backspacer.....meh

capecodriot

AllNiteThing wrote:

capecodriot wrote:

yes i will buy the album, yes i love pearl jam, no i didnt illegally download it, i dont download music cause it sounds like shit, no i dont know anything about amazon.com playing the new album and im sorry if you feel i didnt do a good job of reporting, i will add the eds voice sounds the best out of any record that they've done and i hope brendan obrien produces the rest of their catalouge, another thing that bothered me a little about the album is how many fadeouts there were, about half the album have fadeouts! im hoping these songs get extended live, ed and stone really shine

What about Mike? What are the guitar solos like? What is the chorus in Amongst the Waves sound like? Any info on the lyrics to it too?

mike def isnt at the forefront which is a little disheartening, but his solos (amongst the waves, johnnyguitar, the end in particular) are different from what we're usually accustomed to when you think of the typical mike solo which is a cool thing i think again i think ill like it even more after when i get hear it again, i dont have thecopy anymore, they kind of speedup andslow down and givethe songs a different pj feel, that only us pj freaks would pick up on..

pjsyco

cdp1223 wrote:

This "review".....meh.

My thoughts exactly

facepollution

SolarWorld wrote:

Benzor wrote:

I have friends in the music business. They are not big time but their music gets ripped off all the time. Pay for your music.

But 99% of people from here HAVE paid for it through a pre-order.

SolarWorld

DS114969 wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Benzor wrote:

in regards to solar..

i just want to know why he is so passionate against something so insignificant and something that he has no control over in the grand scheme of things. is his life that mundane that he has to scold and belittle people on a message board for downloading music?? i have no real position on the issue but i'm merely wondering what his problem is.

I have friends in the music business. They are not big time but their music gets ripped off all the time. Pay for your music.

In the case of a possible Backspacer leak, which is what we were discussing here, I think most of us did pay for that music.

And if you get it before the release date you are contributing to the system that takes money out of artists pocket. You put money in, most people dont. Just fucking wait. Its three weeks.

AllNiteThing

capecodriot wrote:

AllNiteThing wrote:

capecodriot wrote:

yes i will buy the album, yes i love pearl jam, no i didnt illegally download it, i dont download music cause it sounds like shit, no i dont know anything about amazon.com playing the new album and im sorry if you feel i didnt do a good job of reporting, i will add the eds voice sounds the best out of any record that they've done and i hope brendan obrien produces the rest of their catalouge, another thing that bothered me a little about the album is how many fadeouts there were, about half the album have fadeouts! im hoping these songs get extended live, ed and stone really shine

What about Mike? What are the guitar solos like? What is the chorus in Amongst the Waves sound like? Any info on the lyrics to it too?

mike def isnt at the forefront which is a little disheartening, but his solos (amongst the waves, johnnyguitar, the end in particular) are different from what we're usually accustomed to when you think of the typical mike solo which is a cool thing i think again i think ill like it even more after when i get hear it again, i dont have thecopy anymore, they kind of speedup andslow down and givethe songs a different pj feel, that only us pj freaks would pick up on..

Cool. Can you give a brief rundown of each song, maybe different things we haven't heard from the other reviews or clips yet? Things you noticed or liked?

the wolf

benjs wrote:

SolarWorld - I have a couple of questions for you. First of all - what have you done for yourself or for anyone else by making the statements you've made? You have failed to better yourself, or right the wrongs that you seem to believe are around here, but have succeeded at putting people down.. I'd call that purposeless, and if you have no purpose in what you say or what you do, what's the point?
Second, you seem to be living by a set of double-standards.. you call people infantile, and you also call them moronic and dirt bags. Huh?
Finally - I personally (and I would imagine many others on here have as well) pre-ordered the album on vinyl and on CD, and if I see it on a torrent site, I will download it. Frankly, I see no reason to pass judgment on people as 'awful people' when they have full intentions of supporting the band. I am not taking any profit (or even potential profit) away from the band from my downloading of their album before-hand... and that's even if it WERE leaked, which it's not.

but... if you DL it from a torrent, and then leave it up, someone could DL it and not buy the album.

it goes in circles. i think it sucks myself, but also know that the industry brought it on its self.

p.s. i have DL albums myself, some i buy and some i dont. so i'm not judging anyone here, but i see solars argument, i just dont agree with the name calling.

