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kh65

URthekey wrote:

For the convience off all not wanting to sift through the OP's lengthy post, I have read between the lines and will summarize what he really wants to say to PJ:

1. "I want your songs to sound the same as they do on the album."

2. "Turn Mike up, unless he CAN'T play good for medical reasons, then I'll deal"

3. "Put stuffed suits, corporate whores and supermodels in the front rows, it doesn't matter if they are real fans, they'll LOOK better."

4. "You should ask me to write the setlists, I'll do a better job because I know what the real fans really want"

5. "I couldn't get a poster last tour so I'm bitter"

6. "Can we get this show over with, I need to be in bed by 10:30 or I'll be cranky in the morning. Oh and Ed, just shut up and sing, I get all the political and social information I need from Fox 5 news."

You hit the nail on the head my friend. It is all about "him", like the band is his trained monkey or something. Is he really a fan?

nowayimfaithfull

hiding103006 wrote:

i agree with pretty much everything here, except... shorter shows.

man pearl jam is a fantastic live band, and they've built up that reputation because of a great live prowess. if i'm going to see this band, i want to see as many songs as they can fit into 2 1/2 hours (or however long).

short shows are for opening acts, and old men.



and also... Lollapalooza was.... "embarassing" ?!?!?!???

if you agree with everything he wrote than you would be lying by saying pj is a fantastic live band.

nowayimfaithfull

brainofPJ wrote:

"less whales..."

haha, wow...good stuff.

anyway, i would like to hear YL toward the end of the set, before the first encore.

thats not good that is mean

nowayimfaithfull

hopethatuchoke wrote:

Fantastic post other than the shorter shows part. With everything else you hit the nail right on the head so hard there is blood coming out. What's also great about it is all the kiss ass apologists haven't started calling you an asshole (yet). Get ready for it, i'm sure once the sun comes up they will stop by to call you a jerk.

you really think putting people down making fun of them, and nitpicking a rock bands set when it varies pretty much more than any other band with decent catolougue is right on

if I thought like him I honestly wouldnt pay the band any attention, I used to be a big metalica fan, and stopped for some of his reasoning with pj.

he calls people elitist snobs, what is he?

he rips stone in 1 sentance and begs tio ave mike turned up, mike makes just as many mistakes.
he pretty much ripped the band for being political, which is half the reason they do these min tours.

lowbudgetlush

a8l wrote:

Things I would like to see for the '08 tour:

1. A more varied setlist OR a tighter show. We would all love the guys to rifle through the entire catalog over this tour, but that definitely hasn't happened the past two or so tours and I really don't expect it this go around. Yes, many "rare" songs have surfaced recently but the majority of the setlist has been redundant (in PJ terms obv.). So, if 95% of the show will be taken from the same pool of 30-40 songs, I don't think it is too much to expect for the band to be a tad tighter. I fully understand that they prefer to be "in the moment" and "play like Neil" but I think things were getting waaaay to sloppy (sloppy is a nice word for bad) for my taste in '06. A little (not alot) more rehearsal for my sixty bucks is all I am asking for. I love the fact that seemingly anything can happen "musically" at a PJ show, but that isn't what I am getting at. It isn't that Stone is going off on a musical tangent when he fucks up the chords to Hail, Hail... or when Ed forgets the words to (insert song here) that he is improvising.... it is just a bad performance. Again, not much, but just a little more polished would be nice. OR break every damn song out and never repeat a one all tour... and fuckup all you want

2. Turn Mike up! Not the mic, but Mike! I can't hear the guy live unless I plug my ears to drown out the drone. Turn him up....! I mean waaaay up. And in a side bar it would be great if McCready could revert to his '98-'02 form. (And yes I understand there might be factors outside of his control affecting his play, if that is the case I understand).

3. Less whales in the front rows. It has been discussed to death, but I just want to remind everyone how much it sucks to see the front 5 rows made up of the same people night in and night out. If you get to talking to them you quickly find out that the PJ tour kids are not kids anymore and actually have turned into PJ snobs(I know that sounds stupid, but believe me they are not the kind of fans that 99% of this board can relate to) and most of them that I meet pretty much losers in life. Less important reasons to move them to the back: They are stationary, they stink, they are ugly, they have been there before and act like they will be there again, they are older than the majority of the rest of the crowd.... and boy are they fat! Nothing wrong with fat people, but man when there is that many of one kind of people in one small space you take notice... and there are a ton of 40+, fat, white, females in the front rows at a PJ show.

4. Close the damn show with Alive, Porch or Betterman/SIFL. Free World and Baba are awesome, but getting to be predictable. Even the crapola country shows my wife drags me to bust out new closers every tour. If the boys can't come up with some new and exciting covers to close the show, what is so wrong with bringing down the house with the music we all came to hear? If the old stand byes are a must; Why not use Baba to close the first set, or have the first "fast one" of the night be RITFW???? Now that would be cool.

