**The Official Tour The Southern United States Thread**

release23420

its just gish wrote:

release23420 wrote:

get to work yo

Psh. I get paid to Google people. And I've hit my quota for the week. And it's not beer Friday today. What else am I supposed to do?

well you could meet in houston for tha free sublime gig tonight or KINGS OF LEON FREE GIG TOMORROW NIGHT my bads on on caps ,,,,hey did you see who all has ACL Tapings coming up this month, my phone is not working right now it went swimming with me the other day,,iphone salt water bad idea lol[/quote]

I got Chris Cornell tickets at the Paramount tonight.[/quote]

oh yeah thats right have fun at that one,, see Other bands dont forget about tha SOUTH

But hey we need more info on this PJ 20yr bash tour so we can book it already but Preston an Courtney def in

shep

its just gish wrote:

release23420 wrote:

get to work yo

Psh. I get paid to Google people. And I've hit my quota for the week. And it's not beer Friday today. What else am I supposed to do?

well you could meet in houston for tha free sublime gig tonight or KINGS OF LEON FREE GIG TOMORROW NIGHT my bads on on caps ,,,,hey did you see who all has ACL Tapings coming up this month, my phone is not working right now it went swimming with me the other day,,iphone salt water bad idea lol[/quote]

I got Chris Cornell tickets at the Paramount tonight.[/quote]

Let me know how that goes! I have tickets for the gig tomorrow night here in Houston.... My secret hope is that the rest of SG turns up at the venue..... but I know that's being extremely optimistic ...

luv-ed91

South :wave: :wave:

We're still here...

LukinFan

the south

RedMosquito22

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

RedMosquito22 wrote:

I have to admit I was hoping EV would play Ryman. I was going to travel to that if I was lucky enough to get tickets.

Wow, I'm impressed a post where you're not shitting all over everyone. I figured if you posted in here it would be to tell us you quit trying for shows in the south cause they'll never happen...

I don't shit on anyone, that's a false reputation. Not to mention my in laws live in Myrtle Beach. I'm a big proponent of the south. As you can see I've seen enough shows in the south to be accepted as a native. hahahahaha

ComeToTX

my super deluxe just landed in Austin...now the band should follow. or ed. i'll take what i can get down here.

LukinFan

I'm glad Ed could add more shows in the NE and out west - but not even one damn show for the south :roll:

rhinomagic

LukinFan wrote:

rhinomagic wrote:

Carbon emissions is a very interesting angle on this band's touring patterns & the apparent expectation of their fans to get to the northeast, upper midwest, and west coast to see them play.

Maybe the band/crew vehicles are clean as a whistle, but what about the cars/vans/planes and other modes used by thousands of fans to follow them from city to city?

Does the PJ camp feel any responsibility for this? Not saying they should...just asking.

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Getting excited for the BoH show next Sunday?

damn right we are.

if Pearl Jam won't play nearby, we will go to see the bands that do.

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its just gish

ComeToTX wrote:

my super deluxe just landed in Austin...now the band should follow. or ed. i'll take what i can get down here.

Saw Mike and Jeff at south by on the 19th

LukinFan

rhinomagic wrote:

LukinFan wrote:

rhinomagic wrote:

Carbon emissions is a very interesting angle on this band's touring patterns & the apparent expectation of their fans to get to the northeast, upper midwest, and west coast to see them play.

Maybe the band/crew vehicles are clean as a whistle, but what about the cars/vans/planes and other modes used by thousands of fans to follow them from city to city?

Does the PJ camp feel any responsibility for this? Not saying they should...just asking.

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Getting excited for the BoH show next Sunday?

damn right we are.

if Pearl Jam won't play nearby, we will go to see the bands that do.

.

exactly - should be a killer show

elevation622

OK, I'm in Jersey and even I think its getting ridiculous. Just play the fucking south!

rhinomagic

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

rhinomagic wrote:

Carbon emissions is a very interesting angle on this band's touring patterns & the apparent expectation of their fans to get to the northeast, upper midwest, and west coast to see them play.

