Health Care: Does Canada Do It Better?

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    The thing I find most strange about people in the US who are against govenment funded health care, is that if you are in the US and you are in a car accident, government paid workers will cut you out of your car at the tax payer expense, but when you get to the hospital you are on your own to pay those bills. If your house catches fire, government funded workers will put out the fire, but you are on your own if you need treatment for burns. How does that make any sense? Why does no one ever complain that their tax dollars are being wasted on a fire department helping someone else?

    Not everwhere. Sometimes the FD are volunteer. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Not everwhere. Sometimes the FD are volunteer. ;)

    who pays for the trucks and firehall?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    speaking of, did you watch the video?

    Talking of video's, when are you going to admit that Michael Moore hit the nail on the head with the movie 'Sicko'?


    Wendell Potter, the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country: "I thought that he hit the nail on the head with his movie."

    BILL MOYERS: Was it true? Did you think it contained a great truth?

    WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely did.

    BILL MOYERS: What was it?

    WENDELL POTTER: That we shouldn't fear government involvement in our health care system. That there is an appropriate role for government, and it's been proven in the countries that were in that movie.

    You know, we have more people who are uninsured in this country than the entire population of Canada. And that if you include the people who are underinsured, more people than in the United Kingdom. We have huge numbers of people who are also just a lay-off away from joining the ranks of the uninsured, or being purged by their insurance company, and winding up there.

    And another thing is that the advocates of reform or the opponents of reform are those who are saying that we need to be careful about what we do here, because we don't want the government to take away your choice of a health plan. It's more likely that your employer and your insurer is going to switch you from a plan that you're in now to one that you don't want. You might be in the plan you like now.

    But chances are, pretty soon, you're going to be enrolled in one of these high deductible plans in which you're going to find that much more of the cost is being shifted to you than you ever imagined.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    polaris_x wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Not everwhere. Sometimes the FD are volunteer. ;)

    who pays for the trucks and firehall?

    Hahaha...I realized I forgot to add that..thought about editing and then said forget it.

    Yep, you're right. Some $ there in equipment.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • blondieblue227
    blondieblue227 Va, USA Posts: 4,509
    the entire Potter / Moyers interview:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QwX_soZ1GI
    *~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*

  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I usually don't like threads that have nothing but a youtube link, but this is a 20/20 episode discussing many important topics about Healthcare. they also go into some details about the beloved Canadian system. I know its hard to debate a youtube vid but I'd be happy to see what you think. maybe we can debate parts of it.

    its only 6:22.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJgkvF19QA

    I'm Canadian, pros and cons of our system.

    Pros
    -when we are sick we show our health card at beginning of the process, never ever see a bill.
    -if really sick that alone relieves stress
    -doesn't matter if we switch jobs or lose our jobs we still have health care

    Cons
    -higher taxes
    -long waiting list for elective surgery
    -family doc hard to find
    -shortage of docs and specialist
    -can't choose a private option unless we go to states
    -Our system is entirely Govt run

    I'm not sure but where probably one of the few countries where there is no private system.

    I just don't understand the US system as well as I would like.

    But your system is fixable, it's whether congress has the political will.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if you didn't realize how much having a kid is, then you shouldn't have had one.

    :|
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2009
    jlew24asu wrote:
    he still stands wrote:

    Not a smart thing to say to me buddy.

    :lol: ok
    he still stands wrote:
    Are you suggesting we should have had an abortion?

    no. I'm suggesting you should have been more responsible.

    I've really seen it all now. I think the bar has truly been lowered to a new level here.
    Post edited by Byrnzie on
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Byrnzie wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if you didn't realize how much having a kid is, then you shouldn't have had one.

    :|


    at least he used the word 'then' correctly for a change.

    i also read those posts and found them distasteful... the guy was saying he had no idea how much a kid actually cost... and he gets told he shouldnt have had the kid? thats pretty fucked up.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Byrnzie wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if you didn't realize how much having a kid is, then you shouldn't have had one.

    :|

    yep... that is what I think every night when I come home to this.

    cutiepie-1.jpg
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    dunkman wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    if you didn't realize how much having a kid is, then you shouldn't have had one.

    :|


    at least he used the word 'then' correctly for a change.

    i also read those posts and found them distasteful... the guy was saying he had no idea how much a kid actually cost... and he gets told he shouldnt have had the kid? thats pretty fucked up.


    If he thinks giving birth to the kid cost a lot...he's got a RUDE awaking over the next 18 years!!
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    cincybearcat wrote:
    If he thinks giving birth to the kid cost a lot...he's got a RUDE awaking over the next 18 years!!

    I'm sure he'll take your expert advice to heart.

    And now, at the risk of dragging the personal affairs of someone who has recently become a father down to the level of bile and insensitivity that seems to be the fashion on the board at the moment with one or two posters, I suggest we change the subject.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    he still stands wrote:
    cutiepie-1.jpg

    Cute kid. You should be proud.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    cincybearcat wrote:
    If he thinks giving birth to the kid cost a lot...he's got a RUDE awaking over the next 18 years!!

    whaaaaat? I thought that we were done paying for the kid after he was born?!?! :roll:
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Cute kid. You should be proud.

    Thanks!!! It is nice to see some civility on this board... for awhile I was thinking I was in the Insane Clown Posse forum instead of Pearl Jam.
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Byrnzie wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    If he thinks giving birth to the kid cost a lot...he's got a RUDE awaking over the next 18 years!!

    I'm sure he'll take your expert advice to heart.

    And now, at the risk of dragging the personal affairs of someone who has recently become a father down to the level of bile and insensitivity that seems to be the fashion on the board at the moment with one or two posters, I suggest we change the subject.


    Not really sure how my joke was going to hurt him or was insensitive...unless of course you read more into it than is there.

    Congrats to the new father! It is a joy and I'm sure you will find that no matter the cost you will feel you it was more than worth it! And, kids actually start to become fun at about 9 mos so I hope you make it through that time frame...and I hope your kid isn't colicky. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    he still stands wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    If he thinks giving birth to the kid cost a lot...he's got a RUDE awaking over the next 18 years!!

    whaaaaat? I thought that we were done paying for the kid after he was born?!?! :roll:

    Ok, so you took the joke the wrong way to...sorry for the confusion.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    Byrnzie wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    If he thinks giving birth to the kid cost a lot...he's got a RUDE awaking over the next 18 years!!

    I'm sure he'll take your expert advice to heart.

    More of an expert than you that's for sure.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    In Canada it doesn't cost anything until after the child is born. Then you have to pay through the nose for the hockey equipment. :)
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,962
    brandon10 wrote:
    In Canada it doesn't cost anything until after the child is born. Then you have to pay through the nose for the hockey equipment. :)


    Are dentists free in Canada? ;)
    hippiemom = goodness

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