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Jasunmark wrote:you're citing Fox News as a reliable news source? EVen THEY admit they're not a real news source and call their channel "Infotainment."
The fact is that 70% of Americans support health care reform and no amount of temper tantrums from Gleen Beck's under-educated minions is going to change that.
Well I'm hearing 80% ( may not be the exact percentage but close) of Americans are happy with there health care. I do not want people to go without heath care. Can we just put those people on Medicare or medicaid (after they fix it). I don't want the government making decisions concerning my health. I think I can handle it myself.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
I watch all the news. I'm just saying can anyone prove Glen Beck wrong?Jasunmark wrote:you're citing Fox News as a reliable news source? EVen THEY admit they're not a real news source and call their channel "Infotainment."
The fact is that 70% of Americans support health care reform and no amount of temper tantrums from Gleen Beck's under-educated minions is going to change that.
Obama attended a church for 20 years and claims he never heard Wright hating on white people. He LIES. For the record most everyone else in the Whitehouse lies also! Are there no others that are tired of it!“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
Jasunmark wrote:mb262200 wrote:Just curious...where do you get this 70%?
Hey, if you get to just pull made up "facts" our of your in foil hat, why shouldn't I?
I was just asking....jeez....I don't understand you liberal democrats, you have everything going in your favor, so why are some of you so angry.0 -
60% of all statistics are made up.
Anyone believing what anyone on Fox News or any other American news media needs to read/watch other sources for news (independent and international)0 -
...aerial wrote:mb262200 wrote:From what I can understand Bush signed it before he left office. The czars that work for Obama has worked for Bush and so on. Our government is run by radicals and our president is simply a front man to keep people distracted from the real issues and take all the blows. The New World Order has been in the works ever since the Kenedy assasination. But this is just what I choose to believe from the information that I have seen. One Czar was reported saying " the best way to create a socialists country is to collapse the financial system, give people cars and houses and credit cards that they know they can't afford and make everybody broke".....hmmmm sounds like america in the last 15 years or so.
That is why I marched in Washington. I don't have all the answers like Cosmo does LOL.....I see something happening and it scares me! Cosmo I have nothing to prove to you.....and I don't care if you believe what I say...Why would I....I was just giving my opinion. Wish you would try and prove Glen Beck wrong. If you can do that I would be your biggest Fan!
Wait a second...
So... the two of you are saying this has nothing to do with President Obama... and everything to do with this vast conspiracy that has been afoot since 1963? Presidents Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan G.H.W.Bush, Clinton, G.W.Bush and Obama are all co-conspirators?
Why have you waited 46 years to do something? Or did Glenn Beck just start telling you about it after Obama was elected? Why wasn't he sounding the alarm during the Bush's terms?
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As for Glenn Beck... give me something you believe from him and let me check it out.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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...aerial wrote:mb262200 wrote:From what I can understand Bush signed it before he left office. The czars that work for Obama has worked for Bush and so on. Our government is run by radicals and our president is simply a front man to keep people distracted from the real issues and take all the blows. The New World Order has been in the works ever since the Kenedy assasination. But this is just what I choose to believe from the information that I have seen. One Czar was reported saying " the best way to create a socialists country is to collapse the financial system, give people cars and houses and credit cards that they know they can't afford and make everybody broke".....hmmmm sounds like america in the last 15 years or so.
That is why I marched in Washington. I don't have all the answers like Cosmo does LOL.....I see something happening and it scares me! Cosmo I have nothing to prove to you.....and I don't care if you believe what I say...Why would I....I was just giving my opinion. Wish you would try and prove Glen Beck wrong. If you can do that I would be your biggest Fan!
Wait a second...
So... the two of you are saying this has nothing to do with President Obama... and everything to do with this vast conspiracy that has been afoot since 1963? Presidents Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan G.H.W.Bush, Clinton, G.W.Bush and Obama are all co-conspirators?
Why have you waited 46 years to do something? Or did Glenn Beck just start telling you about it after Obama was elected? Why wasn't he sounding the alarm during the Bush's terms?
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As for Glenn Beck... give me something you believe from him and let me check it out.
Check this out Glen was against Bush.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
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...aerial wrote:Check this out Glen was against Bush.
So... I still don't get it. If Glenn Beck knew about it during the Bush terms (2000-2008) why has it taken you so long to voice dissent about it?
NOTE: By 'You", I mean the Tea Party people.
Why weren't these demonstrations going on during the Bush Terms? Was it because of the competition with the War Protests? What?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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mb262200 wrote:
I take some of this at face value. For example, I do not believe that the U.S. is responsible for 9/11.0 -
mb262200 wrote:I was just asking....jeez....I don't understand you liberal democrats, you have everything going in your favor, so why are some of you so angry.
