Right it is possible that I may like this song eventually but I know it is sub par still. I think it comes down to what you expect from the band.
True. But the really good bands have a way of evolving in a way where they don't always do what people expect of them. You'll have to make up your own opinion whether that's a good thing in a given situation but don't just shoot it down as the band writing an "insincere" song, as I've seen mulitple posters do.
If you got into the band in the last few years, you will probably think The Fixer is great. If you got into the band from the beginning you will probably thing The Fixer is garbage. I guess it comes down to what "era" of Pearl Jam got you interested. If No Code is your bag, this probably is upsetting to you. Yes I think bands should evolve and change but I feel like Pearl Jam has been going in reverse. I feel like they tried to experiment more a few albums in and now are doing what is easy.
Bull. Sorry. I got into the band back in ´95, my favorite albums are Vitalogy, No Code and Yield. And still, I love The Fixer. I love the darker, introspective songs still, but I'm actually a bit surprised - in a good way - that they release something as immediately catchy as this. It adds to their treasure of songs in a positive way. It doesn't make them insincere or anything like that. If you think going this direction is the "easy" way for the band, then check out the VERY mixed reception this song is getting. Doesn't seem like the easy way to me
i definitely like it.... i like it better than i liked WWS when it first came out. am i the onlly one who hears "run to you" by ryan adams on just that first chord? : )
it is good though... poppy, yes, but like people have been saying on here, PJ has earned the right to release poppy stuff if they want. the fact is, they've written a ton of songs, some good, some bad, but they have run the spectrum of emotions and sounds and if they want to do something like "the fixer" i say more power to 'em...
Contemporary was said in a negative fashion. As in "That was... uuhhh ... contemporary". They compared it to the Jonas Brothers (jokingly, but they laughed at it). They tried as hard as they could to talk it up, but most of the callers said they didn't enjoy the song, or that it was "OK". Is that not an accurate description of the morning?[/quote]
no. the guy who called it contemporary said he liked the song. it was not said in a negative fashion. only in that it sounded more contemporary than a lot of their previous music. the guy who made a joke about the jonas brothers also said he liked it. everyone on the show liked it dude.[/quote]
i dont agree with you. 'the fixer' is quite a departure from PJ's standard "sound." therefore, in my book, they are experimenting.[/quote]
I don't think you can call it "experimenting". If that was the case, then WWS is experimenting. It is about the same tempo as The Fixer. I don't think either one of them were experiments.
Experimenting to me would Pull Me, Push Me, Hey Foxymophandlemama. those are experimenting. Just my opinion.
"Love ain't love until you give it up." - Amongst The Waves
Contemporary was said in a negative fashion. As in "That was... uuhhh ... contemporary". They compared it to the Jonas Brothers (jokingly, but they laughed at it). They tried as hard as they could to talk it up, but most of the callers said they didn't enjoy the song, or that it was "OK". Is that not an accurate description of the morning?
no. the guy who called it contemporary said he liked the song. it was not said in a negative fashion. only in that it sounded more contemporary than a lot of their previous music. the guy who made a joke about the jonas brothers also said he liked it. everyone on the show liked it dude.[/quote]
So when the hell will we get a digital download of The Fixer?? And I don't mean something ripped from myspace....just curious if there was anymore word on this.
LONG, long time skulker here. I've never felt compelled to post (although I did enter the t-shirt contest not long ago ... mine was the one that had a boom box on it with the Ten cassette in the cassette player). I've been a PJ fan since Ten came out and my friend bought the tape and left in my car by accident ... I listened to it over and over. I cut school the day VS came out so I could be the first to buy it. I bought Vitalogy on vinyl when it was released a week or so before the CD and tape and had to buy a record player so I could listen to it. I even bought No Code at a midnight release ... I have been to as many shows as I could afford to go to and support the band in everything they have done. I've not liked some of their songs, and others define who I am as a person. I'm just an all around PJ fan. I always have been (for more than half my life) and I always will be.
One thing about the PJ fan community that has always rankled my nerves some (and has begun to really piss me off) is the sense of entitlement a lot of us have. When the band dares to do something or put out a song we don't like we seem to get highly offended, like "How dare they! Why didn't they ask me first!!!"
And not only that, but we are really sensitive and defensive. A lot of energy has been spent posting what people calling in to WMMR have said about the song, or what the DJ's had to say (and for the record, the DJ's didn't make fun, they said they liked it. They used the Jonas Bros as a pop reference ... that's all.) Who cares about that? If you like it, great. If you don't, then that's great, too.
