socialism

fife

hey I heart. this is not true. i work in a hospital and can tell you that this is a myth. there are prorites in ER. canada system is not perfect. there are issues but this one is not true.

Mortality

inmytree wrote:

Mortality wrote:

Socialism is only working in those countries because the people believe it is working. In reality, the people governing the socialist countries are winning and the working class is losing. They have to pay extremely high taxes and dont have all the freedoms Americans have. They are content, but their citizens arent inventing the automobile, the airplane, the computer, ELECTRICITY. Those are purely American inventions, come on, think it through.

yeah, I guess it's a matter of perception...kinda like how some think socialism won't work in the US...I guess the police and fire department, roads, and schools can't be classified as "socialism"...(+ the fact 40% of the population get their health care paid for through gov't programs, no socialism there... )

I really don't know how the rest of the world existed prior to America...

HAHA! My fire department is a private organization. The POLICE?? OMG you use one of the most corrupt socialized programs in the world as a good side of socialism? Hilarious. Public schools?????!!! Wow you really must be kidding yourself, public schools are a disgrace. I witnessed the most horrible things Ive seen in real life during my time attending one of those. Stabbings, drug use, teachers and students in relationships, you name it.

inmytree

Mortality wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Mortality wrote:

Socialism is only working in those countries because the people believe it is working. In reality, the people governing the socialist countries are winning and the working class is losing. They have to pay extremely high taxes and dont have all the freedoms Americans have. They are content, but their citizens arent inventing the automobile, the airplane, the computer, ELECTRICITY. Those are purely American inventions, come on, think it through.

yeah, I guess it's a matter of perception...kinda like how some think socialism won't work in the US...I guess the police and fire department, roads, and schools can't be classified as "socialism"...(+ the fact 40% of the population get their health care paid for through gov't programs, no socialism there... )

I really don't know how the rest of the world existed prior to America...

HAHA! My fire department is a private organization. The POLICE?? OMG you use one of the most corrupt socialized programs in the world as a good side of socialism? Hilarious. Public schools?????!!! Wow you really must be kidding yourself, public schools are a disgrace. I witnessed the most horrible things Ive seen in real life during my time attending one of those. Stabbings, drug use, teachers and students in relationships, you name it.

see, it's a matter of perception...and I'd be willing to bet you're embellishing to prove a point, but that's neither here nor there...

I'm sure you've never seen violence on private, for profit soil...private, for-profit places are lolliepops and butterflies....nothing bad ever happens with them...

Mortality

inmytree wrote:

see, it's a matter of perception...and I'd be willing to bet you're embellishing to prove a point, but that's neither here nor there...

I'm sure you've never seen violence on private, for profit soil...private, for-profit places are lolliepops and butterflies....nothing bad ever happens with them...

I have never once in my life seen violence on private for profit soil. You have? Now that you mention it, the only time I have witnessed it is on public soil. The school yard, the public park and basketball courts, the public pool. Publicly funded places are breeding grounds for that type of thing. Only free-loaders use them, and that is a fact.

inmytree

Mortality wrote:

inmytree wrote:

see, it's a matter of perception...and I'd be willing to bet you're embellishing to prove a point, but that's neither here nor there...

I'm sure you've never seen violence on private, for profit soil...private, for-profit places are lolliepops and butterflies....nothing bad ever happens with them...

I have never once in my life seen violence on private for profit soil. You have? Now that you mention it, the only time I have witnessed it is on public soil. The school yard, the public park and basketball courts, the public pool. Publicly funded places are breeding grounds for that type of thing. Only free-loaders use them, and that is a fact.

Songburst

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

a roommate of mine was telling me they have a friend who lives in Canada and they say they have no concept of triage, like if you go to the ER with a gun shot wound you don't get priority, you wait for everyone before you to be seen....which doesn't seem like that would be true but even if it was that isn't a requisite for socialized health care, it could be done differently

Lol -- I don't know how anyone ever buys into these stories. Just by typing this out means that you considered that there was a chance that this was the case and that is very very sad (unless of course you're 7 years old and still believe everything you hear).

fife

i am still waiting to see what freedoms americans have that candians don't have. come on mortality, i am dying to hear

fife

Mortality wrote:

inmytree wrote:

see, it's a matter of perception...and I'd be willing to bet you're embellishing to prove a point, but that's neither here nor there...

I'm sure you've never seen violence on private, for profit soil...private, for-profit places are lolliepops and butterflies....nothing bad ever happens with them...