Maybe the band/crew vehicles are clean as a whistle, but what about the cars/vans/planes and other modes used by thousands of fans to follow them from city to city?

Does the PJ camp feel any responsibility for this? Not saying they should...just asking.

.

The thing that I don't get is if they are not touring the south due to the proximity between venues and it resulting in higher carbon emissions (yes, I will admit that major cities are a little farther apart down here) - how can they justify a tour that covers the east and west coast? Yes, the band can fly, but I am willing to bet that the gear doesn't. Air freight for that sort of thing is expensive as sin.

So if the gear has to travel across the country by truck, why not stop and play places in between to make trip more carbon efficient? On the Ed tour for example, there are a lot of places between Minneapolis and San Diego that I'm sure deserve a show, so why truck all the gear straight on through? Why not stop and play?

I've not studied it, but I do believe their ground vehicles are fueled by bio-diesel whenever possible. Seems this was brought to the fore when they launched their zero carbon initiatives. It was about the same time they went cross-country in Canada and then to South America in '05.

Don't know if that helps or hurts the case, but it's there for consideration.

I've never heard the PJ camp play that card as a reason not to tour extensively through here anymore. I'd be interested to see if they have, but I take it as a guess on our part as to why we get avoided.

Mostly, I just think they've gone the way of so many artists that have hotbeds of fans and guaranteed paydays in certain areas. Why budge from those pillars of your business? Personally, I wouldn't make that huge departure from my norm if the business models didn't demand it.

Doesn't mean I don't want them to play closer to me. Just attempting to see it objectively.

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ComeToTX

LukinFan wrote:

I'm glad Ed could add more shows in the NE and out west - but not even one damn show for the south :roll:

no kidding! i was feeling bad for all those people for all the time they spent on the pre-sales. :roll:

LukinFan

play the damn south

rhinomagic

LukinFan wrote:

rhinomagic wrote:

LukinFan wrote:

Getting excited for the BoH show next Sunday?

damn right we are.

if Pearl Jam won't play nearby, we will go to see the bands that do.

.

exactly - should be a killer show

I'm a bit concerned that we're seeing them on night 3 of a 4-night swing.

When we saw them on Halloween weekend in Atlanta, it was the final show of the tour (and a bit of a homecoming show, at that). I felt like they kinda went all-out for that one.

Hoping Sunday proves me wrong. I will enjoy myself immensely, even if they are a little road-weary.

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elevation622

They even record in Atlanta sometimes. Play the South!

its just gish

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

its just gish wrote:

release23420 wrote:

get to work yo

Psh. I get paid to Google people. And I've hit my quota for the week. And it's not beer Friday today. What else am I supposed to do?

well you could meet in houston for tha free sublime gig tonight or KINGS OF LEON FREE GIG TOMORROW NIGHT my bads on on caps ,,,,hey did you see who all has ACL Tapings coming up this month, my phone is not working right now it went swimming with me the other day,,iphone salt water bad idea lol

I got Chris Cornell tickets at the Paramount tonight.[/quote]

Let me know how that goes! I have tickets for the gig tomorrow night here in Houston.... My secret hope is that the rest of SG turns up at the venue..... but I know that's being extremely optimistic ...[/quote]

Will do!

luv-ed91

LukinFan wrote:

I'm glad Ed could add more shows in the NE and out west - but not even one damn show for the south :roll:

LMAO!!

DITTO!!!

luv-ed91

elevation622 wrote:

OK, I'm in Jersey and even I think its getting ridiculous. Just play the fucking south!

Thank you

At least someone has some love for the south!!!

Citizen Zack

just 1 show Ed? just 1.

shep

rhinomagic wrote:

I've not studied it, but I do believe their ground vehicles are fueled by bio-diesel whenever possible. Seems this was brought to the fore when they launched their zero carbon initiatives. It was about the same time they went cross-country in Canada and then to South America in '05.

