STAND UP!!!!!

blondieblue227

keeponrockin wrote:

The fact that the United States doesn't is astonishing to me, absolutley astonishing. Do you guys not care? I saw a guy on CNN talking about how he wants a Hummer but can't have one because of money.. Do Americans really think health care is like this? Really?

i care.
but i'm not a greedy money making mo fo either.

http://ivys2cents.blogspot.com/search/label/healthcare

blondieblue227

Jeanwah wrote:

But the insurance industry is included in the reform Obama's talking about. Take the insurance companies out of the picture, and then I may be interested.

from that i gather you'd be on the public option if it was in the bill.
reps say everybody would do as you would and that's what they don't like.
even thou insurance companies would be around in the bill, most people like you did would choose public option. Then it would be a government controled thing, because the majority would probably choose public option/government healthcare. And like soul singing I don’t see why we can’t try it like that for a while. But reps aren't for govenment controled anything.

.......but they were in office for years and the mess kept getting worse. so i feel if they couldn't fix they should shut the hell up now.

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

sent by rush dude you are so far left you don't even make sense.

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Here's some more 'Leftist' stuff that won't make any sense to you...
I wonder... how many people are complaining about Heatlh Care reform... already have Health Care?
And where do they get their Health Care from?
An Employer? What happens if you get laid off?
A parent's Employer? What happens when you turn 18?
Did they buy a policy? What did that cost and does it increase over the years?
And...
Why is it that people are against 'entitlement' programs... yet, graciously accept Medicare/Medicaid for themselves or an elderly parent? Isn't Medicare a Socialist Entitlement Program?
And the people who complain about the poor people... you know, lazy and don't want to get a job and just want a free government handout. Then, they tell me about how charitable they are towards the needy and less fortunate... aren't they the same poor, lazy people who are looking for a free handout? Why are they giving them money... and oppose to their tax dollars going to the poor? How does THAT work?

Cosmo would you stop fucking ranting that republicans don't want health care reform. They simply do not want Public Option because they don't want the government to control it. Why don't you feel that way...you want a government run health care?? Your freakin democrats want to prosecute republicans while your freakin Obama hires a Treasury of State that doesn't even pay his taxes....but he works for Obama so thats o.k.......alright, now i'm ranting

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First off... WHERE do I say "Republicans don't want Health Care Reform"? I'll tell you where... NOWHERE.
If the House Republicans don't want the Public Option... then, they need to get off their asses and debate the issue in session and come up with an alternative plan to cover the Americans without any Health Care Coverage.
And the rest of your rant is incoherent gibberish... which I cannot respond to because it makes no fucking sense. I do not respond to verbal static, clicks and buzzes.
And YES... I want a Public Option to cover those of MY FELLOW AMERICANS who are not covered. Run it like the Post Office... sure, why not? I do not see the Post Office putting UPS and FedEX out of business, do you? They all do the same thing, deliver postal packages, right? Why isn't UPS out of business because of the Public Option of the U.S. Postal Service?
I don't expect top notch health care in the public option... just basic Health Care, so poor single parent mothers can get medicine for themselves and their kids. If that makes me a 'freakin Democrat' by your standards, fine... but, what is that saying about you?
And what part of the word 'OPTION', don't you understand???

TriumphantAngel

keeponrockin wrote:

I'm an American/Canadian dual citizen living in Canada, I like government run care. I go to the doctor for something, and it doesn't cost me anything. Is the system perfect? No. However, I'm willing to pay more taxes, knowing my neighbour next door won't go bankrupt if he gets sick. The fact that the United States doesn't is astonishing to me, absolutley astonishing. Do you guys not care? I saw a guy on CNN talking about how he wants a Hummer but can't have one because of money.. Do Americans really think health care is like this? Really?

My sentiments exactly.

The Health system in the States is nothing to be proud of. Government run health care is not without some problems either, but I've worked in a country that has universal health care and im working in a country that doesn't. So i have experienced both.