5. An invisible itch powder on the tour posters. I used to love those damn pieces of paper as much as the next guy... in fact my collection is prolly worth at least 5k (scary). BUT man, the current poster chasing crew deserves to die and itchy, scratchy, painful death.

6. Shorter shows. Yep, I said it... the shows are too long and looser than a well, a Bon Jovi groupie. Lolla, while not terribly long in actual songs played, drug on embarrassingly long. Leave the audience wanting more, not wanting a chair. A three hour marathon is awesome, but not so much when it is expected every night. I honestly remember my friends telling me last tour that they were "saving energy for the second encore". I am not looking for much cut off, but you want to know my favorite shows of the past few years??? The PJ opening for Petty shows where we got 18-20 songs... I was left feigning for more and all that was really cut out when you got down to it, was a BoomBoom Crazy Mary solo, an Ed ukulele fuckup fest, A political rant that has flip flopped more over the years than (insert politician) and the now expected brutal death of eight tambourines. Really, I toyed with putting this in my list and I am not 100% sure I am right, but I think cutting 20 minutes would actually be a good thing. And I'd hate to break it to you guys but by the next tour PJ may need a "bigger name" opener to help sell out the arenas. That addition will move the opener slot from a 45 minute set to a full hour, thus cutting the PJ set to closer to 120 minutes.

Disclosure: While this post is mostly for entertainment purposes only I do really believe everything I wrote; and I know I am right so there is no point in debating it

BUT

I would love to hear what you guys and gals would like to see/hear on the '08 tour.

I can't wait... see you at the FL shows, Bonna and MSG! (And prolly more, the 10c is due to announce the next leg now that everyone has their plane tickets for the first bunch!)

No offense but you sound like one of the "PJ Snobs" you reference in point # 3.

kh65

lowbudgetlush wrote:

No offense but you sound like one of the "PJ Snobs" you reference in point # 3.

You are being too nice. You care if you offend him.

nowayimfaithfull

Well this whole thread descibes why this board has changed. I for one do not realize why you guys go to these shows if you agree with the op. It would be a waste of time. Its only a rock band, if you really do not enjoy these shows to the extreme, why spend thousands traveling, why go to more than 1 show, pearl jam 2010, why would you fly all over the country namely hawaii, if you think they band is not tight, they do not vary their sets, and they make too many mistakes. It would seem like the appetite for a letdown.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but to call people whales, and than try to apologize for it by saying the less intelligent person.
Why do peoples weight, and intelligane become an issue when they follow a rock baand, It is not rocket science or fashion modeling. Its an avenue to enjoy yourself. Thats it, I find it unrealistic that someone would go to a show, spend time on their measage board trying to change peoples views, or the bands traditions, it basically the same as you ripping Ed for his political persuavsiveness. People mention setlist variation,and than support closong with alive,porch,or betterman, whats the differance, they play those songs every night also.
I read this whole thread, and I honestly dont get why half of you guys waste your time.
sorry, maybee Im just an old fat whale, who has deaf ears, and blind eyes. I also never sit in the first 5 rows. Its about the music, and meeting fans alike.

DiRtYyELLoWoCeAn

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

Well this whole thread descibes why this board has changed. I for one do not realize why you guys go to these shows if you agree with the op. It would be a waste of time. Its only a rock band, if you really do not enjoy these shows to the extreme, why spend thousands traveling, why go to more than 1 show, pearl jam 2010, why would you fly all over the country namely hawaii, if you think they band is not tight, they do not vary their sets, and they make too many mistakes. It would seem like the appetite for a letdown.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but to call people whales, and than try to apologize for it by saying the less intelligent person.
Why do peoples weight, and intelligane become an issue when they follow a rock baand, It is not rocket science or fashion modeling. Its an avenue to enjoy yourself. Thats it, I find it unrealistic that someone would go to a show, spend time on their measage board trying to change peoples views, or the bands traditions, it basically the same as you ripping Ed for his political persuavsiveness. People mention setlist variation,and than support closong with alive,porch,or betterman, whats the differance, they play those songs every night also.
I read this whole thread, and I honestly dont get why half of you guys waste your time.
sorry, maybee Im just an old fat whale, who has deaf ears, and blind eyes. I also never sit in the first 5 rows. Its about the music, and meeting fans alike.

Very well said! I couldnt agree more I am a fat whale too!

SDHSClassof82

Note to Self-

Prep for PJ tour:

1. Buy 10c tickets (if I'm lucky)
2. Buy Plane tickets
3. Book hotel and car rental
4. Email PJ friends near cities with shows
5. Donate merch to meet-up fundraisers
6. Liposuction
7. Buy turbo wrinkle cream and/or face lift
8. Tanning salon
9. Practice witty banter for chatting with arrogant young male *fans*.

Once_uponatime

Im sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

nowayimfaithfull

arghhh

Im done in htis thread.

peace

DP13

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

he calls people elitist snobs, what is he?

he rips stone in 1 sentance and begs tio ave mike turned up, mike makes just as many mistakes.
he pretty much ripped the band for being political, which is half the reason they do these min tours.