This is a band made up of people that have aged and grown and whose tastes change and who don't want to write the same song or album over and over again. And we as fans shouldn't want that either ... and if you do, I suggest you buy a karaoke version of Ten and every 2-3 years write new words for all the songs (making sure they're moody enough, of course) and enjoy. Because with the griping I've heard about this song, that's what it sounds like some of you want.
Me, I love the song. I love "Got Some", too. There are very few songs they've done that I don't like (to be honest, I can listen to Riot Act and not be able to tell you the names of most of the songs ... they all sounded the same to me) but I've always respected their choices and have been proud to be a fan. And I will continue to be a proud fan until they decide to put out an album filled with nothing but the sounds of them farting on paper plates and throwing various foods against the wall. And who knows, I may even find a song or two on that album to like ...
We need to remember that this band has done a lot for us, as fans ... they tried to go against Ticketmaster so we could have cheaper tickets to shows (and some bitched then that they didn't play close to them that tour), they allow us to make personal recordings of their shows (and also provide official bootlegs available for download within hours of the show) ... they give their fan club members first crack at tickets ... they give to charities that help all the children of the earth, and it is rare that they would tell a good cause "No, we can't help."
They have done more for us than most bands ever do. I feel lucky to be a fan of this group of guys. They may not always make songs that I love, but I love that they keep making songs for me. I mean, how great is that?!?!
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If you can't see yourself singing "Fight to get it back again, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah" when Ed points the mic out to us in the crowd, you're crazy Sure it's a bit of a departure but it has promise to be special live
Adolescence in essence is all about trust.
Leaving is for the answering machine.
LONG, long time skulker here. I've never felt compelled to post (although I did enter the t-shirt contest not long ago ... mine was the one that had a boom box on it with the Ten cassette in the cassette player). I've been a PJ fan since Ten came out and my friend bought the tape and left in my car by accident ... I listened to it over and over. I cut school the day VS came out so I could be the first to buy it. I bought Vitalogy on vinyl when it was released a week or so before the CD and tape and had to buy a record player so I could listen to it. I even bought No Code at a midnight release ... I have been to as many shows as I could afford to go to and support the band in everything they have done. I've not liked some of their songs, and others define who I am as a person. I'm just an all around PJ fan. I always have been (for more than half my life) and I always will be.
One thing about the PJ fan community that has always rankled my nerves some (and has begun to really piss me off) is the sense of entitlement a lot of us have. When the band dares to do something or put out a song we don't like we seem to get highly offended, like "How dare they! Why didn't they ask me first!!!"
And not only that, but we are really sensitive and defensive. A lot of energy has been spent posting what people calling in to WMMR have said about the song, or what the DJ's had to say (and for the record, the DJ's didn't make fun, they said they liked it. They used the Jonas Bros as a pop reference ... that's all.) Who cares about that? If you like it, great. If you don't, then that's great, too.
This is a band made up of people that have aged and grown and whose tastes change and who don't want to write the same song or album over and over again. And we as fans shouldn't want that either ... and if you do, I suggest you buy a karaoke version of Ten and every 2-3 years write new words for all the songs (making sure they're moody enough, of course) and enjoy. Because with the griping I've heard about this song, that's what it sounds like some of you want.
Me, I love the song. I love "Got Some", too. There are very few songs they've done that I don't like (to be honest, I can listen to Riot Act and not be able to tell you the names of most of the songs ... they all sounded the same to me) but I've always respected their choices and have been proud to be a fan. And I will continue to be a proud fan until they decide to put out an album filled with nothing but the sounds of them farting on paper plates and throwing various foods against the wall. And who knows, I may even find a song or two on that album to like ...
We need to remember that this band has done a lot for us, as fans ... they tried to go against Ticketmaster so we could have cheaper tickets to shows (and some bitched then that they didn't play close to them that tour), they allow us to make personal recordings of their shows (and also provide official bootlegs available for download within hours of the show) ... they give their fan club members first crack at tickets ... they give to charities that help all the children of the earth, and it is rare that they would tell a good cause "No, we can't help."
They have done more for us than most bands ever do. I feel lucky to be a fan of this group of guys. They may not always make songs that I love, but I love that they keep making songs for me. I mean, how great is that?!?!