Quite honestly, I'm angry because I have to deal with people who label me "liberal democrat" because I don't prance through the streets holding signs with pictures of Obama with a Hitler mustache. I'm angry because I have to hear people tell me that "Obama is a communist and a socialist and a fascist" and then I have to choose to either shake my head at their utter stupidity or take the time to explain that those things are polar opposites of each other and it's impossible. It's like telling me I'm short and tall. Having to argue with people who don't even know what the words they're using mean is tiresome.
I'm angry because I have to deal with people who blatantly CHOOSE to believe and spread - not opinions - but lies... like.. say... "Death Panels" or "Pull the plug on Gramma" or "People over 40 won't get care for chronic conditions" or "in Canada you can't get a hip replacement at 55." These aren't "opinions," they're just lies... Fabricaions. But you TELL them that they're lies and what do they do? They yell "LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!!!" and "YOU LIE" at you.
I'm angry because suddenly conservatives are all up in arms about "Czars." Because Glenn Beck told them to get upset about them... They don't care that Ronald Regan coined the term "Czar" and appointed the first one, they don't care that George W Bush had 47 Czars... no, they just care about how the word "Czar" is taken from a Russian King and how that makes us Communists.. even though it was the communists that got rid of the Russian Czars... no... they just need to carry on and yell and scream and argue and disrupt town hall meetings.
I'm angry because although the vast Majority of Americans support health care reform, you choose to cross-examine me because it doesn't gel with what Fox "News" tells you.
So you'll forgive me if I'm just sick and fucking tired of dealing with people who call me a "liberal democrat" without knowing the first thing about my politics but knowing that I'm actually going to read and research and find my own opinions and not have them spoon-fed to me by Fox "News."0 -
aerial wrote:I watch all the news. I'm just saying can anyone prove Glen Beck wrong?
Of course we can. But we're tired of doing it. It's like that Barney Frank and the dining room table. This past week Glenn Beck claimed that there was "some university but I can't remember the name" that estimated that there were over 1,000,000 people at the Million Moron March. But there wasn't. He made it up. It was just a lie and he can't back it up because he pulled that number out of his ass. However... when presented with this, Glenn Beck fans immediately haul out fake pictures and video, they yell "LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!!!" or "NAZI!!" or "FASCIST!!" or "SOCIALIST" and it descends from there. I'm not interested in debating you because you're not interested in debating.Obama attended a church for 20 years and claims he never heard Wright hating on white people. He LIES.
And you know this how? I've seen that "God Damn America" clip over and over again but I haven't heard anything else that would suggest that Reverend Wright hated white people.. and if you listen to the full "God Damn America" clip (which is long.. it's about 30 minutes long), you'll realize that it's not what you think... it's a very positive speech... taking a single sound byte and repeating it doesn't mean anything.For the record most everyone else in the Whitehouse lies also! Are there no others that are tired of it!
You know what I'm tired of? Hearing Conservatives bleat on and on about how EVERYONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE LIES!! Because you know what? You didn't care for the last 8 years... why should I give a rat's ass about your "opinions" now?0 -
Jasunmark wrote:mb262200 wrote:I was just asking....jeez....I don't understand you liberal democrats, you have everything going in your favor, so why are some of you so angry.
Quite honestly, I'm angry because I have to deal with people who label me "liberal democrat" because I don't prance through the streets holding signs with pictures of Obama with a Hitler mustache. I'm angry because I have to hear people tell me that "Obama is a communist and a socialist and a fascist" and then I have to choose to either shake my head at their utter stupidity or take the time to explain that those things are polar opposites of each other and it's impossible. It's like telling me I'm short and tall. Having to argue with people who don't even know what the words they're using mean is tiresome.
I'm angry because I have to deal with people who blatantly CHOOSE to believe and spread - not opinions - but lies... like.. say... "Death Panels" or "Pull the plug on Gramma" or "People over 40 won't get care for chronic conditions" or "in Canada you can't get a hip replacement at 55." These aren't "opinions," they're just lies... Fabricaions. But you TELL them that they're lies and what do they do? They yell "LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!!!" and "YOU LIE" at you.
I'm angry because suddenly conservatives are all up in arms about "Czars." Because Glenn Beck told them to get upset about them... They don't care that Ronald Regan coined the term "Czar" and appointed the first one, they don't care that George W Bush had 47 Czars... no, they just care about how the word "Czar" is taken from a Russian King and how that makes us Communists.. even though it was the communists that got rid of the Russian Czars... no... they just need to carry on and yell and scream and argue and disrupt town hall meetings.
I'm angry because although the vast Majority of Americans support health care reform, you choose to cross-examine me because it doesn't gel with what Fox "News" tells you.
