Do's and Don'ts off the pit?

gfraser

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

But what if someone got banned for being accussed of a racist rant, or something else that could damage their reputation? Even if the mods posted a vague reason for a banning, people would start discussions that could show the banned person in a bad light.

omg your taking things to the extreme, ok for the pearl jam board they wouldnt have to include a reason as to why the person got banned, ok? we probably arent going to see a banned list any time soon on here so it doesnt matter anyways. they work on other boards and its a easy way to find out where people are when they go missing. you would be surprised how many times the ban is "self imposed". ive never heard of any legal action being taken againt the boards that use them.

JOEJOEJOE

gfraser wrote:

omg your taking things to the extreme, ok for the pearl jam board they wouldnt have to include a reason as to why the person got banned, ok? we probably arent going to see a banned list any time soon on here so it doesnt matter anyways. they work on other boards and its a easy way to find out where people are when they go missing. you would be surprised how many times the ban is "self imposed". ive never heard of any legal action being taken againt the boards that use them.

Its part of my job to think in terms of legalities/liability/insurance risk, so it comes natural to think in extremes!


You'd be surprised how much more/less can be spent on insurance by not taking/taking certain precautions.

jezebeloria

petrocs wrote:

OK..fine...no DVD's now let them back...they learned their lessons I'm sure

I agree...couldn't be 2 more nicer people in the PJ world. Should we start a petition?

Wobbie

Corey Lynn wrote:

Sorry. I guess the news today just came as a big shock. I have not always been such a big follower of the board. This summer, I have started to follow it a lot. I started to feel like I knew some of the people on here and was excited to see what would be on each day. And..I did get a DVD...of one of the shows I have seen. And my friend and I were able to sit down a couple of days ago and relive that night. More than anything, It made us excited about seeing PJ in the future, and their new album, and made us talk about our long following of this band...and it was great. I was thinking how nice it is that the band realizes the importance of sharing their music through any way that is available. I guess I was naive to think that it was as free as I thought it was. I realize that there are rules, and I realize that we signed a agreement when joining the board that said that we would follow them... And I also realize that something that seems to good to be true probably is. Now I know what is ok and what is not on the board...Like I said I was naive and did not know the extent of it. I was living in this PJ utopia..oops.

I'm in the same boat as you. I just (inadvertently) figured this stuff out today. I hope I didn't contribute to this, but I may have :(:(. Just to add one more thing - I have bought every official DVD that has ever been made. Some of them, I bought on both VHS and DVD.

edit: Maybe this (below) was a sting operation :eek:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=303930

Tangerine

9. Trading PJ shows even-up, ok. Bootlegging (selling), not ok. Offering to buy bootlegs, not ok. Links to bootlegger sites, not ok. 2 for 1 trades is making profit, not ok. Scalping, not ok. Offering to pay any price for a ticket is inviting scalpers. Not ok.


I don't see DVDs specifically mentioned anywhere in this or any of the other rules and I think that the banning of people for trying to share something with the PJ community that is readily available pretty much anywhere on the net is just mean! Some people are just nice by nature (like LF and D, and many others here and on the "other" board that will remain nameless for the sake of protecting them from banning) and banishing them from here just for being themselves is wrong!

I don't know one B+P/Trader that has ever asked for 1 cent for a copy of anything they have. These people have always traded or given away copies freely and I'm still not quite clear on how this rule applies.

I, like most people on here, have bought every single copyrighted PJ show out there and will continue to do so. I even drove an hour and a half to Boston to see Immagine on the big screen and bought the copy from 10C, yet I own well over 100 shows that I could have chosen to watch in my own home. I can't see how this is about $$$, I think 10C and the band knows that the hardcore fans a) will buy pretty much any DVD/CD they put out and b) will probably be the only ones aware of said DVD's being available.

I just can't see how a band that is so lenient with their camera policy (like they don't know 99.9% of digital cameras include a video recorder!) can just "off" people like that. :(

Brisk.

LOL PRIMUS MESSAGE BOARD

FUcking love primus, want to see them before i die but i get the prawn newsletter and all i get is usa stuff..

think im gonna make a thread over there..

cropdustress

imalive wrote:

edit: Maybe this (below) was a sting operation :eek:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=303930

No, I don't think that was it.
There was a thread a few days ago started by one of the 2 banned members
and I think that was it. At least for the one of them.
I feel sad cause he's a great guy and always helping ppl out with stuff, trading etc...

riffrandall

Tangerine wrote:

9. Trading PJ shows even-up, ok. Bootlegging (selling), not ok. Offering to buy bootlegs, not ok. Links to bootlegger sites, not ok. 2 for 1 trades is making profit, not ok. Scalping, not ok. Offering to pay any price for a ticket is inviting scalpers. Not ok.


I don't see DVDs specifically mentioned anywhere in this or any of the other rules and I think that the banning of people for trying to share something with the PJ community that is readily available pretty much anywhere on the net is just mean! Some people are just nice by nature (like LF and D, and many others here and on the "other" board that will remain nameless for the sake of protecting them from banning) and banishing them from here just for being themselves is wrong!

