My Solution For TenClub

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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    My solution for the 10C is this... if you're not satisfied, don't continue your membership. They offer a service and if you aren't happy with it, don't pay for it.
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  • Dercheef
    Dercheef Germany Posts: 732
    People who want that the 10c limits the access to tickets to one per tour are insane because they actually tell the 10c they should make the membership less valuable then it is now. And even if the access is limited to one show per tour some people would still get shutout of shows in NY, Boston or Philly. I like the current system and 10c should keep it.
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  • Swanton
    Swanton Posts: 77
    I'm not running down the people who run the 10c. I just think there is a better system to treat a wider range of fans more fairly.

    And really, how much value do you think fans that got shut out of presales feel their membership has? If I didn't belong to the 10c, then I would have avoided A LOT of stress yesterday.

    The fact that the Philly shows are the only ones on the East Coast and everyone from New England to DC was trying to get tickets is the issue. I don't know how many seats are reserved for 10c members, but perhaps they should block off more. Not everyone can get the tickets they want, but again, I think there is a more fair and much less stressful way to do the presales.
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  • merlin401
    merlin401 Posts: 230
    How about this idea:

    For every pair of tickets you have purchased in the past year (or 2 or whatever) from 10Club, the time that the tickets are available for you to buy is pre-sale+10 minutes.

    So if you have seen 2 PJ concerts in the past year, and pre-sale starts at 3:00 PM, YOU can start trying for tickets at 3:20.

    What this accomplishes:

    * The servers load is lighter because people are going to have tickets available to them at staggered times throughout the afternoon.

    * Fewer people will get shut out. Obviously if you miss the first time, you have a big advantage for the 2nd concert etc. Which means that fewer people will score tickets to 5 shows, yes. But at least the advantage to 10C members is spread around. And its not like its impossible to still get tickets.

    How about that
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,081
    i think the 1 show per tour wouldn't work well for curbing demand when there are a limited number of shows, it seemed like LAnights 1 and 2 sold out just as fast as Philly and Seattle nights 1 and 2.

    But for a full scale 70 show tour you would probably see the benefits of curbing demand if ten club let you choose only 1 or 2 shows to go to.

    I think someone also mentioned a hybrid system of 1 round of ticket sales that the member could choose on show for and seat selection would be allocated by seniority. Then, there would be a second round of first come first serve ticket sales for the remaining ten club tickets where seat allocation would be random.

    that seemed like a good idea
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,081
    merlin401 wrote:
    How about this idea:

    For every pair of tickets you have purchased in the past year (or 2 or whatever) from 10Club, the time that the tickets are available for you to buy is pre-sale+10 minutes.

    So if you have seen 2 PJ concerts in the past year, and pre-sale starts at 3:00 PM, YOU can start trying for tickets at 3:20.

    What this accomplishes:

    * The servers load is lighter because people are going to have tickets available to them at staggered times throughout the afternoon.

    * Fewer people will get shut out. Obviously if you miss the first time, you have a big advantage for the 2nd concert etc. Which means that fewer people will score tickets to 5 shows, yes. But at least the advantage to 10C members is spread around. And its not like its impossible to still get tickets.

    How about that

    will you be the one who maintains and builds the database for this?
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    People love to complain when they don't get what they want or think they have a better idea, yet don't take into account everyone has a 2cents to add. As a whole, the 10C does everything possible and a good job at doing the most for everyone as possible. You pay $20 a yr, get news, updates, a record and pre-sale options. It's not a democracy, it's a business and opinions are probably welcomed by them cause they're nice, but people get spoiled, self-interested and greedy. All in all, we should just be happy the band cares enough to have a well run fan club that offers us the opportunities we receive.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    edited July 2009
    There is no perfect system, and there is no system that is fair to everyone. It is supply and demand. There is way more demand than supply. Nothing more than that.
    10c should get better servers for the 1% of the time they need them.
    They should do snail mail so everyone has to overnight requests.
    They should have the band personally call every member to ask what shows they want.
    In the heavily populated areas, like the northeast, or for special shows, demand is going to be well over supply. There is nothing anyone can do about that. There is still tomorrow. And then after that, people will be offering tickets on the board for face value all the way up to the day of the show. I am just glad they give us the oppurtunity(not gaurantee) of tickets ahead of time. And they do what they think is best.
    Post edited by pjsteelerfan on
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  • phungi
    phungi Posts: 641
    mookeywrench wrote:
    merlin401 wrote:
    How about this idea:

    For every pair of tickets you have purchased in the past year (or 2 or whatever) from 10Club, the time that the tickets are available for you to buy is pre-sale+10 minutes.

