Then I am curious why you brought up the old profit leads to innovation chestnut when talking about the Canadian health care system vs. the US system. I mean the only basic difference is that in the Canadian system, the government is the one paying the bills and they are not out to make a profit.
because much more innovation comes from the US compared to Canada.
Actually my example deals with cutting costs and making cheaper buildings to maximize profits and be as competitive as possible, rather making less profits and exploring innovation. What reason wouldn't private insurance companies do the exact same thing?
because private insurance companies have nothing to do with medical technology or drug innovation
Then I am curious why you brought up the old profit leads to innovation chestnut when talking about the Canadian health care system vs. the US system. I mean the only basic difference is that in the Canadian system, the government is the one paying the bills and they are not out to make a profit.
i'm curious why he brought up wait times in Canada when the US has similar wait times....
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
but the Canadian system is treated a royalty around here. obviously you said its not perfect but you certainly regard it as better then in the US. I would applaud a video that shows the downfalls of our current system so we know the areas to focus on to make them better.
i would certainly take it over the US system - absolutely and like i said all the global indexes show Canada to be higher than the US in health care coverage ... take it as you see fit ...
go watch Sicko from Micahel Moore ... and before you start to go off on this and that of his film - think about it and maybe you'll see where i'm coming from on your video ...
i'm curious why he brought up wait times in Canada when the US has similar wait times....
wait times are not similar. why do you keep saying that? did you watch the video?
people wait months to be seen here, even when with the possibility of cancer
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
but the Canadian system is treated a royalty around here. obviously you said its not perfect but you certainly regard it as better then in the US. I would applaud a video that shows the downfalls of our current system so we know the areas to focus on to make them better.
i would certainly take it over the US system - absolutely and like i said all the global indexes show Canada to be higher than the US in health care coverage ... take it as you see fit ...
go watch Sicko from Micahel Moore ... and before you start to go off on this and that of his film - think about it and maybe you'll see where i'm coming from on your video ...
just because the coverage is wider, doesn't make a system better. that said, I'm still hopefully we can find a way to cover everyone here without a government takeover of the system
people wait months to be seen here, even when with the possibility of cancer
thats not true.
i disagree
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
of course you do. do you have any proof? did you watch the video?
i have a friend who had a miscarriage then started developing health problems immediately after, she saw her ob/gyn and was told her body is probably out of whack from not being pregnant but the problems persisted. she had tests done and the ob/gyn told her to see a specialist because some of the results were the same symptoms of certain types of cancer. she had insurance but it took her nearly 3 months to be seen by a specialist after being told she might have cancer
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
of course you do. do you have any proof? did you watch the video?
i have a friend who had a miscarriage then started developing health problems immediately after, she saw her ob/gyn and was told her body is probably out of whack from not being pregnant but the problems persisted. she had tests done and the ob/gyn told her to see a specialist because some of the results were the same symptoms of certain types of cancer. she had insurance but it took her nearly 3 months to be seen by a specialist after being told she might have cancer
ok here we go..you know a girl :roll:
and you honestly don't know whether or not that specialist wait time would go UP if we have socialized healthcare. seriously?
just because the coverage is wider, doesn't make a system better. that said, I'm still hopefully we can find a way to cover everyone here without a government takeover of the system
it's not just because it's wider ... it's a multitude of things ... but what it boils down to is this:
in the US - everyone in the chain needs to make a huge profit - therefore the costs to implement health care is extremely high ... in Canada - that is not the case across the board ...therefore we can deliver similar health care at a lower cost ...
of course you do. do you have any proof? did you watch the video?
i have a friend who had a miscarriage then started developing health problems immediately after, she saw her ob/gyn and was told her body is probably out of whack from not being pregnant but the problems persisted. she had tests done and the ob/gyn told her to see a specialist because some of the results were the same symptoms of certain types of cancer. she had insurance but it took her nearly 3 months to be seen by a specialist after being told she might have cancer
ok here we go..you know a girl :roll:
and you honestly don't know whether or not that specialist wait time would go UP if we have socialized healthcare. seriously?
yeah, i know a girl, but that obviously means nothing because you watched a video :roll:
maybe under a universal system she would be free to see any specialist, not just those her insurance allow.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
just because the coverage is wider, doesn't make a system better. that said, I'm still hopefully we can find a way to cover everyone here without a government takeover of the system
it's not just because it's wider ... it's a multitude of things ... but what it boils down to is this:
in the US - everyone in the chain needs to make a huge profit - therefore the costs to implement health care is extremely high ... in Canada - that is not the case across the board ...therefore we can deliver similar health care at a lower cost ...
