I Hope PJ is Thrilled about Supporting a Socialist Prez

Stephen Flow

ITT: Bitching, whining, politics, soapbox standing & general tomfoolery... proceed with caution... I regret opening it.

hey

We are embarking on dangerous ground with Mr. Obama? It seemed pretty dangerous to me when that clown of a president Bush was in office. I don't really know too too much about politics and I am not here to sound like i do. What I do think i have though is quite a few life experiences and have met many people throughout my journeys. Let me just say this. I believe that when you hear the same thing over and over again from many different people there has to be some truth to it. What I have heard many times from many different people is that republicans are narrow minded thinkers. I believe that somewhat pretty much b/c I have literally heard it over and over again from many different people. For example. My one friend who hasn't always been a huge PJ fan but I helped him see the light always said things to me like, I hope PJ's next album or single isn't political, or I hope Eddie doesn't talk about politics tonight at the show. I am always like, dude, where have you been, Eddie has always been like this, maybe not always as vocal, but he has been political. Writing Pro-Choice on your arm during a performance isn't political? That was years ago!!! My point is I know his father and his father is old school, straight laced, overall a nice man. BUT! He is republican and I have heard it with my own two ears telling his son, my friend, what are you doing listening to that hippy crap. That band doesn't support the war and our troops. To me, just narrow minded thinking, and I think its human nature to agree with your father, whether right or wrong cause he is your father. So my friend hears this and is like yeah, my dad is right. Why can't they just sing about girls, and hot rods, and getting laid. Why do they have to sing and talk about things that are actually going to make me think? I think a lot of people out there follow what their parents believe and I have found it to be many many mostly republicans when I witness this. I went to school in the south and don't even get me started on the south. Again, some of the things you hear time and time again about people living in the south are true. I had a roomate, very nice guy, we got along fine but were very different when it came to politics. I think the bottom line between us is that over the years I have formed my own opinions and he has gone off of what his FATHER believes. I remember reading I think is was either Howard Zinn or Ralph Nadar call it something like __________ thinking or something! Does anyone remember? But he even told me like my father is republican and that is why I am. Like god forbid you think differently than your father. That is why the south is a lot of republicans b/c many many people vote a certain way b/c their father does and his father does and aunt tilly used too and her uncle did. Its true but I also understand it can go both ways. Another friend of mine, and I still refer to him as my friend b/c no matter what, we will always be friends, is very very republican. His father is also, and they are catholic. I am just gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of my friends childhood was probably filled with republican talk and religous speeches. In this household they most likely went hand and hand. I always thought this was supposed to be kept sperate but over the years to me it does not seem like the case. He is totally against abortion and to me it seems like he is only against it b/c 1. Thats the republican way. 2. That is the catholic way 3. His father told him it was wrong. My point is, in speaking with him it never seems like he has ever put any more thought into it b/c he doesn't have to. His faith has already told him its wrong, his political view has told him its wrong, and his father, whom he dare not think differently than thinks this way. I know this is long but do you see where I am going with this people? Too me, with these examples, it seems like pretty narrow minded thinking or lack there of. My cousin told me that somone, may have been Bill O Reilly, on earth day or something, when others out there were planting trees he did a segment on his show where he was cutting trees down. Can someone confirm this for me? If this is true that is just bs, and if anyone out there follows this guy you should be ashamed of yourself. He is probably only republican cause his daddy and entire family tree wouldn't have it any other way. I remember reading a while back that Eddie was very close with one of the Ramone brothers and that he ( the ramone brother ) was very republican and that he would test eddie and ask him political questions just to teach him and to help one another learn about other points of view. To me that is awesome and that is exactly what we as people are not doing. People are not open to new ideas and only stick to what they were raised on, not everyone, but it happens a lot. Sepatation of church and state is bs b/c people tie the two together every single day. What do you people think?

