One more 10c bitch

Gern Blansten

similar thing happened to me although I didn't join until 2005....then I must have changed emails and didn't update so I never got notice for renewal

renewed again in Jan09

oh well....my fault

JOEJOEJOE

csickels wrote:

OK, so I know I'm not the only person who has allowed this to happen, but due to my own lack of awareness of the "fine print" in the rules, and having a pretty hectic life outside of PJ (I know, my bad), my membership lapsed recently for over a year. I originally joined around 1996, and renewed pretty religiously before my membership expired. Recently, I went to renew thinking that my membership was active - but somehow I had failed to renew and my membership had been out of date for more than a year, which means I lost all of my seniority.

Now, I understand the policy - people should not get credit for time that they weren't a paying member of the club. That's perfectly reasonable (and I'm happy that policy is in place). However, why can't you retain the time you WERE a paying member permanently? It doesn't make sense that a person who just discovered PJ in 2006 will now get seats better than mine permanently due to an oversight. It would be simple to correct this - and it seems in the spirit of what PJ is about (protecting fans,etc) that they would do the right thing. This policy is incredibly unfair IMO. I still love the band, and for the most part, what 10c does for us. This particular rule just seems shortsighted.

Can you imagine how difficult it would be to appease everybody in terms of the method they'd devise to compute your "revised" 10C number. I don't see how the situation is incredibly unfair. Frustrating to you, yes, but unfair, I just do see it.

Brain Of Jeremy

csickels wrote:

i'm pretty shocked by the high percentage of self righteous fucks who call themselves pearl jam fans.

Me too.....Especially the ones who create threads trying to gather some sympathy for there own mistakes. Then try to blame the "policy" for there problems....especially when there is NOTHING wrong with said policy and the people who create the thread just get all defensive. Yeah, those people stink!

MayDay10

I dont think that would be a good change in the policy. Maybe for your situation it would be beneficial to you, which is why it sounds great to you. But overall, it would be dumb, and require a lot of unnecessary calculation, verification and re-ranking by 10c.

Evolver

csickels wrote:

It doesn't make sense that a person who just discovered PJ in 2006 will now get seats better than mine permanently due to an oversight.

I have to say that I wish folks on this board would stop assuming that just because someone joined 10C in the last few years means that they "just discovered PJ". No offense, but I think that's a very narrow-minded, unfair, and primarily inaccurate idea, unless you know for a fact that they did just discover the band. I would be willing to bet my membership that most of those newer members have been fans of the band for many years, but they just didn't sign on to the club until recently, most likely for ticket buying reasons (especially with the advent of the 1, 2, 9 & 10 lottery!). The point is, just because you just joined the club doesn't mean you are any less of a fan, or any more passionate or hardcore of a fan, than someone who has been a long time member. Just means you didn't join the club until now - big deal. And seniority in the fan club is not a measure of "fandom", just a measure of how long you've been in the club, nothing more.

norm

csickels wrote:

OK, so I know I'm not the only person who has allowed this to happen, but due to my own lack of awareness of the "fine print" in the rules, and having a pretty hectic life outside of PJ (I know, my bad), my membership lapsed recently for over a year. I originally joined around 1996, and renewed pretty religiously before my membership expired. Recently, I went to renew thinking that my membership was active - but somehow I had failed to renew and my membership had been out of date for more than a year, which means I lost all of my seniority.

Now, I understand the policy - people should not get credit for time that they weren't a paying member of the club. That's perfectly reasonable (and I'm happy that policy is in place). However, why can't you retain the time you WERE a paying member permanently? It doesn't make sense that a person who just discovered PJ in 2006 will now get seats better than mine permanently due to an oversight. It would be simple to correct this - and it seems in the spirit of what PJ is about (protecting fans,etc) that they would do the right thing. This policy is incredibly unfair IMO. I still love the band, and for the most part, what 10c does for us. This particular rule just seems shortsighted.

are we being punk'd? :roll:

Brain Of Jeremy

Evolver wrote:

csickels wrote:

It doesn't make sense that a person who just discovered PJ in 2006 will now get seats better than mine permanently due to an oversight.

I have to say that I wish folks on this board would stop assuming that just because someone joined 10C in the last few years means that they "just discovered PJ". No offense, but I think that's a very narrow-minded, unfair, and primarily inaccurate idea, unless you know for a fact that they did just discover the band. I would be willing to bet my membership that most of those newer members have been fans of the band for many years, but they just didn't sign on to the club until recently, most likely for ticket buying reasons (especially with the advent of the 1, 2, 9 & 10 lottery!). The point is, just because you just joined the club doesn't mean you are any less of a fan, or any more passionate or hardcore of a fan, than someone who has been a long time member. Just means you didn't join the club until now - big deal. And seniority in the fan club is not a measure of "fandom", just a measure of how long you've been in the club, nothing more.

Very nicely put Evolver......I was a fan in 94, went to my first show in 98 and didn't join 10C till like 2000.

PJFAN_seattle

That happened to my mom she joined in 1995 but stopped renewing, probably due to laziness.
oh well just gotta do the best I can with a 424xxx

Jeff Murray

Ok, we know you are taking responsibility for the lapse, wish more people would own up to their responsibilties.

Unfortunately I cannot see a feasible solution to your "service years" membership allocation. Unless it would be handled like college football season tickets it cannot happen. Everyone would have to be a paid member by a certain date, then their numbers redistributed based on their YOS. With this theory one year on an off album tour, like this one, I could have kick ass seats due to the lapse in re-ups. But next year when a full blow tour happens (Hope So!) and everyone pays their dues, including myself, I'm at the back of the arena. I believe those that keep up with their dues should be rewarded, if you let it lapse you knew the consequences. And as one poster previously stated the fanclub would be inundated with phone calls complaining that their YOS was greater then so-and-sos... The best way to make sure we are getting what we "deserve" based on seniority is by the membership number. And changing that number annually will just create havoc for the ten club.