I have never once in my life seen violence on private for profit soil. You have? Now that you mention it, the only time I have witnessed it is on public soil. The school yard, the public park and basketball courts, the public pool. Publicly funded places are breeding grounds for that type of thing. Only free-loaders use them, and that is a fact.

you are very funny. i went to private school and there was fights there. i have been in private pools and have seen people fight there too. i wonder if you have ever been to anything that is private becuase that might be the reason that you have never seen violence on private for profit soil.

Pepe Silvia

Songburst wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

a roommate of mine was telling me they have a friend who lives in Canada and they say they have no concept of triage, like if you go to the ER with a gun shot wound you don't get priority, you wait for everyone before you to be seen....which doesn't seem like that would be true but even if it was that isn't a requisite for socialized health care, it could be done differently

Lol -- I don't know how anyone ever buys into these stories. Just by typing this out means that you considered that there was a chance that this was the case and that is very very sad (unless of course you're 7 years old and still believe everything you hear).

i believe i stated what i thought about it...i saw their post and since the conversation just happened today i thought i'd ask a canadian instead

fife

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

Songburst wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

a roommate of mine was telling me they have a friend who lives in Canada and they say they have no concept of triage, like if you go to the ER with a gun shot wound you don't get priority, you wait for everyone before you to be seen....which doesn't seem like that would be true but even if it was that isn't a requisite for socialized health care, it could be done differently

Lol -- I don't know how anyone ever buys into these stories. Just by typing this out means that you considered that there was a chance that this was the case and that is very very sad (unless of course you're 7 years old and still believe everything you hear).

i believe i stated what i thought about it...i saw their post and since the conversation just happened today i thought i'd ask a canadian instead

don't worry about it. i find that many americans don't actually know that much abotu our health care system. some believe that we can't pick our doctors which is not true. some believe that we can't decide what meds we take which is not true. some believe that its free which is not true. we die faster, not true. i saw on CNN one day a commercial from the GOP about some women from canada who had to go to america to save her life because she had to wait here. that might be true but there are more people who have had better experiences tham her's. if youy look at our polls, teh majority of canadians are very happy with our health care system.

Mortality

fife wrote:

i am still waiting to see what freedoms americans have that candians don't have. come on mortality, i am dying to hear

Youre freedom is cut down from an Americans by having less disposable income. Money is freedom. More of your hard earned dollars go to the government to run socialism. Taxes duh.

Gasoline cost me so freaking much more when I just went to Toronto. More stolen disposable income. What are gas prices like in Europe? I will give you Canada is my favorite socialist nation, but still, its no USA.

ledvedderman

Mortality wrote:

fife wrote:

i am still waiting to see what freedoms americans have that candians don't have. come on mortality, i am dying to hear

Youre freedom is cut down from an Americans by having less disposable income. Money is freedom. More of your hard earned dollars go to the government to run socialism. Taxes duh.

So...uhhh besides the talking points



Where's the beef to your argument that this is anywhere near socialism? THIS is socialism...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01899.html

Mortality

ledvedderman wrote:

Mortality wrote:

fife wrote:

i am still waiting to see what freedoms americans have that candians don't have. come on mortality, i am dying to hear

Youre freedom is cut down from an Americans by having less disposable income. Money is freedom. More of your hard earned dollars go to the government to run socialism. Taxes duh.

So...uhhh besides the talking points



Where's the beef to your argument that this is anywhere near socialism? THIS is socialism...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01899.html

I love when perfectly viable points are brushed aside as talking points. They are talking points for a reason. Canadians pay higher taxes, period. Did it help them create anything? No it just made everyone content. Did a Canadian invent the automobile, airplane, telephone, electricity, computer, or assembly line? DId a Canadian spaceship travel to outerspace? None of that matters though, as long as the people are content, thats all a socialist nation cares about.

Songburst

fife wrote:

don't worry about it. i find that many americans don't actually know that much abotu our health care system. some believe that we can't pick our doctors which is not true. some believe that we can't decide what meds we take which is not true. some believe that its free which is not true. we die faster, not true. i saw on CNN one day a commercial from the GOP about some women from canada who had to go to america to save her life because she had to wait here. that might be true but there are more people who have had better experiences tham her's. if youy look at our polls, teh majority of canadians are very happy with our health care system.

Come on now. There's not knowing about a health care system and there's not thinking about something before trying to put it out there. Nobody who has the ability to think rationally would ever post that insane thought about gunshot victims waiting in lines unless it is part of an agenda.