So you'll forgive me if I'm just sick and fucking tired of dealing with people who call me a "liberal democrat" without knowing the first thing about my politics but knowing that I'm actually going to read and research and find my own opinions and not have them spoon-fed to me by Fox "News."
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Jasunmark wrote:mb262200 wrote:I was just asking....jeez....I don't understand you liberal democrats, you have everything going in your favor, so why are some of you so angry.
Quite honestly, I'm angry because I have to deal with people who label me "liberal democrat" because I don't prance through the streets holding signs with pictures of Obama with a Hitler mustache. I'm angry because I have to hear people tell me that "Obama is a communist and a socialist and a fascist" and then I have to choose to either shake my head at their utter stupidity or take the time to explain that those things are polar opposites of each other and it's impossible. It's like telling me I'm short and tall. Having to argue with people who don't even know what the words they're using mean is tiresome.
I'm angry because I have to deal with people who blatantly CHOOSE to believe and spread - not opinions - but lies... like.. say... "Death Panels" or "Pull the plug on Gramma" or "People over 40 won't get care for chronic conditions" or "in Canada you can't get a hip replacement at 55." These aren't "opinions," they're just lies... Fabricaions. But you TELL them that they're lies and what do they do? They yell "LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!!!" and "YOU LIE" at you.
I'm angry because suddenly conservatives are all up in arms about "Czars." Because Glenn Beck told them to get upset about them... They don't care that Ronald Regan coined the term "Czar" and appointed the first one, they don't care that George W Bush had 47 Czars... no, they just care about how the word "Czar" is taken from a Russian King and how that makes us Communists.. even though it was the communists that got rid of the Russian Czars... no... they just need to carry on and yell and scream and argue and disrupt town hall meetings.
I'm angry because although the vast Majority of Americans support health care reform, you choose to cross-examine me because it doesn't gel with what Fox "News" tells you.
So you'll forgive me if I'm just sick and fucking tired of dealing with people who call me a "liberal democrat" without knowing the first thing about my politics but knowing that I'm actually going to read and research and find my own opinions and not have them spoon-fed to me by Fox "News."
OK so I thought you were democrat....sorry. People call me a conservative republican...I usually don't get offended by it. And for the record, I don't know if you were talking directly to me but i never called somebody a socialists or a facists. And on the czar issue...nobody talked about until recently(as far as I know) so i didn't even know about it.And I don't believe everything foxnews tells me, as a matter of fact I don't even watch foxnews except for Beck.And on the health care reform...I have no idea how many people are in favor of it. Somebody earlier said 70% and I was interestd on where they got that and I haven't heard yet. Again i'm sorry i called you a liberal or a democrat. I just come on here and try to connect with people and maybe learn something. Yes sometimes I get a little defensive...i'm only human. But I try to listen to what people have to say. But to defend my quote.....there have been many times I have tried to just have an open debate with people, and trust me.....republicans are not the only people name calling.0 -
mb262200 wrote:Jeanwah wrote:60% of all statistics are made up.
Anyone believing what anyone on Fox News or any other American news media needs to read/watch other sources for news (independent and international)
Independent news? Where do you get Independent news? I'm interested.
Try this Independent News station Democracy Now. They have no corporate corrosion, advertising just listener supported and I'm one of them. Try and give them a watch listen, or reading.....www.democracynow.org
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...Jasunmark wrote:aerial wrote:I watch all the news. I'm just saying can anyone prove Glen Beck wrong?
Of course we can. But we're tired of doing it. It's like that Barney Frank and the dining room table. This past week Glenn Beck claimed that there was "some university but I can't remember the name" that estimated that there were over 1,000,000 people at the Million Moron March. But there wasn't. He made it up. It was just a lie and he can't back it up because he pulled that number out of his ass. However... when presented with this, Glenn Beck fans immediately haul out fake pictures and video, they yell "LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!!!" or "NAZI!!" or "FASCIST!!" or "SOCIALIST" and it descends from there. I'm not interested in debating you because you're not interested in debating.
The thing I refuse to believe is that there are that many of these fringe element types as they claim there are. Just like there aren't as many radical leftist (Anarchists) that can do anything constructive (which in anarchist speak means, destruction). I believe most American are reasonable folks that are able to conduct themselves in a civil manner... and understand that just because someone can shout down an opposing view, does not mean they are correct.
All these unsubstantiated claims... Death Panels... Government Take-overs... Obama's personal Army that is as well equipped as the military... Socialism (a.k.a. Fascism and Communism) are ripe for the Lyndon LaRouche paranoid fringe that believes in black helicopters spraying mind control contrails that were developed from alien technology discovered in Roswell, N.M. The fringe. They can appear to be greater by being louder, but in the long run... their fanaticism and claims (from way out in left field) are revealed for what they are.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Jasunmark wrote:aerial wrote:I watch all the news. I'm just saying can anyone prove Glen Beck wrong?
