Eagles sign Vick

PureandEasy

Solat13 wrote:

The Eagles brass apparently decided that one athletic, inaccurate qb wasn't enough for the roster so they go and sign another.

ok, best post by far, CRACKED ME UP Joe

it's just going to be another reason people will come down on Philly and their sports teams/fans

Wobbie

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Understood, but these aren't people like you and me - if I can assume here. I also, believe people are a product of their environment, and where he comes from they don't look at dogs the way we do. They just don't. This is coming from a guy from Philly where the kids in these ghetto - same as Newport News - there's no such thing as fathers, killing isn't even an afterthought, and fighting dogs is like squashing an ant. They have no concept of how other people feel about dogs. I guarantee you that just like Vick, 60-70% of players on each NFL team comes from the same upbringing and do not give a shit about dogs and enjoys the fights(i.e. Clinton Portis' comments a couple years ago). Think about it - it's so absurd that they think completely different from us. I'm not in any way justifying or feeling sympathetic for the guy, but it's the truth.

Excellent points.......that being said, there is almost NO moral high ground in sports. I heard the Eagles released a couple of guys, a few years back, for animal cruelty. You can be almost sure that these guys had no value to the team. It's just like when college coaches kick 4th stringers off the team (to prove the pureness of their programs) and then say "we'll let the (court) system do it's job" if a first teamer commits the same offense. It's all about money and performance. Period.

petrocs

jimed14 wrote:

petrocs wrote:

no..seriously...the argument about Phialdelphia fans being unruly has been the same for decades "They threw snow balls at Santa" , "They have a prison in their basement of their stadium", "They cheered when Michael Irvin got hurt" do you think this doesnt go on in other cities? man it gets tired..it really does..we are passionate and GODD fans...some assholes shouldnt ruin it for the bunch

You forgot ... "they threw batteries at JD Drew".

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseba ... illies_ap/

Yes yes...how could I forget...poor ole JD and his D batteries

Solat13

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Understood, but these aren't people like you and me - if I can assume here. I also, believe people are a product of their environment, and where he comes from they don't look at dogs the way we do. They just don't. This is coming from a guy from Philly where the kids in these ghetto - same as Newport News - there's no such thing as fathers, killing isn't even an afterthought, and fighting dogs is like squashing an ant. They have no concept of how other people feel about dogs. I guarantee you that just like Vick, 60-70% of players on each NFL team comes from the same upbringing and do not give a shit about dogs and enjoys the fights(i.e. Clinton Portis' comments a couple years ago). Think about it - it's so absurd that they think completely different from us. I'm not in any way justifying or feeling sympathetic for the guy, but it's the truth.

Excellent points.......that being said, there is almost NO moral high ground in sports. I heard the Eagles released a couple of guys, a few years back, for animal cruelty. You can be almost sure that these guys had no value to the team. It's just like when college coaches kick 4th stringers off the team (to prove the pureness of their programs) and then say "we'll let the (court) system do it's job" if a first teamer commits the same offense. It's all about money and performance. Period.

Well, sort of. Eagles starting safety Damon Moore abandoned a rottweiler puppy he bought after three days. He then tore his ACL agaisnt the Rams in the NFC championship game trying to tackle Faulk. And then the Eagles abandoned him by not offering him a contract after the season.

jimed14

Like with any group of fans ... 95% of Philly fans are probably cool people, passionate about their team, and would never pull off shit like the lugnuts described. I think it's just that the worst of the worst fans are worse than any other fan base.

I still think if Vick came into the Linc with the Giants or Cowboys, he would have been pelted with milk bones by more than one idiot.

pjhawks

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Understood, but these aren't people like you and me - if I can assume here. I also, believe people are a product of their environment, and where he comes from they don't look at dogs the way we do. They just don't. This is coming from a guy from Philly where the kids in these ghetto - same as Newport News - there's no such thing as fathers, killing isn't even an afterthought, and fighting dogs is like squashing an ant. They have no concept of how other people feel about dogs. I guarantee you that just like Vick, 60-70% of players on each NFL team comes from the same upbringing and do not give a shit about dogs and enjoys the fights(i.e. Clinton Portis' comments a couple years ago). Think about it - it's so absurd that they think completely different from us. I'm not in any way justifying or feeling sympathetic for the guy, but it's the truth.

Excellent points.......that being said, there is almost NO moral high ground in sports. I heard the Eagles released a couple of guys, a few years back, for animal cruelty. You can be almost sure that these guys had no value to the team. It's just like when college coaches kick 4th stringers off the team (to prove the pureness of their programs) and then say "we'll let the (court) system do it's job" if a first teamer commits the same offense. It's all about money and performance. Period.

of course there is no moral high ground in sports - it is about winning and losing, thus the reason there is a scoreboard. not sure I understand your point. Of course an employee who is more valuable will get away with more than one less valuable. don't you think your job is the same way?

petrocs

jimed14 wrote:

Like with any group of fans ... 95% of Philly fans are probably cool people, passionate about their team, and would never pull off shit like the lugnuts described. I think it's just that the worst of the worst fans are worse than any other fan base.

I still think if Vick came into the Linc with the Giants or Cowboys, he would have been pelted with milk bones by more than one idiot.