    So if you have seen 2 PJ concerts in the past year, and pre-sale starts at 3:00 PM, YOU can start trying for tickets at 3:20.

    What this accomplishes:

    * The servers load is lighter because people are going to have tickets available to them at staggered times throughout the afternoon.

    * Fewer people will get shut out. Obviously if you miss the first time, you have a big advantage for the 2nd concert etc. Which means that fewer people will score tickets to 5 shows, yes. But at least the advantage to 10C members is spread around. And its not like its impossible to still get tickets.

    How about that

    will you be the one who maintains and builds the database for this?
    tickets will still sell out in 5 minutes...

    I wrote a lengthy diatribe on problems with servers, connections, refreshing, and offer a suggestion for "cloud computing": http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=103801
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,081
    FiveB247x wrote:
    People love to complain when they don't get what they want or think they have a better idea, yet don't take into account everyone has a 2cents to add. As a whole, the 10C does everything possible and a good job at doing the most for everyone as possible. You pay $20 a yr, get news, updates, a record and pre-sale options. It's not a democracy, it's a business and opinions are probably welcomed by them cause they're nice, but people get spoiled, self-interested and greedy. All in all, we should just be happy the band cares enough to have a well run fan club that offers us the opportunities we receive.

    To me these posts are like saying, "He's our President so we should support and agree with every decision he makes"

    If there's any customer service related business that doesn't want healthy criticism from it's clients and employees, then it's a failing business.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    it was a muc larger tour but i remember for the '03 tour they sent a postcard type thing with all the show dates and you could mail in your payment as long as they had it in their possession by a certain date
    don't compete; coexist

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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    No, I just think people don't realize all the issues and details that have to go into running such a fanclub. People expect too much and are never satisfied. With the way some speak of the 10C, if they're unsatisfied, then don't continue your membership. Otherwise, speak your 2 cents in a polite, decent manner and see what happens, but realize there's much more too things than simplistic answers that people say or complain. Sad part is, no-one can name a better bands fan club that does as much as the 10C - it's the best going, yet people are still dissattisfied, which goes to show you, you can't please everyone.
    mookeywrench wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    People love to complain when they don't get what they want or think they have a better idea, yet don't take into account everyone has a 2cents to add. As a whole, the 10C does everything possible and a good job at doing the most for everyone as possible. You pay $20 a yr, get news, updates, a record and pre-sale options. It's not a democracy, it's a business and opinions are probably welcomed by them cause they're nice, but people get spoiled, self-interested and greedy. All in all, we should just be happy the band cares enough to have a well run fan club that offers us the opportunities we receive.

    To me these posts are like saying, "He's our President so we should support and agree with every decision he makes"

    If there's any customer service related business that doesn't want healthy criticism from it's clients and employees, then it's a failing business.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • PearlJamPatriot
    PearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    mookeywrench wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    People love to complain when they don't get what they want or think they have a better idea, yet don't take into account everyone has a 2cents to add. As a whole, the 10C does everything possible and a good job at doing the most for everyone as possible. You pay $20 a yr, get news, updates, a record and pre-sale options. It's not a democracy, it's a business and opinions are probably welcomed by them cause they're nice, but people get spoiled, self-interested and greedy. All in all, we should just be happy the band cares enough to have a well run fan club that offers us the opportunities we receive.

    To me these posts are like saying, "He's our President so we should support and agree with every decision he makes"

    If there's any customer service related business that doesn't want healthy criticism from it's clients and employees, then it's a failing business.
    yea good point.
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  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,081
    FiveB247x wrote:
    No, I just think people don't realize all the issues and details that have to go into running such a fanclub. People expect too much and are never satisfied. With the way some speak of the 10C, if they're unsatisfied, then don't continue your membership. Otherwise, speak your 2 cents in a polite, decent manner and see what happens, but realize there's much more too things than simplistic answers that people say or complain. Sad part is, no-one can name a better bands fan club that does as much as the 10C - it's the best going, yet people are still dissattisfied, which goes to show you, you can't please everyone.