Benzor

facepollution wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Benzor wrote:

I have friends in the music business. They are not big time but their music gets ripped off all the time. Pay for your music.

But 99% of people from here HAVE paid for it through a pre-order.

he's clueless dont even bother. if he wants to crusade against downloading this is a ridiculous place to do it.

JonnyPistachio

SolarWorld wrote:

P.S. Dont steal fucking music, its a dirt bag thing to do.

I dont know why you shouldnt steal Barry Whites music, but its okay to steal all others.
get it? fucking music? ha! i'm so funny.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

Benj - to your last comment, I think Solar already answered that for you. He said you become part of the distributorship of the illegally uploaded music. As soon as your torrent finishes, you become a seeder and thus a partial provider of the album to anyone on the web with a torrent program. Unless you are going to claim you close your torrent program the second your torrents finish downloading...which I doubt. You may have ordered the album, but most people on a torrent site are there to obtain the music for free right?

Benzor

the wolf wrote:

benjs wrote:

SolarWorld - I have a couple of questions for you. First of all - what have you done for yourself or for anyone else by making the statements you've made? You have failed to better yourself, or right the wrongs that you seem to believe are around here, but have succeeded at putting people down.. I'd call that purposeless, and if you have no purpose in what you say or what you do, what's the point?
Second, you seem to be living by a set of double-standards.. you call people infantile, and you also call them moronic and dirt bags. Huh?
Finally - I personally (and I would imagine many others on here have as well) pre-ordered the album on vinyl and on CD, and if I see it on a torrent site, I will download it. Frankly, I see no reason to pass judgment on people as 'awful people' when they have full intentions of supporting the band. I am not taking any profit (or even potential profit) away from the band from my downloading of their album before-hand... and that's even if it WERE leaked, which it's not.

but... if you DL it from a torrent, and then leave it up, someone could DL it and not buy the album.

it goes in circles. i think it sucks myself, but also know that the industry brought it on its self.

p.s. i have DL albums myself, some i buy and some i dont. so i'm not judging anyone here, but i see solars argument, i just dont agree with the name calling.

if you dl from and see it there will be 100 other people seeding it with you...your making no difference. people that dont want to pay will get the album regardless of what you do. we all paid at least once. me downloading a leek effects no one.

pjsyco

JonnyPistachio wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

P.S. Dont steal fucking music, its a dirt bag thing to do.

I dont know why you shouldnt steal Barry Whites music, but its okay to steal all others.
get it? fucking music? ha! i'm so funny.

That was pretty goddamn funny....I chuckled a bit

Better Dan

the wolf wrote:

benjs wrote:

SolarWorld - I have a couple of questions for you. First of all - what have you done for yourself or for anyone else by making the statements you've made? You have failed to better yourself, or right the wrongs that you seem to believe are around here, but have succeeded at putting people down.. I'd call that purposeless, and if you have no purpose in what you say or what you do, what's the point?
Second, you seem to be living by a set of double-standards.. you call people infantile, and you also call them moronic and dirt bags. Huh?
Finally - I personally (and I would imagine many others on here have as well) pre-ordered the album on vinyl and on CD, and if I see it on a torrent site, I will download it. Frankly, I see no reason to pass judgment on people as 'awful people' when they have full intentions of supporting the band. I am not taking any profit (or even potential profit) away from the band from my downloading of their album before-hand... and that's even if it WERE leaked, which it's not.

but... if you DL it from a torrent, and then leave it up, someone could DL it and not buy the album.

it goes in circles. i think it sucks myself, but also know that the industry brought it on its self.

p.s. i have DL albums myself, some i buy and some i dont. so i'm not judging anyone here, but i see solars argument, i just dont agree with the name calling.

I see the point also, but if someone sees the torrent the day of the album release they could still DL it and not buy the album. There's no way to prevent that. Most of us who really want to hear it early are the hardcore fans that have already preordered.

hopethatuchoke

SolarWorld wrote:

I dont understand why people feel it's ok to steal fucking music. Dirt Bag...

