I Hope PJ is Thrilled about Supporting a Socialist Prez

3legged dog

Eddie loves that we talk politics, ever listen to a live bootleg?? Is there an activism button on this site???????
Free speech is every where brook, even on PJ forum for music. Music gives us messages right? certain freedoms?????????// silly me :twisted:

Sawyer

PushinPaint wrote:

3legged dog wrote:

as for the original post...you are in fantasy land if you think what we have is socialism...hence my guess you listen to hannity. Obama is such a centrist that the left is completely pissed at him, which is why his numbers are falling. he has been a dissapointment, although not a major one, cause i saw this coming a mile away. he is, after all, a politician, and a successful one. one does not become a successful politician by being a progressive nowadays unless you are kucinich or live in Vermont.

no but we are headed there in a racecar!

based on what exactly? because we are head by a democrat? thats pretty much the only argument you have. and its a mentally challenged argument.[/quote]

"We got this big one...Mongo....he's on a leash.."

3legged dog

Sawyer wrote:

3legged dog wrote:

as for the original post...you are in fantasy land if you think what we have is socialism...hence my guess you listen to hannity. Obama is such a centrist that the left is completely pissed at him, which is why his numbers are falling. he has been a dissapointment, although not a major one, cause i saw this coming a mile away. he is, after all, a politician, and a successful one. one does not become a successful politician by being a progressive nowadays unless you are kucinich or live in Vermont.

no but we are headed there in a racecar!

space shuttle[/quote]

uss enterprise

NewJPage

3legged dog wrote:

as for the original post...you are in fantasy land if you think what we have is socialism...hence my guess you listen to hannity. Obama is such a centrist that the left is completely pissed at him, which is why his numbers are falling. he has been a dissapointment, although not a major one, cause i saw this coming a mile away. he is, after all, a politician, and a successful one. one does not become a successful politician by being a progressive nowadays unless you are kucinich or live in Vermont.

no but we are headed there in a racecar![/quote]

ummm, no. While America does eventually make progress on social issues, we are usually about 50 years behind the rest of the Westernized world. the world of today, however, is so dominated by money and corporate interests that it is becoming harder than ever to make changes. heck, Obama isn't even really promoting much of a change to the healthcare system and he STILL can't get anywhere with it!

I don't know about you, but I would rather have a gov't run system than one run by an insurance company that is in business to MAKE MONEY. By denying me a procedure or coverage, they make MORE money. so where is their incentive to help people? they have none, which is why the system is fucked.

NewJPage

3legged dog wrote:

Eddie loves that we talk politics, ever listen to a live bootleg?? Is there an activism button on this site???????
Free speech is every where brook, even on PJ forum for music. Music gives us messages right? certain freedoms?????????// silly me :twisted:

1st amendment has nothing to do with this board. thread could be locked at anytime, and probably shold

3legged dog

ummm, no. While America does eventually make progress on social issues, we are usually about 50 years behind the rest of the Westernized world. the world of today, however, is so dominated by money and corporate interests that it is becoming harder than ever to make changes. heck, Obama isn't even really promoting much of a change to the healthcare system and he STILL can't get anywhere with it!

I don't know about you, but I would rather have a gov't run system than one run by an insurance company that is in business to MAKE MONEY. By denying me a procedure or coverage, they make MORE money. so where is their incentive to help people? they have none, which is why the system is fucked.[/quote]

can illegal immigrants still get free healthcare that all taxpayers pay for?????? Just wondering.

3legged dog

NewJPage wrote:

3legged dog wrote:

Eddie loves that we talk politics, ever listen to a live bootleg?? Is there an activism button on this site???????
Free speech is every where brook, even on PJ forum for music. Music gives us messages right? certain freedoms?????????// silly me :twisted:

1st amendment has nothing to do with this board. thread could be locked at anytime, and probably shold

Are we in IRAN??????????????????????????