I agree. and I surely hope reform addresses exactly that.
TriumphantAngel
'The problem is that there are too many Americans that do not believe it's a problem.'
it's a human flaw i think.
just as there's some people that don't believe global warming either.
and fear. people fear change. it's pretty bad but rather than try change people rather stay in the crappy state that they already know.
' our representatives should have the same healthcare their constituents have/don't have, and we should pressure them accordingly. Until something like that happens, what incentive do they have to reform our system? '
oh how i wish that could happen!
i've always been one for 'walk a mile in my shoes'
they always seem distracted with their own agendas.
all we can do is vote them in or out and hound them with our wishes by contacting their offices.
_____________
wanting the best is not un-american.
actually pushing and questioning things in our country has made it better.
________________
i don't believe we lead in research in healthcare.
bush2 stopped stemcell research. while other parts of the world was researching it, the US was not.
___________
ok so profits lead to better innovation. i agree with that.
profits should have nothing to do with peoples life’s thou.
a new invention is usually too expensive to be widely used anyway when it's created. so how does that tie into profits until it becomes inexpensive?
so unless a new innovation is inexpensive, it can't make profits.
i hate when something great is created, but the majority can't afford it. what good is it? the real feat is making your creation is affordable to the masses.
__________________________
WARNING!
Do not post here unless you watch the video!
Hehehe!
*~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*
Real "Norma Rae" Dies of Cancer After Insurer Delayed Treatment
Monday 14 September 2009The North Carolina union organizer who was the inspiration for the movie
"Norma Rae" died on Friday of brain cancer after a battle with her insurance company, which delayed her treatment. She was 68.
Crystal Lee Sutton, formerly Crystal Lee Jordan, was fired from her job folding towels at the J.P. Stevens textile plant in her hometown of Roanoke Rapids, N.C. for trying to organize a union in the early 1970s. Her last action at the plant -- writing the word "UNION" on a piece of cardboard and standing on her work table, leading her co-workers to turn off their machines in solidarity -- was memorialized in the 1979 film by actress Sally Field. The police physically removed Sutton from the plant for her action.
But her efforts ultimately succeeded, as the Amalgamated Clothing Workers won the right to represent the plant's employees on Aug. 28, 1974. Sutton later became a paid organizer for the union, which through a series of mergers became part of UNITE HERE before splitting off this year to form Workers United, which is affiliated with the Service Employees International Union.
Several years ago, Sutton was diagnosed with meningioma, a type of cancer of the nervous system. While such cancers are typically slow-growing, Sutton's was not -- and she went two months without potentially life-saving medication because her insurance wouldn't cover it initially. Sutton told the Burlington (N.C.) Times-News last year that the insurer's behavior was an example of abuse of the working poor:
"How in the world can it take so long to find out [whether they would cover the medicine or not] when it could be a matter of life or death," she said. "It is almost like, in a way, committing murder."
Though Sutton eventually received the medication, the cancer had already taken hold. She passed away on Friday, Sept. 11 in a Burlington, N.C. hospice.
"Crystal Lee Sutton was a remarkable woman whose brave struggles have left a lasting impact on this country and without doubt, on me personally," Field said in a statement released Friday. "Portraying Crystal Lee in 'Norma Rae,' however loosely based, not only elevated me as an actress, but as a human being."
Field won an Oscar, a Golden Globe and the Best Actress award at the Cannes Film Festival for her portrayal of the character based on Sutton. The film in turn was based on the 1975 book "Crystal Lee: A Woman of Inheritance" by New York Times reporter Henry P. "Hank" Leiferman.
Sutton was only 17 when she began working at the J.P. Stevens plant in northeastern North Carolina, where conditions were poor and the pay was low. A Massachusetts-based company that for many years was listed on the Fortune 500, J.P. Stevens is now part of the WestPoint Home conglomerate.
In 1973, Sutton, by then a mother of three, was earning only $2.65 an hour. That same year, Eli Zivkovich, a former coal miner from West Virginia, came to Roanoke Rapids to organize the plant and began working with Sutton, who was fired after she copied a flyer posted by management warning that blacks would run the union. It was that incident which led Sutton to stand up with her "UNION" sign.