Of course we can. But we're tired of doing it. It's like that Barney Frank and the dining room table. This past week Glenn Beck claimed that there was "some university but I can't remember the name" that estimated that there were over 1,000,000 people at the Million Moron March. But there wasn't. He made it up. It was just a lie and he can't back it up because he pulled that number out of his ass. However... when presented with this, Glenn Beck fans immediately haul out fake pictures and video, they yell "LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!!!" or "NAZI!!" or "FASCIST!!" or "SOCIALIST" and it descends from there. I'm not interested in debating you because you're not interested in debating.
It was University of Indiana . Can you prove this is fake? I was there. We are just regular people. We are not as sophisticated as you give us credit for. Why do you want it to be less than a Million. What’s the big deal?Obama attended a church for 20 years and claims he never heard Wright hating on white people. He LIES.
And you know this how? I've seen that "God Damn America" clip over and over again but I haven't heard anything else that would suggest that Reverend Wright hated white people.. and if you listen to the full "God Damn America" clip (which is long.. it's about 30 minutes long), you'll realize that it's not what you think... it's a very positive speech... taking a single sound byte and repeating it doesn't mean anything.
I just hate how he divides people constantly winning about being black in America. Bitching about whites calling blacks the N word when blacks use the word regularly. Whites owe blacks. I just get sick of it. I am also tired of being called a racist just because I'm white. Obama has made the race controversy worse. I wish we could just get pass all this.For the record most everyone else in the Whitehouse lies also! Are there no others that are tired of it!
You know what I'm tired of? Hearing Conservatives bleat on and on about how EVERYONE IN THE WHITE HOUSE LIES!! Because you know what? You didn't care for the last 8 years... why should I give a rat's ass about your "opinions" now?
I did care. I just didn't think anyone else did! Now I have connected with others that care about the coruption. I'm not a conservative. I'm a libertarian. I connected with these people in the same way I connect with other Pearl Jam Fans. On the Net.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
mb262200 wrote:OK so I thought you were democrat....sorry.
Apology accepted. to be honest, I did vote for Obama and I'm glad I did. I'll do it again. I think he's a great president and I'm proud I supported him. But I'm generally pretty down-the-middle politically. Although lately I've been pretty much only on the democratic party's side... I'm not really interested in any of the angry mob tactics I'm seeing at the Tea Party rallies.And on the czar issue...nobody talked about until recently(as far as I know) so i didn't even know about it.
Well see, and there's the whole problem. There IS no "czar issue." A Czar in the American Political sense is just an advisor to the president with no powers but someone who does have a specific understanding of a specific issue. Sort of like a consultant... Why Glenn Beck is suddenly trying to create an issue where there never was one before is a question to ponder (nobody on either side ever really cared about the 47 that George W Bush had).And I don't believe everything foxnews tells me, as a matter of fact I don't even watch foxnews except for Beck.
You might want to reconsider that. I mean, I did watch what he was saying a few times but in the end, he's nuts. He doesn't understand he words he's using and he's coming across like that drunk at a bar who thinks he knows it all but doesn't even understand the basics. He's the Cliff Claven of political pundits.
don't you find it odd that there seems to be a new "thing" he's on about every week and none of them really gain traction?0 -
aerial wrote:It was University of Indiana . Can you prove this is fake? I was there. We are just regular people. We are not as sophisticated as you give us credit for. Why do you want it to be less than a Million. What’s the big deal?
OK, what does the "University of Indiana" know about it and can you provide a link? See, I'm having trouble buying this new source because last week, organizers were claiming that ABC reported 1,000,000 people until ABC made a press release saying they said no such thing.. then the organizers claimed that it was the "Park Police" who had released an "Official Crowd number" of 1.8 million.. except Park Police haven't released official counts since the Million Man March in the early 90s. Now Glenn Beck is saying that the University of Indiana (which doesn't do official crowd estimates) is "saying" 1.5 million.. When every reputable source has said "Tens of Thousands."
I don't "want" it to be less than a million.. I want to be told the truth. If you're trying to tell me that there were 15 times more people there than there were, I'm going to write you off as someone who's full of crap.
See, if you're not even telling me the truth about how many people you had at your demonstration, why should I buy any other thing that you say?
When you start off with things like "Biggest march on Washington in History" and anyone with an internet connection can prove that's not true, why should I even bother listening to you?0 -
Jasunmark wrote:
You might want to reconsider that. I mean, I did watch what he was saying a few times but in the end, he's nuts. He doesn't understand he words he's using and he's coming across like that drunk at a bar who thinks he knows it all but doesn't even understand the basics. He's the Cliff Claven of political pundits.
i've been trying for years to describe the guy and that is it! gracias!!0
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