socialism

Mortality

Smellyman wrote:

Mortality wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

Hong Kong is one of the biggest economies in the world. Lots of cash and very high quality of life. Explain why it is half communist please.....

you need to get out more. Do you have a passport?

Hong Kong isnt communist, I said half of that country. China is communist. Yes I have a passport, I just went to the Toronto show. I go to Montreal all the time and I have been to Italy. Not only do teachers base in reality, they stress that America is the bad guys. Im only 23 so HS is pretty recent to me, and I know that I was brought up to hate America. I only recently began to love America when I snapped out of it and realized we are all spoiled rotten in this country. Yeah, you have to work hard, but you awarded well if you do.

did you snap out of it around the time you started to watch fox news.....

HAHA good one. I have watched that, no more than any other channel though, and I can un-biasedly say that it is bad, but no worse than the liberal agenda stations. I dont associate with a party. I always seem to be arguing with everyone because everyone is on one side or the other. I wouldnt say Im in the middle, just on a different side for every issue.

i shit and i stink

Mortality wrote:

The sub-prime mortgage program wasnt a socialist program to help poor people get mortgages they couldnt afford? Im sorry, but I think you are mistaken. It sounded like a great idea, but it collapsed in a way everyone should have saw coming because it was stated all along. Give people mortgages they couldnt afford! How did they think it was going to end?

It was a terrible idea, agreed, but not a socialist one. There is a difference between schemes aimed at the lower end of the wealth scale and socialism. After Communism collapsed here in 1990 people were finally able to buy their own properties, there was a huge sale of state held assets, everything from the houses people lived in to the allotments they had as gardens. Fanny Mac and other private mega-lenders offering people mortgages as a road to ownership is nothing like socialism, it's the American dream.

IrishGuy

Mortality wrote:

Did a Canadian invent the automobile, airplane, telephone, electricity, computer, or assembly line? DId a Canadian spaceship travel to outerspace? None of that matters though, as long as the people are content, thats all a socialist nation cares about.

These posts always crack me up. As if they were all invented or discovered in the USA

Mortality

IrishGuy wrote:

Mortality wrote:

Did a Canadian invent the automobile, airplane, telephone, electricity, computer, or assembly line? DId a Canadian spaceship travel to outerspace? None of that matters though, as long as the people are content, thats all a socialist nation cares about.

These posts always crack me up. As if they were all invented or discovered in the USA

These always crack me up, as if they werent.

OffHeGoes29

Mortality wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

Hong Kong is one of the biggest economies in the world. Lots of cash and very high quality of life. Explain why it is half communist please.....

you need to get out more. Do you have a passport?

Hong Kong isnt communist, I said half of that country. China is communist. Yes I have a passport, I just went to the Toronto show. I go to Montreal all the time and I have been to Italy. Not only do teachers base in reality, they stress that America is the bad guys. Im only 23 so HS is pretty recent to me, and I know that I was brought up to hate America. I only recently began to love America when I snapped out of it and realized we are all spoiled rotten in this country. Yeah, you have to work hard, but you awarded well if you do.

+1

i shit and i stink

Mortality wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

Hong Kong is one of the biggest economies in the world. Lots of cash and very high quality of life. Explain why it is half communist please.....

you need to get out more. Do you have a passport?

Hong Kong isnt communist, I said half of that country. China is communist. Yes I have a passport, I just went to the Toronto show. I go to Montreal all the time and I have been to Italy. Not only do teachers base in reality, they stress that America is the bad guys. Im only 23 so HS is pretty recent to me, and I know that I was brought up to hate America. I only recently began to love America when I snapped out of it and realized we are all spoiled rotten in this country. Yeah, you have to work hard, but you awarded well if you do.