The bright side is you are not banned for life if you forget to re-up, you just get a different perspective of the concert experience, with a shot for lottery tickets.

I'll be in Chicago as well, maybe one of us will hit the lottery!

J.

There definitley exceptions.. I personally had my membership lapse for maybe 4-5 months. Switched email and didn't get the notice. I was using the email of a company that I was working for and left. Sent an email to the 10c and got an almost auto-response back stating the policy. Emailed again explaining what happened and got re-instated and a response like.. this is a one time courtesy please remember to keep your membership current.

Sorry man that does suck, but holding seniority would in the end be abused just like everything else. People wouldn't renew for a couple of years at a time and then boom tour comes and all of these out of date cats come crawling out of the woodwork..that would suck for both people that have stayed curent and the 10c.

hollow bottle

Same thing happened to me. I got caught up in a work spin and lost my seniority. You are not alone. I don't even care about my number now because it is off the charts.

Wrongly Accused

If you're going to Chicago, LA or Seattle can you make a T-shirt that say, "I'm the guy that let my membership lapse, and all I got was this crummy T-shirt"... I'll turn around from my seats and give you a nice wave

Tuolumne Mama

It's happened to me as well as many others. Looks like they have it fixed for you so where's the beef? Most of us have sucked it up and moved on.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

chromiam wrote:

csickels wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

The 10C would have to be constantly reassigning membership numbers if this happened.

That's a lot of hassle to undertake for the few that don't follow the system. I mean, if you have a hard time keeping track of your own membership to let it lapse for 1 year...imagine trying to keep track of all the them in the 10C and what order they should be in. Crazy.

you think somebody is sitting in a back room with a ledger book and a calendar keeping track of this stuff? it wouldn't be hard at all. I'm not an IT person, and i could design an efficient database to do this without much hassle at all.

there is life beyond your membership number.

Then you should be able to design a database or some type of alarm which would alert you that your 10C membership is about to expire....

OWNED.

Backspacer_Backer

Wrongly Accused wrote:

If you're going to Chicago, LA or Seattle can you make a T-shirt that say, "I'm the guy that let my membership lapse, and all I got was this crummy T-shirt"... I'll turn around from my seats and give you a nice wave

LMAO, deal.

Paul Andrews

Pearl Jam was on the first things i searched for when websites were something new to us all. I was a 10c member years ago, but let it lapse when i needed the money, was messed up, busy, whatever, my lack of attenton, tight-arseness or absentmindedness cost me a low number. I still came to the website, listed to the albums, disected lyrics, learnt to play the songs, went to every show they did here, got a stickman tattoo (for a few other reasons) - ie got into the band. I rejoined a 10c handful of years ago when my finances were better.

Do I deserve my early number back. No!
Am I spewing I let it go? Kinda, but that's life.

The way I see it, all it has cost me is seniority and a few seat places - big deal. The seats I get now are still better than I could expect withouth 10c help. In 2006 (Perth - Subiaco Oval - an arena ashow on a brilliant summer night) I purhcased tickets for a friend via ticketmaster as soon as I could and still ended up with tickets miles back from 10c members. My number is 360xxx and I still ended up a handfull of seats from the stage and among some great local and travelling 10c people.

This year, when Perth (and other aussie) 10c tickets sold like hot cakes and many locals missed out. 10c did all they coold and suddenly more tickets for 10c members appeared (within hours). Whatever they did, they did it during the USA night, becasue by midday local time, 10c tickets were back on sale. I wonder if this is the reason for Aussie GA being split into Fixer(front) and Backspacer (back). I emailed 10c, pleading for more tickets and got a reply that same day. Every time I've emailed 10c, I've received a reply and the feeling that whoever responded, really wanted to help and never felt fobbed off.

This year my 10c membership still got me a free single, a much improved deep magazine, some great merch and also access to good tickets in Los Angeles and then Fixer GA tickets for the Perth show. It has provided me with a forever evolving and improving website to come and discuss my favourite band and get information from those close to the band that has everything I want to see and learn, but none of the annoying bells and whistles. I'll have a couple of parties to go to in LA with likeminded 10c members. When you take all that into account, seat proximity at a show is a pretty minor issue.

Spread the Love for 10c. It is a very different fan club and we're unique fans.

3legged dog

I feel for ya. Happened to me as well, had 4 years and let it go after a few months and Im back at square one. Owell, hopefully the members who gave you shit dont get hospitalized or have something bad happen to them so they cant renew their membership. karmas a bitch

Gary Carter

A satellite forever orbiting wrote:

they send you an email when your membership is about to expire and you can buy multiple years of memberships online if you choose. sorry, i don't think the system is broken in the way you describe just because you forgot to renew for a year. shit, even if you went a little over the 3-month grace period, i bet they'd work with you. but after a year, you should be left out in the cold. sorry.

+1

3legged dog

I'd like to add that 10club is the best fan club running and they do produce for us!! I just hate it when fellow clubbers get all negative on people venting. Let them vent.....give them positive reinforcement.

Backspacer_Backer

3legged dog wrote:

I'd like to add that 10club is the best fan club running and they do produce for us!! I just hate it when fellow clubbers get all negative on people venting. Let them vent.....give them positive reinforcement.

Thank you, I'm glad a few people get it! I really wasn't all that upset about it, but just thought it was an opinion worth expressing. Apparently, I touched a nerve with some. I've been as close as the third row before, and within the first 10-15 rows 4 times, so I can't complain too much about the future. And I've also been all the way in the top of an arena or in the back of the lawn too. honestly, if there's a band out there that is capable of rocking everybody in the house, it's PEARL JAM.