The one thing i will say about the Country that did have it....people that require urgent life saving non elective surgery are treated as a priority. The same thing does not happen here.

And thats a fact. What good is you having the best doctors in the world, when the people that need them the most can't get treatment?

blondieblue227

I don’t see why this has become a Rep vs. Dem thing.
It’s people’s life’s we are talking about.

It’s not about bringing down the first black president, it’s not about keeping the rich rich.

It’s about taking care of your community.
I’m sick of this ‘me, me, me!’ society.

blondieblue227

TriumphantAngel wrote:

And thats a fact. What good is you having the best doctors in the world, when the people that need them the most can't get treatment?

Or how can you be a good doctor knowing you had to make decisions based on how much money you want to rake in at the end of the day? Why would you trust somebody with your wellbeing that was motivated by money?

Jeanwah

blondieblue227 wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

But the insurance industry is included in the reform Obama's talking about. Take the insurance companies out of the picture, and then I may be interested.

from that i gather you'd be on the public option if it was in the bill.
reps say everybody would do as you would and that's what they don't like.
even thou insurance companies would be around in the bill, most people like you did would choose public option. Then it would be a government controled thing, because the majority would probably choose public option/government healthcare. And like soul singing I don’t see why we can’t try it like that for a while. But reps aren't for govenment controled anything.

.......but they were in office for years and the mess kept getting worse. so i feel if they couldn't fix they should shut the hell up now.

Thanks for the info. I admit, I haven't really read enough about Obama's bill, just haven't done it. I can see why Libertarian leaning folks wouldn't be happy with a public option, but who exactly praises these slimeball insurance companies? I mean, what is better/worse? Insurance companies or the gov't running our healthcare? No American truly knows the answer to that question. Since we've never had the option of universal healthcare, I find it ironic that so many people are against something they've never experienced before. Basically, it's just fearing the idea of change. Yet we voted Obama in to create change.

soulsinging

Jeanwah wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Yes, I want a government run health care. The insurance industry has fucked it up so bad it needs new ownership. Who else is going to do it?

hahaha. i love it.

But the insurance industry is included in the reform Obama's talking about. Take the insurance companies out of the picture, and then I may be interested.

Oh I agree. But a start is better than nothing.

jlew24asu

blondieblue227 wrote:

I don’t see why this has become a Rep vs. Dem thing.
It’s people’s life’s we are talking about.

It’s not about bringing down the first black president, it’s not about keeping the rich rich.

It’s about taking care of your community.
I’m sick of this ‘me, me, me!’ society.

I agree 110%. and this CAN be done without government run healthcare. lets figure it out.

blondieblue227

jlew24asu wrote:

I agree 110%. and this CAN be done without government run healthcare. lets figure it out.

The government I see is stepping in because for decades healthcare has tried to be fixed and nothing’s come of it. so if congress has argued for decades about it, what’s the chance of them cutting the shit and coming together to fix it now? Chances are low.

They can’t. they have tried and failed. Why give them more time?

Cosmo

blondieblue227 wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

I agree 110%. and this CAN be done without government run healthcare. lets figure it out.

The government I see is stepping in because for decades healthcare has tried to be fixed and nothing’s come of it. so if congress has argued for decades about it, what’s the chance of them cutting the shit and coming together to fix it now? Chances are low.

They can’t. they have tried and failed. Why give them more time?

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And if Republican Congressmen want Tort Reform worked into the Bill... then, fucking get off your asses and do the fucking job we are paying you to do. Whimpering about government takeovers while sucking your thumb and curled up in a ball on the floor in the corner isn't helping.
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Personally... I think Tort Reform is a good thing. There are patients who sue their surgeons (that saved their fucking lives) because they don't want to pay the massive deductible. That also mneeds to be 'reformed'. i want the fuckheads who are acting like bitches to quit being such partisan shitheads and argue this item in.