Vedd Hedd

Sawyer wrote:

NothingIsEverything. wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

Let me rant for a second......socialized healthcare....are you kidding....is this Russia? We are embarking on dangerous ground with Mr. Obama. I have never understood penalizing people for being educated and successful....I guees democrats can explain that better than I. He was so cool, and hip, and my God...BLACK....nevermind how underqualified this clown is, or that his own administration is now going.......uhhhhhhhhhh,,,,it is easy to be a democrat when you have more money than you know what to do with....ask Sean Penn....ask Tim Robbins...and by God question Pearl Jam once in awhile.

:?:

think celebrities are in an element of their own where no matter how much one is taxed it really does not matter. Some one who makes 175K a year is mosy likely Republican and getting nailed.

Wow, you couldnt be any more wrong than you are right here.

By this comment alone, it shows your ignorance on the subject.

And its not socialized healthcare.

hey

many many people in this country are ignorant. that is a fact. someone just told me there was a school in the south somewhere, that up until recently, like a year or maybe less, they had segregated proms and dances. that is crazy. Racism still exists b/c people will always be ignorant. If daddy is racist, and grandma to, they your kid is going to grow up very very likely saying racist things. A lot of people just JOKE around about it but its not funny but people don't say things b/c they are afraid to look like a whimp. Its true. Like hey, Pete got all offended when I was joking around earlier saying the N word. What a p@#$y!! He is not black. Why does he care. its true. Its not un-patriotic to think others countries may have better systems than us the U.S. for certain things but if your dad says so and his daddy says so than it must be un-patriotic. I'm done. Peace.

Vedd Hedd

The government isnt taking over health care....they are simply going to be able to provide people with an ALTERNATIVE to private care as well. Private care isnt going anywhere. Everyone can still have their awesome HMO's and PPO's to deal with.

This should actually make private care more competitive, which is in the true spirit of captialism, so all this socalist talk is just right wing rhetoric.

Stephen Flow

hey wrote:

We are embarking on dangerous ground with Mr. Obama? It seemed pretty dangerous to me when that clown of a president Bush was in office. I don't really know too too much about politics and I am not here to sound like i do. What I do think i have though is quite a few life experiences and have met many people throughout my journeys. Let me just say this. I believe that when you hear the same thing over and over again from many different people there has to be some truth to it. What I have heard many times from many different people is that republicans are narrow minded thinkers. I believe that somewhat pretty much b/c I have literally heard it over and over again from many different people. For example. My one friend who hasn't always been a huge PJ fan but I helped him see the light always said things to me like, I hope PJ's next album or single isn't political, or I hope Eddie doesn't talk about politics tonight at the show. I am always like, dude, where have you been, Eddie has always been like this, maybe not always as vocal, but he has been political. Writing Pro-Choice on your arm during a performance isn't political? That was years ago!!! My point is I know his father and his father is old school, straight laced, overall a nice man. BUT! He is republican and I have heard it with my own two ears telling his son, my friend, what are you doing listening to that hippy crap. That band doesn't support the war and our troops. To me, just narrow minded thinking, and I think its human nature to agree with your father, whether right or wrong cause he is your father. So my friend hears this and is like yeah, my dad is right. Why can't they just sing about girls, and hot rods, and getting laid. Why do they have to sing and talk about things that are actually going to make me think? I think a lot of people out there follow what their parents believe and I have found it to be many many mostly republicans when I witness this. I went to school in the south and don't even get me started on the south. Again, some of the things you hear time and time again about people living in the south are true. I had a roomate, very nice guy, we got along fine but were very different when it came to politics. I think the bottom line between us is that over the years I have formed my own opinions and he has gone off of what his FATHER believes. I remember reading I think is was either Howard Zinn or Ralph Nadar call it something like __________ thinking or something! Does anyone remember? But he even told me like my father is republican and that is why I am. Like god forbid you think differently than your father. That is why the south is a lot of republicans b/c many many people vote a certain way b/c their father does and his father does and aunt tilly used too and her uncle did. Its true but I also understand it can go both ways. Another friend of mine, and I still refer to him as my friend b/c no matter what, we will always be friends, is very very republican. His father is also, and they are catholic. I am just gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of my friends childhood was probably filled with republican talk and religous speeches. In this household they most likely went hand and hand. I always thought this was supposed to be kept sperate but over the years to me it does not seem like the case. He is totally against abortion and to me it seems like he is only against it b/c 1. Thats the republican way. 2. That is the catholic way 3. His father told him it was wrong. My point is, in speaking with him it never seems like he has ever put any more thought into it b/c he doesn't have to. His faith has already told him its wrong, his political view has told him its wrong, and his father, whom he dare not think differently than thinks this way. I know this is long but do you see where I am going with this people? Too me, with these examples, it seems like pretty narrow minded thinking or lack there of. My cousin told me that somone, may have been Bill O Reilly, on earth day or something, when others out there were planting trees he did a segment on his show where he was cutting trees down. Can someone confirm this for me? If this is true that is just bs, and if anyone out there follows this guy you should be ashamed of yourself. He is probably only republican cause his daddy and entire family tree wouldn't have it any other way. I remember reading a while back that Eddie was very close with one of the Ramone brothers and that he ( the ramone brother ) was very republican and that he would test eddie and ask him political questions just to teach him and to help one another learn about other points of view. To me that is awesome and that is exactly what we as people are not doing. People are not open to new ideas and only stick to what they were raised on, not everyone, but it happens a lot. Sepatation of church and state is bs b/c people tie the two together every single day. What do you people think?