I don't know one B+P/Trader that has ever asked for 1 cent for a copy of anything they have. These people have always traded or given away copies freely and I'm still not quite clear on how this rule applies.

I, like most people on here, have bought every single copyrighted PJ show out there and will continue to do so. I even drove an hour and a half to Boston to see Immagine on the big screen and bought the copy from 10C, yet I own well over 100 shows that I could have chosen to watch in my own home. I can't see how this is about $$$, I think 10C and the band knows that the hardcore fans a) will buy pretty much any DVD/CD they put out and b) will probably be the only ones aware of said DVD's being available.

I just can't see how a band that is so lenient with their camera policy (like they don't know 99.9% of digital cameras include a video recorder!) can just "off" people like that. :(

You know the famous story about Uncle Neil going into the record store and taking back the bootlegs they were selling there, right? Everyone knows that story, esp. hardcore PJ fans.

Like it or not, bands have a right to control their art. If PJ considers a digital still photograph OK, or ignores the fact that some of their fans might take 30 second long videos with their camera... but doesn't consider a full length pirated DVD to be on the same level, we have to respect that.

writersu

gfraser wrote:

omg your taking things to the extreme, ok for the pearl jam board they wouldnt have to include a reason as to why the person got banned, ok? we probably arent going to see a banned list any time soon on here so it doesnt matter anyways. they work on other boards and its a easy way to find out where people are when they go missing. you would be surprised how many times the ban is "self imposed". ive never heard of any legal action being taken againt the boards that use them.

I am not into the cd trading and all of that, so I guess that would not apply to me. But the thing that I have noticed is that a lot of those (what I now refer to as) "baited threads" are the ones that go on to ask questions about really contraversial subjects like faith or politics or political parties, etc. and then when you answer an answer that disagrees with them, they BAM!BAM! whack you over the head with the superior bs , "I am more informed than you, and more inteliigent than you, so therefore, your opinion that means nothing at all is one based on being stupid."

Then I notice that I do not see these people here a lot anymore. I thought either they got banned or they just got fed up with all of us stupid people.

I am sorry they got banned but there have been times when I first got on here that I would want to stick up for my beliefs and then sounded just as bad as they did (for me and my standards I guess,---that might be lighter than others.........), but then I noticed it right away and stopped myself after I apologized .........
I guess it amazes me when other people do not know when they are being asses to others...I always know.....and then (I hope) I always apologize.

pdalowsky

think its time to move on people, does it really matter, Ten club has rules, if we dont agree perhaps we should go to other forums.

D and Lukinfan could always contact the tneclub personally and make amends if it meant that much to them, hell they might even be doing that.....

then again they might not be nearly as bothered as we all seem to be

gndcd402

Tangerine wrote:

9. Trading PJ shows even-up, ok. Bootlegging (selling), not ok. Offering to buy bootlegs, not ok. Links to bootlegger sites, not ok. 2 for 1 trades is making profit, not ok. Scalping, not ok. Offering to pay any price for a ticket is inviting scalpers. Not ok.


I don't see DVDs specifically mentioned anywhere in this or any of the other rules and I think that the banning of people for trying to share something with the PJ community that is readily available pretty much anywhere on the net is just mean! Some people are just nice by nature (like LF and D, and many others here and on the "other" board that will remain nameless for the sake of protecting them from banning) and banishing them from here just for being themselves is wrong!

I don't know one B+P/Trader that has ever asked for 1 cent for a copy of anything they have. These people have always traded or given away copies freely and I'm still not quite clear on how this rule applies.

I, like most people on here, have bought every single copyrighted PJ show out there and will continue to do so. I even drove an hour and a half to Boston to see Immagine on the big screen and bought the copy from 10C, yet I own well over 100 shows that I could have chosen to watch in my own home. I can't see how this is about $$$, I think 10C and the band knows that the hardcore fans a) will buy pretty much any DVD/CD they put out and b) will probably be the only ones aware of said DVD's being available.

I just can't see how a band that is so lenient with their camera policy (like they don't know 99.9% of digital cameras include a video recorder!) can just "off" people like that. :(

agreed. nowhere in those "rules" is there anything about dvds. yea, yea "videos are a touchy subject here" and blah blah but NOWHERE in the guidelines of the board does it mention it.

rule 9 mentions trading bootlegs, which is what these are. neither of the two profited anything from it (in fact they were losing money by giving them out for free) not in no way shape or form did they break any of the guidelines.

PissBottleMan

This is like winning the war on drugs. :rolleyes:

Too many good posters have disappeared and others are participating less.

I know there are rules to adhere to, but there also has to be some middle ground where a compromise can be made.

Most folks don't have malicious intentions...they just want to share experiences with friends.

Cheers,

PBM

Kat

gndcd402 wrote:

agreed. nowhere in those "rules" is there anything about dvds. yea, yea "videos are a touchy subject here" and blah blah but NOWHERE in the guidelines of the board does it mention it.

rule 9 mentions trading bootlegs, which is what these are. neither of the two profited anything from it (in fact they were losing money by giving them out for free) not in no way shape or form did they break any of the guidelines.