    There are issues and details that outsiders are unaware of in running a fan club, but the Ten Club should be able to discern which criticisms are helpful and which are not quite easily. So, an outsider shouldn't be telling other outsiders that their opinions are unhelpful.
  • Lizardjam
    Lizardjam Posts: 1,121
    Lizardjam wrote:
    strummers wrote:
    Lizardjam wrote:
    I'd almost like to add a location restriction. It really cuts down on the ability for locals to see a show when some fan members follow the band around the country. They have high numbers usually and I see the SAME people in the front row. Over and over. It's frustrating.




    I agree. I posted again with that....one show per tour. I would want anyone that can't see them locally to travel...but not the ones that do nothing but travel and consequently locals get shut out.

    I could not disagree with these statements anymore. I've worked very hard in my life and I'm fortunate enough to have the time and means to go see Pearl Jam anytime, anywhere. But because I don't live in a certain geographical location I should not have the CHANCE to get tickets with the membership I'm been paying for for 17 years?

    I do agree that the system has it's flaws, most do. But to restrict tickets to a geographical location is more unfair than the current system. However I would like to see rows 1-10 allocated by seniority to the "locals" for any given show and rows 11 and higher by seniority to the "travelers". Just my $.02


    You never actually read what i wrote did you? I said one show per tour. That would take care of the location problem for locals and those that don't get to see them locally.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I didn't say opinions were unhelpful, I specifically said speak your 2 cents in a polite decent manner and see what happens but realize there's much more too things than simplistic answers people give, say or complain about. Fact is, no one gives a crap or says diddly until it effects them or they feel they missed out, then it's like the end of the world.
    mookeywrench wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    No, I just think people don't realize all the issues and details that have to go into running such a fanclub. People expect too much and are never satisfied. With the way some speak of the 10C, if they're unsatisfied, then don't continue your membership. Otherwise, speak your 2 cents in a polite, decent manner and see what happens, but realize there's much more too things than simplistic answers that people say or complain. Sad part is, no-one can name a better bands fan club that does as much as the 10C - it's the best going, yet people are still dissattisfied, which goes to show you, you can't please everyone.

    There are issues and details that outsiders are unaware of in running a fan club, but the Ten Club should be able to discern which criticisms are helpful and which are not quite easily. So, an outsider shouldn't be telling other outsiders that their opinions are unhelpful.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    Mrs.Vedder78 wrote:
    SolarWorld wrote:

    Bottom line, there are only so many tickets. Way more demand. Just the way it is. I feel the ten club has done everything that can within reason to improve the situation.

    This is the key!

    The postcards can not come back, when we did postcards 10C didnt have the restrictions TM put on them after the last time we sent in postcards on 2003.

    I was shut out for the Ed solo show, and went through some scary refreshing for the Chicago tkts but got them at the end, one day I will not get them and I will have to go through TM, but that's the way it goes, imo
    exactly,,and u know what?..last year i try to score from my pc from Grecce 10c tickets to msg 1,2,,and i couldnt,,and i go to TM and i score there,but i didnt like my tickets seat,then i go to ebay and pay 3 time the price up to find better seats,,it depence what u want or what can u do..in the end if u want to go to find your tickets for a pj concert u will find the way,,and some people want to go around usa or the world to see the band,u just cant stop give them the right to do it,,in the end in europe shows there are people that sleep outside the stadium the day before the concert for be first in lines the next day,,yes some people love the band and they willing to try harder for the others,,and they have to take what they deserve,,
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  • ManUnited
    ManUnited Jersey Shore Posts: 160
    Sorry if it has been posted but did not notice. DMB fan club set up their sale in a good way. They have a sign up for a show(s) for a certain period of time (a week or so). You sign on, pick your show(s) and input your C.C info. After the presale ends and before the public on sale you find out if you got them.

    Better then spending over a hour and getting nothing. At least with this system if you get nothing you only spent five minutes at the most.
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    ManUnited wrote:
    Sorry if it has been posted but did not notice. DMB fan club set up their sale in a good way. They have a sign up for a show(s) for a certain period of time (a week or so). You sign on, pick your show(s) and input your C.C info. After the presale ends and before the public on sale you find out if you got them.

    Better then spending over a hour and getting nothing. At least with this system if you get nothing you only spent five minutes at the most.

    DMB also plays like 50- 60 shows or more all over the US. Not as much travel, not as much demand for 1 show. Everyone is crying about a small limited high demand tour. A full US tour for PJ would not have these problems.
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  • dwhiskeyd
    dwhiskeyd Posts: 25
    SImple solution: Go back to General Admission/standing room only. Problem solved.

    30-40yr olds don't mosh anymore, or rush the stage. And if they do, they end up on sick leave from work for throwing out their backs.

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