Don't know if that helps or hurts the case, but it's there for consideration.

I've never heard the PJ camp play that card as a reason not to tour extensively through here anymore. I'd be interested to see if they have, but I take it as a guess on our part as to why we get avoided.

Mostly, I just think they've gone the way of so many artists that have hotbeds of fans and guaranteed paydays in certain areas. Why budge from those pillars of your business? Personally, I wouldn't make that huge departure from my norm if the business models didn't demand it.

Doesn't mean I don't want them to play closer to me. Just attempting to see it objectively.

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I have a serious issue with bio-diesel versus regular hydrocarbons, which i stated a couple of pages back. The technology to refine bio-diesel from foodstuffs is not very efficient. Foodstuffs need to be used to feed starving people, not refined to make bio-friendly diesel. In my opinion, if you're using bio-diesel you're essentially saying that protecting the environment is more important than millions of starving people in Africa, and I have issues with that (however I recognize that most people won't agree with my logic). When the technology to make fuel from foodstuffs is more efficient, then yes, i will get behind it, but for now.... not a chance.

I also don't follow how you would consider major cities in the south to not be hotbeds. Several of PJ's contemporaries (by contemporaries I mean bands from the early 90's era) tour through here on every tour and clearly don't lose money on it, why else would they keep doing it? Metallica, Foo Fighters, RHCP, and Tool to name a few never skip the south, and do great "business" here....

(please don't take offense to the above, I'm just presenting the logical counter debate - I mean no ill will by it).

shep

PLAY THE SOUTH everybody else is doing it!

LukinFan

rhinomagic wrote:

I'm a bit concerned that we're seeing them on night 3 of a 4-night swing.

When we saw them on Halloween weekend in Atlanta, it was the final show of the tour (and a bit of a homecoming show, at that). I felt like they kinda went all-out for that one.

Hoping Sunday proves me wrong. I will enjoy myself immensely, even if they are a little road-weary.

.

Yeah, I was thinking the same, but I have a feeling that they'll bring it. Hey, it's a local show - can't get much better than that!

shep

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

PLAY THE SOUTH everybody else is doing it!

dgerlach720

miami/wpb and a little tampa por favor (and throw in some texas b/c they deserve it too)

elevation622

The best recorded Pearl Jam show I know about was recorded in Atlanta. Play The South!

rhinomagic

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

I have a serious issue with bio-diesel versus regular hydrocarbons, which i stated a couple of pages back. The technology to refine bio-diesel from foodstuffs is not very efficient. Foodstuffs need to be used to feed starving people, not refined to make bio-friendly diesel. In my opinion, if you're using bio-diesel you're essentially saying that protecting the environment is more important than millions of starving people in Africa, and I have issues with that (however I recognize that most people won't agree with my logic). When the technology to make fuel from foodstuffs is more efficient, then yes, i will get behind it, but for now.... not a chance.

I also don't follow how you would consider major cities in the south to not be hotbeds. Several of PJ's contemporaries (by contemporaries I mean bands from the early 90's era) tour through here on every tour and clearly don't lose money on it, why else would they keep doing it? Metallica, Foo Fighters, RHCP, and Tool to name a few never skip the south, and do great "business" here....

(please don't take offense to the above, I'm just presenting the logical counter debate - I mean no ill will by it).

I feel you there. As I said, I have not studied the efficiency of said alternative fuel. Only noting that I think they have attempted to use it. I would give credit for searching solutions outside of octane or jet fuel, but I'm sure each solution creates its own unique set of problems.

As for concentration of fanbase, I'm just not that convinced Ten Club members or rabid PJ fans are as easy to find in the Sun Belt as in the more heavily populated regions they seem to tour so often. This is only based on anecdotal evidence, but (besides our pal LukinFan) I never run into PJ fans in north Florida. Don't see stickers on cars, posts on message boards, t-shirts on backs. Maybe 10C could provide a distribution map of North America, showing concentration of fan club members as empirical data for us.