Ok, it is now mentioned in the Posting Guidelines for those who were not aware of the many previous announcements over the years when a show/tour is announced. Pearl Jam fans are very intelligent people and when it is repeated over and over again that the band does not ok videotaping of their shows, it is just understood that DVDs are not ok.

We'll go over the Posting Guidelines again and make sure now that every little thing is in there so there can be no misunderstandings. Our respect for everyone here, and knowing that everyone respects the band's wishes, is ultimately boundless. We want everyone to have fun, fun, and more fun. Now please continue with the fun part.

Love,
Kat

pdalowsky

Kat wrote:

Ok, it is now mentioned in the Posting Guidelines for those who were not aware of the many previous announcements over the years when a show/tour is announced. Pearl Jam fans are very intelligent people and when it is repeated over and over again that the band does not ok videotaping of their shows, it is just understood that DVDs are not ok.

We'll go over the Posting Guidelines again and make sure now that every little thing is in there so there can be no misunderstandings. Our respect for everyone here, and knowing that everyone respects the band's wishes, is ultimately boundless. We want everyone to have fun, fun, and more fun. Now please continue with the fun part.

Love,
Kat

and there people you have youir answer, lets move on.......

pdalowsky

However Kat, now we have your attention, how about a few random tour DVD's from the last few tours? dont worry about the fancy production and all that, just some nice live footage for us all to enjoy...perhaps you could throw one into the next Deep as a freebie!!!

Kat

pdalowsky wrote:

However Kat, now we have your attention, how about a few random tour DVD's from the last few tours? dont worry about the fancy production and all that, just some nice live footage for us all to enjoy...perhaps you could throw one into the next Deep as a freebie!!!

I'd vote for that.

xo

pdalowsky

Ha ha thanks

maybe give Santos a little nudge!!!

JamilyMan

Kat wrote:

Ok, it is now mentioned in the Posting Guidelines for those who were not aware of the many previous announcements over the years when a show/tour is announced. Pearl Jam fans are very intelligent people and when it is repeated over and over again that the band does not ok videotaping of their shows, it is just understood that DVDs are not ok.

We'll go over the Posting Guidelines again and make sure now that every little thing is in there so there can be no misunderstandings. Our respect for everyone here, and knowing that everyone respects the band's wishes, is ultimately boundless. We want everyone to have fun, fun, and more fun. Now please continue with the fun part.

Love,
Kat

Kat,

Thanks for doing this. Based on our recent exchange, I think this is a helpful thing to do to help set the rules straight. While it may seem obvious to you and to the masses, I think there were some that might have been caught up and swept away by the wave that was open trading just a few short months ago. While it was against the band's wishes back then, I think people saw it as okay since there were so many doing it in the open. While this doesn't make it right, it certainly can be easy to not see the seriousness of the offense if it is going on in the open with little or no repercussions. Now that it is a clearly posted rule, there should be no confusion.

Enjoy your day,
Andy

yostarama

Kat wrote:

Ok, it is now mentioned in the Posting Guidelines for those who were not aware of the many previous announcements over the years when a show/tour is announced. Pearl Jam fans are very intelligent people and when it is repeated over and over again that the band does not ok videotaping of their shows, it is just understood that DVDs are not ok.

We'll go over the Posting Guidelines again and make sure now that every little thing is in there so there can be no misunderstandings. Our respect for everyone here, and knowing that everyone respects the band's wishes, is ultimately boundless. We want everyone to have fun, fun, and more fun. Now please continue with the fun part.

Love,
Kat

Kat, Thanks for coming here and leting us know you here what is being said. As many poeple stated the rules on DVD's is a little fuzzy. Though I don't trade bootlegsor dvd's, I do trade posters. Please post the wishes of the band a little clearer and we all can have fun and follow the rules on dvd's. I'm sure you see poeple being ask etc about 10c poster's all the time. That might start with DVD's now. Thanks alot Kat. Later Yostarama

Kat

JamilyMan wrote:

Kat,

Thanks for doing this. Based on our recent exchange, I think this is a helpful thing to do to help set the rules straight. While it may seem obvious to you and to the masses, I think there were some that might have been caught up and swept away by the wave that was open trading just a few short months ago. While it was against the band's wishes back then, I think people saw it as okay since there were so many doing it in the open. While this doesn't make it right, it certainly can be easy to not see the seriousness of the offense if it is going on in the open with little or no repercussions. Now that it is a clearly posted rule, there should be no confusion.

Enjoy your day,
Andy

There was no open trading of DVDs here ever...and there were repercussions when they were found. We try to not be heavy-handed and we usually privately warn so as to not embarrass people who are not aware - and we don't like banning people...but the rules are known so it's like some people ban themselves when they make a choice that isn't ok. The posts are always removed. If you are aware of any now, please use the Report to Mod feature and we'll take care of them right now. Thank you.