SolarWorld wrote:

Its just "punctuation" to my points. Don't cry. I swear everyone around here is so quick to pull out the tissues these days. It aint personal.

P.S. Dont steal fucking music, its a dirt bag thing to do.

SolarWorld wrote:

Like I give a flying fuck what you people "think" of me. Seriously.

1. People who steal music ---> Dirt Bags
2. People who defend stealing music ---> Morons

/story

I'm not exactly the most positive and well liked poster around here but virtually all of your posts are negative, cocky bullshit. And you very obviously do care what people think about you if you take the time to respond and defend yourself. In honor of you, i'm going to go steal some music right now and since I pre-ordered the CD from the Ten Club, I fully plan on downloading the album when it leaks. I will be sure to let you and your "friends in the business" know how it is.

the wolf

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

Benj - to your last comment, I think Solar already answered that for you. He said you become part of the distributorship of the illegally uploaded music. As soon as your torrent finishes, you become a seeder and thus a partial provider of the album to anyone on the web with a torrent program. Unless you are going to claim you close your torrent program the second your torrents finish downloading...which I doubt. You may have ordered the album, but most people on a torrent site are there to obtain the music for free right?

i guess this is what i was trying to say.

being in a band myself and seeing how things have changed maybe makes me think about it different.

Benzor

the wolf wrote:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

Benj - to your last comment, I think Solar already answered that for you. He said you become part of the distributorship of the illegally uploaded music. As soon as your torrent finishes, you become a seeder and thus a partial provider of the album to anyone on the web with a torrent program. Unless you are going to claim you close your torrent program the second your torrents finish downloading...which I doubt. You may have ordered the album, but most people on a torrent site are there to obtain the music for free right?

i guess this is what i was trying to say.

being in a band myself and seeing how things have changed maybe makes me think about it different.

realistically it does not matter. people that dont want to pay for it will get it for for free weather not not any of us download it and seed it.

facepollution

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

Benj - to your last comment, I think Solar already answered that for you. He said you become part of the distributorship of the illegally uploaded music. As soon as your torrent finishes, you become a seeder and thus a partial provider of the album to anyone on the web with a torrent program. Unless you are going to claim you close your torrent program the second your torrents finish downloading...which I doubt. You may have ordered the album, but most people on a torrent site are there to obtain the music for free right?

Personally, I do close the torrent as soon as it's downloaded.

At the end of the day, the people who don't like to pay for records, will be able to get it for free in a couple of weeks when it's released anyway - they're no more likely to pay for it then than they would now.

benjs

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

Benj - to your last comment, I think Solar already answered that for you. He said you become part of the distributorship of the illegally uploaded music. As soon as your torrent finishes, you become a seeder and thus a partial provider of the album to anyone on the web with a torrent program. Unless you are going to claim you close your torrent program the second your torrents finish downloading...which I doubt. You may have ordered the album, but most people on a torrent site are there to obtain the music for free right?

Actually, I do, believe it or not, but I can't claim they're for good reasons, just that I live in a house with six other people with mediocre internet.. while downloading torrents, I leave it uploading at about 10kb/s, and when the cue's done, I have my torrent program set to close. I hadn't even thought of that, but I see where you and SolarWorld are coming from on that.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

I agree they will get it for free if they want, but why would you want to be an enabler? It just seems like a cop-out excuse for those people who can't wait for the album to come out to justify their actions.

SolarWorld

As soon as you have a large enough "piece" downloaded, you will seed it as soon as someone connects to you. You are seeding as you download.

Jeremys Spoken

hopethatuchoke wrote:

I'm not exactly the most positive and well liked poster around here but virtually all of your posts are negative, cocky bullshit. And you very obviously do care what people think about you if you take the time to respond and defend yourself. In honor of you, i'm going to go steal some music right now and since I pre-ordered the CD from the Ten Club, I fully plan on downloading the album when it leaks. I will be sure to let you and your "friends in the business" know how it is.

I'll vouch for that!


LOL j.k.