"It is not necessary I be remembered as anything, but I would like to be remembered as a woman who deeply cared for the working poor and the poor people of the U.S. and the world," she said in a newspaper interview last year. "That my family and children and children like mine will have a fair share and equality."
For more on Sutton's life and work, visit the website of the Alamance Community College's Crystal Sutton Collection.
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don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
and talk about bullshit statements..."overall coverage is much better for the average person here" thats nothing more then your opinion. the video clearly shows you are wrong. but but you know a guy so I guess you are right.
please refrain from making statements you can't back up.
it's his opinion which is shared by any organization that ranks nations health care
there are no organizations that rank nations health care. the last one was done in 2000.
for the 38th time... the last one was done in 2007 by the Commonwealth Fund... stop lying.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
if you cannot differentiate between the simple use of 'then' and 'than' ... well what is the point of debating this shit... you do it all the time.
if you're rich enough you could possibly get the worlds best health care in the US... but clearly the education system is failing badly.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
The thing I find most strange about people in the US who are against govenment funded health care, is that if you are in the US and you are in a car accident, government paid workers will cut you out of your car at the tax payer expense, but when you get to the hospital you are on your own to pay those bills. If your house catches fire, government funded workers will put out the fire, but you are on your own if you need treatment for burns. How does that make any sense? Why does no one ever complain that their tax dollars are being wasted on a fire department helping someone else?
The thing I find most strange about people in the US who are against govenment funded health care, is that if you are in the US and you are in a car accident, government paid workers will cut you out of your car at the tax payer expense, but when you get to the hospital you are on your own to pay those bills. If your house catches fire, government funded workers will put out the fire, but you are on your own if you need treatment for burns. How does that make any sense? Why does no one ever complain that their tax dollars are being wasted on a fire department helping someone else?
Talking of video's, when are you going to admit that Michael Moore hit the nail on the head with the movie 'Sicko'?
Wendell Potter, the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country: "I thought that he hit the nail on the head with his movie."
BILL MOYERS: Was it true? Did you think it contained a great truth?
WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely did.
BILL MOYERS: What was it?
WENDELL POTTER: That we shouldn't fear government involvement in our health care system. That there is an appropriate role for government, and it's been proven in the countries that were in that movie.
You know, we have more people who are uninsured in this country than the entire population of Canada. And that if you include the people who are underinsured, more people than in the United Kingdom. We have huge numbers of people who are also just a lay-off away from joining the ranks of the uninsured, or being purged by their insurance company, and winding up there.
And another thing is that the advocates of reform or the opponents of reform are those who are saying that we need to be careful about what we do here, because we don't want the government to take away your choice of a health plan. It's more likely that your employer and your insurer is going to switch you from a plan that you're in now to one that you don't want. You might be in the plan you like now.
But chances are, pretty soon, you're going to be enrolled in one of these high deductible plans in which you're going to find that much more of the cost is being shifted to you than you ever imagined.
I usually don't like threads that have nothing but a youtube link, but this is a 20/20 episode discussing many important topics about Healthcare. they also go into some details about the beloved Canadian system. I know its hard to debate a youtube vid but I'd be happy to see what you think. maybe we can debate parts of it.
Pros
-when we are sick we show our health card at beginning of the process, never ever see a bill.
-if really sick that alone relieves stress
-doesn't matter if we switch jobs or lose our jobs we still have health care
Cons
-higher taxes
-long waiting list for elective surgery
-family doc hard to find
-shortage of docs and specialist
-can't choose a private option unless we go to states
-Our system is entirely Govt run
I'm not sure but where probably one of the few countries where there is no private system.
I just don't understand the US system as well as I would like.
But your system is fixable, it's whether congress has the political will.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
if you didn't realize how much having a kid is, then you shouldn't have had one.
at least he used the word 'then' correctly for a change.
i also read those posts and found them distasteful... the guy was saying he had no idea how much a kid actually cost... and he gets told he shouldnt have had the kid? thats pretty fucked up.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Comments
because much more innovation comes from the US compared to Canada.
did you watch the video?
i'm curious why he brought up wait times in Canada when the US has similar wait times....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
wait times are not similar. why do you keep saying that? did you watch the video?
i would certainly take it over the US system - absolutely and like i said all the global indexes show Canada to be higher than the US in health care coverage ... take it as you see fit ...