He still might be

Hammerdonkey

I'm a huge Cowboys fan and I live in a traditionally racist state (TN) and personally, I'm glad to see Vick playing again. And not because I hate the Eagles or because I don't care for animals. I think he's served his time as required by law, paid his debt to society, whatever the fuck that means, and deserves another shot at life. I don't think it's something anyone should lose sleep over. At the end of the day, he is a huge tLent who will help a football team if people can just accept his existence.

blackredyellow

imalive wrote:

Excellent points.......that being said, there is almost NO moral high ground in sports. I heard the Eagles released a couple of guys, a few years back, for animal cruelty. You can be almost sure that these guys had no value to the team. It's just like when college coaches kick 4th stringers off the team (to prove the pureness of their programs) and then say "we'll let the (court) system do it's job" if a first teamer commits the same offense. It's all about money and performance. Period.

Yeah... the spring after the 2008 season, two Pittsburgh Steelers were accused/charged in domestic dispute incidents involving hitting their girlfriends... Cedrick Wilson, a 3rd or 4th receiver, was released... but the team decided to keep the other guy - James Harrison. I'll bet that if James Harrison was just a special teams player, he would have been gone too.

jimed14

blackredyellow wrote:

Yeah... the spring after the 2008 season, two Pittsburgh Steelers were accused/charged in domestic dispute incidents involving hitting their girlfriends... Cedrick Wilson, a 3rd or 4th receiver, was released... but the team decided to keep the other guy - James Harrison. I'll bet that if James Harrison was just a special teams player, he would have been gone too.

Another example, Leonard Little with the Rams, killed someone drunk driving in '99 (he was around .2 BAC). Got a half season suspension but, eventually, all the manslaughter charges were dropped and the Rams were more than happy to have him back.

He got pinched for another drunk driving charge in 2004. :roll:

petrocs

And then theres Michael Irvin...and the Cowboy Drug Cartel

sweet adeline

the 2nd chance argument is bullshit as, people have already mentioned. how many of vick's dogs got a 2nd chance?

Hammerdonkey

sweet adeline wrote:

the 2nd chance argument is bullshit as, people have already mentioned. how many of vick's dogs got a 2nd chance?

hey sweet sausage...I hear what you're saying. Hopefully in time, he will appreciate the second chance and will do something positive to redeem himself with all the money he'll make especially knowing what he knows now. And if not....then fuck him.

sweet adeline

Hammerdonkey wrote:

sweet adeline wrote:

the 2nd chance argument is bullshit as, people have already mentioned. how many of vick's dogs got a 2nd chance?

hey sweet sausage...I hear what you're saying. Hopefully in time, he will appreciate the second chance and will do something positive to redeem himself with all the money he'll make especially knowing what he knows now. And if not....then fuck him.

good point Hammerdonkeyshow.

a multi-million dollar animal shelter would be a good start.

All5horizons1991

sweet adeline wrote:

Hammerdonkey wrote:

sweet adeline wrote:

the 2nd chance argument is bullshit as, people have already mentioned. how many of vick's dogs got a 2nd chance?

hey sweet sausage...I hear what you're saying. Hopefully in time, he will appreciate the second chance and will do something positive to redeem himself with all the money he'll make especially knowing what he knows now. And if not....then fuck him.

good point Hammerdonkeyshow.

a multi-million dollar animal shelter would be a good start.

That's all well and good, but the guy is bankrupt. He's severed the time for his crimes that system required. So he's 'paid his debt to society' so to speak. How about we give him an opportunity to pay part of his debt back to his creditors. They have more at stake with Vick turning his life around than any us dog lovers, Eagle fans , etc.

South of Seattle

Drop The Leash 10 wrote:

marcos wrote:

I hope the Eagles lose every game!

lets keep it realistic... lets hope they win 2 games.. against the cowboys.

comebackgirl

sweet adeline wrote:

the 2nd chance argument is bullshit as, people have already mentioned. how many of vick's dogs got a 2nd chance?

Agreed. I would lose my professional license for doing much less than what vick did and never be allowed to practice in my field or "make a living at what I'm good at" again. The same goes for many many careers. So why the special privileges for d-bags like him? And I don't buy the whole "he's a product of his environment" defense either. If you grow up being beaten by your parents every day you don't have to grow up to beat your kids. As adults we get to make choices and take responsibility for what we do. No mercy for this man. He's a disgrace. He didn't make a "mistake." He made a choice. Repeatedly. For 6 years. He should man up and take himself out of the NFL.

Stone Is God

I can't figure out why people are blowing a gasket about Vick when someone like Donte Stallworth will be back in the NFL next year after serving only 30 days for killing a human being while he was wasted. I'm not trying to make it like Vick is a saint because he's still an asshole in my book but he served 2 years in a federal pen for dogfighting. There will be no protests once Stallworth gets back to the NFL but everyone and their mother will be protesting when Vick gets back to playing. I will never understand that.

keeponrockin

Stone Is God wrote:

I can't figure out why people are blowing a gasket about Vick when someone like Donte Stallworth will be back in the NFL next year after serving only 30 days for killing a human being while he was wasted. I'm not trying to make it like Vick is a saint because he's still an asshole in my book but he served 2 years in a federal pen for dogfighting. There will be no protests once Stallworth gets back to the NFL but everyone and their mother will be protesting when Vick gets back to playing. I will never understand that.

I agree. Stallworth is a much bigger asshole, and actually killed a man.

theboxerorthebag

agree!!

sweet adeline wrote:

the 2nd chance argument is bullshit as, people have already mentioned. how many of vick's dogs got a 2nd chance?