Sawyer

"This isn't Riyadh"

PushinPaint

can illegal immigrants still get free healthcare that all taxpayers pay for?????? Just wondering.[/quote]

so what is the problem with trying to fix it then? first we take care of american citizens, since there are over 300 million of us, and then we start seperating the illegals and getting down to the small stuff. but individuals who do not have insurance and greedy insurance companies cause more of a burden than illegals, rest assured. i didnt see bush try to fix any of this 'illegal immigrant healthcare' crap

PJFAN_seattle

:roll:

Oh, did you hear he's also best friends with the guys behind 9/11

3legged dog

PushinPaint wrote:

can illegal immigrants still get free healthcare that all taxpayers pay for?????? Just wondering.

so what is the problem with trying to fix it then? first we take care of american citizens, since there are over 300 million of us, and then we start seperating the illegals and getting down to the small stuff. but individuals who do not have insurance and greedy insurance companies cause more of a burden than illegals, rest assured. i didnt see bush try to fix any of this 'illegal immigrant healthcare' crap[/quote]

ur right bush didn't but now we have "the fixer", eddie eddie eddie!!!

NewJPage

3legged dog wrote:

ummm, no. While America does eventually make progress on social issues, we are usually about 50 years behind the rest of the Westernized world. the world of today, however, is so dominated by money and corporate interests that it is becoming harder than ever to make changes. heck, Obama isn't even really promoting much of a change to the healthcare system and he STILL can't get anywhere with it!

I don't know about you, but I would rather have a gov't run system than one run by an insurance company that is in business to MAKE MONEY. By denying me a procedure or coverage, they make MORE money. so where is their incentive to help people? they have none, which is why the system is fucked.

can illegal immigrants still get free healthcare that all taxpayers pay for?????? Just wondering.[/quote]

i thought we were talking about facts, no? jeez, the illigal immigrant thing is so tired and played and BS that only Lou Dobbs is still promoting it...but in theory I have no problem helping anyone if they need help. just because there is a line drawn on a map doesnt mean those people arent HUMAN and should be helped if they need it. of course, that is not the reality, so you don't have to worry about it.

what the taxpayers CAN pay for is uninsured people that have to go to the emergency room for care. that is something we get to pay for...and it is just as expensive as insuring those people. so lets do it.

Sawyer

This has been a blast guys...let's do this periodically...PJ Civil War is fantabulous...love you all and see you tomorrow.

3legged dog

what the taxpayers CAN pay for is uninsured people that have to go to the emergency room for care. that is something we get to pay for...and it is just as expensive as insuring those people. so lets do it.[/quote]


If you pay taxes you should get healthcare for free. if you dont pay taxes you better pay up.
If your conservative and young you have no heart
if your liberal and old you have no brain

3legged dog

had a good laugh w/ all the anger liberals and w/ sawyer. Life's a joke, Laugh!!! :


stop taking urselves so serious, I don't

Sawyer

3legged dog wrote:

had a good laugh w/ all the anger liberals and w/ sawyer. Life's a joke, Laugh!!!


stop taking urselves so serious, I don't

well said...life is too short to be pissy....Ed, I'm looking at you

NewJPage

3legged dog wrote:

what the taxpayers CAN pay for is uninsured people that have to go to the emergency room for care. that is something we get to pay for...and it is just as expensive as insuring those people. so lets do it.

If you pay taxes you should get healthcare for free. if you dont pay taxes you better pay up.
If your conservative and young you have no heart
if your liberal and old you have no brain

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well, I completely disagree with that statement, as you might guess. I'm more in the "if you have benefited from the commons, you have an obligation to return a proportionate amount to the commons." i will never lose a second of sleep at the thought of people making over $1 million having to pay a percent or two more in taxes to get this healthcare plan workable, which is one of the proposals. don't worry, that will also get stripped out because 80 out of 100 senators will never vote for a tax increase to help people like you or me

NewJPage

And i'm not getting pissy at all, if that was directed at me. I was just having a conversation. Has been an interesting one, even though we disagree. at least we can agree that the Fixer is kinda lame, right??

3legged dog

NewJPage wrote:

And i'm not getting pissy at all, if that was directed at me. I was just having a conversation. Has been an interesting one, even though we disagree. at least we can agree that the Fixer is kinda lame, right??

Lame??? Not @ all. Is this obama's rally cry??

3legged dog

We are all still connected through PearlJam though. We have our different opinions but we all have good taste in music.