Yellow Bedwetter

i think its cool he personally called mark buerhle after his perfect game to congratulate him..yeah

MayDay10

obama isnt a real american citizen.

he deals with known tear wrists

he is a muslin

We are gonna be soash lists

he only got elected because he is black and is a good speaker.

John McCain and Sarah Palin are mavericks and would have changed the country

Ronald Reagan is the greatest president ever.



sick of all the same old bullshit

Vedd Hedd

Yellow Bedwetter wrote:

i think its cool he personally called mark buerhle after his perfect game to congratulate him..yeah

Is that sarcasm?

hey

I think this county is awesome. Its all I know. One thing I feel, and other countries most likely have people like this as well, is that there are too many tough guys. Guys who just wanna fight. We all know people llike this. We saw them in high school, and we saw them in college, we work with them. The minute anything goes wrong with anything, they just want to fight. If you spoke about war with them they would probably call you some kind of name if you told them you didn't want to fight. Too many tough guys. I witness it here in my own small town. The firemen in this town, many of them I can't stand. They are ignorant tough guys who think just b/c they volunteer at the fire department they can do whatever they want. They drink too much and are alot of time just plain obnoxious. Don't get me wrong, volunteering is a good thing but they feel like just b/c they chose to do this they deserve special treatment and can act like a holes. They get acknowleded by recieving awards and other things but please. Some of them have to come down off their high-horses. My point is over the years some people have just heard negative things about Russia or UK, or Canada and how the U.S. is just better so when they hear things like Hmmmm, its a possibility that Russia has a better health care plan than we do they are like no way. Not Russia, can't be, I am not going to believe that for a second. The U.S. has the best everything.

hey

yeah you may be sick of all the same old bullshit but ignorance is not going away so get used to it. I work with this guy who is always right, can beat up anyone cause he is the stongest guy in the world, will tell you his opinions on the war, politics, etc.... But he never reads the paper, never watches the news, etc....... SIMPLY, he is just ignorant. What can you do about people like this? Just learn to live with them? He hates everyone and he just seems like he is mad at the world. Why is he mad at the world when it is people like him who make the world a pain in the ass sometimes.

FinsburyParkCarrots

http://endoftheamericancentury.blogspot ... -care.html

Vedd Hedd

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

http://endoftheamericancentury.blogspot.com/2008/10/us-ranks-low-on-health-care.html

Thanks for posting that!