Were you all hating America when you took the pledge of allegiance at school in the mornings?

polaris_x

Mortality wrote:

I love when perfectly viable points are brushed aside as talking points. They are talking points for a reason. Canadians pay higher taxes, period. Did it help them create anything? No it just made everyone content. Did a Canadian invent the automobile, airplane, telephone, electricity, computer, or assembly line? DId a Canadian spaceship travel to outerspace? None of that matters though, as long as the people are content, thats all a socialist nation cares about.

A canadian DID invent the telephone and the CANADarm is one of the most significant developments in space history ... but why make this a pissing contest!?

here is an innovation index:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... tion_Index

yes - the US is second but your overall score is closer to Canada (6th) than it is to South Korea (which also has universal health care) ... look at the other countries on that list - Sweden is 3rd ...

the american way promotes a prosperity gap that often leads to crime issues:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_t ... tal-crimes - guess who's number 1?

i shit and i stink

polaris_x wrote:

Mortality wrote:

I love when perfectly viable points are brushed aside as talking points. They are talking points for a reason. Canadians pay higher taxes, period. Did it help them create anything? No it just made everyone content. Did a Canadian invent the automobile, airplane, telephone, electricity, computer, or assembly line? DId a Canadian spaceship travel to outerspace? None of that matters though, as long as the people are content, thats all a socialist nation cares about.

A canadian DID invent the telephone and the CANADarm is one of the most significant developments in space history ... but why make this a pissing contest!?

here is an innovation index:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... tion_Index

yes - the US is second but your overall score is closer to Canada (6th) than it is to South Korea (which also has universal health care) ... look at the other countries on that list - Sweden is 3rd ...

the american way promotes a prosperity gap that often leads to crime issues:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_t ... tal-crimes - guess who's number 1?

Alexander Graham Bell was born on March 3, 1847 in Edinburgh, Scotland. In 1870, Bell and his family moved to Canada.

Antonio Meucci moved to Cuba then to America in his thirties and was an Italian, born and raised in Italy.

Neither was Canadian or American. Niether ever claimed to be American or Canadian. You are both/all wrong. End of...

Now, can we PLEASE stop just comparing Canada and America and get somewhere close to the topic?!

cincybearcat

Smellyman wrote:

Do you have a passport?

Such an elitist bullshit comment. Get over yourself. There are lots of people that will never have the means to travel outside their country.

polaris_x

i shit and i stink wrote:

Alexander Graham Bell was born on March 3, 1847 in Edinburgh, Scotland. In 1870, Bell and his family moved to Canada.

Antonio Meucci moved to Cuba then to America in his thirties and was an Italian, born and raised in Italy.

Neither was Canadian or American. Niether ever claimed to be American or Canadian. You are both/all wrong. End of...

Now, can we PLEASE stop just comparing Canada and America and get somewhere close to the topic?!

yeah - it definitely can be argued if bell was truly a canadian - but my primary point was that he's out to lunch in his beliefs ...

Smellyman

cincybearcat wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

Do you have a passport?

Such an elitist bullshit comment. Get over yourself. There are lots of people that will never have the means to travel outside their country.

Well then don't claim America is the best and it is no contest if you haven't traveled elsewhere.

I would call that elitist...or perhaps ignorance.

Pepe Silvia

fife wrote:

don't worry about it. i find that many americans don't actually know that much abotu our health care system. some believe that we can't pick our doctors which is not true. some believe that we can't decide what meds we take which is not true. some believe that its free which is not true. we die faster, not true. i saw on CNN one day a commercial from the GOP about some women from canada who had to go to america to save her life because she had to wait here. that might be true but there are more people who have had better experiences tham her's. if youy look at our polls, teh majority of canadians are very happy with our health care system.

what are your typical wait times up there for appointments in Canada? i have a friend here in the US who started having some sort of imbalance, she saw her doctor a few times who referred her to a specialist saying some forms of cancer behave the way that is happening to her....she had insurance, even worked at a hospital but it still took nearly 3 months to get seen by a specialist!

cincybearcat

Smellyman wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Smellyman wrote:

Do you have a passport?