go watch Sicko from Micahel Moore ... and before you start to go off on this and that of his film - think about it and maybe you'll see where i'm coming from on your video ...
people wait months to be seen here, even when with the possibility of cancer
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
thats not true.
just because the coverage is wider, doesn't make a system better. that said, I'm still hopefully we can find a way to cover everyone here without a government takeover of the system
i disagree
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
of course you do. do you have any proof? did you watch the video?
i have a friend who had a miscarriage then started developing health problems immediately after, she saw her ob/gyn and was told her body is probably out of whack from not being pregnant but the problems persisted. she had tests done and the ob/gyn told her to see a specialist because some of the results were the same symptoms of certain types of cancer. she had insurance but it took her nearly 3 months to be seen by a specialist after being told she might have cancer
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
ok here we go..you know a girl :roll:
and you honestly don't know whether or not that specialist wait time would go UP if we have socialized healthcare. seriously?
it's not just because it's wider ... it's a multitude of things ... but what it boils down to is this:
in the US - everyone in the chain needs to make a huge profit - therefore the costs to implement health care is extremely high ... in Canada - that is not the case across the board ...therefore we can deliver similar health care at a lower cost ...
yeah, i know a girl, but that obviously means nothing because you watched a video :roll:
maybe under a universal system she would be free to see any specialist, not just those her insurance allow.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I agree. and I surely hope reform addresses exactly that.
speaking of, did you watch the video?
and so would everyone else! and guess what, she would have to wait longer.
'The problem is that there are too many Americans that do not believe it's a problem.'
it's a human flaw i think.
just as there's some people that don't believe global warming either.
and fear. people fear change. it's pretty bad but rather than try change people rather stay in the crappy state that they already know.
' our representatives should have the same healthcare their constituents have/don't have, and we should pressure them accordingly. Until something like that happens, what incentive do they have to reform our system? '
oh how i wish that could happen!
i've always been one for 'walk a mile in my shoes'
they always seem distracted with their own agendas.
all we can do is vote them in or out and hound them with our wishes by contacting their offices.
_____________
wanting the best is not un-american.
actually pushing and questioning things in our country has made it better.
________________
i don't believe we lead in research in healthcare.
bush2 stopped stemcell research. while other parts of the world was researching it, the US was not.
___________
ok so profits lead to better innovation. i agree with that.
profits should have nothing to do with peoples life’s thou.
a new invention is usually too expensive to be widely used anyway when it's created. so how does that tie into profits until it becomes inexpensive?
so unless a new innovation is inexpensive, it can't make profits.
i hate when something great is created, but the majority can't afford it. what good is it? the real feat is making your creation is affordable to the masses.
__________________________
WARNING!
Do not post here unless you watch the video!
Hehehe!
yes, i watched your 6 minute video, i don't see how that invalidates the experience of someone i know.
this lady lived in the US AND had insurance and had to wait as well
http://www.truthout.org/091409L?n
Real "Norma Rae" Dies of Cancer After Insurer Delayed Treatment
Monday 14 September 2009The North Carolina union organizer who was the inspiration for the movie
"Norma Rae" died on Friday of brain cancer after a battle with her insurance company, which delayed her treatment. She was 68.
Crystal Lee Sutton, formerly Crystal Lee Jordan, was fired from her job folding towels at the J.P. Stevens textile plant in her hometown of Roanoke Rapids, N.C. for trying to organize a union in the early 1970s. Her last action at the plant -- writing the word "UNION" on a piece of cardboard and standing on her work table, leading her co-workers to turn off their machines in solidarity -- was memorialized in the 1979 film by actress Sally Field. The police physically removed Sutton from the plant for her action.
But her efforts ultimately succeeded, as the Amalgamated Clothing Workers won the right to represent the plant's employees on Aug. 28, 1974. Sutton later became a paid organizer for the union, which through a series of mergers became part of UNITE HERE before splitting off this year to form Workers United, which is affiliated with the Service Employees International Union.
Several years ago, Sutton was diagnosed with meningioma, a type of cancer of the nervous system. While such cancers are typically slow-growing, Sutton's was not -- and she went two months without potentially life-saving medication because her insurance wouldn't cover it initially. Sutton told the Burlington (N.C.) Times-News last year that the insurer's behavior was an example of abuse of the working poor:
"How in the world can it take so long to find out [whether they would cover the medicine or not] when it could be a matter of life or death," she said. "It is almost like, in a way, committing murder."
