Eagles sign Vick

reflectedfromafar

g under p wrote:

Strange in the end I think this Michael Vick may turn out that this guy may save more dogs/animal rights than he ever did in hurting/killing them. He will be and is expected to be fighting for their rights for the rest of his life. It is possible he can do it, I'd like to see him accomplish this but we shall see.

Peace

And if I molest your children, then later work with the Child Welfare League that protects children from such monstrous behavior, you'll have me over for dinner with your family ?

Because, dammit, I made a mistake ?

Pepe Silvia

imalive wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

of course there is no moral high ground in sports - it is about winning and losing, thus the reason there is a scoreboard. not sure I understand your point. Of course an employee who is more valuable will get away with more than one less valuable. don't you think your job is the same way?

I guess that is my point. Coaches and fans pay lip service to things like "second chance, forgiveness" when it is really codespeak for "we'll do anything to win." My job, though? No. You get a felony conviction, you're probably not coming back.

it's the same in politics, someone gets caught doing something they shouldn't have then they find jesus

Flagg

Now you all know what being a Cowboys fan is like.

Who Princess

blackredyellow wrote:

While I don't like the idea of Sallworth back in the NFL, as weird as it sounds, I actually have more compassion for him than Vick. Stallworth made a terrible decision, and a man died because of it.... but one horrible decision that he immediately admitted and faced up to is easier to forgive than a guy who chooses to participate in torturing animals for years and then lies to everyone about it when he is caught.

I'm with you. Nowhere do I get any sense that Vick feels any remorse for what he did. He's only sorry that he got caught.

Who Princess

imalive wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

of course there is no moral high ground in sports - it is about winning and losing, thus the reason there is a scoreboard. not sure I understand your point. Of course an employee who is more valuable will get away with more than one less valuable. don't you think your job is the same way?

I guess that is my point. Coaches and fans pay lip service to things like "second chance, forgiveness" when it is really codespeak for "we'll do anything to win." My job, though? No. You get a felony conviction, you're probably not coming back.

THANK YOU. I've heard a lot of people saying that Michael Vick should be given that second chance because he's paid his debt to society and that's how we do things in this country when the reality is that the overwhelming majority of felons who've paid their debt to society don't get any such chance. They'll end of working as day laborers or at low paying, unskilled jobs, living with their relatives, and having a pretty tough time being productive citizens no matter how hard they want to be. Vick is lucky enough to have a desirable job skill; otherwise he'd just be an ex-con.

I know that's a bit of a rant but I'm really sick of hearing about he's "paid his debt to society." :roll:

ms.honeymeister

the man should be electrocuted by his testicles. he said he "paid his debt to society" bull&!*t!!!! it's not society he owes the debt to, it's the poor helpless animals who were tourtured and killed at his hands that deserve repayment.

DewieCox

ms.honeymeister wrote:

the man should be electrocuted by his testicles. he said he "paid his debt to society" bull&!*t!!!! it's not society he owes the debt to, it's the poor helpless animals who were tourtured and killed at his hands that deserve repayment.

He ruined ANIMALS' lives..... He is a human being. If you don't see the difference I feel sorry for you.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

I have no problem with Vick being allowed to play in the NFL....

I also would not have a problem.....that on the first play from scrimmage....

Vick has his spinal cord snapped in half, and spends the rest of his life paralyzed from his eye balls down to his toes......

PatrickBateman

Flagg wrote:

Not one more word about the Cowboys hiring criminals.

Thats one of the 1st things I thought.....right after i was glad to hear the cowboys didnt sign him

Zoso

DewieCox wrote:

ms.honeymeister wrote:

the man should be electrocuted by his testicles. he said he "paid his debt to society" bull&!*t!!!! it's not society he owes the debt to, it's the poor helpless animals who were tourtured and killed at his hands that deserve repayment.

He ruined ANIMALS' lives..... He is a human being. If you don't see the difference I feel sorry for you.

Most serial killers start off the same way. It's just a small step on the continuum.

Pepe Silvia

whoprincess wrote:

imalive wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

of course there is no moral high ground in sports - it is about winning and losing, thus the reason there is a scoreboard. not sure I understand your point. Of course an employee who is more valuable will get away with more than one less valuable. don't you think your job is the same way?

I guess that is my point. Coaches and fans pay lip service to things like "second chance, forgiveness" when it is really codespeak for "we'll do anything to win." My job, though? No. You get a felony conviction, you're probably not coming back.

THANK YOU. I've heard a lot of people saying that Michael Vick should be given that second chance because he's paid his debt to society and that's how we do things in this country when the reality is that the overwhelming majority of felons who've paid their debt to society don't get any such chance. They'll end of working as day laborers or at low paying, unskilled jobs, living with their relatives, and having a pretty tough time being productive citizens no matter how hard they want to be. Vick is lucky enough to have a desirable job skill; otherwise he'd just be an ex-con.

I know that's a bit of a rant but I'm really sick of hearing about he's "paid his debt to society." :roll:

great point

DewieCox

Zoso wrote:

Most serial killers start off the same way. It's just a small step on the continuum.

Proof?? I'm from a rural area and I knew plenty of people in high school that went around shootin animals for fun and I know no serial killers.

I'm not condoning what he did, and there was some extra horrible shit, but it's stuff that I would imagine is pretty run of the mill for dog fighting rings so that extra horrible stuff is probably what makes the punishment for dog fighting so severe.

comebackgirl

DewieCox wrote:

Zoso wrote:

Most serial killers start off the same way. It's just a small step on the continuum.