Welcolm- nice post too
...got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul...
no. the guy who called it contemporary said he liked the song. it was not said in a negative fashion. only in that it sounded more contemporary than a lot of their previous music. the guy who made a joke about the jonas brothers also said he liked it. everyone on the show liked it dude.
i agree with your take, too...was surprised to see someone saying mmr was bashing it. i didn't get that impression at all. i don't think the contemporary comment was said in a negative fashion...just that they thought it was different than the normal pj. some callers weren't fans but i got impressed the morning show people liked it.
no. the guy who called it contemporary said he liked the song. it was not said in a negative fashion. only in that it sounded more contemporary than a lot of their previous music. the guy who made a joke about the jonas brothers also said he liked it. everyone on the show liked it dude.
i agree with your take, too...was surprised to see someone saying mmr was bashing it. i didn't get that impression at all. i don't think the contemporary comment was said in a negative fashion...just that they thought it was different than the normal pj. some callers weren't fans but i got impressed the morning show people liked it.
anyhoo...
yeah normally its just nick who is all pearl jammed up. the other 3 guys sounded impressed by it too this morning.
They are the best live band on the planet......I have a FUCKING BLAST traveling and seeing them play live...
I just dont like their last 2 albums....
Doest seem all that strange to me....
yeah it's a lil strange. glad you like them live though!
Not strange....
There are people on this board who i have traveled with for 7 years, to see pearl jam...
People whose husbands, wives, and children I have had the pleasure of meeting......
People who have stayed at my house...
People who have opened their doors to me....
People I have shared drinks with, meals, laughs, and good times......
This board is a way for me to keep in touch with those people .....and a way for us to keep sharing stories and laughs....
This should all change because I really dont care for the last 2 albums????
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
LONG, long time skulker here. I've never felt compelled to post (although I did enter the t-shirt contest not long ago ... mine was the one that had a boom box on it with the Ten cassette in the cassette player). I've been a PJ fan since Ten came out and my friend bought the tape and left in my car by accident ... I listened to it over and over. I cut school the day VS came out so I could be the first to buy it. I bought Vitalogy on vinyl when it was released a week or so before the CD and tape and had to buy a record player so I could listen to it. I even bought No Code at a midnight release ... I have been to as many shows as I could afford to go to and support the band in everything they have done. I've not liked some of their songs, and others define who I am as a person. I'm just an all around PJ fan. I always have been (for more than half my life) and I always will be.
One thing about the PJ fan community that has always rankled my nerves some (and has begun to really piss me off) is the sense of entitlement a lot of us have. When the band dares to do something or put out a song we don't like we seem to get highly offended, like "How dare they! Why didn't they ask me first!!!"
And not only that, but we are really sensitive and defensive. A lot of energy has been spent posting what people calling in to WMMR have said about the song, or what the DJ's had to say (and for the record, the DJ's didn't make fun, they said they liked it. They used the Jonas Bros as a pop reference ... that's all.) Who cares about that? If you like it, great. If you don't, then that's great, too.
This is a band made up of people that have aged and grown and whose tastes change and who don't want to write the same song or album over and over again. And we as fans shouldn't want that either ... and if you do, I suggest you buy a karaoke version of Ten and every 2-3 years write new words for all the songs (making sure they're moody enough, of course) and enjoy. Because with the griping I've heard about this song, that's what it sounds like some of you want.
Me, I love the song. I love "Got Some", too. There are very few songs they've done that I don't like (to be honest, I can listen to Riot Act and not be able to tell you the names of most of the songs ... they all sounded the same to me) but I've always respected their choices and have been proud to be a fan. And I will continue to be a proud fan until they decide to put out an album filled with nothing but the sounds of them farting on paper plates and throwing various foods against the wall. And who knows, I may even find a song or two on that album to like ...
We need to remember that this band has done a lot for us, as fans ... they tried to go against Ticketmaster so we could have cheaper tickets to shows (and some bitched then that they didn't play close to them that tour), they allow us to make personal recordings of their shows (and also provide official bootlegs available for download within hours of the show) ... they give their fan club members first crack at tickets ... they give to charities that help all the children of the earth, and it is rare that they would tell a good cause "No, we can't help."
They have done more for us than most bands ever do. I feel lucky to be a fan of this group of guys. They may not always make songs that I love, but I love that they keep making songs for me. I mean, how great is that?!?!
I agree with this post.
I also think The Fixer is soulless, banal and lazy.
They are the best live band on the planet......I have a FUCKING BLAST traveling and seeing them play live...
I just dont like their last 2 albums....
Doest seem all that strange to me....
yeah it's a lil strange. glad you like them live though!
Not strange....
There are people on this board who i have traveled with for 7 years, to see pearl jam...
People whose husbands, wives, and children I have had the pleasure of meeting......
People who have stayed at my house...
People who have opened their doors to me....
People I have shared drinks with, meals, laughs, and good times......
This board is a way for me to keep in touch with those people .....and a way for us to keep sharing stories and laughs....