I just think they cast a wide net in the cities they normally play due to how many local 10C members are there (northeast, upper midwest, pacific coast) AND the willingness of the rest of us to travel there on occasion. Several thousand birds w/ one Stone, as it were.

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shep

rhinomagic wrote:

Randy Bo-bandy wrote:

I have a serious issue with bio-diesel versus regular hydrocarbons, which i stated a couple of pages back. The technology to refine bio-diesel from foodstuffs is not very efficient. Foodstuffs need to be used to feed starving people, not refined to make bio-friendly diesel. In my opinion, if you're using bio-diesel you're essentially saying that protecting the environment is more important than millions of starving people in Africa, and I have issues with that (however I recognize that most people won't agree with my logic). When the technology to make fuel from foodstuffs is more efficient, then yes, i will get behind it, but for now.... not a chance.

I also don't follow how you would consider major cities in the south to not be hotbeds. Several of PJ's contemporaries (by contemporaries I mean bands from the early 90's era) tour through here on every tour and clearly don't lose money on it, why else would they keep doing it? Metallica, Foo Fighters, RHCP, and Tool to name a few never skip the south, and do great "business" here....

(please don't take offense to the above, I'm just presenting the logical counter debate - I mean no ill will by it).

I feel you there. As I said, I have not studied the efficiency of said alternative fuel. Only noting that I think they have attempted to use it. I would give credit for searching solutions outside of octane or jet fuel, but I'm sure each solution creates its own unique set of problems.

As for concentration of fanbase, I'm just not that convinced Ten Club members or rabid PJ fans are as easy to find in the Sun Belt as in the more heavily populated regions they seem to tour so often. This is only based on anecdotal evidence, but (besides our pal LukinFan) I never run into PJ fans in north Florida. Don't see stickers on cars, posts on message boards, t-shirts on backs. Maybe 10C could provide a distribution map of North America, showing concentration of fan club members as empirical data for us.

I just think they cast a wide net in the cities they normally play due to how many local 10C members are there (northeast, upper midwest, pacific coast) AND the willingness of the rest of us to travel there on occasion. Several thousand birds w/ one Stone, as it were.

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It would be very interesting to see the distribution of 10C members on a map.... I would venture to guess you're right, the highest concentration is in the northeast united states, but if there is a lack of members in the south I would say that it as a result of the band not touring the south. Most people I know as a whole down here are frugal with they're money. They're not going to pay membership fees year after year if there's no tour... cause let's face it, most people only join clubs like this for tickets.

I would say that it's probably a deliberate result of PJ's touring schedule over the previous 10 years that would show a skew in the distribution..... because I can gaurentee you if pearl jam played Houston, TX, they would have absolutely no problem to sell out either the Toyota Center or The Woodlands pavillion (both around 18,000 people), regardless of how many 10C members show up.

LukinFan

Citizen Zack

because I can gaurentee you if pearl jam played Houston, TX, they would have absolutely no problem to sell out either the Toyota Center or The Woodlands pavillion (both around 18,000 people), regardless of how many 10C members show up.

Exactly, just like they did in 2000 and 2003 right before they mysteriously stopped coming down here. I don't buy the argument that there aren't enough fans/club members down here to warrant any shows. All 3 Texas shows in 2003 were packed and intense. Hell, they played Lubbock in 2000 and that place is quite literally in the middle of nowhere. Their only return to this state since 2003 was Austin City Limits in '09 and there were 75,000 people in ankle deep mud screaming like crazy for them. It's not a lack of demand. Sure, there's a bigger concentration of fans in the northeast, but how does that justify completely ignoring huge numbers of fans in many of the southern regions for the better part of a decade? It's just strange, for lack of a better word.