Proof?? I'm from a rural area and I knew plenty of people in high school that went around shootin animals for fun and I know no serial killers.

I'm not condoning what he did, and there was some extra horrible shit, but it's stuff that I would imagine is pretty run of the mill for dog fighting rings so that extra horrible stuff is probably what makes the punishment for dog fighting so severe.

cruelty to animals is among the triangle of behaviors usually associated with serial killers (along with fire setting and bed wetting). John Douglas (former profiler for the FBI) outlines this in a number of his books - including mindhunter. There are a lot of resources if you want to learn more about it. I definitely encourage you to research it if you're interested. It's fascinating reading but it freaks me out.

Not everyone who is cruel to animals will go on to become a serial killer, but many develop antisocial personality disorder (which is what we used to call sociopaths). The lack of empathy is one of the main indicators. These people don't usually change. It's like OJ - you would think after being let off on 2 murders the guy would lay low for the rest of his life - but he just couldn't. It's a part of their character. I doubt this will be the last of vick's dirty deeds.

DewieCox

comebackgirl wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Zoso wrote:

Most serial killers start off the same way. It's just a small step on the continuum.

Proof?? I'm from a rural area and I knew plenty of people in high school that went around shootin animals for fun and I know no serial killers.

I'm not condoning what he did, and there was some extra horrible shit, but it's stuff that I would imagine is pretty run of the mill for dog fighting rings so that extra horrible stuff is probably what makes the punishment for dog fighting so severe.

cruelty to animals is among the triangle of behaviors usually associated with serial killers (along with fire setting and bed wetting). John Douglas (former profiler for the FBI) outlines this in a number of his books - including mindhunter. There are a lot of resources if you want to learn more about it. I definitely encourage you to research it if you're interested. It's fascinating reading but it freaks me out.

Not everyone who is cruel to animals will go on to become a serial killer, but many develop antisocial personality disorder (which is what we used to call sociopaths). The lack of empathy is one of the main indicators. These people don't usually change. It's like OJ - you would think after being let off on 2 murders the guy would lay low for the rest of his life - but he just couldn't. It's a part of their character. I doubt this will be the last of vick's dirty deeds.

My counterpoint was to a statement saying "most serial killer are abusive to animals". It may be true in some cases, but not all, and I would guess a very low percentage.

I(not me but somebody that gave more of a crap) could make a study saying that it's essential for maturing boys to take out some of their aggression on animals, as to avoid doin it to humans.

I'm not saying it'll be the last of his dirty deeds, but he deserves a chance to show if it is or not. Anything he does in the future, he'll be punished more severely for.

I used to love settin fires and I've killed some small animals, basically for the hell of it and I'm not a serial killer. Never even been in a fist fight.

There are ALOT more things that go into making a serial killer than pyro and dog fighting.

comebackgirl

DewieCox wrote:

My counterpoint was to a statement saying "most serial killer are abusive to animals". It may be true in some cases, but not all, and I would guess a very low percentage.

I(not me but somebody that gave more of a crap) could make a study saying that it's essential for maturing boys to take out some of their aggression on animals, as to avoid doin it to humans.

I'm not saying it'll be the last of his dirty deeds, but he deserves a chance to show if it is or not. Anything he does in the future, he'll be punished more severely for.

I used to love settin fires and I've killed some small animals, basically for the hell of it and I'm not a serial killer. Never even been in a fist fight.

There are ALOT more things that go into making a serial killer than pyro and dog fighting.

No I think the opposite is true (think you may have misread what I stated) - most serial killers (a high percentage) have been abusive to animals, but not all people who are abusive to animals become serial killers (although they do lack empathy).

Again I would say the opposite is true - aggression typically breeds more aggression. Actually animal therapy is very effective in teaching empathy to kids who have been abused or are showing aggressive tendencies.

I'd love to believe he's been reformed, but I'm not that gullible. I'm not in the market to buy any bridges either I'm sure there are a lot of people who are ready to jump at the chance to insure he is punished severely should he commit future felonies.

Not really surprised by your last statement. I already guessed that based on your previous posts, but that's for you to acknowledge - not for me to call you out on.

petrocs

Did anyone see Vick on 60 minutes tonight?

The Champ

Come on, no one should be surprised that the city of brotherly love signed this guy ..

petrocs

The Champ wrote:

Come on, no one should be surprised that the city of brotherly love signed this guy ..

This coming from a guy whos team had a guy shoot himself in the leg at a club..paid almost a $100 MILLION DOLLARS to an Tier 5 QB and has a picture of Mike Tyson for his profile pic..

The Champ

petrocs wrote:

The Champ wrote:

Come on, no one should be surprised that the city of brotherly love signed this guy ..

This coming from a guy whos team had a guy shoot himself in the leg at a club..paid almost a $100 MILLION DOLLARS to an Tier 5 QB and has a picture of Mike Tyson for his profile pic..

Nice try, but I'm a Jet fan ..

sweet adeline

DewieCox wrote:

sweet adeline wrote:

may you be reincarnated as one of michael vick's fighting dogs.

Wishing such horrible things on a person is as bad as what Michael Vick did.

oh, but i thought they were just dogs. now you think it's a horrible thing?

this is exactly my point. just because they are dogs doesn't make it any less disturbing.