This should all change because I really dont care for the last 2 albums????
you are beautiful inside and out. don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
There are people on this board who i have traveled with for 7 years, to see pearl jam...
People whose husbands, wives, and children I have had the pleasure of meeting......
People who have stayed at my house...
People who have opened their doors to me....
People I have shared drinks with, meals, laughs, and good times......
This board is a way for me to keep in touch with those people .....and a way for us to keep sharing stories and laughs....
This should all change because I really dont care for the last 2 albums????
Yes. You should have been banned for not enjoying yourself @ CIncy 06. It was a blast.
There are people on this board who i have traveled with for 7 years, to see pearl jam...
People whose husbands, wives, and children I have had the pleasure of meeting......
People who have stayed at my house...
People who have opened their doors to me....
People I have shared drinks with, meals, laughs, and good times......
This board is a way for me to keep in touch with those people .....and a way for us to keep sharing stories and laughs....
This should all change because I really dont care for the last 2 albums????
Yes. You should have been banned for not enjoying yourself @ CIncy 06. It was a blast.
It always goes back to the cincy debacle of 2006......hehehehehehehe
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I like the music even though it is 80s with the keyboard and the hand-claps and "yeah, yeah, yeah". And I like the ending section, the last minute or so. It is catchy and upbeat and that's fine. You can tap your foot along to it and not try to get some deeper meaning out of it. They can be upbeat and happy when they want and do it quite well. "Down" for example.
But I can't get past the lyrics. This has to be their weakest effort ever lyrically. Better lyrics would make this song so much more. But it has some of the clunkiest, corniest, goofiest lines I have ever heard.
Oh, and so far I have only hear this, Got Some, and The End and those two are infinitely superior so I still have very high hopes for Backspacer.
I like the music even though it is 80s with the keyboard and the hand-claps and "yeah, yeah, yeah". And I like the ending section, the last minute or so. It is catchy and upbeat and that's fine. You can tap your foot along to it and not try to get some deeper meaning out of it. They can be upbeat and happy when they want and do it quite well. "Down" for example.
But I can't get past the lyrics. This has to be their weakest effort ever lyrically. Better lyrics would make this song so much more. But it has some of the clunkiest, corniest, goofiest lines I have ever heard.
Oh, and so far I have only hear this, Got Some, and The End and those two are infinitely superior so I still have very high hopes for Backspacer.
They are the best live band on the planet......I have a FUCKING BLAST traveling and seeing them play live...
I just dont like their last 2 albums....
Doest seem all that strange to me....
yeah it's a lil strange. glad you like them live though!
Not strange....
There are people on this board who i have traveled with for 7 years, to see pearl jam...
People whose husbands, wives, and children I have had the pleasure of meeting......
People who have stayed at my house...
People who have opened their doors to me....
People I have shared drinks with, meals, laughs, and good times......
This board is a way for me to keep in touch with those people .....and a way for us to keep sharing stories and laughs....
This should all change because I really dont care for the last 2 albums????
No it shouldn't change.
You just have to take The Jeagler in small doses that's all.
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True. But the really good bands have a way of evolving in a way where they don't always do what people expect of them. You'll have to make up your own opinion whether that's a good thing in a given situation but don't just shoot it down as the band writing an "insincere" song, as I've seen mulitple posters do.
Bull. Sorry. I got into the band back in ´95, my favorite albums are Vitalogy, No Code and Yield. And still, I love The Fixer. I love the darker, introspective songs still, but I'm actually a bit surprised - in a good way - that they release something as immediately catchy as this. It adds to their treasure of songs in a positive way. It doesn't make them insincere or anything like that. If you think going this direction is the "easy" way for the band, then check out the VERY mixed reception this song is getting. Doesn't seem like the easy way to me
Can't download on iTunes till Tuesday. It was only released to radio today.
I have listened to riot act once in the last 3 years.....
I have listened to avocado 2-3 times since it was released......
But I guess you are right....Ill buy the new album.....listen to it ....
And hopefully I listen to it a hundred more times......but somehow i doubt it......
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
seriously? bravo to you for still being a 10 club member after hating their music for the last 10 years.
jesus, if i didn't like anything a band put out in the last decade, i highly doubt i'd spend so much time on that band's message board.
it is good though... poppy, yes, but like people have been saying on here, PJ has earned the right to release poppy stuff if they want. the fact is, they've written a ton of songs, some good, some bad, but they have run the spectrum of emotions and sounds and if they want to do something like "the fixer" i say more power to 'em...
see you all in chicago, night one!!!
no. the guy who called it contemporary said he liked the song. it was not said in a negative fashion. only in that it sounded more contemporary than a lot of their previous music. the guy who made a joke about the jonas brothers also said he liked it. everyone on the show liked it dude.[/quote]
pete... is that you??