#1. I tried to make an interesting post about things I would like to see changed on the '06 tour.

#2. I wasn't "ripping stone", it was just an example about how a mistake is not artistic improvisation. In fact Stone prolly plays the cleanest show of anyone in the band.

#3. I didn't rip the band for being political, I said that if Ed didn't give his political speech it would cut 5 minutes. I ripped Ed for calling Democrats Corporate Puppets while supporting Nader then supporting them four years later without an explanation on why he changed.

You sir need to reread my first post.

DP13

pjbounce wrote:

I'm calling troll.

You stated on 8/02/2006 that you had seen 51 shows.
On 08/04/2007 it was 25+, which could mean 51.
But, on 11/13/2007, you said you had seen 100+ shows. That would mean almost every show from that date forward, even though as you say 97 was the peak for you.

Secondly, you state you have never been closer than the 12th row, and your number is 111,xxx. Anyone that watched that information on touring fans the last few tours knows that your number would get you closer than the 12th row most nights. It would definitely get you closer than the 12th row when(as you say you were) you were the first one in your block in 2003.

Finally, there were many GA shows after 8/4/2007, you could have been in the front row for all of those. Even if you didn't want to be in front for the GA shows, when you went to the shows in Australia (which you would have had to do according to your posts), your number would have definitely been before the 12th row.

You sure spent some time on this one bounce... who are you really?

I didn't feel like going through and counting again but I think I have been to 54 shows.

I have never been to Australia.

I have been 2nd row several times, and in the front 10 rows maybe 10 times..?? Much of my best seats were during the VFC shows.

Not sure how this makes me a troll.

DP13

SDHSClassof82 wrote:

Note to Self-

Prep for PJ tour:

1. Buy 10c tickets (if I'm lucky)
2. Buy Plane tickets
3. Book hotel and car rental
4. Email PJ friends near cities with shows
5. Donate merch to meet-up fundraisers
6. Liposuction
7. Buy turbo wrinkle cream and/or face lift
8. Tanning salon
9. Practice witty banter for chatting with arrogant young male *fans*.

Again, not sure how so many of you fuckers think I have a problem with these people because they are fat.

If a group of people were a bunch of weird losers and many of them also happened to be at least 100 lbs overweight, I am supposed to leave weight out of it? If they all had mohawks, or were indian, or had green hair, or were in wheel chairs would you not be able to use that when describing them.... ????

krobbinz

a8l wrote:

Again, not sure how so many of you fuckers think I have a problem with these people because they are fat.

If a group of people were a bunch of weird losers and many of them also happened to be at least 100 lbs overweight, I am supposed to leave weight out of it? If they all had mohawks, or were indian, or had green hair, or were in wheel chairs would you not be able to use that when describing them.... ????

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–noun

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Vedd Hedd

The only thing I agree with is closers.

Smellyman2

a8l wrote:

Things I would like to see for the '08 tour:

1. A more varied setlist OR a tighter show.

2. Turn Mike up!

3. Less whales in the front rows.

4. Close the damn show with Alive, Porch or Betterman/SIFL.

5. An invisible itch powder on the tour posters.

6. Shorter shows. Yep, I said it...

1. They ARE varied AND tight

2. Turn them all up. I have rarely not been able to hear Mike

3. Whales? They are like my 3rd favorite sea mammal. (behind seals and otters)

4. close w/ whatever

5. collecting is for old ladies.

6. No way

wolfbear

nowayimfaithfull wrote:

Well this whole thread descibes why this board has changed. I for one do not realize why you guys go to these shows if you agree with the op. It would be a waste of time. Its only a rock band, if you really do not enjoy these shows to the extreme, why spend thousands traveling, why go to more than 1 show, pearl jam 2010, why would you fly all over the country namely hawaii, if you think they band is not tight, they do not vary their sets, and they make too many mistakes. It would seem like the appetite for a letdown.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but to call people whales, and than try to apologize for it by saying the less intelligent person.
Why do peoples weight, and intelligane become an issue when they follow a rock baand, It is not rocket science or fashion modeling. Its an avenue to enjoy yourself. Thats it, I find it unrealistic that someone would go to a show, spend time on their measage board trying to change peoples views, or the bands traditions, it basically the same as you ripping Ed for his political persuavsiveness. People mention setlist variation,and than support closong with alive,porch,or betterman, whats the differance, they play those songs every night also.
I read this whole thread, and I honestly dont get why half of you guys waste your time.
sorry, maybee Im just an old fat whale, who has deaf ears, and blind eyes. I also never sit in the first 5 rows. Its about the music, and meeting fans alike.

Great post. I didn't understand this thread from the beginning-why go if it's so miserable for you? But I'm glad I read this. Thanks.

Vedderlution_Baby

You know what I would like to see of the '08 tour?

Pearl Jam.

wolfbear

Vedderlution_Baby! wrote:

You know what I would like to see of the '08 tour?

Pearl Jam.

Exactly!