OnTheEdge

Cosmo wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

I agree 110%. and this CAN be done without government run healthcare. lets figure it out.

The government I see is stepping in because for decades healthcare has tried to be fixed and nothing’s come of it. so if congress has argued for decades about it, what’s the chance of them cutting the shit and coming together to fix it now? Chances are low.

They can’t. they have tried and failed. Why give them more time?

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And if Republican Congressmen want Tort Reform worked into the Bill... then, fucking get off your asses and do the fucking job we are paying you to do. Whimpering about government takeovers while sucking your thumb and curled up in a ball on the floor in the corner isn't helping.
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Personally... I think Tort Reform is a good thing. There are patients who sue their surgeons (that saved their fucking lives) because they don't want to pay the massive deductible. That also mneeds to be 'reformed'. i want the fuckheads who are acting like bitches to quit being such partisan shitheads and argue this item in.

The problem is Cosmo that people do get off there asses and try to do something about it but the government makes them feel like there not heard.as Obama said" don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media" thats not how this country is supposed to be run.we're supposed to be heard and respected from all angles. And on your last post about U.S Postal service and UPS. I work at UPS and I work really freakin hard, pay my union dues and therefore the union gives me insurance...not UPS. But all i'm hearing about this government run Health Care that people are so in favor for is that i'm going to lose that. If people want good benifits how about instead of getting off there asses and screaming at the government about H.C so they can get it for nothing(or from the people that work for it)how about they get off there asses and go to college and get a good job and get it for themselves!! that would be 1 point for me seeing how people are keeping score.

OnTheEdge

blondieblue227 wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

I agree 110%. and this CAN be done without government run healthcare. lets figure it out.

The government I see is stepping in because for decades healthcare has tried to be fixed and nothing’s come of it. so if congress has argued for decades about it, what’s the chance of them cutting the shit and coming together to fix it now? Chances are low.

They can’t. they have tried and failed. Why give them more time?

hmmmm...isn't medicare run by the government?and ummmm, isn't it going broke?so fuck it, lets make them captain of the whole ship....we'll all go down together.

blondieblue227

mb262200 wrote:

The problem is Cosmo that people do get off there asses and try to do something about it but the government makes them feel like there not heard.as Obama said" don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media" thats not how this country is supposed to be run.we're supposed to be heard and respected from all angles.

You know why we the people by the people doesn’t apply anymore?
Money.
Fat cats and lobbys make nearly all the decisions in DC.
We need to take it back.
How?

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

The problem is Cosmo that people do get off there asses and try to do something about it but the government makes them feel like there not heard.as Obama said" don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media" thats not how this country is supposed to be run.we're supposed to be heard and respected from all angles. And on your last post about U.S Postal service and UPS. I work at UPS and I work really freakin hard, pay my union dues and therefore the union gives me insurance...not UPS. But all i'm hearing about this government run Health Care that people are so in favor for is that i'm going to lose that. If people want good benifits how about instead of getting off there asses and screaming at the government about H.C so they can get it for nothing(or from the people that work for it)how about they get off there asses and go to college and get a good job and get it for themselves!! that would be 1 point for me seeing how people are keeping score.

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I searched a couple of ways and can't find a thing on this quote:
"don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media"
So, you are going to have to post up a reference on it so I can verify that it is true. Otherwise, i am left with no alternative but to believe you are just making it up to support your view.
Subtact 10 points for 'making shit up'
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Now... you work for UPS. Are you guys going out of business because of the Post Office? The Post Office is offering Americans a Public Option regarding package delivery. Why doesn't everyone just got to the post office to save money?
Also... what happens if you leave UPS? Are you still in the Union? Do you still pay dues and receive Health Care Insurance?
And what about the person who did go to college... found a job at a small business (who don't have Union protection and cannot afford to pay for Health Care Insurance fror their workers)? Let's say, they slip in their bathroom and crack a vertebrae and cannot work?
You say, "Fuck Them'... i want to help them.
How many points to you score for that one?