Scout Niblett: If you are still in high-school or middle school and you haven't yet developed the skills to weed out bullshit agendas from actual facts, I apologize to you for belittling your statement. If you are over 18 years old, shame on you for trying to push some stupid, ill-informed agenda on here.

fife

Mortality wrote:

fife wrote:

i am still waiting to see what freedoms americans have that candians don't have. come on mortality, i am dying to hear

Youre freedom is cut down from an Americans by having less disposable income. Money is freedom. More of your hard earned dollars go to the government to run socialism. Taxes duh.

Gasoline cost me so freaking much more when I just went to Toronto. More stolen disposable income. What are gas prices like in Europe? I will give you Canada is my favorite socialist nation, but still, its no USA.

actually, depends are how you look at things. canadians have less debt than americans, less bankrupt people. gas prices in canada are not that much higher than in american it just we use litres not gallons so it might look higher. (not saying it is not higher but not that much)

Songburst

Mortality wrote:

I love when perfectly viable points are brushed aside as talking points. They are talking points for a reason. Canadians pay higher taxes, period. Did it help them create anything? No it just made everyone content. Did a Canadian invent the automobile, airplane, telephone, electricity, computer, or assembly line? DId a Canadian spaceship travel to outerspace? None of that matters though, as long as the people are content, thats all a socialist nation cares about.

Ummm -- Alexander Graham Bell was born in Scotland, lived in Canada and patented the telephone in the states. Canadians invented the television, electron microscope, the electric light bulb, Blackberrys, wireless radio, insulin, etc, etc.

Edit: Here's a list of the 50 greatest Canadian inventions as voted on by Canadians.
http://www.cbc.ca/inventions/

Mortality

fife wrote:

Mortality wrote:

fife wrote:

i am still waiting to see what freedoms americans have that candians don't have. come on mortality, i am dying to hear

Youre freedom is cut down from an Americans by having less disposable income. Money is freedom. More of your hard earned dollars go to the government to run socialism. Taxes duh.

Gasoline cost me so freaking much more when I just went to Toronto. More stolen disposable income. What are gas prices like in Europe? I will give you Canada is my favorite socialist nation, but still, its no USA.

actually, depends are how you look at things. canadians have less debt than americans, less bankrupt people. gas prices in canada are not that much higher than in american it just we use litres not gallons so it might look higher. (not saying it is not higher but not that much)

A gallon is a lot larger than a litre. It actually looks like 3 times less than Americas gas until you see how many freaking litres a gas tank holds. It costs me 30 dollars to fill up here and just over 50 to fill up in Canada. Approaching twice as much.

Mortality

Songburst wrote:

Mortality wrote:

I love when perfectly viable points are brushed aside as talking points. They are talking points for a reason. Canadians pay higher taxes, period. Did it help them create anything? No it just made everyone content. Did a Canadian invent the automobile, airplane, telephone, electricity, computer, or assembly line? DId a Canadian spaceship travel to outerspace? None of that matters though, as long as the people are content, thats all a socialist nation cares about.

Ummm -- Alexander Graham Bell was born in Scotland, lived in Canada and patented the telephone in the states. Canadians invented the television, electron microscope, the electric light bulb, Blackberrys, wireless radio, insulin, etc, etc.

Are you seriously going to say the telephone isnt American. It doesnt matter where a person is born, it matters what nation gives them the means to carry out their dream. America, by far, is the place someone wants come if they are going to invent something; from a product to a business. It is undeniable.

Wasnt Insulin invented before your country went to socialized medicine??

ledvedderman

Soooo are you just going to ignore the actual socialist saying that Obama's health care plan is nothing of the sort?

fife

Youre freedom is cut down from an Americans by having less disposable income. Money is freedom. More of your hard earned dollars go to the government to run socialism. Taxes duh.[/quote]

So...uhhh besides the talking points



Where's the beef to your argument that this is anywhere near socialism? THIS is socialism...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01899.html[/quote]

I love when perfectly viable points are brushed aside as talking points. They are talking points for a reason. Canadians pay higher taxes, period. Did it help them create anything? No it just made everyone content. Did a Canadian invent the automobile, airplane, telephone, electricity, computer, or assembly line? DId a Canadian spaceship travel to outerspace? None of that matters though, as long as the people are content, thats all a socialist nation cares about.[/quote]

yes candians pay more in taxes. i don't understand what you mean by creating things. do you really believe that the peopel who invented cars, planes, telephones or compouters just did that becuase they are americans or could it just be that they were smart and teh country had nothing to do with it. the french gave us great food, the english gave us great lit. italy gave us style.