If you dont mind, I am going to copy and paste part of that...

Chapter 3 of The End of the American Century, titled "Torn Social Fabric," focuses especially on the relatively poor levels of health care in the U.S., and how badly it fares in comparison to other wealthy countries. As I point out there, this is surprising in many ways "because the United States indeed does have available the best medical care in the world and spends more on health care than any other country." But "because there are so many poor people in the United States and so many people without access to health care, the average level of health and medical care in the United States is among the worst in the developed world" (bold added). In the late 1990s, the World Health Organization ranked the U.S. at 37th in the world in the overall performance of the health system. This was the lowest ranking of any country in the OECD.

New data reported in the New York Times confirms these disturbing trends. The United States now ranks 29th in the world on infant mortality rates which, as the Times points out, is "one of the most important indicators of the health of a nation and the quality of its medical system." The U.S. ranking has declined sharply since 1960, when its ranking was 12th in the world.

This international gap has widened even though the U.S. spends far more on health care than most other wealthy countries, on both a per capita basis and as a percentage of GDP. In 2006, according to the Times, "Americans spent $6714 per capita on health--more than twice the average of other industrialized countries."

Grace Marie Turner, president of the Galen Institute, a conservative research organization, told the Times "infant mortality and our comparison with the rest of the world continue to be an embarrassment to the United States."

The dismal state of health care in the U.S. reflects broader trends of social and economic decline in the U.S.--compared both to our own past and to other countries in the world. It is the major theme of The End of the American Century: that the U.S. has lost ground as other countries have gained; and that we can no longer claim special privilege as the richest, or the most successful, or the most powerful--on almost any dimension.

The poor state of health care, and education, and infrastructure in the U.S. result from inadequate attention and resources to these areas of our domestic health. They pose the second horn of the U.S. dilemma: our economy is collapsing at the very time when we most need resources to rebuild the country at home, and reestablish our reputation abroad.

YieldToNothing

don't blame me, i voted for nader

pandora

I know many will not like what I'm going to say here
We are in this trouble due to Greed. On the part of both our health care professionals hospitals and insurance companies.
The insurance companies top line is profit. Our family has conservatively paid in premiums of approx 9,000 per year for more than 10 years only to find that a bill is not paid because the healthcare provider is "coded" wrong or has "coded" a procedure wrong.You are stuck in the middle between Doc and Insurance Co just wanting for the to bill paid swearing its cause the insurance company wants to weasel out of paying all it can- again profit.
Greed on the part of Doctors which I realize is a noble profession but...
we live on a well to do lake(across the street we're not that well to do) 3million+ homes- million dollar older homes from the 70's torn down to build grossly huge homes on the lakeside lot. Most of these homes bought by doctors.We even had trouble with homeowners wanting helicopters and pads- someone is making way to much money while our country crumbles.
The services provided by both doctor and hospital are inflated when covered by the insurance company or our government thru medicare and medicaid. When an individual who is uninsured rents a wheelchair, sees the doctor at the office or goes to the ER they are charged considerably less than the insurance carrier or our Gov. We the people who are suffering due to high taxation and insurance premiums to cover these inflated charges.
Free enterprise based in greed and its hurting our country.

lowbudgetlush

NothingIsEverything. wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

Sawyer wrote:

Let me rant for a second......socialized healthcare....are you kidding....is this Russia? We are embarking on dangerous ground with Mr. Obama. I have never understood penalizing people for being educated and successful....I guees democrats can explain that better than I. He was so cool, and hip, and my God...BLACK....nevermind how underqualified this clown is, or that his own administration is now going.......uhhhhhhhhhh,,,,it is easy to be a democrat when you have more money than you know what to do with....ask Sean Penn....ask Tim Robbins...and by God question Pearl Jam once in awhile.

Sure beats when they supported Ralph Nadar. I mean, I like Nadar and all.....but he totally cost Gore the election despite having no realistic chance of winning.

i think rampant voter fraud cost Gore the election.

