your music in 2008 any different from signing to one of the major record labels (Sony Epic) in 1990 to distribute their music?

to be fair, they were signed before ed was in the band...

and i agree with the original poster that its bullshit, but i'm starting to get used to the "new" pearl jam. still love em!

AmentsChick

I_Got_Shit wrote:

I just want to acknowledge that 1992 Ed would probably punch 2008 Ed in the throat for allowing this Verizon deal to happen.

Hmm...it's interesting to me that your ideals and opinions haven't changed at all in the past 16 years. I know mine sure have.

Ledbetterman10

I_Got_Shit wrote:

I just want to acknowledge that 1992 Ed would probably punch 2008 Ed in the throat for allowing this Verizon deal to happen.

yeah but 1992 Ed would probably get a boner when he learns that Matt Cameron ends up joining Pearl Jam.

nfanel

I_Got_Shit wrote:

But I'm still young enough that I haven't completely thrown away my convictions because I need to buy a new car or a bigger house.

so enjoying pearl jam ringtones equates to having no convictions?
that's a bit of a leap....

Unkept

Well Eddie circa 1991, would probably lose his mind here in 2008, he'd probably punch everyone in the throat...Radio is disappearing...the Bad Music Monster has given birth to American Idol, and apparently David Archuleta has a record deal...Whatever that even means nowdays.

However, the fact remains, it is a changing world. While I struggle to comprehend how some people have abandoned CD's altogether, storing their whole music collections on hard-drives, it is a fact, that is what some folks do. And some folks, apparently young ones, like to get their music through their phone as opposed to stopping by the local ma & pa record store...I don't get it, but it is a fact of 2008. Bottom line is that Artists have to get into the collective awareness, and that is harder to do these days, not just because of technology, but also because of the un-natural focus and obsession with the culture of 16 year olds that has taken hold of our world.

Personally...all I care about is that the band get whatever they need to continue being who they are. The best band in the world. If they make money , so be it...they make money wih every other endeavor they are involved with too.

I thought it was obscene that they went all digital download a few years back. Now I'm pissed that I'll have to wait two weeks for those downloads.

As a matter of fact, I'll just wait the extra week and get shows on disc. Yes, a physical disc...god, that takes me back. The more things change....

slightofjeff

Here's the difference between early 90s Pearl Jam and now.

In the early 90s, they were the biggest band in the world and didn't want to be. So they wanted to avoid anything that might continue to maintain their status as the biggest band in the world. They didn't stop doing videos because they hated videos. They did it because of what it would lead to.

In this day and age, that danger is gone. No matter what they do, they aren't going to be the biggest band in the world anymore, and they aren't going to have to deal with all the baggage that comes with that.

So why not play the game? It makes no sense not to.

I mean, you're really pissed off that Pearl Jam would do this? Why exactly? How does it hurt you if their music is available the day after a show via cell phone? Are you mad that it's through Verizon, a "large evil corporation" and not Billy Bob's Cell Phone Service?

That just seems silly to me.

People need to get over their anti-corporation bullshit. If Pearl Jam were to play, say, a birthday party for Ken Lay (RIP), then maybe you'd have a beef. But not here. Not now.

PissBottleMan

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

yeah but 1992 Ed would probably get a boner when he learns that Matt Cameron ends up joining Pearl Jam.

Ok...we can stop here because the truth has been spoken.

Thumbs up on the Ed loves Matt posts.

PBM

AmentsChick

P.S. If we listened to 1992 EV, none of us would be here because this website wouldn't exist.

fanch75

slightofjeff wrote:

If Pearl Jam were to play, say, a birthday party for Ken Lay

That's hilarious. I just think of this scenario and it makes me laugh.

Stephen Flow

Put it this way, would you rather have some teenager walking around with Fall Out Boy on their phone or Pearl Jam?