I don't think you can call it "experimenting". If that was the case, then WWS is experimenting. It is about the same tempo as The Fixer. I don't think either one of them were experiments.
Experimenting to me would Pull Me, Push Me, Hey Foxymophandlemama. those are experimenting. Just my opinion.
no. the guy who called it contemporary said he liked the song. it was not said in a negative fashion. only in that it sounded more contemporary than a lot of their previous music. the guy who made a joke about the jonas brothers also said he liked it. everyone on the show liked it dude.[/quote]
pete... is that you??[/quote]
yup! whats up brother?!
You made it all the way through??
I just dont like their last 2 albums....
Doesnt seem all that strange to me....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
One thing about the PJ fan community that has always rankled my nerves some (and has begun to really piss me off) is the sense of entitlement a lot of us have. When the band dares to do something or put out a song we don't like we seem to get highly offended, like "How dare they! Why didn't they ask me first!!!"
And not only that, but we are really sensitive and defensive. A lot of energy has been spent posting what people calling in to WMMR have said about the song, or what the DJ's had to say (and for the record, the DJ's didn't make fun, they said they liked it. They used the Jonas Bros as a pop reference ... that's all.) Who cares about that? If you like it, great. If you don't, then that's great, too.
This is a band made up of people that have aged and grown and whose tastes change and who don't want to write the same song or album over and over again. And we as fans shouldn't want that either ... and if you do, I suggest you buy a karaoke version of Ten and every 2-3 years write new words for all the songs (making sure they're moody enough, of course) and enjoy. Because with the griping I've heard about this song, that's what it sounds like some of you want.
Me, I love the song. I love "Got Some", too. There are very few songs they've done that I don't like (to be honest, I can listen to Riot Act and not be able to tell you the names of most of the songs ... they all sounded the same to me) but I've always respected their choices and have been proud to be a fan. And I will continue to be a proud fan until they decide to put out an album filled with nothing but the sounds of them farting on paper plates and throwing various foods against the wall. And who knows, I may even find a song or two on that album to like ...
We need to remember that this band has done a lot for us, as fans ... they tried to go against Ticketmaster so we could have cheaper tickets to shows (and some bitched then that they didn't play close to them that tour), they allow us to make personal recordings of their shows (and also provide official bootlegs available for download within hours of the show) ... they give their fan club members first crack at tickets ... they give to charities that help all the children of the earth, and it is rare that they would tell a good cause "No, we can't help."
They have done more for us than most bands ever do. I feel lucky to be a fan of this group of guys. They may not always make songs that I love, but I love that they keep making songs for me. I mean, how great is that?!?!
Leaving is for the answering machine.
yeah it's a lil strange. glad you like them live though!
Welcolm- nice post too
anyhoo...
yeah normally its just nick who is all pearl jammed up. the other 3 guys sounded impressed by it too this morning.
There are people on this board who i have traveled with for 7 years, to see pearl jam...
People whose husbands, wives, and children I have had the pleasure of meeting......
People who have stayed at my house...
People who have opened their doors to me....
People I have shared drinks with, meals, laughs, and good times......
This board is a way for me to keep in touch with those people .....and a way for us to keep sharing stories and laughs....
This should all change because I really dont care for the last 2 albums????
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I agree with this post.
I also think The Fixer is soulless, banal and lazy.
you are beautiful inside and out. don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
i love you.
Yes. You should have been banned for not enjoying yourself @ CIncy 06. It was a blast.
haha. you know thats gonna happen
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
you should have been the single.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I like the music even though it is 80s with the keyboard and the hand-claps and "yeah, yeah, yeah". And I like the ending section, the last minute or so. It is catchy and upbeat and that's fine. You can tap your foot along to it and not try to get some deeper meaning out of it. They can be upbeat and happy when they want and do it quite well. "Down" for example.
But I can't get past the lyrics. This has to be their weakest effort ever lyrically. Better lyrics would make this song so much more. But it has some of the clunkiest, corniest, goofiest lines I have ever heard.
Oh, and so far I have only hear this, Got Some, and The End and those two are infinitely superior so I still have very high hopes for Backspacer.
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
even I have NEVER used the words...
Clunkiest
Corniest
and
Goofiest
To describe pearl jam.....
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.....................
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
No it shouldn't change.
You just have to take The Jeagler in small doses that's all.
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14