OnTheEdge

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

The problem is Cosmo that people do get off there asses and try to do something about it but the government makes them feel like there not heard.as Obama said" don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media" thats not how this country is supposed to be run.we're supposed to be heard and respected from all angles. And on your last post about U.S Postal service and UPS. I work at UPS and I work really freakin hard, pay my union dues and therefore the union gives me insurance...not UPS. But all i'm hearing about this government run Health Care that people are so in favor for is that i'm going to lose that. If people want good benifits how about instead of getting off there asses and screaming at the government about H.C so they can get it for nothing(or from the people that work for it)how about they get off there asses and go to college and get a good job and get it for themselves!! that would be 1 point for me seeing how people are keeping score.

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I searched a couple of ways and can't find a thing on this quote:
"don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media"
So, you are going to have to post up a reference on it so I can verify that it is true. Otherwise, i am left with no alternative but to believe you are just making it up to support your view.
Subtact 10 points for 'making shit up'
...
Now... you work for UPS. Are you guys going out of business because of the Post Office? The Post Office is offering Americans a Public Option regarding package delivery. Why doesn't everyone just got to the post office to save money?
Also... what happens if you leave UPS? Are you still in the Union? Do you still pay dues and receive Health Care Insurance?
And what about the person who did go to college... found a job at a small business (who don't have Union protection and cannot afford to pay for Health Care Insurance fror their workers)? Let's say, they slip in their bathroom and crack a vertebrae and cannot work?
You say, "Fuck Them'... i want to help them.
How many points to you score for that one?

I only saw it on FOXNEWS as a clip....but i'm sure they found all kinds of clips where Obamas wearing the same suit, has the same background, and is in the same building and cut them all up and put them together to make it LOOK like he was saying that....silly me. Of course you haven't seen it because you don't watch or listen to anything that doesn't agrree with you (i'm gathering).That's where the liberal main stream media comes in, they don't show it...so you don't see it.Oh but wait i'm sorry,you don't watch the news..i forgot...you have some magical way of getting all the answers and there all true..i'm sorry

Pepe Silvia

mb262200 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

The problem is Cosmo that people do get off there asses and try to do something about it but the government makes them feel like there not heard.as Obama said" don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media" thats not how this country is supposed to be run.we're supposed to be heard and respected from all angles. And on your last post about U.S Postal service and UPS. I work at UPS and I work really freakin hard, pay my union dues and therefore the union gives me insurance...not UPS. But all i'm hearing about this government run Health Care that people are so in favor for is that i'm going to lose that. If people want good benifits how about instead of getting off there asses and screaming at the government about H.C so they can get it for nothing(or from the people that work for it)how about they get off there asses and go to college and get a good job and get it for themselves!! that would be 1 point for me seeing how people are keeping score.

...
I searched a couple of ways and can't find a thing on this quote:
"don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media"
So, you are going to have to post up a reference on it so I can verify that it is true. Otherwise, i am left with no alternative but to believe you are just making it up to support your view.
Subtact 10 points for 'making shit up'
...
Now... you work for UPS. Are you guys going out of business because of the Post Office? The Post Office is offering Americans a Public Option regarding package delivery. Why doesn't everyone just got to the post office to save money?
Also... what happens if you leave UPS? Are you still in the Union? Do you still pay dues and receive Health Care Insurance?
And what about the person who did go to college... found a job at a small business (who don't have Union protection and cannot afford to pay for Health Care Insurance fror their workers)? Let's say, they slip in their bathroom and crack a vertebrae and cannot work?
You say, "Fuck Them'... i want to help them.
How many points to you score for that one?