I am not going to disagree with that, however i have never seen voter fraud like what happened in Minnesota with Al Franken. It seems that Minnesota does the goofiest things. A wrestler as governor, now a comedian as senator.

surforia

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

IF YOU MAKE OVER A MILLION YOU SHOULD PAY FOR THE HEALTH CARE OF THOSE WHO DONT WORK? FUCK THAT. GET A JOB. LEARN A SKILL. IF YOU CAN'T WELL...FUCKING SORRY

Ignorant Americans.

I live in Sweden and I don't see the problem with taxes or socialized healthcare. The ones who have alot should chip in more then those who have less, like in a fmaily or whatever (ofc this doesn't work perfect, but it's a better thought than "everytone just caring for them self/survival of the fittest"

Just my opinion. I think USA is a funny country. So fucked by your own communist craze that when anyone has an opinion that is not super right winged you scream and get scared. Wish there would be a stronger solcialistic movement in your country so there would atleast be an option of ideas. Instead of "right winged" and "super right winged".

But, A country that mentions a specific/christian God (or any God) in it's constitution and give people the right to own 45.000 guns because it's "every mans right and is written in the constitution" is fucked to begin with.

But, I don't care about politics or nations really. Anytime someone holds up a flag (as in a country's flag) at a pearl jam concert I want to strangle them.

Sorry Swedish Chef, but you FAIL. The U.S. is actually the only country that has a true, Establishment clause in its Constitution - which says " "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." Yep, we're the ONLY country that has that, motherfuckers. Too bad most God-fearing Americans are so fucking ignorant that they have no idea about the Constitution or anything it says. If you went and asked most Americans on the street, "what is our national religion?" Most would say - Christianity. Fucking rednecks!

As to the first poster, whatever. Lots of successful, industrialized countries have "socialized healthcare." Not only that, but the plan is only to offer "socialized" healthcare to the 40 million or so Americans that don't already have it. If you have a job and already healthcare - no big deal. Get your facts right. Plus, it was our last President, if you recall, that bankrupted our country (in addition to starting 2 wars and allowing the first American city to be devestated since Pearl Harbor) - not this one. Moreover, you're just another stuck-up, privileged Penn kid whose daddy works at Comcast. I went to law school at Temple, so I know all about Philly and looking over your shoulder when you leave the library at 2am. But wait, B-School is a joke anyway... Just because you obviously don't know where the hot spots are in the city, doesn't mean Philly sucks - it means you suck (and probably aren't getting enough pussy! NUKED.

Zidane

Obama=socialist????
Hahahaha!!!!! Do you even know what socialism means???? Go read some books and get yourself a bit more educated before coming with stupid comments like that. If Obama's a socialist, I'm the guy that will bring Pearl Jam to a private concert for my friends in my backyard!

I just don't have any respect for guys like you that bring a dumb comment like that. I guess you should go work for Fox News; they're always looking idiots like you to be on TV!

Pepe Silvia

Sawyer wrote:

Let me rant for a second......socialized healthcare....are you kidding....is this Russia? We are embarking on dangerous ground with Mr. Obama. I have never understood penalizing people for being educated and successful....I guees democrats can explain that better than I. He was so cool, and hip, and my God...BLACK....nevermind how underqualified this clown is, or that his own administration is now going.......uhhhhhhhhhh,,,,it is easy to be a democrat when you have more money than you know what to do with....ask Sean Penn....ask Tim Robbins...and by God question Pearl Jam once in awhile.

Russia??? you are aware that we are the ONLY industrialized nation that doesn't have universal health care, right?

Obama is far from a socialist.

VINNY GOOMBA

MrSmith wrote:

im pretty sure this thread is a joke, look at his avatar. he screams lazy potsmoking hippy commy.

Maybe his avatar screams, "motivated libertarian," in which case, you could find quite a bit wrong with both Obama and Bush's administrations.