Such an elitist bullshit comment. Get over yourself. There are lots of people that will never have the means to travel outside their country.

Well then don't claim America is the best and it is no contest if you haven't traveled elsewhere.

I would call that elitist...or perhaps ignorance.

I didn't claim it. And I've been to Ireland, France, Switzerland, Belgium, Mexico, Canada, and a few islands in the Atlantic....I know I am missing 1 or 2....can't remember.

People just always throw out the passport card...when many don't have the means. I would also suggest than that no one that hasn't been to America is allowed to comment on how bad it is. Boy, there will be nothing to talk about on this thread.

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

[ I would also suggest than that no one that hasn't been to America is allowed to comment on how bad it is. Boy, there will be nothing to talk about on this thread.

blame your foreign policy for that. you forget that whatever the US does internationally affects many more people than just americans. that is why people have such a negative opinion of americans.

fife

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

fife wrote:

don't worry about it. i find that many americans don't actually know that much abotu our health care system. some believe that we can't pick our doctors which is not true. some believe that we can't decide what meds we take which is not true. some believe that its free which is not true. we die faster, not true. i saw on CNN one day a commercial from the GOP about some women from canada who had to go to america to save her life because she had to wait here. that might be true but there are more people who have had better experiences tham her's. if youy look at our polls, teh majority of canadians are very happy with our health care system.

what are your typical wait times up there for appointments in Canada? i have a friend here in the US who started having some sort of imbalance, she saw her doctor a few times who referred her to a specialist saying some forms of cancer behave the way that is happening to her....she had insurance, even worked at a hospital but it still took nearly 3 months to get seen by a specialist!

thats a good question. it really all depends are where you live. for example my father had cancer and was able to see a specialist in 3 days. but we live in a main city. in other smaller cities teh wait times can be longer due to lack of doctors in those parts. myself, i can book an appointment with my GP the same day. agian this is just my experience. others might say differently. i don't think you will find any health care system that is perfect. in canada we have a lack of doctors in rural areas. this is a very big issue and it puts a drain on services in main cities.

fife

Such an elitist bullshit comment. Get over yourself. There are lots of people that will never have the means to travel outside their country.[/quote]

Well then don't claim America is the best and it is no contest if you haven't traveled elsewhere.

I would call that elitist...or perhaps ignorance.[/quote]


I didn't claim it. And I've been to Ireland, France, Switzerland, Belgium, Mexico, Canada, and a few islands in the Atlantic....I know I am missing 1 or 2....can't remember.

People just always throw out the passport card...when many don't have the means. I would also suggest than that no one that hasn't been to America is allowed to comment on how bad it is. Boy, there will be nothing to talk about on this thread.[/quote]

i have been to american, and i have to say that i have never had a bad time. i have learned that i can't blame teh people for everything that the government does. i however, will always say that no country is perfect including my own. there are things that we can all learn from other countries.

fife

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

[ I would also suggest than that no one that hasn't been to America is allowed to comment on how bad it is. Boy, there will be nothing to talk about on this thread.

blame your foreign policy for that. you forget that whatever the US does internationally affects many more people than just americans. that is why people have such a negative opinion of americans.

i don't think you should blame the people for all the faulths of the government.

AndiM

And again I get confused by American notions of Europe being "socialist". I always considered Socialism to be a sort of undemocratic, totalitarian form of government and not what I see here in Europe or in Canada for that matter . But maybe that's rather a language issue with English not being my first language.

Commy

A capitalist society is motivated by greed and selfishness at its core. Life is an endless competition.

A socialist society has individuals that want to be a part of the society, is motivated by a desire to help your fellow human beings. Life is spent working together, not against one another.


There are 0 examples of socialist countries around the planet.

AndiM

*Sigh* ... The good old argument about no socialist country out there. For all that I can see both extrems would be good ideas in a perfect world, but both fail due to human nature. And, as odd as it might be, both fail to a certain degree for the same reason: man being first and foremost an egoistic being.