I only saw it on FOXNEWS as a clip....but i'm sure they found all kinds of clips where Obamas wearing the same suit, has the same background, and is in the same building and cut them all up and put them together to make it LOOK like he was saying that....silly me. Of course you haven't seen it because you don't watch or listen to anything that doesn't agrree with you (i'm gathering).That's where the liberal main stream media comes in, they don't show it...so you don't see it.Oh but wait i'm sorry,you don't watch the news..i forgot...you have some magical way of getting all the answers and there all true..i'm sorry

does Fox have transcripts like the other networks?

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

The problem is Cosmo that people do get off there asses and try to do something about it but the government makes them feel like there not heard.as Obama said" don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media" thats not how this country is supposed to be run.we're supposed to be heard and respected from all angles. And on your last post about U.S Postal service and UPS. I work at UPS and I work really freakin hard, pay my union dues and therefore the union gives me insurance...not UPS. But all i'm hearing about this government run Health Care that people are so in favor for is that i'm going to lose that. If people want good benifits how about instead of getting off there asses and screaming at the government about H.C so they can get it for nothing(or from the people that work for it)how about they get off there asses and go to college and get a good job and get it for themselves!! that would be 1 point for me seeing how people are keeping score.

...
I searched a couple of ways and can't find a thing on this quote:
"don't pay any attention to them protesters,there not in main stream media"
So, you are going to have to post up a reference on it so I can verify that it is true. Otherwise, i am left with no alternative but to believe you are just making it up to support your view.
Subtact 10 points for 'making shit up'
...
Now... you work for UPS. Are you guys going out of business because of the Post Office? The Post Office is offering Americans a Public Option regarding package delivery. Why doesn't everyone just got to the post office to save money?
Also... what happens if you leave UPS? Are you still in the Union? Do you still pay dues and receive Health Care Insurance?
And what about the person who did go to college... found a job at a small business (who don't have Union protection and cannot afford to pay for Health Care Insurance fror their workers)? Let's say, they slip in their bathroom and crack a vertebrae and cannot work?
You say, "Fuck Them'... i want to help them.
How many points to you score for that one?

I only saw it on FOXNEWS as a clip....but i'm sure they found all kinds of clips where Obamas wearing the same suit, has the same background, and is in the same building and cut them all up and put them together to make it LOOK like he was saying that....silly me. Of course you haven't seen it because you don't watch or listen to anything that doesn't agrree with you (i'm gathering).That's where the liberal main stream media comes in, they don't show it...so you don't see it.Oh but wait i'm sorry,you don't watch the news..i forgot...you have some magical way of getting all the answers and there all true..i'm sorry

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Do you know that there are Presidential Transcripts? All prepared speeches are recorded and transcripts made avaliable. If you wanted Lincoln's Gettysberg's Address, Kennedy's Inaguration speech or Harding's State of the Union... it's there, in the Library of Congress or www.whitehouse.gov . If Obama said this... it's recorded somewhere.
Here is one place to look:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/Remarks/

You need to let me know what was said, or where I can locate the source... otherwise, you leave me no alternative than to believe you are just making shit up.
Also... you don't know me very well, do you? Did you know I listen to Rush Limbaugh? I watch Sean Hannity? I don't buy into their shit because they are like you... they take one sentence and parade it out of context. When you read the entire piece, with the sentence in context of the idea... you get a clearer, less slanted version and can form an objective opinion.

OnTheEdge

I don't watch Rush or Hannity. I agree with you totaly. But I do watch Glenn Beck. Watch him for me and give me some input on stuff he says. I would really like to hear it. And i'm being serious not sarcastic. I want to hear a democrats outtake on some of Becks beliefs. "The New Republic"

OnTheEdge

I checked out your link. I don't believe the white house would release such a stupid statement. I know you don't like FOXNEWS, theres alot on there that I don't like...but I proomise you, you'll find out stuff about our government that NO OTHER news channel will ever tell you. I don't make shit up, if I said it I heard it or saw it.....but it doesn't mean it's all true, we all know that.