Though Sutton eventually received the medication, the cancer had already taken hold. She passed away on Friday, Sept. 11 in a Burlington, N.C. hospice.
"Crystal Lee Sutton was a remarkable woman whose brave struggles have left a lasting impact on this country and without doubt, on me personally," Field said in a statement released Friday. "Portraying Crystal Lee in 'Norma Rae,' however loosely based, not only elevated me as an actress, but as a human being."
Field won an Oscar, a Golden Globe and the Best Actress award at the Cannes Film Festival for her portrayal of the character based on Sutton. The film in turn was based on the 1975 book "Crystal Lee: A Woman of Inheritance" by New York Times reporter Henry P. "Hank" Leiferman.
Sutton was only 17 when she began working at the J.P. Stevens plant in northeastern North Carolina, where conditions were poor and the pay was low. A Massachusetts-based company that for many years was listed on the Fortune 500, J.P. Stevens is now part of the WestPoint Home conglomerate.
In 1973, Sutton, by then a mother of three, was earning only $2.65 an hour. That same year, Eli Zivkovich, a former coal miner from West Virginia, came to Roanoke Rapids to organize the plant and began working with Sutton, who was fired after she copied a flyer posted by management warning that blacks would run the union. It was that incident which led Sutton to stand up with her "UNION" sign.
"It is not necessary I be remembered as anything, but I would like to be remembered as a woman who deeply cared for the working poor and the poor people of the U.S. and the world," she said in a newspaper interview last year. "That my family and children and children like mine will have a fair share and equality."
For more on Sutton's life and work, visit the website of the Alamance Community College's Crystal Sutton Collection.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
for the 38th time... the last one was done in 2007 by the Commonwealth Fund... stop lying.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/15/1198
if you cannot differentiate between the simple use of 'then' and 'than' ... well what is the point of debating this shit... you do it all the time.
if you're rich enough you could possibly get the worlds best health care in the US... but clearly the education system is failing badly.
Not everwhere. Sometimes the FD are volunteer.
who pays for the trucks and firehall?
Talking of video's, when are you going to admit that Michael Moore hit the nail on the head with the movie 'Sicko'?
Wendell Potter, the former head of publicity for CIGNA, one of the top health insurance companies in the country: "I thought that he hit the nail on the head with his movie."
BILL MOYERS: Was it true? Did you think it contained a great truth?
WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely did.
BILL MOYERS: What was it?
WENDELL POTTER: That we shouldn't fear government involvement in our health care system. That there is an appropriate role for government, and it's been proven in the countries that were in that movie.
You know, we have more people who are uninsured in this country than the entire population of Canada. And that if you include the people who are underinsured, more people than in the United Kingdom. We have huge numbers of people who are also just a lay-off away from joining the ranks of the uninsured, or being purged by their insurance company, and winding up there.
And another thing is that the advocates of reform or the opponents of reform are those who are saying that we need to be careful about what we do here, because we don't want the government to take away your choice of a health plan. It's more likely that your employer and your insurer is going to switch you from a plan that you're in now to one that you don't want. You might be in the plan you like now.
But chances are, pretty soon, you're going to be enrolled in one of these high deductible plans in which you're going to find that much more of the cost is being shifted to you than you ever imagined.
Hahaha...I realized I forgot to add that..thought about editing and then said forget it.
Yep, you're right. Some $ there in equipment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QwX_soZ1GI
I'm Canadian, pros and cons of our system.
Pros
-when we are sick we show our health card at beginning of the process, never ever see a bill.
-if really sick that alone relieves stress
-doesn't matter if we switch jobs or lose our jobs we still have health care
Cons
-higher taxes
-long waiting list for elective surgery
-family doc hard to find
-shortage of docs and specialist
-can't choose a private option unless we go to states
-Our system is entirely Govt run
I'm not sure but where probably one of the few countries where there is no private system.
I just don't understand the US system as well as I would like.
But your system is fixable, it's whether congress has the political will.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I've really seen it all now. I think the bar has truly been lowered to a new level here.
at least he used the word 'then' correctly for a change.
i also read those posts and found them distasteful... the guy was saying he had no idea how much a kid actually cost... and he gets told he shouldnt have had the kid? thats pretty fucked up.
yep... that is what I think every night when I come home to this.